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June 01, 2006

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[00:07:21] <ignatoff> hi anyone around ?
[00:07:30] <dt> hello
[00:07:38] <dt> :-)
[00:07:51] <ignatoff> hi dt
[00:07:59] <dt> I am waiting for my answer, lol
[00:08:01] <dt> here
[00:08:27] <ignatoff> dt: are you an experineced trac user :) ?
[00:08:28] <dt> ignatoff: are you from russian
[00:08:30] <dt> ?
[00:08:41] <ignatoff> nope but close enough
[00:08:49] <dt> not really, but experienced enough
[00:08:59] <dt> (central asia?)
[00:09:16] <dt> in programming
[00:09:17] <ignatoff> i have a Q about the tickets in trac
[00:09:26] <ignatoff> Bulgaria
[00:09:37] <dt> nice
[00:10:01] <dt> well, this room has been quite
[00:10:11] <ignatoff> check this out
[00:10:18] <dt> except for one person ( <otaku42)
[00:10:23] <dt> ok, shoot
[00:11:04] <ignatoff> i would like to put a number of projects under svn that form a product
[00:11:32] <ignatoff> is it possible to issue tickets regarding the product rather the actual project
[00:12:25] <dt> so, you're saying you tied your project with a particular svn root?
[00:13:23] <ignatoff> yes say i have one repos. for 5 proj. two fo them addup to a prodact and the other three addup to a second product
[00:13:52] <ignatoff> i would like to issue tickets regarding the produck rather the separate projects
[00:14:06] <dt> what I could see so far is that you it's component based tickets
[00:14:54] <dt> I kinda sneaked on the info: http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/TracTickets
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[00:15:49] <dt> it looks like it also allows you to set your own property (field) for your tickets
[00:15:50] <dt> http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/TracTicketsCustomFields
[00:16:22] <dt> so, you should be able to specify an application
[00:17:35] <dt> I would recommend keeping what you have and then add custom fields
[00:17:59] <ignatoff> thanks dt let me read on it
[00:18:04] <dt> ok
[00:20:56] <otaku42> dt: will look at your paste in a few minutes...
[00:21:02] <otaku42> dt: am on the phone atm
[00:21:14] <dt> thanks!
[00:31:28] <ignatoff> dt, it by the looks of it, it allows you to creat fully custom tickets abd then group them in reports :)
[00:32:04] * ignatoff thinks trac rocks
[00:32:09] <alect> TRAC!
[00:32:19] <otaku42> dt: already tried with uncommented PythonOption TracUriRoot ... ?
[00:32:31] * otaku42 seconds ignatoff
[00:33:03] <ignatoff> anyway
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[00:34:01] <dt> otaku42: I did
[00:34:16] <otaku42> dt: did not help?
[00:34:17] <ignatoff> however bugzilla2trac.py gives me the following error :
[00:34:22] <ignatoff> _mysql_exceptions.OperationalError: (1054, "Unknown column 'name' in 'field list'")
[00:34:22] <ignatoff>
[00:34:32] <ignatoff> any idea anyone ?
[00:34:52] <misc> not me
[00:35:03] <dt> otaku42:no it didn't
[00:36:26] <dt> ignatoff: maybe you should try the internal db first
[00:37:46] <dt> otaku42: any other suggestion?
[00:38:01] <otaku42> dt: nope, unfortunately not.
[00:38:10] <ignatoff> dt i did quite get that :( ..'internal db' ?
[00:38:10] <otaku42> dt: what version of trac are you using?
[00:39:04] <dt> otaku42: Welcome to trac-admin 0.9.5
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[00:40:25] <dt> otaku42: the mod_python is 3.2.x
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[00:42:28] <otaku42> moin cmlenz
[00:42:46] <dt> otaku42: I think mod_python 3.2 isn't supported yet
[00:43:04] <otaku42> dt: that might well be, i'm not sure about that
[00:43:23] <cmlenz> hi otaku42
[00:46:48] <otaku42> cmlenz: any idea about http://trac.pastebin.com/750722 ?
[00:47:32] <cmlenz> 0.9.5 ?
[00:47:41] <dt> cmlenz: yes
[00:48:03] <dt> cmlenz: it's installed under mod_python3.2.x and apache2.2
[00:49:12] <cmlenz> looks like an incompatibility with mod_python, but I'd think we'd have heard about that before
[00:50:54] <dt> cmlez: now, I am trying to install apache2.0 and will see what happens
[00:52:19] <dt> cmslez: I checked on http://httpd.apache.org/modules/python-download.cgi and it says, apache2.2 and mod_python are not supported
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[01:03:21] <otaku42> dt: all i can say about that is that apache 2.0.54 and mod_python 2.3 work fine for the project i run (madwifi.org)
[01:03:28] <otaku42> dt: with a slightly modified version of trac 0.9.4
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[01:13:34] <dt> otaku42: I tried with apache2.0 and mod_python3.x and it worked!
[01:13:38] <dt> :-)
[01:13:57] <dt> I didn't know apache2.2 way too new
[01:16:53] <dt> I use freebsd's port to install my stuff so I grabbed the latest stuff
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[01:20:35] <dt> everyone: is it possible to use Oracle for the database?
[01:25:27] <alect> no
[01:28:20] <asmodai> Morn alect
[01:31:13] <alect> hey asmodai
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[01:40:00] <dt> thanks, everyone. Trac is now working!
[01:41:05] * sam`_ is now known as sam`
[01:41:38] <asmodai> alect: Another day eh? ;)
[01:41:51] <alect> yep :)
[01:42:05] <alect> just counting the days until this job finishes
[01:42:09] * alect curses boredom
[01:47:20] <cmlenz> alect: is there any place where an IContentConverter supports an "input type identifier" that is an actual MIME type?
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[01:48:49] <alect> def convert_content(req, mimetype, content, key):
[01:49:05] <alect> mimetype is the input mime type...is that what you mean?
[01:49:30] <cmlenz> yeah, and the first type returned by get_supported_conversions
[01:50:05] <cmlenz> (in_mimetype)
[01:50:29] <alect> yep
[01:50:50] <alect> "key" is just a convenience too
[01:51:36] <alect> well, a bit more than that really
[01:53:56] <cmlenz> okay, researching the code shows that most converters use an in_mimetype that isn't a MIME type
[01:54:05] <cmlenz> such as "trac.ticket.Ticket" or "trac.ticket.Query"
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[01:54:31] <cmlenz> only the wiki converter uses "text/x-trac-wiki"... but could just as easily use trac.wiki.WikiPage
[01:54:41] <alect> yeah...well originally they did, when i had "application/x-trac-ticket" for example
[01:55:16] <alect> what to do about queries and reports? use the query/report module?
[01:55:21] <cmlenz> I think the interface is too generic in accepting mime types
[01:55:23] <alect> or a wrapper object perhaps
[01:55:25] <alect> module/component
[01:55:52] <cmlenz> basically what it should do IMHO is attach support conversions to certains model classes
[01:56:09] <alect> how does that work with queries?
[01:56:21] <cmlenz> we have a Query class
[01:56:45] <cmlenz> the query controller would ask mimeview: give me all supported conversions for my Query object here
[01:56:54] <alect> true true
[01:57:04] <alect> and reports i guess we don't really care about
[01:57:05] <cmlenz> (we're missing a Report class, of course)
[01:57:10] <cmlenz> yeah
[01:57:50] <alect> what about chaining conversions?
[01:58:13] <cmlenz> why would that be needed?
[01:58:15] <alect> ie. register a text/csv -> application/x-ms-excel (or whatever)
[01:58:30] <alect> and the mime converter system will automatically do the transitive conversion
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[01:58:45] <cmlenz> hmm
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[01:58:55] <alect> eg. ticket -> text/csv -> application/x-ms-excel
[01:59:08] <alect> or query -> text/csv -> application/x-0ms-excel
[01:59:11] <alect> actually
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[01:59:32] <alect> one thought i had was a "MimeContent" class which wraps mime and content
[01:59:40] <alect> that could be pertinent for this situation
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[02:00:00] <alect> be more like an adaption implementation then though
[02:00:38] <alect> Query -> MimeContent('text/csv', c...) -> MimeContent('application/x-ms-excel', ...)
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[02:04:21] <cmlenz> I admit I hadn't though of CSV->excel :-P
[02:04:44] <cmlenz> do have any other examples?
[02:04:59] <cmlenz> Atom -> RSS or some such?
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[02:07:22] <alect> sure... wiki -> latex -> (pdf, word)
[02:07:38] <alect> i think it could be quite useful
[02:07:49] <alect> convert to a "common" format, then go from there
[02:08:09] <cmlenz> you don't really want to latex in a web request, do you? :-P
[02:08:11] <alect> or "* -> postscript -> image/jpeg" for another
[02:08:12] * cmlenz hates latex
[02:08:18] <alect> heh no not i
[02:08:23] <asmodai> cmlenz: hahah, I don't find it friendly either.
[02:08:28] <asmodai> cmlenz: Precise, yes, friendly, far from it.
[02:08:29] <alect> but just an example
[02:08:43] <asmodai> alect: Boredom? You on an assignment or something?
[02:09:14] <alect> nah, i resigned...so there's not much work to do except handover
[02:09:16] <alect> so...boring
[02:09:26] <alect> losing...consciousness...
[02:09:28] <alect> zzzzzzzzzzzz
[02:10:08] <asmodai> Ah.
[02:10:14] <asmodai> Whatcha gonna do for your next job?
[02:11:41] <cmlenz> you could write "Trac: The Definitive Guide" ;-)
[02:11:47] <cmlenz> or just "Trac Hacks"
[02:12:26] <cmlenz> would fit nicely with oreillys catalog
[02:13:01] <asmodai> lol
[02:14:24] <alect> hehe
[02:14:26] <alect> genius! :)
[02:14:42] <alect> i got a sysadmin job at google
[02:15:52] <cmlenz> neat
[02:16:44] <asmodai> alect: ahh nice
[02:16:50] <asmodai> you're the third person I know to go to Google
[02:16:59] * asmodai also has one at Opera.
[02:17:09] <asmodai> Mmm, no wait, the fourth at Google.
[02:17:14] <asmodai> nice: http://www.metacritic.com/
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[02:17:27] <alect> they are trying to take over the world
[02:17:36] <alect> one nerd at a time
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[02:20:12] <alect> what's opera like asmodai?
[02:20:31] <asmodai> Apparently quite relaxed.
[02:20:35] <asmodai> Friday is fun day
[02:20:42] <asmodai> bbq and such things
[02:21:02] <cmlenz> bah, and I thought friday was nude day :-P
[02:21:20] <alect> hehe
[02:21:20] <cmlenz> (certainly *not* fun)
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[02:21:28] <alect> that would be a little *too* relaxed
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[02:21:46] <asmodai> lol
[02:21:59] <asmodai> cmlenz: Feel free to do at your own place :P
[02:22:35] <asmodai> Mmm, my Half Life 2 episode 1 will be released in about 8 hours or so
[02:23:19] <cmlenz> http://www.nzgirl.co.nz/articles/3830
[02:24:01] <asmodai> mmm, Firefox 2.0 takes getting used to the tabs, the close button is now on each tab
[02:24:22] <asmodai> lol cmlenz
[02:24:33] <cmlenz> every other tabbed app has the close button on every tab, no?
[02:24:34] <alect> haha
[02:24:35] <alect> awesome
[02:24:41] <cmlenz> well, except for IE7 I suppose
[02:25:04] <alect> asmodai: are you going to try sin episode 1?
[02:26:00] <asmodai> Haven't decided yet.
[02:26:03] <asmodai> Need to check the trailers.
[02:26:19] <alect> i'm keen to hear what you think of hl2.1
[02:26:21] <asmodai> (never tried Sin before, only in Fainal Fantasy X)
[02:26:28] <asmodai> alect: Will let you know tomorrow then ;)
[02:26:49] <asmodai> eh? spelling checker?
[02:26:58] <asmodai> I am typing a comment on a news site
[02:27:04] <asmodai> and my Dutch words are getting underlined in red
[02:27:52] <alect> awesome :)
[02:28:02] <alect> except obviously it needs to know dutch
[02:29:15] <asmodai> I haven't even checked the options yet ;)
[02:29:36] <asmodai> extensions are now add-ons
[02:29:51] <asmodai> oh wait, add-ons now groups themes and extensions
[02:30:12] <asmodai> 2 of my extensions survived and still work :)
[02:30:25] <alect> haha
[02:30:32] <alect> yeah, i'll wait a while before upgrading i think
[02:31:19] <asmodai> Well, I always test stuff out ;)
[02:31:47] <asmodai> It does feel a bit more polished
[02:35:18] <asmodai> This girl won a miss election in NL yesterday. Special election for handicapped women.
[02:35:21] <asmodai> http://www.roosjeprom.nl/foto's_en_video's.htm
[02:37:22] <alect> you know her?
[02:38:16] <asmodai> Nope.
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[03:19:57] <alect> mmmmmmmmmm
[03:33:22] <alect> perhaps convert icontentconverter to use types
[03:33:59] <alect> then add a mimecontent type, as both a target and for chaining
[03:35:19] <alect> i'll whip up a quick patch
[03:37:02] <cmlenz> and the mimecontent type can wait until we actually implement chaining
[03:37:07] <cmlenz> e.g. after the release
[03:37:21] <cmlenz> or at least after the beta
[03:37:55] <alect> true
[03:39:24] <alect> hmm....though that would imply leaving out_mimetype as a string
[03:39:41] <alect> which would subsequently cause an api change later
[03:40:54] <cmlenz> yeah
[03:40:57] <cmlenz> true
[03:42:29] <alect> hmm
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[03:44:35] <Torosentado> donde estais
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[03:44:53] <Torosentado> donde estas sam
[03:45:10] <Torosentado> no hay nadie?
[03:45:22] <alect> english?
[03:45:37] <Torosentado> no spanish
[03:46:02] <alect> right
[03:46:26] <Torosentado> I want speak in english
[03:48:13] <Moof> yo hablo español
[03:48:32] <Torosentado> pero eres ingles?
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[03:48:42] <Moof> (and I speak english too, but it may help this person if I try)
[03:48:54] <Moof> Torosentado: si, pero criado en mallorca
[03:49:30] <Torosentado> Bonita isla mallorca, yo soy vasco, conoces a los vascos?
[03:49:58] <Moof> claro
[03:50:32] <Moof> llevo 25 años en este pais. ¿como no los voy a conocer? ;)
[03:50:42] <Torosentado> Que quiere decir Moof?
[03:50:52] <Moof> beuno, con que te puedo ayudar?
[03:51:24] <Torosentado> estoy aprendiendo a chatear
[03:51:30] <Moof> aaah
[03:51:31] <cmlenz> heh
[03:51:38] <alect> heh
[03:51:40] <Torosentado> vives en mallorca?
[03:51:43] <Moof> pues entonces te explico.
[03:51:53] <Torosentado> explicame.
[03:52:04] <Moof> es que este es un canal de soporte tecnico para una aplicacion que se llama "trac"
[03:52:31] <Torosentado> y que es trac?
[03:52:55] <Moof> mayoritariamente usado por angloparlantes, y por eso tendemos a hablar ingles aqui.
[03:53:39] <Torosentado> O sea que estoy en un sitio no idoneo para mi.
[03:54:13] <Moof> trac es una aplicacion web que integra con subversion, un sistema de control de versiones de archivos, y combina un wiki y un sistema de gestion de "tickets" para hacer seguimiento de errores y posibles mejoras de un programa.
[03:54:39] <Moof> pero si, en general, si solo quiere aprender a chatear, y a charlar con gente, no estas en un sitio idoneo
[03:55:27] <Torosentado> me podr� dar la direcci�e un buen servidor.
[03:56:37] <Moof> irc.irc-hispano.org esta mas para chateo.
[03:57:22] <Torosentado> Gracias Moof, hasta otra.
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[03:58:54] <Moof> ok, that was a tad misguided
[03:59:05] <Moof> just some guy learning to chat online
[03:59:21] <Moof> ended up on this channel not knowing what he was doing
[03:59:32] <cmlenz> wonder how he got here
[03:59:43] <prologic> interesting
[03:59:44] <Moof> it does seem a bit strange, yes
[03:59:48] <cmlenz> also, IRC and newbies?
[04:00:09] <Moof> I pointed him at the spanish IRC network.
[04:00:33] <Moof> oh, plenty of newbies on IRC. they dont' tend to get onto freenode, though.
[04:00:43] <cmlenz> right
[04:01:30] <Moof> I *suspect* he was being badly guided by someone, as he was looking for a sam when he joined.
[04:02:21] <klando> yes but where is Sam ? ;)
[04:02:28] <tuxipuxi> hola chicos, tengo una problema. no hay nadie?
[04:02:49] <klando> claro, soy ahi, que que quieres ?
[04:03:01] <tuxipuxi> well, just kidding :)
[04:03:19] <Moof> I love the way newbies are so patronising, too , I say I've been brought up in mallorca, he asks me if I've heard fo the basque.
[04:03:45] <klando> :)
[04:03:46] <tuxipuxi> heh
[04:04:48] <Moof> so, now I've come out as a spanish speaker in a rather dramatic manner, does anyone else have any secrets they wish to share with the group? ;)
[04:04:58] <alect> haha
[04:05:03] <tuxipuxi> i'm using cvs!
[04:05:06] <tuxipuxi> ;)
[04:05:15] <alect> GET THEE HENCE!
[04:06:19] <Moof> tuxipuxi: it's ok. we respect you for who you are, even if we don't understand this strange....obession of yours.
[04:06:53] <tuxipuxi> will you still respect me when i come up with CVS support for trac??
[04:07:02] <Moof> alect: and before you ask, no, my spanish isn't good enough to port trac to spanish
[04:07:21] <Moof> tuxipuxi: we'll brand you the eccentric member of the family, but yes.
[04:07:23] <alect> sure, that will mean we can close another ticket tuxipuxi :)
[04:07:39] <tuxipuxi> hah there's really such a ticket? how odd
[04:08:12] <tuxipuxi> nah just kidding anyway, not using CVS
[04:08:34] <Moof> tuxipuxi: no, it's ok, even if you are.
[04:08:57] <tuxipuxi> :)
[04:08:59] <klando> yes, not a real problem, cvs is still usefull for .... heee ....for .....
[04:09:04] <Moof> or are you one of these biversional people that swing btoh ways?
[04:09:56] <tuxipuxi> at least my hostname isn't that strange! ;)
[04:10:00] <tuxipuxi> like yours
[04:10:04] <tuxipuxi> ok time to grab some food
[04:10:18] <Moof> tuxipuxi: nothing wrong with a wompom!
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[05:13:43] <ranq> hmm, in bugzilla you can create a bookmark, where you can have pre-filled description field (to use as bug reporting template). how similar functionality could be achieved with trac?
[05:24:58] <boorad> alect: you around? wanted to ask you if there was anything magical to your Hack Snapshot feature
[05:25:16] <boorad> cron script that exports, zips, and voila?
[05:29:16] <boorad> cmlenz: howdy - about IUserDirectory, I know it's ill-defined, but thought that at least the API change could be in 0.10, as I hear a lot of people asking for the drop-down assign-to list that's not based on session table
[05:29:37] <boorad> but I agree with not introducing it to 0.10, as well, w/ the chance of more bugs introduced.
[05:30:03] <alect> it was a post-commit hook, checked out trac-hacks and generated the zips
[05:30:04] <boorad> should I put it into the 0.11 milestone? Ticket #2456 currently isn't in a milestone
[05:30:10] <alect> but now it's just using the built in browser zips
[05:30:14] <cmlenz> well, it's not an API change, really... just adding extensibility to an existing mechanism
[05:30:40] <cmlenz> so it'd be worse adding an ill-defined API now than not adding it at all, wrt backwards compat
[05:30:44] <boorad> cmlenz: true, I guess I was thinking the call to get_known_users changed in my patch
[05:30:59] <boorad> alect: browser zips?
[05:31:34] <boorad> cmlenz: should I put it into 0.11 ??
[05:32:18] <cmlenz> the roadmap lists it as part of 0.12 currently
[05:32:23] <cmlenz> http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/milestone/0.12
[05:32:38] <cmlenz> but we can move it to 0.11 I guess
[05:32:55] <boorad> cmlenz: up to the devs, that's why I'm asking
[05:32:56] <cmlenz> 0.11 is becoming the black hole attracting all changes :-P
[05:33:13] <boorad> and then some just slide to 0.12, that's how it works
[05:33:23] <alect> heh
[05:33:28] <alect> it does seem that way
[05:33:46] <alect> boorad: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracIni#browser
[05:34:24] <boorad> alect: I saw those Zip Archive links go away when using the browser on a folder with source files - anyone else see that?
[05:34:41] <boorad> alect: hmmm, so you need that ini option and then the source is configurable?
[05:34:51] <boorad> s/configurable/downloadable
[05:35:01] <boorad> (I'm mid-coffee)
[05:35:11] <alect> yep
[05:35:31] <boorad> that helps a bunch, had some people screaming that the feature had been lost in an "upgrade"
[05:36:34] <boorad> cmlenz: sticking with the roadmap notes, I put #2456 into 0.12 and I'll just keep using my patch until the grown-up API comes along :P
[05:36:56] <cmlenz> okay
[05:37:00] <boorad> thanks gents
[05:50:31] <boorad> alect: I had the downloadable_paths option already, although I noted that /trunk/* was missing the * - added it, and still don't see the Zip Archive link at the bottom - thoughts? I'm running r3271 - did anything happen after that, you recall?
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[05:54:43] <alect> nope. i am running 3314
[05:54:47] <alect> works fine on trac-hacks
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[05:58:15] <boorad> alect: If I go to http://trac-hacks.org/browser/dbauthplugin/0.9, I don't see the Zip Archive at the bottom of the page - can you give me a URL where you see it? I don't see it on p.e.c. either - maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?
[05:58:46] <boorad> alect: hold on, I see it now
[05:58:53] <boorad> I'm an idiot
[05:59:35] <boorad> I removed parts of the footer, and that's what's biting me in the ass, sorry to bother
[06:02:36] <alect> hehe
[06:02:37] <alect> np
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[06:17:25] <ghenry> Hi I am trying to find pypgsql for Fedora Core 5. Any tips?
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[06:26:45] <misc> ghenry: use yum search ? it should be in fedora extra i guess
[06:27:16] <ghenry> it's not :-( just grabbed the source and did python setup.py build etc.
[06:27:25] <ghenry> installed now, thanks misc
[06:32:40] <boorad> ghenry: might I suggest a more up-to-date pypg driver? psycopg2 at initd.org ??
[06:33:05] <ghenry> it's done now though. Will it matter loads?
[06:33:25] <boorad> no, shouldn't - I used pypgsql at first, without issue
[06:33:38] <ghenry> next trac env, will swap I suppose ;-)
[06:33:56] <ghenry> only used this with catalystframework.org, so trying it for our company
[06:34:14] <boorad> my only point is that psycopg adheres more closely to the DB-API and is more recently developed - pypgsql will work, too
[06:34:20] <ghenry> http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/timeline
[06:34:40] <boorad> s/recently/actively
[06:35:30] <ghenry> point noted. thanks
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[06:37:22] <MACscr> do any themes exist for trac?
[06:41:48] <ghenry> python dies with No such file or directory: '/x/x/x/x/x/x/VERSION' x is path to our svn repo
[06:41:52] <ghenry> any ideas?
[06:43:08] <ghenry> wrong repo
[06:43:15] <ghenry> needs to be trac dir. Doh!
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