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June 06, 2006

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[00:04:50] <alect> hey christian
[00:05:13] <alect> http://wiki.python.org/moin/CallForTrackers <-- want to help? :)
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[00:07:12] <alect> > hey christian [17:03]
[00:07:12] <alect> > http://wiki.python.org/moin/CallForTrackers <-- want to help? :) [17:04]
[00:12:19] <cboos> hi alect, will be back in a few hours ...
[00:12:39] <alect> hoaky
[00:14:04] <alect> no wonder i'm getting 20k/sec, we're routing to .se via new york :\
[00:14:09] <alect> lame
[00:20:53] <asmodai> And back
[00:21:42] <asmodai> You know what is so cute about Trac versus Bugzilla?
[00:21:48] <alect> it doesn't suck?
[00:21:54] <asmodai> Trac: Python + trac + clearsilver
[00:22:05] <asmodai> Bugzilla: perl + 10-15 extensions
[00:22:15] <alect> heh
[00:22:19] <alect> yeah
[00:22:46] <asmodai> And I think python's install is smaller than perl.
[00:22:53] <asmodai> And apparently way more powerful :)
[00:23:15] <asmodai> Hahah, my city, Rotterdam, exists 666 years today :D
[00:23:53] <alect> and python is cool, whereas perl is not ;)
[00:27:05] <asmodai> True.
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[00:30:12] <bdash> hey cmlenz
[00:30:19] * bdash wonders if cmlenz has seen http://wiki.python.org/moin/CallForTrackers
[00:30:24] <cmlenz> hey bdash
[00:30:28] <cmlenz> yeah, just now
[00:30:32] <alect> hey chris
[00:30:34] <cmlenz> and that alect already signed up
[00:30:43] <alect> :)
[00:30:56] <alect> i've recruited four people so far
[00:30:57] <asmodai> ok, time to fixx0r up that CSS
[00:31:00] * asmodai goes to hack
[00:31:12] <alect> cmlenz: r3164 was the changeset that broke tracd+xmlrpc
[00:31:25] <asmodai> oh btw
[00:31:40] <cmlenz> alect: yeah, I thought so :-/
[00:31:41] <asmodai> can one of you verify that if you login, then logout again and then press login again it uses cached credentials?
[00:31:54] <alect> it does yes
[00:31:57] <asmodai> I tried IE and FF and both logged me in again with the cached credentials, not a new pop-up.
[00:32:05] <asmodai> alect: By design?
[00:32:24] <alect> it's a "feature" of using http auth afaik
[00:33:29] <asmodai> Mmm, should be able to fix that, because this makes testing a new login a bit tedious. ;)
[00:33:47] <alect> i'm pretty sure it's not possible
[00:34:06] <asmodai> But we're not the first to use HTTP authentication, right? ;)
[00:34:10] <alect> you can probably use the authform plugin to do that kind of testing
[00:34:21] <alect> no we're not, and i've not seen anybody else fix it either :)
[00:34:26] <bdash> i'm pretty sure its a limitation of the HTTP auth mechanism
[00:34:51] <asmodai> So how do things like fora do it?
[00:34:53] <alect> that's my understanding also
[00:35:04] <cmlenz> alect: any idea what exactly is breaking XML-RPC in the change?
[00:35:07] <alect> what's a fora?
[00:35:25] <asmodai> plural of forum
[00:35:25] <alect> cmlenz: i did a packet dump, and neither fcgi nor mod_python actually send back a 303
[00:35:53] <alect> cmlenz: but tracd does, and xmlrpclib doesn't seem to handle it
[00:36:09] <alect> actually i didn't test mod_python, but fcgi definitely didn't
[00:36:15] <cmlenz> 303?
[00:36:58] <alect> 303 redirect in web.api.Request.redirect
[00:37:20] <alect> xmlrpclib.ProtocolError: <ProtocolError for athomas:password@localhost:8080/devel/login/xmlrpc: 303 See Other>
[00:37:24] <cmlenz> that would only be triggered by LoginModule AFAICT
[00:37:50] <cmlenz> redirect_back
[00:38:06] <alect> yes
[00:38:15] <cmlenz> hmm
[00:38:35] <alect> redirect() is called for fcgi, but doesn't actually seem to send back a 303
[00:38:38] <alect> which is ... odd
[00:38:45] <alect> but i have the packet dumps to prove it :)
[00:39:02] <cmlenz> maybe it's doing an internal redirect
[00:39:08] <alect> yeah that was my thought too
[00:39:17] <cmlenz> depending on whether we're setting an absolute Location header
[00:39:27] <alect> one would have hoped that xmlrpclib would handle it :\
[00:40:04] <alect> i could modify xmlrpclib to do its own auth
[00:40:11] <alect> call the login module directly
[00:40:29] <alect> it's probably a better solution anyway
[00:40:41] <cmlenz> I don't see how r3164 changed much except for moving classes around
[00:40:56] <alect> i mean, it seems like a bug that the redirect isn't handled
[00:41:00] <asmodai> interesting in the python HTML:
[00:41:02] <asmodai> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="sc&#82;een" href="http://beta.python.org/styles/netscape4.css" />
[00:41:13] <alect> yeah i had a quick look too and couldn't see anything obvious
[00:41:29] <asmodai> Must be a netscape 4 hack :)
[00:41:42] <cmlenz> alect: sure that it wasn't http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/changeset/3158 that broke it?
[00:41:45] <alect> what's &#82;?
[00:41:55] <cmlenz> I'd say "r" ;-)
[00:42:02] <alect> cmlenz: yep positive
[00:42:08] <alect> heh true
[00:42:16] <asmodai> line before it is:
[00:42:17] <asmodai> <style type="text/css" media="screen">@import "http://beta.python.org/styles/styles.css";</style>
[00:43:39] <asmodai> Must be a hack.
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[00:57:16] <cmlenz> so what's the plan with the python tracker?
[00:58:12] <alect> well, i was going to enumerate the list of features that they seem to require, plus ones we will require
[00:58:33] <alect> bounce a mail around all those interested and get a final list
[00:58:44] <alect> then start prioritising and see who volunteers
[01:00:51] <alect> perhaps i should just send it to trac-dev?
[01:01:01] <cmlenz> yeah
[01:02:41] <cmlenz> I guess with email2trac, the SF importer, and maybe the webadmin plugin, the basic requirements are met
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[01:03:24] <cmlenz> not sure about data export
[01:03:25] <bdash> it needs a new SF importer
[01:03:28] <alect> mostly yeah, except email2trac doesn't support updates to existing tickets
[01:03:45] <alect> i figured xmlrpc could be used for export
[01:04:24] <cmlenz> ah, they have special SF exports in XML, eh?
[01:04:40] <alect> yeah
[01:04:51] <cmlenz> that should be simple
[01:04:53] <alect> includes everything apparently...attachments as well
[01:05:03] <bdash> they seem to have some information in XML, and expect you to scrape the rest out of the HTML
[01:06:22] <alect> hrm probably should disable browse source as well for now :(
[01:06:26] <alect> boooooo
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[01:19:21] <cmlenz> hey jborg
[01:19:43] <jborg> morning
[01:20:35] <cmlenz> alect: going to do a python.org theme of sorts?
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[01:33:12] <asmodai> cmlenz: Was already working on that ;)
[01:33:26] <cmlenz> ah cool
[01:33:37] <cmlenz> don't touch the templates! ;-)
[01:33:54] <asmodai> just the site_css.cs
[01:34:21] <cmlenz> exactly
[01:36:46] <cmlenz> let me know if you run into any trouble, I've been through the procedure a couple of times
[01:38:47] <asmodai> *nods*
[01:38:50] <asmodai> will do
[01:42:06] <alect> neuralis (guy from laptop.org) suggested he may be able to dedicate a hacker for the python.org tracker
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[01:56:15] <asmodai> mmm
[01:56:28] <asmodai> can easy_install reindex a site-packages to recreate a easy_install.pth?
[01:59:37] <alect> dunno
[02:00:15] <asmodai> ah, easy_install <name of installed thing in site-packages>
[02:00:19] <asmodai> it will reregister
[02:00:23] <alect> magical
[02:01:09] <asmodai> hahah, useful :)
[02:01:41] <asmodai> Had this weird thing that it had the PRERELEASE uname info from this FreeBSD 6.1 box cached somewhere, but zgrep -R in site-packages showed nothing
[02:08:32] <alect> hmm, perhaps i should set up a trac to track this python tracker stuff
[02:17:41] <alect> meh
[02:18:55] <asmodai> hahaha
[02:18:57] <asmodai> Yes!
[02:18:58] <asmodai> ;)
[02:19:16] <alect> :)
[02:19:56] * asmodai continues hacking the css
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[02:50:44] <cboos> hello
[02:51:59] <asmodai> ey cboos
[02:52:07] <cboos> hi asmodai
[02:52:19] <cboos> cmlenz: did you have a look at the last patch for the ticket ''reply to'' feature?
[02:52:34] <asmodai> alect: slowly starting to look like python.org ;)
[02:53:37] <cmlenz> cboos: looks good
[02:54:13] <cboos> ... so it's ok if I commit it, right?
[02:56:04] <cboos> cmlenz: something else, now: did you have a look at #3043 (tracd/wsgi stuff)? Do you think you know what's going on, or should I investigate myself?
[02:56:40] <cmlenz> cboos: please commit :-)
[02:57:06] <cmlenz> didn't really look into #3043 yet
[02:57:36] <cmlenz> I think raw_requestline and close_connection are used in the base class
[03:03:52] <alect> hey cboos
[03:03:57] <cboos> hi
[03:03:59] <alect> asmodai: cool :)
[03:05:52] <cboos> just saw bruno's patch on #3225 ... "configurable shortening of headings". I'd rather say it's a bug, we should never shorten headings, should we?
[03:09:14] <asmodai> hahaha
[03:09:17] <asmodai> ugly beyond belief?
[03:09:18] <asmodai> ROFL
[03:11:03] <alect> :)
[03:11:37] <cmlenz> cboos: that's in the outliner, or?
[03:11:57] <cboos> ah... perhaps
[03:12:05] <cboos> wait checking
[03:12:07] <cmlenz> dunno, I didn't really check
[03:12:22] <cmlenz> if not, it's definitely a bug
[03:12:53] <cboos> it's in Formatter ...
[03:13:01] <cboos> so it's a bug
[03:13:36] <cboos> what should we do in the outliner? shorten? yeah perhaps...
[03:14:36] <cboos> oops, IIRC, I introduced the bug ;)
[03:15:48] <cmlenz> hehe
[03:15:54] <cboos> the self._absurls was used for the shorten argument
[03:16:04] <cmlenz> yeah, I guess the outliner should shorten
[03:16:35] <cboos> so I arbitrarily fixed it by doing ,shorten=True. absurls=self._absurls
[03:16:54] <cboos> ... I should have picked arbitrarily ''False''
[03:17:11] <cboos> will remember it for the next arbitrary fix ;)
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[03:17:42] <alect> awright, python tracker mail sent off
[03:18:28] <asmodai> mmm, useful: http://www.culturedcode.com/css/reference.html
[03:21:43] <alect> fast too
[03:29:02] <alect> anybody got any layout suggestions to make trac-hacks front page a bit more compact?
[03:31:36] <cmlenz> not show everything on the front page? ;-)
[03:31:45] <alect> BAH
[03:31:47] <cmlenz> like only the top 5 of every category (plugins, macros, etc)
[03:32:22] <asmodai> hahah
[03:32:30] <alect> hmm, dunno
[03:32:45] <alect> or maybe a random 5 would be better, so people don't get offended :)
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[03:39:21] <alect> i wonder if it's bad form to use the null xml-rpc extension
[03:39:27] <alect> something will undoubtedly break
[03:39:28] * alect sighs
[03:44:28] <asmodai> Heh
[03:53:20] <asmodai> Oh, the joys of CSS!
[03:53:21] <asmodai> :D
[03:53:36] <asmodai> At least it is starting to resemble something
[04:08:24] <alect> excellent
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[04:28:53] <Marlun> Hello again :)
[04:29:00] <Marlun> I've almost got Trac running now.
[04:29:09] <cboos> ''almost'' ?
[04:29:24] <Marlun> I have it up and running using tracd, but I need it up and ru nning using mod_python.
[04:29:47] <Marlun> I had to redo everything last night since mod_python doesn't seem to support Apache 2.2, had to install Apache 2.0.x =)
[04:31:30] <Marlun> I've addded to apache's httpd.conf what is in the Trac Guide for "Setting up multiple projects" And when I go to http://serverip/projects/ I get a list with my projects. However they are not hyperlinked and after there name there is a text: Error.
[04:32:21] <cboos> What error exactly?
[04:32:31] <cboos> Or just "Error." and that's it?
[04:32:56] <Marlun> Looks like this: * myproject: Error
[04:33:04] <Marlun> and on the next line just: ()
[04:33:28] <cboos> uh, that's weird. There should be the text of the exception inside the ()
[04:33:46] <Marlun> hmmm...
[04:33:53] <Marlun> Maybe the apache error log has something...
[04:35:20] <Marlun> nope, no errors
[04:35:34] <cboos> anyway, if your environment can be used with tracd, then it's probably a question of environment... httpd runs in an environment with the correct LD_LIBRARY_PATH, as discussed yesterday?
[04:36:06] <cboos> sorry: let me rephrase the above
[04:36:51] <cboos> if your Trac environment can be used with tracd, then it's probably an issue with your shell environment...
[04:37:42] <Marlun> oh ok
[04:37:57] <Marlun> maybe I can test and do the single project version.
[04:38:01] <Marlun> see if it works.
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[04:47:02] <Marlun> hmmm now I changed to just showing a single trac enviorment and now it seems to get some sql connection errors. however the resolution in the terminal is so bad i can't get a good view of it, I'll have to install ubuntu-desktop :P (only did a server install)
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[05:11:18] <asmodai> cmlenz: Quite fun to battle with this stuff ;)
[05:11:37] <cmlenz> sure :-)
[05:16:35] <Marlun> hmmm, now it doesn't even work with traced, now when I got to http://serverip:8000/ I get the "Available Projects" page with: myproject: Error (file is encrypted or is not a database)
[05:18:11] <Marlun> meant tracd.
[05:20:51] <Marlun> hmmm now I redid a trac enviorment and it works with tracd, I wonder if I'm doing something wrong some of the times. Going to try with Apache and mod_python again.
[05:24:38] <cboos> Marlun: this error is indicative of a db version mismatch ... probably you're sometimes using the system sqlite3, sometimes your 3.3.5 version...
[05:25:57] <neuralis> alect: hmm. should i have received a copy of that mail, or was that some other one?
[05:26:19] <Marlun> cboos: oh, hmmmm, well now I'm getting a "500 Internal Server Error" and this is the apache error log: http://marlun.pastebin.com/762200
[05:27:17] <cmlenz> did you read the error message Marlun? ;-)
[05:27:20] <Marlun> in the end it looks like a permission error "The user %s requires read _and_ write"
[05:27:40] <asmodai> neuralis: it went to trac-dev
[05:27:45] <alect> neuralis: yeah you should have
[05:27:53] <Marlun> cmlenz: well, it's pretty much a mess to me :) I don't understand it.
[05:28:11] <cmlenz> You cut off the actual error message which should've been below the traceback
[05:28:47] <cmlenz> (or above, not sure)
[05:28:48] <Marlun> cmlenz: whops, you are right :) I missed that one, thought i was at the end.
[05:29:28] <alect> man hyperestraier speeds up reposearch astronomically
[05:29:43] <cmlenz> alect: using those 0.0.1 python bindings?
[05:29:55] <cmlenz> (what are they called?)
[05:30:00] <alect> hype
[05:30:03] <Marlun> "The user root requires read _and_ write persmission to the database file /home/marlun/tracs/project/db/trac.db and the directory it is located in"
[05:30:20] <asmodai> alect: I think I have the CSS largely done today
[05:30:22] <alect> seems pretty solid
[05:30:28] <alect> asmodai: excellent
[05:30:34] * alect looks
[05:30:49] <asmodai> alect: working on positioning and the menus :)
[05:31:12] <alect> your external copy not updated?
[05:31:17] <cmlenz> asmodai: is that online?
[05:31:25] <alect> the hype bindings are very nice
[05:31:55] <asmodai> alect / cmlenz: http://trac.in-nomine.org:81/trac/ - working from cmlenz' bitten menu restructure 'cause the wiki kept blackish highlighted
[05:32:25] <asmodai> the python css file is 9 printed a4 sides :S
[05:32:32] <alect> good lord
[05:32:46] <asmodai> So you can imagine the fun I'm having here :D
[05:32:52] <alect> haha yeah
[05:33:16] * asmodai pats cmlenz for a nice trac redesign, can at least lift the menu ideas to reorganise from
[05:33:30] <cmlenz> asmodai: you definitely don't want to absolutely position the main content
[05:33:33] <Marlun> cmlenz: now I gave the apache user ownership of the trac env path and now I get: "404 Not Found (No handler matched request to /project/)" when visiting the url.
[05:33:42] <alect> can't say i'm a huge fan of the python.org style
[05:33:44] <asmodai> cmlenz: lets see what it does without
[05:34:03] <asmodai> ok, removed
[05:34:09] <alect> not a real fan of anything with serif's
[05:34:20] <cmlenz> that's better :-)
[05:34:22] <asmodai> I will need to reposition some things for this though.
[05:34:27] <alect> aha
[05:35:24] <asmodai> serifs can be really beautiful too :)
[05:35:30] <asmodai> alect: How about kanji type design? :D
[05:35:30] <alect> lies!
[05:36:04] * asmodai comes from the graphical industry, well at least dad did, I got into a lot of stuff, even calligraphy :D
[05:36:57] <alect> i like the new spaces in wiki page names
[05:37:00] <alect> awesome
[05:37:21] <asmodai> The new spaced?
[05:37:23] <asmodai> spaces
[05:37:24] <cmlenz> yeah, it's pretty nice
[05:37:39] <asmodai> Got an example?
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[05:37:47] <alect> swapoff.org
[05:38:58] <asmodai> It spaces the camelcase by itself?
[05:39:06] <alect> yep
[05:39:07] <alect> magic
[05:39:11] <asmodai> cool
[05:39:40] <asmodai> alect: btw, you run spam assassin and amavisd? or just sa alone?
[05:39:54] <alect> both yeah
[05:41:14] <asmodai> alect: You noticing the delays perl imposes?
[05:41:33] <asmodai> Not to mention the memory consumption. It's driving my box crazy :(
[05:41:48] <alect> well, spamassassin is very slow by itself
[05:41:53] <asmodai> typical example:
[05:41:53] <asmodai> 59494 vscan 1 20 0 65476K 41544K lockf 1 0:15 0.44% perl5.8.8
[05:41:56] <alect> but apart from that, not appreciably
[05:42:01] <alect> woah
[05:42:03] <asmodai> 40 res
[05:42:39] <asmodai> now imagine 3 of those with 40 MB res.
[05:42:50] <asmodai> Poor box only has 384 MB
[05:43:19] <alect> heh
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[05:44:48] <asmodai> Was thinking of spamd, although I still need to dig into it
[05:45:01] <alect> i use spamd
[05:45:01] * asmodai prays for a python spamassassin.
[05:45:11] <asmodai> spamd is C right?
[05:45:19] <alect> urm i don't think so
[05:45:24] <alect> but i could be wrong
[05:45:24] <asmodai> Crapz-r
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[05:54:03] <Marlun> woah! Now I think I got a single trac env to work through Apache :)
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[06:01:47] <Marlun> And now I got a multi-project setup working :)
[06:01:50] <Marlun> great!
[06:02:06] <alect> :)
[06:02:45] <Marlun> took me 5 days to get all the dependencies and trac up and working using source-code installating for most things.
[06:07:17] <Synapse> Marlun: It's a right wench indeed.
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[06:15:26] <alect> weird, a search for "searchsource" doesn't pick up anything with hype, but "search source" picks up "ISearchSource"
[06:15:27] <alect> O_o
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[06:22:01] <cmlenz> alect: about http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/changeset/3363
[06:22:11] <cmlenz> probably should pass the "req" parameter
[06:22:33] <alect> yes, quite right
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[06:29:45] <klando> hi, does someone here use the doxygenplugin ? I *need* to secure the access to doc, but it seems that doxyplugin is out of trac login process .....
[06:30:54] <klando> or if there is just any plugin which use login ....can you tell me, just for have a look at the code (I am not a python dev at all)
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[06:34:04] <Dr_Barnowl> Hello, how would you recommend programmatically posting a page to a Trac wiki (the situation is that I keep my TODO list in Trac wiki format out of sheer habit and I realised it might be nice for people to just be able to look at it on the wiki. But equally, I prefer to keep it in a text file on my desktop).
[06:34:26] <alect> from what i can tell, i don't think pudge's path traversal code is extensible
[06:34:36] <alect> dr_barnowl: xml-rpc plugin on trac hacks
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[06:41:41] <klando> nobody know about login for plugins ?
[06:41:56] <Dr_Barnowl> alect: Does xml-rpc work for Trac 0.95? I can't quite make out whether it does from browsing the Trac version history..
[06:42:15] <alect> klando: i'd suggest contacting the plugin author
[06:42:22] <alect> dr_barnowl: no it doesn't
[06:42:38] <klando> mmhhh
[06:43:03] <Dr_Barnowl> alect : Thanks, I couldn't tell frome the docs which changset was required to support it (apart from it being after a certain r# in trunk)
[06:43:20] <alect> klando: but if you're desperate, the python code you want is something like: "req.perm.assert_permission(SOME_PERMISSION)"
[06:43:36] <klando> :) thank you alect
[06:44:02] <alect> barnowl: "It will not work with Trac 0.9.x or earlier."
[06:47:14] <Dr_Barnowl> alect: Yeah, but the docs were written back at r2997 and I was unsure from looking at the branch log whether the required feature was merged into the 0.9 branch before r3202 when 0.9.5 was tagged
[06:47:45] <alect> fair enough
[06:48:11] * Dr_Barnowl goes to edit the documentation :-)
[06:48:44] <klando> I have no ccss on edgewall site ... do you ?
[06:48:56] <klando> s/ccss/css
[06:49:00] <alect> yep
[06:49:20] <klando> ... ok
[06:49:27] <alect> :)
[06:49:29] <Dr_Barnowl> Yep, unless I turn it off with the Firefox feature
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[06:52:54] <klando> alect : I have a 404 http://www.edgewall.org/css/site.css
[06:53:02] <klando> raaaah THE bad day
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[07:00:37] <matt_good> klando: it's edgewall.com, not org
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[07:10:24] <klando> raah :)
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[07:29:23] <alect> i wonder if PSF will let us have a full copy of their SVN repo
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[07:31:04] <asmodai> wooow
[07:31:05] <asmodai> would be cool
[07:31:21] <alect> i reckon
[07:31:48] <alect> i could just grab it myself one rev at a time, but it's HUGE
[07:32:35] <asmodai> A dump would be infinitely faster
[07:32:46] <alect> indeed it is
[07:33:05] <asmodai> One thing's for sure, python.org's stylesheet is 'uge
[07:33:16] <alect> hehe
[07:33:21] <alect> painful eh
[07:33:34] <asmodai> Mmm, I need to compress some divs into each other to get the same result
[07:33:51] <asmodai> thus far it looks at least more like python.org than before
[07:34:14] <alect> yeah it does
[07:34:26] <asmodai> I wonder what happens if class=""
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[07:48:03] <cmlenz> compress some divs?
[07:49:13] <asmodai> cmlenz: python's has waaay more divs in use.
[07:49:42] <cmlenz> asmodai: can't you just ignore that?
[07:51:08] <cmlenz> talking about the lefthand navigation?
[07:51:31] <asmodai> cmlenz: in general, so in some cases I need to see what gets inherited and what not ;)
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[08:01:41] <marlun> So how do you work with Trac and svn? The Apache user (nobody) needs permission to write and read from both subversion repositories and trac enviorments. Do you create a group where you put the Apache user and then when you create a repoistory or a trac enviorment you give that the group ownership?
[08:11:47] <klando> alect : req.perm.assert_permission(SOME_PERMISSION) works very fi