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June 09, 2006

[00:10:16] <asmodai> Morning.
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[00:23:52] <monsti> hi
[00:25:10] <monsti> any idea if it's possible to add custom ticket actions?
[00:25:31] <monsti> i want to add a "test" action
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[00:49:18] <alect> hey asmodai
[00:49:40] <alect> monsti: in the workflow branch, yes, otherwise, no
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[00:50:31] <marlun> So I've still not made Trac work on my server, if someone have time please take a look at my problem here http://www.nabble.com/Available-Projects-showing-empty-errors.-t1746452.html and tell me if you have any idea what could be wrong.
[00:50:45] <monsti> alect: i changed my mind and i think i don't use a ticket action
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[01:07:35] <marlun> Does trac has some kind of error log?
[01:08:15] <marlun> Because this is weird, Apache has the permissions it need and still I get some empty error when going to the Available projects path. Everything works great with tracd.
[01:08:25] <marlun> And there are no errors in Apache's error log.
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[01:10:19] <marlun> ah I tried to go directly to a project skipping the available project page, andnow I get some erro rin apache error log.
[01:11:47] <marlun> hmmm I don't understand this but maybe some of you do: http://marlun.pastebin.com/769305
[01:13:31] <alect> @logging
[01:13:31] <evil_twin> alect: "logging" is http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracLogging <-- Enable debug logging to file, ensure your environments log/ directory is writeable by your web server user, check for errors.
[01:13:31] <alect> hmmm
[01:18:17] <marlun> do I have to restart something to make it start using the log file? I changed log_type in trac.ini from none to file.
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[01:38:41] <marlun> looks like it has something to do with mod_python.
[01:43:26] <marlun> maybe I should test it with FastCGI instead.
[02:02:21] <marlun> Now I'm trying to get a single project trac enviorment to work instead of multiple project support and now I get another weird error: http://marlun.pastebin.com/769409
[02:02:37] <marlun> Why is it looking for a VERSION file in my trac-env folder?
[02:06:11] <marlun> ok found out why, an error in my httpd.conf.
[02:06:49] <cmlenz> http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracWebAdmin
[02:06:54] <cmlenz> what kind of dickhead is that?
[02:09:36] <marlun> hmmm =/ to bad they can't just walk away if they don't like something.
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[02:30:17] <marlun> What exactly should I add to apache's httpd.conf if I want to use FastCGI with Trac? I'm reading the wiki on FastCGI but I don't understand it. I've added this: http://marlun.pastebin.com/769447
[02:30:21] <marlun> but it doesn't seem to work.
[02:33:01] <bdash> marlun: define "doesn't work"
[02:33:50] <marlun> A big error and in the end: "EnvironmentError: The environment options "TRAC_ENV" or "TRAC_ENV_PARENT_DIR" or the mod_python options "TracEnv" or "TracEnvParentDir" are missing. Trac requires one of these options to locate the Trac environment(s)."
[02:34:57] <bdash> you can't use SetEnv with FastCGI
[02:35:27] <bdash> the wiki page tells you what to use
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[02:38:29] <marlun> arhg!
[02:38:37] <marlun> same empty error with FastCGI too.
[02:38:48] <marlun> I'm going crazy here.
[02:39:54] <bdash> do you have psqlite installed?
[02:40:21] <bdash> the error you posted earlier suggests it isn't
[02:43:12] <marlun> I have.
[02:44:05] <marlun> If I go into python and type "from pysqlite2 import test" and "test.test()" the test is successful.
[02:45:12] <marlun> bdash, it works if I use tracd, don't it use pysqlite?
[02:45:32] <bdash> you have > 1 version of Python then
[02:45:44] <bdash> or you have PYTHONPATH set in your shell
[02:45:48] <bdash> or something along those lines
[02:47:12] <marlun> I've got an Ubuntu Server install on the server, I may have both 2.4 and 2.3 or something like that.
[02:47:38] <bdash> make sure that you have both mod_pthon and tracd using the same version
[02:47:48] <bdash> and that that version has sqlite installed
[02:48:35] <marlun> how can I see which version they use?
[02:49:41] <marlun> when I did ./configure and compiling I did compile for 2.4.
[02:50:05] <bdash> mod_python is using pthon 2.4
[03:05:11] <marlun> then it should be using the same.
[03:05:19] <marlun> how do I know which version tracd uses?
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[03:27:35] <alect> evening
[03:30:57] <alect> gonna delete that TracWebAdmin page chris?
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[03:31:02] <alect> bam
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[03:32:14] <asmodai> alect: Bam bam?
[03:33:07] <alect> BAM BAM
[03:33:09] <alect> hey
[03:33:55] <asmodai> :D
[03:33:56] <asmodai> hello
[03:34:04] * asmodai eyes #searchable
[03:34:26] <alect> heh
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[03:34:55] <asmodai> Yeah, didn't know the main wiki content was in a div with that name
[03:35:06] <asmodai> guess it means the search button searches this text
[03:36:07] <alect> nah it's for the highlighting javascript
[03:36:44] <alect> so when you search for "foo bar" and click on a result, it will highlight any "foo" or "bar" in #searchable
[03:36:55] <alect> same with incoming google searches
[03:38:03] <asmodai> ah ok
[03:38:35] <asmodai> bam, another step closer to looking like the Python site
[03:38:44] <asmodai> alect: funny how trac is still the only candidate listed :D
[03:39:14] <alect> yes that is strange
[03:41:36] <asmodai> mmm, the menu is not yet 100%, but that's only visible if you switch between the two sites fast
[03:42:56] <asmodai> http://trac.in-nomine.org:81/ <-- how do you like the blue highlight of the paragraph symbol?
[03:43:02] <asmodai> alect: err, for you that was ;)
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[03:44:39] <alect> looking pretty good now
[03:44:53] <alect> except the menu intrudes on the main bit in the browser?
[03:45:23] <asmodai> alect: Which browser?
[03:45:30] <alect> /browser
[03:45:40] <asmodai> oh
[03:45:51] <alect> actually on every page except the wiki
[03:45:56] <asmodai> I need to align those still
[03:46:23] <alect> ooh and the timeline has some fruity tiling image
[03:46:34] <asmodai> Hahaha
[03:46:35] <asmodai> cool
[03:46:40] <asmodai> now where the hell did that come from now
[03:47:04] <asmodai> I swear, overriding default css rules with your own is cute ;)
[03:47:36] * asmodai adds some rules for the other pages to align 'm
[03:49:06] <alect> hmm you seem to be styling .wikipage and not #content?
[03:50:56] <asmodai> #content is also styled
[03:53:21] <alect> right...what i really meant was all those #content.wikipage, #content.ticket etc. could all be in #content
[03:53:56] <alect> then /browser, /timeline, etc. would automagically be margined correctly
[03:54:28] <alect> like this: http://swapoff.org/files/style.css
[03:57:46] <asmodai> Yeah, pushing some parts slowly up again. I had to reread some inheritance rules of CSS again. Part of this stuff is the old work of a few days ago
[03:58:06] <alect> righto :)
[03:58:27] * asmodai had wrong ideas of the inheritance in his head
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[04:00:38] <cboos> hi alect,
[04:00:52] <alect> hey cboos
[04:00:56] <cboos> it seems your last changes to the wiki syntax broke a few things...
[04:00:57] <alect> ticket threading rules! :)
[04:01:03] <asmodai> alect: Reason why I had that subdivision was that content was 3.5% margin-left, and the content.X was margin-left 16em
[04:01:08] <asmodai> ticket threading?
[04:01:16] <alect> cboos: such as?
[04:01:18] <cboos> heh, ticket comment threading...
[04:01:39] <cboos> I bet you didn't run the unit tests, did you ? ;)
[04:01:44] <alect> yep
[04:02:07] <cboos> the [TracLinks with labels] change broke relative links, like [../up/there thing]
[04:02:14] <cboos> that should be easy to fix
[04:02:30] <cboos> then, the reordering of the macro vs heading broke some macro related tests
[04:02:46] <cboos> but I didn't get the rationale for that change, can you explain a bit?
[04:02:46] <alect> ah yeah i ran the test prior to that...
[04:02:51] <alect> and it didn't pick up any errors
[04:02:52] <alect> ironic
[04:03:08] <alect> yeah it was matching macros
[04:03:56] <cboos> I mean, I don't quite get r3377, ''Fix for bug in wiki title linked shortcuts. '' Do you have an example?
[04:04:17] <alect> yes, it completely broke all macro calls
[04:04:40] <alect> roll it back and give it ago
[04:05:41] <alect> eg. [TracIni?]
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[04:05:50] <alect> that's how [[TracIni]] renders
[04:05:58] <cboos> you mean r3376 introduced that bug?
[04:06:48] <alect> correct
[04:07:17] <cboos> ok, I understand now.
[04:07:41] <alect> i've never used relative links
[04:07:53] <alect> they're fr path separated wiki pages i assume?
[04:14:12] <cboos> (sorry was away) no, relative links are relative to the server's root, so you can write things like [/downloads/myfile.zip ...]
[04:14:25] <cboos> ok, that's the "absolute" form of relative links
[04:14:27] <alect> aah
[04:14:57] <cboos> and you have [./something] and [../..] relative to the current location
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[04:16:34] <alect> i wish i'd known about them earlier :(
[04:16:41] <alect> i always do full links to /newticket
[04:17:05] <alect> is that documented somewhere?
[04:17:16] <cboos> hm, dunno
[04:18:00] <cboos> ah, yes: http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracStandalone#Servingstaticcontent
[04:18:14] <cboos> as it's mainly useful for people having only tracd
[04:18:42] <alect> perhaps it should be in TracLinks too..
[04:18:59] <cboos> ah no, wait, that was the documentation for the htdocs: thing
[04:19:08] <cboos> so, no, it's not documented yet
[04:20:00] <cboos> speaking about #2703, have you tried my last patch already?
[04:20:39] <alect> ooh no
[04:20:56] <alect> that wiki formatter code is hairy stuff
[04:21:47] <cboos> bbl
[04:22:16] <alect> check this out when you return: http://trac.pocoo.org/codetags
[04:23:01] <alect> that patch puts all the buttons on the left?
[04:23:24] <alect> actually not all, only the ones with no reply/follow-up stuff
[04:23:33] <asmodai> That is nice
[04:23:37] <asmodai> fixme and todo
[04:23:41] <alect> yeah that rocks
[04:23:46] <asmodai> Does it get it from the file?
[04:23:57] <alect> yep
[04:24:01] <asmodai> waaaa
[04:24:02] <asmodai> cool
[04:24:41] <asmodai> I reckon: FIXME: description
[04:24:43] <asmodai> ?
[04:25:09] <alect> what do you mean?
[04:26:12] <asmodai> It checks the file for, say, FIXME: description in the file and picks it out?
[04:26:43] <alect> ah, yeah
[04:31:03] <asmodai> very cool
[04:32:02] <asmodai> alect: is that a public plugin/thinghy?
[04:32:17] <alect> you can check the code out from svn
[04:32:26] <alect> link is under CodeTagsPlugin ont rachacks
[04:33:02] <asmodai> ta
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[05:49:26] <boorad> alect: are you the anonymous behind the original ticket #422 on hacks? Or did you just fix the description?
[05:54:43] <cboos> alect: I've fixed the wiki issues, see r3382
[05:59:09] <cboos> cmlenz: Hi, did you have a look at my fix for #2268?
[05:59:23] <alect> boorad: the latter
[05:59:34] <boorad> alect: ok
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[06:00:17] <boorad> have time to take a look, though? unicode and self aren't even on that line in the trace
[06:00:21] <cmlenz> cboos: looks good
[06:00:22] <alect> cboos: very cool :)
[06:01:14] <cboos> yeah, that was quite a surprise that the MoinMoin style actually worked with r3376 ... *That* was cool ;)
[06:01:30] <alect> boorad: perhaps he's using an old rev?
[06:01:46] <alect> cboos: heh yeah, luck ;)
[06:02:09] <alect> cboos: i tried your new reply patch
[06:02:30] <cboos> yep, and?
[06:02:45] <alect> cboos: the reply buttons are on the left hand side for any comments that aren't replies or replied
[06:03:08] <boorad> alect: nope, not even the 0.9 version
[06:03:09] <alect> but apart from that that's exactly what i envisaged
[06:03:16] <cboos> ah really, didn't notice that... I'll check
[06:04:23] <cmlenz> is that what's running on trac-hacks already alect ?
[06:04:32] <alect> cmlenz: yeah
[06:04:32] <cboos> alect: there's something that's bugging me with those comment threading changes: on IExplorer, now the border-bottom of the h3 sometimes disappears... That's odd.
[06:04:40] <alect> 3376
[06:04:49] <cmlenz> I think the disappearing buttons are very weird tbh
[06:04:57] <cmlenz> just saw them live for the first time :-P
[06:05:05] <alect> christian's latest patch gets rid of that magic i think
[06:05:22] <alect> at least it did on my test install :)
[06:05:45] <cmlenz> ah, I thought you had applied the patch on trac-hacks
[06:05:57] <alect> what was the reason for not styling form controls? they can't be overridden or something?
[06:06:02] <cboos> alect: correct, only the permalinks are autohidden now (as they've always been for the wiki headings)
[06:06:08] <alect> oh, no, sorry my mistake
[06:06:29] <cboos> the .inlinebuttons ?
[06:06:31] <cmlenz> alect: yeah, that was the reason
[06:06:33] <alect> cboos: right, cool, that's what i saw
[06:07:42] <alect> i was thinking of making the per-comment controls into an extension point in workflow
[06:07:58] <alect> and of course, converting "reply" to use that
[06:08:12] <alect> people request it fairly regularly
[06:08:27] <cboos> yes, why not?
[06:08:47] <cboos> ''Trac, plugins everywhere!''
[06:08:51] <alect> hehe
[06:08:53] <cboos> :)
[06:09:12] <alect> it's tricky where to draw the line
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[06:09:35] <alect> i keep feeling like there must be a better way to allow this kind of extensibility without the pain
[06:09:56] <cboos> I always have in the back of my head this TracObjectModelProposal, you know ;)
[06:10:06] <cmlenz> try not to overload the branch alect
[06:10:13] <alect> heh yeah i know
[06:10:15] <cmlenz> otherwise it'll never get merged ;-)
[06:10:23] <cboos> I know that ;)
[06:10:25] <alect> cmlenz: yeah it's feeling a bit like that already :\
[06:10:39] * asmodai wonders why he now has a horizontal scrollbar
[06:10:43] <cmlenz> a branch is good when it does what it's supposed to with the minimal amount of impact
[06:10:45] <alect> i think i'll take another pass over it to see if i can clean it up a bit
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[06:11:02] <alect> good point
[06:11:24] <alect> i particularly don't like the Field objects, it feels...crufty
[06:11:46] <cmlenz> yeah, same here
[06:12:18] <alect> perhaps i could convert them back into a simple data object and have the rendering in the ITicketTypeProvider
[06:12:57] <alect> cboos: i like your third suggestion re quicksearch/search btw
[06:13:13] <cboos> yep, haven't started coding it, though
[06:13:39] <alect> boorad: maybe close that as "worksforme" and see if the guy comes back? :)
[06:14:20] <boorad> well, I think it has to do with unicode values coming from the db - and I haven't looked in Trac code to see what that Unicode branch ever looked like
[06:14:20] <alect> cboos: those threading changes were extremely painful to merge into workflow :P
[06:14:37] <cboos> sorry alect , couldn't wait for 0.11 ;)
[06:14:55] <cboos> but yeah, I guess this was painfull...
[06:15:05] <boorad> is there an example of Unicode in some file that you guys know off the top of your head?
[06:15:18] <cboos> TracUnicode?
[06:15:29] <cboos> (it's utf-8 encoded)
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[06:16:17] <matt_good> cmlenz: does setuptools have a way to require versions of Python yet?
[06:16:31] <cboos> boorad: otherwise, if you have unicode issues, did you already have a look at the TracDev/UnicodeGuidelines?
[06:16:44] <cmlenz> matt_good: good question, I don't really know
[06:16:48] <cmlenz> I guess not though
[06:16:50] <boorad> no, but I will - hold on, putting a paste together
[06:17:52] <matt_good> cmlenz: maybe we should go ahead and support the 2.5 "sqlite3" module, but I was wondering how the setuptools branch could define the "extras_requires" for that
[06:18:13] <boorad> http://trac.pastebin.com/769912
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[06:19:27] <cboos> boorad: that looks more like a wrong order/number of argument problem...
[06:19:28] <boorad> I should have said unicode coming from the trac.ini file, which is where the self.perms[] are from
[06:19:45] <boorad> cboos: I thought about using named args
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[06:20:14] <boorad> but was a bit lazy and wanted to at least get it working
[06:20:15] <cboos> boorad: it's a typo:
[06:20:18] <cboos> self.perms['envname']. self.perms
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[06:20:30] <cboos> notice the ". self" should be ", self"
[06:20:46] <boorad> crap, commmas needed, not periods - thanks
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[06:22:58] <boorad> and an embarrassing paste - as I meant to go back and name the formatting args
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[06:25:14] <asmodai> cmlenz: Can I pick your experience for a second?
[06:25:22] <cmlenz> sure
[06:25:51] <asmodai> cmlenz: http://trac.in-nomine.org:81/ Why am I getting that horizontal scrolling bar?
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[06:26:07] <asmodai> oh duh
[06:26:09] <asmodai> I see
[06:26:10] <asmodai> :D
[06:26:14] <asmodai> it's the footer
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[06:26:39] <asmodai> At least, that seems the last logical part
[06:27:54] <cboos> speaking about horizontalitude... there's a ticket about the ticket module taking a fixed width, and sure that's easy to fix, as there's a width set to 700px. But is it a good thing to have this by default? Why not let the size unspecified in the default setup?
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[06:29:11] <alect> looks ugly as hell
[06:29:15] <cmlenz> cboos: that would make the tickets look quite awful on large screens
[06:29:25] <cmlenz> asmodai: not sure what the problem is
[06:29:26] * alect <- 1920x1200 == ugly as hell
[06:29:47] <asmodai> cmlenz: I think that 'visit the trac' part at the right bottom, gonna try something for it
[06:29:55] <cboos> asmodai: the trac.in-nomine.org site looks great btw!
[06:30:02] <asmodai> cboos: Thanks :$
[06:30:20] <asmodai> It's quite bizarre to have to rework a more <div> design to less <div>s
[06:30:42] <cboos> others: thx for feed back, I'll quote alect on that ticket ;)
[06:30:49] <alect> hehe
[06:31:16] <cmlenz> asmodai: that's much simpler than the other way around ;-)
[06:31:28] <asmodai> cboos: a px specification to a width almost always sucks in a way :(
[06:31:34] <asmodai> cmlenz: hahah, I can imagine that ;)
[06:31:34] <cmlenz> (assuming that trac has more divs than python.org)
[06:32:04] <asmodai> cmlenz: No :(
[06:32:28] <asmodai> python has 1-2 more for the content
[06:33:07] <cmlenz> ah
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[06:34:04] <cboos> (he, that ticket was #3126 and that was a guy with a Very Large Screen ; ))
[06:34:25] <asmodai> cmlenz: I got to do recalculation, thank god for DOM Inspector.
[06:38:20] <cmlenz> so, competition on the CallForTrackers is pretty overwhelming so far, eh? :-P
[06:43:51] <alect> haha yeah
[06:43:58] <alect> weird, i thought people would be jumping all over it
[06:47:47] <asmodai> bugzilla knows they'll loose ;)
[06:47:49] <cboos> asmodai: for site CSS customization, how did you proceed? By editing the site_css.cs?
[06:48:02] <cboos> Is that still the advised way to do this?
[06:48:42] <alect> good god, i hope bugzilla doesn't win
[06:50:09] <cmlenz> I'd say roundup has good chances
[06:50:30] <cmlenz> and leaving the python ecospace, maybe jira
[06:50:42] <alect> yeah
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[06:51:04] <alect> hopefully the trac svn integration will sway them
[06:51:44] <cmlenz> have you already setup email2trac?
[06:51:53] <alect> no not yet
[06:52:24] <cmlenz> I suspect that'll be really important
[06:52:30] <cmlenz> for the decision makers
[06:52:39] <boorad> Python uses SVN? didn't know that
[06:52:42] <alect> definitely
[06:53:01] <idnar> they changed over relatively recently
[06:53:02] <cmlenz> they switched away from SF VCS not that long ago
[06:53:08] <cmlenz> s/VCS/CVS
[06:53:20] <alect> i wonder if email2trac pre-quotes the whole email... {{{ }}}
[06:53:23] <idnar> roundup's e-mail integration is nice, but the database/web UI are rather icky
[06:54:14] <idnar> basically everyone ends up hacking all sorts of custom stuff into their database schema
[06:54:29] <alect> why's that?
[06:54:33] <alect> when extending?
[06:55:05] <idnar> yeah, I guess
[06:55:16] <idnar> I haven't really used roundup myself, that's just what I've seen/heard
[06:55:20] <idnar> erk: Report execution failed: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0x97 in position 0: unexpected code byte
[06:55:37] <cmlenz> I wonder whether anyone actually modifies siteconfig.py
[06:55:59] <asmodai> cboos: yes, site_css.cs
[06:56:08] <cboos> ok thansk
[06:56:09] <asmodai> cboos: pointing to a css file
[06:56:15] * idnar wonders how that happened
[06:56:33] <cboos> idnar: trunk?
[06:56:41] <cboos> what version?
[06:56:54] <idnar> trunk@3361
[06:57:28] <cboos> hm, well that's a bit worrying... any chance to get a backtrace?
[06:58:02] <idnar> using the query module trips what appears to be the same error and shows the backtrace
[06:58:18] <alect> i modify siteconfig.py :)
[06:58:24] <idnar> I'm more worried about what 0x97 bytes are doing in my trac database to begin with than about trac not handling them ;)
[06:58:29] <alect> only for dev though
[06:58:36] <idnar> lemme pastebin this
[06:58:56] <cmlenz> alect: to do what?
[06:59:02] <idnar> it seems to be a "simple" matter of non-utf8 data in the db, though
[06:59:21] <idnar> http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZcJeYq35.html
[06:59:27] <cboos> idnar: yes, that could be always be the case...
[06:59:48] <alect> just so i can have all the directories under ~/projects/trac/devel
[07:00:10] <idnar> hope this isn't fs corruption or something
[07:02:20] <cboos> idnar: what you could do is to add a debug statement in cursor execute, to see what is the exact query (and it's arguments), then use sqlite3 command line tool to retrieve that row manually
[07:02:46] <cboos> s/it's arguments/its arguments/ , rha, my english is so lame...
[07:02:55] <idnar> yeah, I'll do something like that just now
[07:03:03] <idnar> hmm, how can I activate setuptools for trac's setup.py?
[07:06:31] <idnar> hang on a sec, this codepath is only active if pysqlite2 isn't available
[07:06:46] <idnar> errk
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[07:14:30] <idnar> ok, so migrating to pysqlite2/sqlite3 made the problem go away
[07:15:56] <cboos> idnar: good! So you have tried sqlite3 from python 2.5? Did you need to adapt something?
[07:16:26] <idnar> no, haven't tried much of anything with python2.5 yet
[07:16:40] <cboos> ah, sorry, misunderstood
[07:16:59] <idnar> I didn't have python2.3-pysqlite2 installed for whatever reason, so all of these databases were using sqlite 2.x
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[07:27:18] <cmlenz> easy_install clearsilver