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May 11, 2006

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[00:54:06] <gluegadget> !ticket 2691
[00:54:07] <TTBot> Status:
[00:54:36] <gluegadget> !changeset 3285
[00:54:38] <TTBot> Timestamp: | Author:
[00:54:38] <TTBot> Message:
[00:55:10] <gluegadget> !roadmap 0.9.6
[00:55:11] <TTBot> Complete: % | Active: | Closed:
[00:55:35] <gluegadget> pfff, you guys changed HTML too
[00:55:42] <gluegadget> ?
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[01:59:25] <otaku42> anyone from trac-hacks.org online?
[01:59:45] <alect> maybe, who wants to know? :P
[02:00:42] <otaku42> alect: someone who is about to ask a question on how one of the features on trac-hack.org's WikiStart page is done ;)
[02:01:02] <alect> heh
[02:01:15] <alect> fire away
[02:01:41] <otaku42> alect: i wonder about how you do the tag-based grouping of pages (macro, plugin, script, ...)
[02:01:55] <otaku42> alect: is that a functionality provided by the tag plugin?
[02:02:51] <alect> yes and no... each of those pages is tagged with "type"
[02:03:10] <alect> which tells the plugin displaying the front page, to display that page
[02:03:35] <alect> source code is in the TracHacksPlugin
[02:06:21] <otaku42> alect: ah, cool, thanks. found it.
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[02:09:31] <otaku42> alect: can you say something about the performance of the tags stuff? especially the performance of the plugin that gathers the list of pages which are marked with a given tag?
[02:10:16] <alect> very quick. each (tag, page) pair is stored in a table row
[02:10:57] <alect> ticket tags are a bit slower because it has to parse the keywords column of each ticket
[02:11:19] <alect> but it optimises it as much as possible by doing a "like" in the initial select to cull out tickets that have no chance of matching
[02:11:28] <otaku42> alect: ok. and the "gathering" plugin allows to specify a list of tags (not just one) that pages must have to be considered for the list?
[02:12:16] <alect> well, you could yeah, but it only uses "type" for my purposes
[02:12:28] <alect> http://trac-hacks.org/browser/trachacksplugin/0.10/trachacks/trachacks.py#L31
[02:12:34] <alect> that's the line that finds the pages
[02:12:52] <alect> could easily be extended to use multiple tags
[02:13:08] <otaku42> alect: seems like my idea could work then... :)
[02:13:29] <alect> tags make all things possible! :)
[02:13:33] <alect> i must go home
[02:13:35] * alect waves
[02:13:41] <otaku42> alect: thanks for your help
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[03:21:58] <_Ou> hello
[03:22:12] <_Ou> anybody got the time for a question ?
[03:28:45] <_Ou> how do i edit the 'version' feature in the tickets
[03:34:27] <ranq_> from trac-admin
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[03:44:35] <_Ou> ranq_, thanks mate
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[04:17:44] <truls> hiya
[04:18:00] <truls> how do we cope with spambots adding spam-tickets in a trac-system?
[04:18:17] <truls> it's not possible to delete tickets in 0.8.4 afaict
[04:18:27] <truls> and i'd rather not just mark them as WONTFIX
[04:18:50] <alect> use trunk and the anti-spam plugin
[04:19:04] <truls> on a production server...?
[04:19:05] <alect> you're SOL with 0.8
[04:19:20] <alect> plenty of places run it
[04:19:23] <truls> heh
[04:19:24] <alect> edgewall.com for one
[04:20:08] <truls> that's pretty natural
[04:20:18] <truls> but I still wouldn't use trunk for a production server
[04:20:25] * alect shrugs
[04:20:59] <truls> so no way to manually delete a ticket then...
[04:21:14] <alect> sql the db
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[04:21:40] <truls> was afraid of that...
[04:21:49] <truls> would that require renumbering following tickets?
[04:22:20] <alect> only if you want to
[04:23:34] * truls just cleared all fields, then set wontfix
[04:24:03] <truls> i was stupid enough to change the ticket-description instead of clearing it, so the old ticketdescription (with spam) is still in the history though...
[04:25:56] <truls> problem mostly solved, so I'm happy for now
[04:29:27] <_Ou> is there any step to installing a plugin other than putting the egg file inside the /plugins directory ?
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[04:41:02] <ranq_> _Ou: no. if it does not work, enable logging in trac.ini and see what goes wrong
[04:41:34] <ranq_> usually it is that python egg temp folder is not set
[04:42:35] <_Ou> oh
[04:42:41] <_Ou> aright.. thanks
[04:45:55] <_Ou> ranq_, says nothing
[04:46:01] <_Ou> ranq_, any other suggestions ?
[04:46:34] <_Ou> oh.. wait
[04:46:34] <_Ou> 14:43:58 Trac[loader] WARNING: setuptools is required for plugin deployment
[04:52:09] <_Ou> still nothing...
[04:52:16] <_Ou> do i need to add permission or something to make it visible ?
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[06:14:35] <Zanton> hi
[06:15:01] <Zanton> I'm new to trac and there's something I don't understand
[06:15:22] <Zanton> I just did a commit and it appears in trac
[06:15:51] <Zanton> but in the Timeline, the changes are made by anonymous
[06:16:14] <Zanton> so what's wrong with the user name ?
[06:20:59] <_Jens> I setup the same users for trac as for the svn server, don�t know if thats the trick
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[06:22:47] <Zanton> I did the same :(
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[06:40:55] <ranq_> Zanton: you are not authenticated to svn
[06:41:00] <ranq_> it is not trac issue
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[07:23:12] <Zanton> thank you ranq_
[07:23:28] <Zanton> it indeed was a svn problem
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[07:43:11] <lamaslany> Can anyone assist me with a question about installing Trac on Windows?
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[07:58:23] <lamaslany> Can anyone assist me with a question about installing Trac on Windows? I've installed SVN; python 2.3.5; clearsilver-0.9.14 and pysqlite-2.2.2 - unfortunately I cannot figure out what to do with the sqlite3.exe!
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[08:01:18] <misc> lamaslany: this is the command line tool to access the database
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[08:03:40] <lamaslany> Thanks. So if this is not the database what is?
[08:04:34] <misc> the database is created in a file called trac.db, when you create a trac project
[08:06:02] <lamaslany> So is sqlite actually a requirement?
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[08:22:28] <coderanger_> lamaslany: If you are using the sqlite backend, yes
[08:22:42] <coderanger_> If you are using Postgres, then it is not
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[08:23:13] <lamaslany> Then I'm a little confused! :)
[08:25:16] <coderanger_> I take it you are using sqlite as your backend?
[08:42:21] <lamaslany> I assume so... Would that be something I decide during the Trac installation procedure?
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[08:43:41] <coderanger_> Yes
[08:44:25] <coderanger_> You don't actually need the sqlite3.exe binary for anything
[08:44:43] <coderanger_> pysqlite comes with the needed libraries bundled
[08:44:58] <lamaslany> That'll be why I haven't come across it then - I thought I had to 'install' sqlite as part of the pre-requsites.
[08:45:13] <lamaslany> Thanks for clarifying about sqlite3.exe
[08:45:42] <lamaslany> I assume I'd only need to use it if I wanted to modify the database directly?
[08:47:30] <coderanger_> yep
[08:47:42] <lamaslany> Well that explains why I haven't been able to find out what I'm supposed to do with it... :)
[08:47:45] <coderanger_> Which I would advise against, unless you have much SQLfoo
[08:48:16] <lamaslany> Er... dare I ask what SQLfoo is?!
[08:53:04] <coderanger_> Its refers to your overall knowledge of the many odd ways of SQL
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[08:56:42] <lamaslany> My MS, Oracle and MySQL isn't too bad but I can't imagine there would be much call to directly access the db in any case. And thanks for your help with this; you've probably saved me hours of reading!
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[10:41:15] <pacopablo> morning all
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[11:18:46] <pacopablo> w00t! security sandbox installed ;)
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[12:29:41] <lamaslany> I'm trying to set up Trac on a Windows 2003 server. I've set up SVN and installed Apache but I'm having trouble getting Apache running with the svn modules installed . The error is: The Apache service named reported the following error:
[12:29:41] <lamaslany> >>> httpd.exe: Syntax error on line 89 of E:/programs/Apache2.2/conf/httpd.conf: API module structure `dav_svn_module' in file E:/programs/Apache2.2/modules/mod_dav_svn.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an Apache module DSO? --- I'd really like to get it up and running with Apache rather than using the stand-alone Trac server...
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[12:31:41] <BaconTastesGood> what's the preferred markup language for Trac? RST or something else?
[12:31:45] <pacopablo> might be best off consulting an apache or subversion channel since that's an apache error
[12:32:05] <pacopablo> lamaslany: but it appears that your svn modules are corrupt or something
[12:32:13] <pacopablo> BaconTastesGood: Trac WikiText
[12:32:27] <pacopablo> @faq formatting
[12:32:27] <evil_twin> pacopablo: Error: No factoid matches that key.
[12:32:36] <BaconTastesGood> ok...that's what I thought, but I noticed a lot of it was in RST
[12:32:41] <BaconTastesGood> e.g. the FAQ
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[12:33:42] <pacopablo> @learn formatting as http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/WikiFormatting
[12:33:42] <evil_twin> pacopablo: The operation succeeded.
[12:34:25] <lamaslany> I thought I'd try here first in case it was familiar to someone. I think I'll try downloading the svn again too...
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[12:41:50] <pacopablo> hmm, I'm not having any love from the security branch :(
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[12:47:32] <pacopablo> coderanger_: have you tried alect's security branch?
[12:49:11] <coderanger_> I have not
[12:49:20] <coderanger_> I havent done much other than school in a few weeks
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[12:49:49] <coderanger_> But I took my last final this morning, so I can hack again :)
[12:50:03] <pacopablo> woohoo!
[12:50:52] <coderanger_> The Cisco demons lie vanquished
[12:51:00] <pacopablo> wahoo!
[12:51:12] <pacopablo> did you have a class just on cisco products?
[12:53:13] <coderanger_> Yeah, I was taking a class that covers the CCNA, and the first of the CCNP tests
[12:54:32] <pacopablo> cool
[12:54:50] <pacopablo> though I don't like cisco products much :)
[12:55:06] <pacopablo> well, at least not for the small to medium sized business
[12:56:28] <coderanger_> Yeah, but for a large infrastructure, you can't really beat them
[12:56:43] <pacopablo> agreed
[12:56:56] <pacopablo> it just so happens that I work with the small infrastructure
[12:57:15] <lamaslany> You can if you have a *really* big stick... :)
[12:58:04] <pacopablo> it's not the size that matters, it's how ... oh forget it :)
[13:00:53] <coderanger_> I am probably going to move my office to the security branch over the next few weeks
[13:01:19] <pacopablo> I was having problems with it this morning
[13:02:00] <pacopablo> but that could very well be because I was missing a step, or no understanding how the permissions are supposed to be assigned, etc.
[13:07:02] <coderanger_> I think the default policies should make it transparent
[13:09:15] <pacopablo> yes, but I couldn't get it to apply any finer grained policies
[13:09:22] <pacopablo> it almost looked as if it wasn't installed
[13:09:31] <pacopablo> the security branch, that is
[13:11:08] <coderanger_> odd
[13:11:23] <coderanger_> I haven't looked too much at the APIs for policy stuff
[13:11:28] <pacopablo> yeah, so I'm kind of waiting for alect to pop in
[13:11:44] <pacopablo> it looks simple
[13:11:44] <coderanger_> Its still pretty early over there
[13:11:51] <pacopablo> yeah, i know
[13:11:58] <pacopablo> stupid .au!
[13:12:07] <coderanger_> We should convince him to move to a better timezone
[13:12:16] <pacopablo> definitely :0
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[13:27:40] <pacopablo> what the variable that holds the name of the currently logged in user?
[13:27:44] <pacopablo> req.authname?
[13:28:19] <coderanger_> I think
[13:37:53] <pacopablo> ugh, the strftime documentation doesn't list all of the format characters
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[13:40:25] <pacopablo> what's up?
[13:40:32] <pacopablo> how's the template plugin coming?
[13:40:40] <pacopablo> I think I may need it soon
[13:41:36] <s0undt3ch> pacopablo: it has been idle until I finishup my server migration to vserver
[13:41:43] <s0undt3ch> pacopablo: you use ldap right
[13:42:02] <pacopablo> yes, but not the trca plugin
[13:42:21] <s0undt3ch> nope, not that, server wide
[13:42:38] <s0undt3ch> you use ldap for users/groups on your gentoo box?
[13:42:51] <pacopablo> at work, yes
[13:43:38] <s0undt3ch> ;) I need some help, with vservers my server is hosting 4 virtual-servers so far
[13:43:54] <s0undt3ch> and I'd like ldap to take care of users/groups auth
[13:44:14] <pacopablo> there is a great gentoo LDAP howto
[13:44:22] <s0undt3ch> I've been following http://wiki.kaspersandberg.com/doku.php?id=howtos:openldap
[13:44:36] <s0undt3ch> but it stucked on the ldapadd part
[13:44:53] <s0undt3ch> I get ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49)
[13:45:42] <pacopablo> you've got SSL and/or TLS issues
[13:45:46] <pacopablo> check your certs
[13:46:05] <pacopablo> or don't bother with SSL if LDAP is on localhost
[13:47:08] <s0undt3ch> well, ldap will only be used on my server, so I guess I can drop ssl, that won't bring me any trouble with other machines on my local lan?
[13:48:02] <pacopablo> my guess is that you're probably not too worried about people sniffing sensitive data on your lan
[13:48:12] <pacopablo> if that's the case, then plain ldap:// is fine
[13:49:11] <s0undt3ch> k, switching
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[13:53:45] <s0undt3ch> pacopablo: I think I've switched, but same error :|
[13:54:40] <pacopablo> make sure that you are using the -W and -x flags
[13:55:04] <s0undt3ch> oh
[13:55:05] <s0undt3ch> ;)
[13:55:39] <s0undt3ch> pacopablo: so, ldapadd -x -D "dc=Manager,dc=UfSoft" -W -f basic.ldif would become ldapadd -D "dc=Manager,dc=UfSoft" -f basic.ldif
[13:56:36] <s0undt3ch> pacopablo: ldap_bind: Server is unwilling to perform (53)
[13:56:40] <pacopablo> well, first, the dc=Manager,dc=UfSoft looks suspect
[13:56:46] <s0undt3ch> pacopablo: additional info: unauthenticated bind (DN with no password) disallowed
[13:57:02] <pacopablo> make sure that -x and -W are specified
[13:57:08] <pacopablo> the -W should prompt for a password
[13:57:25] <s0undt3ch> duhh, I was using that
[13:57:33] <pacopablo> k, one sec
[13:58:02] <pacopablo> make sure that your binddn (-D) is correct
[13:58:23] <pacopablo> you probalby want something like: cn=Manager,dc=UfSoft
[13:58:34] <coderanger_> it should look more like "cn=Mananger,dc=UfSoft,dc=com'
[13:58:52] <pacopablo> yeah, having Manager be a dc is pretyt strange
[13:59:06] <pacopablo> cus dc is a container
[13:59:07] <s0undt3ch> I'm just following the how to
[13:59:12] <s0undt3ch> :|
[13:59:21] <s0undt3ch> perhaps not the best one
[14:00:17] <s0undt3ch> but the official gentoo one is deprecated, and the gentoo wiki one points to this one -> http://wiki.kaspersandberg.com/doku.php?id=howtos:openldap <- as the one that worked
[14:00:37] <pacopablo> s0undt3ch: he uses cdn=Manager,dc=KasperSndberg
[14:00:49] <pacopablo> er, cn=Manager,dc=KasperSandberg
[14:01:11] <pacopablo> ldapsearch -x -D "cn=Manager,dc=KasperSandberg" -W
[14:01:21] <coderanger_> I am doing a migration from Kerb+NIS to LDAP+CAS this summer
[14:01:25] <s0undt3ch> pacopablo: yeah, but I changed KasperSandberg to UfSoft
[14:01:26] <coderanger_> Its gonna be interesting
[14:01:36] <pacopablo> coderanger_: yeah, real interesting
[14:01:42] <pacopablo> let me know how it goes
[14:01:55] <pacopablo> we run Kerb+LDAP at the office
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[14:02:07] <coderanger_> I may be rewitting chunks of OpenLDAP to do what I need
[14:02:35] <pacopablo> hehe, better you than me :)
[14:02:38] <coderanger_> I need to set it up to forward credentials on superior referals
[14:03:14] <s0undt3ch> pacopablo: would dc=org work, cuz my domain is ufsoft.org
[14:03:24] <s0undt3ch> or it really needs to be com
[14:03:26] <coderanger_> no
[14:03:29] <coderanger_> andthing works
[14:03:32] <coderanger_> *anything
[14:03:55] <coderanger_> Its just generally accepted to use your IP domain as your LPAD domain
[14:04:08] <coderanger_> so dc=ufsoft,dc=org in your case
[14:08:07] <s0undt3ch> disabled anyting ssl related, still no good "wrong credentials"
[14:08:35] <pacopablo> turn on debugging :)
[14:08:44] <s0undt3ch> :) where
[14:09:16] <pacopablo> slapd -d
[14:09:24] <pacopablo> and pass it a debug level
[14:09:48] <pacopablo> man slapd
[14:09:59] <s0undt3ch> I knew you were gonna say that ;)
[14:10:08] <pacopablo> therre is good info in there
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[14:10:30] <pacopablo> and I have to do it every time I try to figure out what's wrong with openldap, cus I always forget the specifics
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[15:02:08] <s0undt3ch> pacopablo: what's the url of that wonderfull gentoo ldap how to, can seem to make this work, or perhaps your's with kerberos ;)
[15:02:52] <pacopablo> well, I think the gentoo on eis deprecated
[15:03:05] <pacopablo> it's been a while since we setup LDAP
[15:03:27] <pacopablo> google for replacing NIS with kerberos and LDAP
[15:03:47] <pacopablo> any way you cut it, LDAP is a pain
[15:03:51] <pacopablo> at least to setup
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[15:04:09] <s0undt3ch> well, I'd like ldap for users/groups/hosts/some more and when this is all working, qmail-ldap :)
[15:04:29] <s0undt3ch> and yeah, it seems a pain
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[15:33:18] <pacopablo> anyone know of a function that takes a dictionary and coverts it to urlencoded pairs?
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[15:59:00] <pacopablo> wb coderanger_
[15:59:10] <coderanger_> Alo alo alo
[16:08:41] <coderanger_> pacopablo: This will probably interest you: http://www.securityabsurdity.com/failure.php
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[16:11:51] <coderanger_> Any sane person should probably just never go near the Internet. Ever.
[16:12:18] <pacopablo> yeah, I've always really been worried about that "peer" guy
[16:12:31] <pacopablo> he's alwyas going around disconnecting people :)
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[16:15:05] * pacopablo is enjoying his spyware free internet experience :)
[16:17:19] <coderanger_> Its all still pretty scary though
[16:17:28] <pacopablo> yes, it's a mess
[16:17:43] <coderanger_> I see enough laptops that are totally overrun to make you want cry
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