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May 10, 2006

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[01:24:05] <alect> hi
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[05:22:12] <dc2447> Hi - I am using trac for a new project - we are using a sub directory of the subversion repository as shown in the faq but since enabling the change - 'browse source' in trac is incredibly slow - even with Mod_python - is this a know issue?
[05:28:32] <_Jens> dc2447: using this feature for some months now, and don�t have such experience. I�m using trac on lighttpd over the fastcgi interface ....
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[05:40:07] <davux> hi :)
[05:42:39] <dc2447> The problem only started when we moved to a sub directory in svn - befopre that is was fast
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[08:31:41] <pacopablo> morning all
[08:32:29] <bwmcadams> hey
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[09:39:33] <Float> When I try to 'sudo trac-admin /var/lib/trac/Projects initenv' I get the error message 'Failed to create environment. ERROR: relation "system" already exists'
[09:39:55] <Float> I already have run that command with a different projectname
[09:40:19] <Float> I thought I wouldn't have a problem setting up multiple projects in one trac path? Any suggestions?
[09:41:49] <Float> I only need to have one database "trac", correct?
[09:42:00] <Float> I don't need a seperate database for each trac project
[09:54:34] <pacopablo> separate database for each project
[09:54:40] <pacopablo> trac only handles one project at a time
[09:54:50] <pacopablo> so you need spearate environments for each
[09:55:07] <pacopablo> multi-project support won't be added until after 1.0 is released
[09:55:18] <pacopablo> and no, there is no timeline for that
[09:55:50] <pacopablo> if you're using postgresql and don't want to create a separate database for each trac environment, then you can upgrade to trunk and use schemas
[09:56:03] <pacopablo> but you still need to have a different schema and different environment for each project
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[10:02:12] <Float> ah, so if I did just have different databases, such as trac-project1 trac-project2 it would work fine?
[10:02:54] <pacopablo> and different environments
[10:03:20] <pacopablo> so trac-project1/ and trac-project2/
[10:03:33] <pacopablo> you can't have multiple databases in a single trac environment
[10:03:46] <pacopablo> as there is no way for it to know to use more than one
[10:06:09] <Float> yep, that makes sense
[10:06:25] <Float> so for each project, it needs its own trac environment AS WELL AS its own database
[10:07:03] <pacopablo> yes
[10:07:19] <pacopablo> if you're using sqlite, then said database is located in the trac environment
[10:07:29] <Float> I'm using postgres
[10:07:59] <Float> Is there a proper way to remove a trac environment? or can i just rm -rf /var/lib/trac/projectname ?
[10:08:08] <pacopablo> that's the proper way
[10:08:12] <Float> ok cool
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[10:30:37] <Float> When I view the trac on the web, "Available Projects" should show all of the environments I setup with trac-admin initenv right?
[10:32:42] <boorad> Float: yes, b/c it does a search on the directories that house your Trac envs
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[10:33:31] <boorad> Float: beware of connection leaks if you have a lot of PG trac env's. I have a lot of Trac envs in separate PG databases and can't seem to track down why I am not returning all connections to the pool. Just something to watch for
[10:34:00] <boorad> hopefully it's something I did to the code and it won't happen to you
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[10:40:45] <pacopablo> ugh, today is shaping up to be a really crappy day :(
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[10:42:58] <Float> okay, thanks for the advice
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[10:55:04] <Float> hmm.. I'm still getting confused with how trac overall is supposed to be setup
[10:55:21] <Float> I setup my environment for my four projects all to be in their own folders in /var/lib/trac/
[10:56:13] <Float> but at the beginning of following the docs, I used webapp-config and it setup htdocs in /var/www/trac.myDomain.com/htdocs/projectName/trac
[10:57:06] <Float> I'm confused to how it all connects together, and what the proper directory structure should be to setup the trac project webpages
[10:57:32] <Float> I wanted to be able to access them via trac.myDomain.com/Project1 trac.myDomain.com/Project2 trac.myDomain.com/Project3 .. etc
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[11:26:00] <pacopablo> you don't really need to use webapp-config with trac
[11:26:18] <Float> okay good... i didnt think so
[11:26:25] <pacopablo> setting up the project environments in /var/lib/trac is fine
[11:26:41] <pacopablo> now you just have to configure apache.
[11:26:46] <Float> could I just have /var/www/trac.mydomain.com/htdocs/ ... and have 4 symlinks to my 4 different projects?
[11:27:13] <Float> I thought it was good practice to have all your different web domains all start in /var/www/
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[11:37:44] <pacopablo> doesn't matter where you put your trac environments
[11:37:55] <pacopablo> just don't put them in the DocumentRoot
[11:37:59] <pacopablo> ie, htdocs
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[12:57:20] <sam`> anybody around?
[12:58:01] <sam`> i set up trac with mod_fcgid on a debian sid server, worked great
[12:58:17] <sam`> now i'm trying to do the same with a debian sarge server, but the DefaultInitEnv directive does not seem to take effect
[12:58:35] <sam`> trac (from svn trunk on both boxes) still complains about The environment options "TRAC_ENV" or "TRAC_ENV_PARENT_DIR" or the mod_python options "TracEnv" or "TracEnvParentDir" are missing.
[12:59:00] <sam`> any idea what may be wrong?
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[13:07:41] <eh> hi. I want to create and submit a patch which adds a config option to the mail notifier. Where/how are the current default options declared?
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[13:17:40] <eh> asking questions always helps
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[14:06:26] <pacopablo> eh: they are specified in trac.ini, no?
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[14:06:51] <pacopablo> self.env.config.get('notification', 'key', default_val)
[14:06:54] <jtoy> is there a wa yt o have permissions to set what tickets can be seen by what userse?
[14:07:05] <pacopablo> not really
[14:07:20] <pacopablo> there is a security sandbaox in subversion that should allow you to do that
[14:07:32] <pacopablo> but it's not been merged into trunk yet
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[14:08:56] <jtoy> pacopablo: we are still trying to figure out how to seperate projects, we have some trac/svn instances with several projects inside and then some trac//svn instances with just one project
[14:10:44] <pacopablo> ok
[14:13:05] <eh> pacopablo: but, that won't specify a default, will it? I was searching where the options get created so that there is a default to be plugged in and the option will be included in default generated conf files.
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[14:14:13] <pacopablo> you mean what will be in trac.ini by default when an environment is created?
[14:15:07] <eh> pacopablo: yes.
[14:15:13] <pacopablo> db_default.py
[14:15:17] <pacopablo> I believe
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[14:15:35] <eh> pacopablo: right. as far as the db goes, but there's also trac.ini.
[14:15:53] <pacopablo> I thought that that held the trac.ini defaults too
[14:16:00] <eh> which doesn't come from db_default.py, but seems to be generated from setup.py.
[14:16:19] <eh> sorry, admin.py create.
[14:17:23] <pacopablo> you're right, the trac.ini settings aren't in db_default.py
[14:18:24] <pacopablo> ahh, it was in db_default in 0.8.x
[14:18:36] <pacopablo> but that's a bit old now :)
[14:18:44] <eh> could someone kill sven koehler from the trac-dev list? He's got an autoreply set on mails to the list...
[14:18:53] <pacopablo> hehe
[14:19:08] <eh> (sorry, but I can't care less he's away)
[14:19:20] <pacopablo> I'm not noticing those autoreply-mails
[14:19:28] <pacopablo> when were they sent?
[14:20:43] <pacopablo> hmm, I should probably piggy back your notifcation patch
[14:20:47] <eh> no, it's a personal response.
[14:20:54] <pacopablo> ahh
[14:21:25] <pacopablo> I've got a patch that allows one to specify what is put on the subject line tag
[14:21:35] <pacopablo> so that it need not be the project name
[14:21:46] <eh> that's nice too :-)
[14:21:54] <pacopablo> I should adjust it such that if it's blank nothing gets added
[14:23:06] <pacopablo> if you create a ticket for that, let me know the number
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[14:24:18] <eh> pacopablo: well, if you already have your patch, there's hardly a reason for me to file a patch issue, is there?
[14:24:54] <pacopablo> well, I haven't submitted my patch
[14:25:00] <pacopablo> but I guess I probaly should :)
[14:25:09] <eh> ah. heh. ok. I see I'm requested to file it anyway.
[14:26:02] <pacopablo> if you want, I'll file a bug
[14:26:13] <pacopablo> with my patch and I'll reference your post
[14:26:34] <eh> pacopablo: filing one now. You can add in a minute.
[14:27:20] <pacopablo> k
[14:28:58] <eh> filed as 3136
[14:29:01] <pacopablo> great
[14:29:09] <pacopablo> I'll try to attach my patch soon
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[14:55:19] <boorad> cmlenz: I just got a mail from trac@lists.edgewall.com
[14:55:38] <boorad> looks like spam, but wanted to let you know
[14:56:33] <boorad> cmlenz: http://trac.pastebin.com/710361 - and with a document.zip attachment
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[15:22:37] <Arc> does anyone know how i can nix or edit the wikibar?
[15:22:48] <Arc> or move it to the bottom of pages instead of the top?
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[15:23:19] <misc> turn your screen upside down ?
[15:23:42] <Arc> the "Start Page | Title Index | Recent Changes | Page History
[15:23:50] <Arc> misc: im being serious.
[15:26:49] <pacopablo> Arc: I think he is too
[15:27:02] <pacopablo> you'll have to edit the wiki.cs template
[15:27:39] <pacopablo> boorad: are you sure it came from trac@lists.edgewall.com?
[15:27:47] <pacopablo> looks like it's probably forged
[15:28:15] <boorad> pacopablo: headers said it was not from the same IP address as lists.edgewall.com, so forged - you got one too?
[15:28:20] <Arc> pacopablo: i've tried, my edits didnt seem to have any effect
[15:28:23] <boorad> maybe they crawled gmane
[15:28:38] <pacopablo> boorad: no I didn't, but I'm no stranger to forged mail
[15:28:47] <pacopablo> boorad: I very often get mail from myself :)
[15:28:58] <pacopablo> Arc: then you're doing something wrong :)
[15:29:14] <pacopablo> Arc: how and where are you editing the wiki.cs ?
[15:29:46] <pacopablo> boorad: what really needs to happen is for edgewall to setup SPF records and for your server to respect them.
[15:30:10] <boorad> true - I know I haven't done that on my server yet :)
[15:31:08] <Arc> pacopablo: i was editing the main one.
[15:31:23] <Arc> i wanted only local site edits but i couldnt figure out how
[15:31:40] <pacopablo> did you clear your browser cache?
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[15:32:22] <Arc> i held down shift and hit enter AFTER restarting apache
[15:32:40] <pacopablo> well, that should do it :)
[15:32:52] <pacopablo> paste your changes to pastebin
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[17:58:14] <alect> morning
[18:05:13] <pacopablo> morning
[18:05:28] <pacopablo> I'm thinking about installing the security branch tomorrow
[18:13:36] <pacopablo> hmm, I need a value that will differentiate between "don't display anything" and "display the default value"
[18:13:52] <pacopablo> all the while displaying the specified value if present
[18:13:59] <pacopablo> from trac.ini that is
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[18:14:52] <coderanger> Maybe have '*' mean nothing?
[18:15:33] <pacopablo> possibly
[18:15:47] <pacopablo> though * seems kind of counter-intuitive
[18:15:55] <pacopablo> simce * generally means everything
[18:16:10] <vmx> pacopablo: sorry about being so unprecisely yesterday (or the day before). i asked if i could set up trac without root access.
[18:16:31] <pacopablo> vmx: right, did my answers help?
[18:16:47] <alect> do it!
[18:16:56] <pacopablo> python setup.py install --prefix=/path/that/I/can/write/to
[18:16:56] <alect> you can make some cool plugins for it
[18:17:07] <pacopablo> alect: you know it :)
[18:17:18] <vmx> not really :) my problem is the http authentication. in the docs it uses "<location>" but i have only access to a htaccess file
[18:17:22] <pacopablo> actually, I think I'm goign to have a serious need for it soon
[18:17:30] <pacopablo> vmx: that's fine
[18:17:43] <pacopablo> you can put <location> in an htacess file too
[18:18:17] <pacopablo> vmx: just pretend like your htaccess file is the main apache config
[18:18:19] <vmx> no, it's restricted to vhost files
[18:18:39] <pacopablo> huh? <Location > isn't restricted to a vhost
[18:18:39] <vmx> at least i thought so, i'll take a look
[18:19:25] <vmx> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/core.html#location
[18:19:30] <pacopablo> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#location
[18:19:45] <pacopablo> server config, virtual host
[18:20:00] <pacopablo> hmm, guess it doesn't specify .htaccess files
[18:20:09] <vmx> yes, but no htaccess
[18:20:47] <pacopablo> well, then don't use location :)
[18:21:51] <alect> what's your use case paco?
[18:22:12] <vmx> i tried <Files>, but it doesn't work (i'll try it again to give a better description of "not working")
[18:22:45] <pacopablo> being able to have shared wiki pages with custom modifications that are only viewable to given sets of people
[18:23:04] <pacopablo> I'm thinking of using WikiInclude
[18:23:11] <alect> mkay
[18:23:26] <pacopablo> such that the main file is accessible to all, and the custom ones WikiInlude the main and then add their modifications
[18:23:27] <alect> that reminds me...i should add add a 'macro' resource
[18:23:31] <alect> so you can block access to resources
[18:23:36] <pacopablo> hehe :)
[18:23:44] <alect> block access to macros rather
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[18:24:10] <alect> when do you find out about your soc submission?
[18:24:44] <pacopablo> may 23 is when they post the finalists
[18:24:52] <pacopablo> coderanger: did you get your submission in?
[18:27:50] <vmx> pacopablo: i tried it with .htaccess, but get " Trac detected an internal error:
[18:27:50] <vmx> Authentication information not available.
[18:27:50] <vmx> "
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[18:30:12] <vmx> i also tried the "account manager plugin", but i can't get this work (but i don't know what's the problem there. i just see no login link if i activate the plugin)
[18:33:49] <pacopablo> paste the contents of your .htaccess file to pastebin
[18:33:52] <pacopablo> @pastebin
[18:33:52] <evil_twin> pacopablo: "pastebin" is http://trac.pastebin.com
[18:36:53] <vmx> http://trac.pastebin.com/710632
[18:40:21] <vmx> http://trac.pastebin.com/710634
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[18:42:10] <pacopablo> and that doesn't work?
[18:42:32] <pacopablo> is that setup for the /login link?
[18:42:42] <pacopablo> I guess that's what you're working on, no?
[18:43:18] <vmx> yes i try to add that atm. my first try to put it in the htdocs root
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[18:57:16] <vmx> no success :(
[18:58:07] <vmx> what happens if you don't put it in <location "/trac"> but <location "/">. will it still work if you enter the right username/password?
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[19:22:25] <vmx> if i copied plugins in "mytracenv/plugins", i would see them on the "about/plugins" page, right?
[19:24:52] <coderanger_> If they are loading, yes
[19:25:35] <vmx> hm, then they don't load
[19:26:39] <coderanger_> Anything in the log?
[19:29:15] <vmx> logs where disabled, i just enables them, stay tuned ;)
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[19:53:15] <vmx> do the plugins also need the easy_install executable? or just setuptools in the pythonlib path?
[19:53:27] <vmx> i ask as i get "WARNING: setuptools is required for plugin deployment"
[19:53:38] <vmx> although i've just installed setuptools
[19:54:10] <pacopablo> what version?
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[19:55:00] <vmx> the current one setuptools-0.6a11-py2.4
[19:55:09] <vmx> and yes, i have python 2.4
[19:56:46] <vmx> can trac automaticly display my env varaibles (like path or trac_env)?
[19:57:12] <coderanger_> Not really
[20:01:50] <vmx> or are there any special permissions for setuptooles needed?
[20:01:55] <vmx> e.g. +x?
[20:02:18] <coderanger_> You need the python library, not the script
[20:02:39] <coderanger_> I take it you didn't install it into the standard site-packages?
[20:02:45] <vmx> ok, the library is also there
[20:03:03] <vmx> no i installed it with "--prefix=~/misc"
[20:03:20] <vmx> just like trac
[20:03:24] <coderanger_> What frontend are you using?
[20:04:24] <vmx> frontend for installing? do you mean command line?
[20:04:53] <coderanger_> CGI/FCGI/mod_python/tracd
[20:05:16] <vmx> ah ok. cgi
[20:05:42] <vmx> i also set some paths in my trac.cgi
[20:05:48] <coderanger_> Hmm, how are you altering the python path?
[20:06:28] <vmx> sys.path.append('/home/vmische/misc/lib/python2.4/site-packages')
[20:08:58] <coderanger_> I would throw an "import setuptools" after that
[20:09:02] <coderanger_> and see what it says
[20:09:57] <vmx> i just had the same idea ;)
[20:10:33] <vmx> hm "No module named setuptools", but trac was found
[20:11:00] <vmx> (i wrote a small minimal exampel script to test it)
[20:11:01] <coderanger_> If I had to guess, I would say .pth file sillyness
[20:12:05] <vmx> yes perhaps, i'm on the way on check that. could i just symlink to setuptools to test it meanwhile?
[20:13:19] <vmx> strike! No module named pkg_resources
[20:16:51] <vmx> now i only need to find out what the problem with pkg_resources is (whatever it is)
[20:17:00] <coderanger_> It is part of setuptools
[20:19:20] <vmx> so it shouldn't fail
[20:20:34] <vmx> ah ok, i think i found the problem
[20:23:57] <vmx> heureka! the gantt plugin shows up. i hope i'll get the account manager plugin work (could be a egg_cache problem)
[20:26:05] <vmx> i could also try your authformplugin. i just need to get around the standard login
[20:28:35] <coderanger_> authform still needs HTTP auth
[20:30:12] <vmx> yes, but perhaps you can also get it work with htaccess (but it doesn't look like that)
[20:30:36] <coderanger_> No, that would be AccountManager
[20:31:32] <coderanger_> AuthForm just acts as an intermediary for HTTP auth, so as to allow for logout
[20:32:18] <vmx> ic
[20:33:44] <vmx> it works :)
[20:33:54] <vmx> trac works, i can't believe it
[20:34:27] <vmx> i hope i'll get some time in the summer to write everything i did down.
[20:34:44] <vmx> it was quite some work
[20:34:54] <vmx> thanks a lot coderanger and pacopablo!
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[20:45:31] <pacopablo> glad you got it working
[20:47:29] <vmx> wow, disabling registration works with "acct_mgr.web_ui.RegistrationModule = disabled" in trac.ini
[20:56:50] <alect> mm
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[21:02:10] <vmx> there was a plugin for time management (a bit like the gantt plugin). you could set starting, and end time, etc. of a ticket. i can't find it anymore. doesn anyone know what plugin i mean?
[21:02:38] <coderanger_> The time-tracking patch?
[21:02:56] <coderanger_> http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TimeTracking
[21:04:00] <vmx> yes, thanks
[21:04:36] <coderanger_> It might not apply to 0.9.5 though
[21:05:58] <vmx> hm, it's true. perhaps the gantt plugin is enough advanced, although this patch looks quite nice
[21:07:14] <coderanger_> Try it and report back ;-)
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[21:28:38] <coderanger_> Why do I get the feeling that the user "jtoy" was someone I know ....
[21:28:54] <vmx> time to get some sleep, bye and thnaks again
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