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April 12, 2006

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[01:08:17] <alect> cmlenz: this is me commencing my daily workflow review hustle
[01:08:34] <cmlenz> heh
[01:08:45] <alect> :)
[01:08:55] <alect> i've changed the fields into objects
[01:09:11] <alect> do you know of a way to easily extract object attributes when using __slots__?
[01:09:22] <cmlenz> cool
[01:09:37] <cmlenz> "extract object attributes"?
[01:09:47] <alect> as in, dynamically
[01:10:02] <alect> eg. for k, v in self.__dict__.iteritems()...
[01:10:19] <alect> but when using slots __dict__ is not defined
[01:10:29] <alect> np if not, i'll just ditch slots
[01:10:41] <cmlenz> yeah, I'd ditch them
[01:10:48] <cmlenz> I think the only option is dir(self)
[01:11:00] <cmlenz> but still, ditch them... makes inheritance troublesome
[01:11:02] <alect> mmm, hassle
[01:11:11] <alect> yeah
[01:11:48] <cmlenz> multiple inheritance, that is
[01:12:16] <bdash> slots are only useful if per-instance dictionary overhead is excessive :)
[01:13:02] <alect> yeah
[01:13:11] <cmlenz> as in, tons of small objects
[01:14:21] <alect> heh "don't
[01:14:21] <alect> use __slots__. If you think you need __slots__, still don't use
[01:14:21] <alect> __slots__."
[01:15:21] <alect> re. the query module, there are quite a few issues with custom ticket field types
[01:15:56] <alect> the interface to each type is hard coded in the template
[01:16:12] <alect> and there is a lot of hard coded magic in the query module itself
[01:16:39] <alect> what are the future plans for the module?
[01:17:06] <alect> if it's staying in the current form, i'll start modifying it to use generic field types
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[01:41:35] <cmlenz> alect: why would it change from the current form?
[01:41:46] <cmlenz> if it needs changes for workflow, so be it
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[01:59:21] <alect> well, i recall it is supposed to replace the report module completely, that's what i was referring to really
[02:00:08] <cmlenz> erm
[02:00:18] <cmlenz> it's the other way around, really
[02:00:25] <cmlenz> the report module must DIE :-P
[02:11:37] <cmlenz> so yeah, the query module is going to replace the report module at some point, but it still needs some features that make it a suitable replacement
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[02:41:57] <alect> okay, good, that was my understanding. but in the interim, i'll just go ahead and update it
[02:43:34] <alect> it's quite stunning how few people actually read and follow installation instructions
[02:52:13] <cmlenz> hehe
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[03:21:15] <alect> that smells like a lot of effort, scratch that question
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[03:34:05] <mitsuhiko> matt_good: ping :)
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[03:34:31] <ranq> alect: well, most of the time reading instructions is waste of time
[03:35:23] <ranq> it it *should* be unnecessary to read them anyway
[03:35:52] <alect> that's pretty optimistic
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[06:42:38] <hobu> does anyone have a buildbot plugin for trac for something like taking in the master page <http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/all/> and displaying build results? Would it be possible?
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[06:48:21] <exarkun> hobu: Are you interesting in working on such a thing? :)
[06:48:29] <exarkun> s/int/ed/
[06:48:30] <exarkun> arg
[06:48:42] <hobu> possibly. Was wondering if anyone else has already started something
[06:49:27] <hobu> I only wrote my first plugin yesterday though ;)
[06:49:55] <exarkun> The buildbot author is interested in doing something like this, but he is rather overloaded
[06:52:00] <exarkun> You might want to join the mailing list and make some noise, or find him on IRC (nick is warner)
[06:53:17] <hobu> will do
[06:54:32] <idnar> there is also Bitten
[06:55:52] * hobu is thoroughly committed to buildbot at this point
[06:56:21] <idnar> ederesting. heh.
[06:56:41] <hobu> but integration between trac and the build system is a must have IMO
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[06:57:21] <zacwhite> who wants to help a newb :)
[06:57:35] <zacwhite> I'm one of those people that joins #trac to just ask a question
[07:00:24] <zacwhite> http://trac.audipad.com/index.fcgi
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[07:00:37] <zacwhite> I missed something along the way, and I can't figure it out
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[07:29:15] <alect> hey matt
[07:33:58] <alect> ah well
[07:34:05] <alect> 300 tickets on trachacks
[07:34:09] <alect> it's like...a birthday or something
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[07:39:12] <GURT> does trac have the ability to allow users to retrieve their passwords?
[07:41:05] <alect> no
[07:45:21] <GURT> why not?
[07:47:00] <idnar> trac doesn't handle authentication directly, and .htpasswd files only contain the password hash, so the cleartext password isn't readily available
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[07:47:42] <GURT> thanks for the info
[07:47:51] <idnar> that's my guess, anyway ;)
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[08:08:40] <alect> SYN
[08:11:06] <matt_good> ACK
[08:11:27] <alect> :)
[08:13:38] <alect> coderangeR: new toc plugin works nicely
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[08:29:42] <cmlenz> hey matt_good
[08:30:58] <cmlenz> what's up with that moving the report-related DB stuff you added in [2941] to the report module?
[08:31:13] <cmlenz> just noticed it in a totally unrelated traceback, which reminded me
[08:31:16] <cmlenz> :-)
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[08:41:49] <matt_good> cmlenz: oh, right I forgot about that
[08:43:51] <matt_good> I'll try to do that this evening
[08:46:59] <cmlenz> cool
[08:50:03] <dilinger> blah
[08:50:14] <alect> nicely put
[08:50:18] <dilinger> :)
[08:50:20] <cmlenz> hey dilinger
[08:50:22] <dilinger> hello
[08:50:46] <dilinger> do we have any timeline for 0.10, as far as hard date for features?
[08:50:52] <cmlenz> still interested in commit access for trac... after all the delay? :-P
[08:50:55] <dilinger> or can i put of trac stuff for another week?
[08:50:59] <dilinger> cmlenz: sure
[08:51:20] * dilinger is swamped w/ work atm
[08:51:23] <cmlenz> cool, I'll try to set you up with an account tomorrow
[08:51:47] <cmlenz> 0.10 timeline: april would be nice... but increasingly unrealistic
[08:51:54] <alect> heh
[08:52:19] <dilinger> on the TODO list, it's just mysql support and spam filtering, right?
[08:52:34] <cmlenz> yeah... well *hooks* for spam filtering, not spam filtering itself
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[08:52:39] <cmlenz> which would go in a plugin
[08:52:42] <dilinger> *nod*
[08:52:55] <dilinger> how's that looking?
[08:53:31] <cmlenz> talked about it yesterday with alect... I think we're going to backport the ITicketManipulator from workflow, and add an equivalent for wiki pages
[08:53:57] <cmlenz> not a huge undertaking, but need to get the API right
[08:54:13] <dilinger> right
[08:54:29] <dilinger> alright, gotta run. later!
[08:56:19] <exarkun> is 0.10 going to have an extension point for observing ticket changes?
[08:57:31] <alect> probably this: http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/browser/sandbox/workflow/trac/ticket/api.py#L60
[08:57:58] <alect> specifically the validate_ticket() method
[08:58:34] <exarkun> Hm
[08:58:35] <exarkun> Cool
[08:58:54] <exarkun> I can't quite tell what validate_ticket should do from the docstring though. In particular, what if there are no problems with the ticket?
[08:59:08] <alect> then the returned list is empty
[08:59:15] <exarkun> Ah
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[09:11:01] <cmlenz> there should probably still be a model-level ITicketChangeListener extension point
[09:13:23] <exarkun> right now I have my own observer extension point and one plugin which abuses it to reject changes (by raising an exception, preventing the transaction from being committed) and another which is actually just a listener
[09:13:35] <exarkun> they run in a random order though which is really lame
[09:14:06] <exarkun> it'd definitely be nice to have an interface for reject-the-change and a separate one for something-happened (but you cannot stop it)
[09:14:57] <cmlenz> exactly
[09:17:25] <tavancini> where i can add a menu item on trac?
[09:17:36] <tavancini> is there a way to do this?
[09:18:11] <pacopablo> write a plugin that implement INavigationProvider
[09:18:33] <pacopablo> er, INavigationContributor
[09:19:45] <matt_good> cmlenz: any ideas how to deal with SQLite2 not supporting "ESCAPE" ?
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[09:27:09] <alect> tavancini: TracNavPluginhttp://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracTabPlugin
[09:27:21] <alect> err, -TracNavPlugin
[09:27:25] <alect> might do what you want
[09:27:38] <tavancini> thanks!!
[09:29:05] <alect> cmlenz: want me to whip up a patch for that?
[09:30:06] <cmlenz> matt_good: add a db.escape() hack? :-P
[09:30:11] <cmlenz> alect: sure thing ;-)
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[09:43:13] <tavancini> how i can enable the tractab plugin??
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[09:43:48] <pacopablo> tractab.* = enabled in the [compenents] section of trac.ini
[09:43:51] * pacopablo guesses
[09:45:15] <tavancini> strange..threre is no difference for the interface
[09:45:35] <pacopablo> @logging
[09:45:35] <evil_twin> pacopablo: "logging" is http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracLogging <-- Enable debug logging to file, ensure your environments log/ directory is writeable by your web server user, check for errors.
[09:45:45] <pacopablo> make sure you have your log turn up to debug
[09:45:53] <pacopablo> and then check to see if the plugin is being loaded
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[09:48:49] <tavancini> cool! it worked
[09:49:36] <coderanger_> alect: Is Toc behaving now?
[09:49:45] <alect> sure is
[09:49:48] <alect> :)
[09:52:49] <galis> humm, prblem with trac wikiformatting
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[09:53:14] <galis> ?
[09:53:22] <coderanger_> excellent
[09:53:27] <pacopablo> galis: ??
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[10:24:19] <alect> cmlenz: what about enum/component change listeners?
[10:24:30] <alect> and milestone
[10:24:44] <alect> and version
[10:27:39] <cmlenz> don't think we need that quite as urgently yet
[10:28:03] <cmlenz> sorry, gotta go again
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[10:57:49] <alect> what is the answer to life, the universe and everything?
[10:57:58] <pacopablo> 42
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[10:58:36] <_42> Indeed
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[11:00:43] <matt_good> alect: yes, but what is the question?
[11:01:06] <pacopablo> that's what earth is for :)
[11:01:31] <alect> well, i'd need to build another computer to find the question
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[11:53:06] <alect> paco: blog! http://trac-hacks.org
[11:53:34] <pacopablo> w00t!
[11:53:47] <alect> be good if that <hr> wasn't there
[11:53:54] <pacopablo> ooh nice!
[11:54:01] <pacopablo> I'll make that an option
[11:54:23] <alect> can you mark the last one and not display it? that would be ideal
[11:54:44] <pacopablo> picky, picky :)
[11:54:44] <alect> ie. only display <hr> if it separates two blog posts, not at the end
[11:54:46] <alect> heh
[11:54:47] <pacopablo> yeah, I can do that
[11:55:03] <pacopablo> do you think I should also make it optional inbetween posts?
[11:55:06] <alect> cool
[11:55:29] <alect> probably not necessary, it can be styled out of people don't like it
[11:56:15] <alect> much like i just did :)
[11:59:17] <pacopablo> hehe
[12:01:04] <alect> very nice
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[12:02:13] <alect> is it possible to display X number of posts?
[12:02:16] <alect> rather than by time?
[12:02:29] <alect> or in addition to
[12:02:34] <pacopablo> what do you mean?
[12:02:53] <pacopablo> ahh, I see what you're saying
[12:02:58] <pacopablo> um, not right now
[12:03:03] <pacopablo> let me think about that
[12:03:17] <pacopablo> rather, let me think about the best way to add that
[12:04:27] <pacopablo> ugh, is there a way to tell whether or not teh value one is currently operating on is the last iteration of a loop?
[12:05:15] <alect> use enumerate(): for i, value in enumerate(foo): if len(foo) -1 == i: ...
[12:05:31] <pacopablo> good thinking
[12:06:30] <alect> that looks quite cool i think
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[12:06:37] <alect> a bit of stylesheet magic, and voila
[12:07:03] <pacopablo> it does look nice :)
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[12:11:45] <pacopablo> HDFWrapper doesn't support retrieving values, from the HDF, does it?
[12:12:15] <alect> should do: hdf['foo.bar.zoo']
[12:12:18] <pacopablo> nm, don't need it too
[12:13:58] <pacopablo> for the X number of posts, should it also be bound by whatever time frame you give it?
[12:14:22] <pacopablo> probably not, since that makes crossing years hard without specifying startdate and enddate
[12:14:22] <alect> i'd like it to
[12:14:36] <alect> ah
[12:14:38] <alect> hmm
[12:14:53] <coderanger_> alect: Isn't it 4AM over there?
[12:14:56] <alect> i'd be happy with just "show X posts"
[12:14:59] <alect> 5am
[12:15:00] <pacopablo> so if you say 5 posts, and also say month of march, should it show you 5 posts, or only the 3 that are in march?
[12:15:06] <alect> i need to sleep soon
[12:15:08] <alect> badly
[12:15:26] <pacopablo> alect: in many ways, bounding it by time is easier for me, but is that desired?
[12:16:14] <alect> i'm not sure i know what you mean by bounded
[12:16:25] <pacopablo> it means that if you want to make sure you get 5 posts cross years, you'll have to specify startdate and enddate which are specified in seconds since the epoch
[12:16:48] <alect> ah
[12:17:15] <pacopablo> alect: if you only have 3 posts in march, and you specify numposts=5 and month=3, should that show you 3 posts from march and 2 from feburary, or only the 3 from march that exist
[12:17:16] <alect> perhaps they could default to 0 and "infinity" respectively, if you specify X posts
[12:17:31] <alect> i'd think 3 from march
[12:17:34] <pacopablo> hmm, that shouldn't be too hard.
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[12:18:35] <pacopablo> hmm, anyone know where the max int value is defined in python?
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[12:19:30] <matt_good> pacopablo: sys.maxint
[12:19:36] <pacopablo> matt_good: thanks
[12:20:02] <alect> http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/305
[12:20:21] <alect> heh
[12:20:24] <alect> can't please everybody :)
[12:20:56] <pacopablo> oops :)
[12:21:17] <alect> right, bed
[12:21:18] * alect waves
[12:21:30] <pacopablo> night, I'll have the changes ready when you awake :)
[12:22:03] <alect> eeeeeeeeeeeexcellent
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[13:48:48] <pacopablo> changes done alect
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[14:19:38] <zacwhite> http://trac.audipad.com/index.fcgi
[14:19:52] <zacwhite> don't spend a lot of time with it or anything, but do any of you know what those errors might point to?
[14:23:29] <matt_good> “trac.audipad.com” could not be found.
[14:23:57] <pacopablo> matt_good: I found it :)
[14:24:09] <zacwhite> hm, that is odd
[14:24:14] <pacopablo> zacwhite: looks like somethign wrong with your sqlite bindings and/or db
[14:24:23] <zacwhite> yeah
[14:24:40] <zacwhite> what kind of permissions does my trac environment have to have?
[14:25:54] <pacopablo> the web server shold have rw perms on the trac environment
[14:26:56] <zacwhite> well, I think I did that... I just chmod -R 777 tracenviron :)
[14:27:14] <zacwhite> I'm on a shared host and couldn't chown it to the apache user
[14:27:37] <zacwhite> yeah, I have some installation problems of something
[14:27:54] <zacwhite> ~/lib/python2.3/site-packages/libsvn doesn't exist
[14:28:26] <zacwhite> is that SWIG that installs that?
[14:28:30] <pacopablo> yes
[14:28:38] <pacopablo> well, it's the swig bindings
[14:28:52] <pacopablo> they're found in the subversion code
[14:28:55] <pacopablo> bbiab
[14:29:01] <zacwhite> ah, ok
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[14:53:41] <benny`laptop> hi! is it possible to install trac on sourceforge?
[14:57:28] <zacwhite> Indexing repository
[14:57:29] <zacwhite> Segmentation fault
[14:57:31] <zacwhite> awesome
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[16:16:21] <pacopablo> hmm, I'm getting the dreaded UnicodeDecodeError
[16:16:41] <pacopablo> cmlenz: you around?
[16:17:17] <cmlenz> technically yes, otherwise, not so much :-P almost off to bed
[16:17:27] <pacopablo> what's the general solution?
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