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looks like the trac-xref is a bit obsolete right now... the current plan is to revive it with only the trac-objects bits, and make the xref stuff into a plugin (but hopefully a core plugin, as the relationship stuff could be quite generally useful, like for ... ticket dependencies!)

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hey I got a questoin :)

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where are hte components/plugins loaded and stored ? in the env ?

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trac's env dir: /plugins

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umm no

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not physcally stored :)

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in the running system

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<alect>

back

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<alect>

prologic: trac/core.py

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<alect>

ComponentMeta

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hmm k

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:)

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<The_Tick>

http://project.colloquy.info/ticket/712 <- is that a bug?

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<The_Tick>

the giberish not wrapping

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<alect>

yep

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<cboos>

The_Tick: can you paste the original wiki text somewhere?

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<The_Tick>

ya, sec

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<The_Tick>

you guys need lisppaste

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<The_Tick>

http://paste.lisp.org/display/21252

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<alect>

#changelog .comment should probably be overflow: auto

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<cboos>

we're in the description here ...

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<alect>

err yeah sorry, i tested it in a comment :)

[02:02:58]

<alect>

same deal with the description i guess

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<cboos>

let me see...

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<The_Tick>

btw, that > stuff is fantastic

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<The_Tick>

I'm already starting to utilize it heavily on adium trac

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<alect>

yeah it is good stuff

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<cboos>

the "gibberish" is actually one big line... it gets folded in multiple line, only breaks at spaces. Maybe the blockquote itself should be made scrollable, as this happens also in a plain wiki page...

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<The_Tick>

yep

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<alect>

it does it even if it's outside a blockquote

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<alect>

ie. just long lines

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<cboos>

right

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<The_Tick>

the reason I'm concerned is that slashdot page widening bug you used to see in comments about a year or two ago

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<The_Tick>

would make pages really super wide, heh

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<The_Tick>

but I don't think it'll be seen in real use often

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<alect>

could break long lines in the formatter i guess

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<alect>

but what does "long" mean

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<The_Tick>

this is over 450 characters

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<The_Tick>

one idea

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<The_Tick>

would be to put up an ellipsis image or something

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<The_Tick>

in a button

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<The_Tick>

and it would expand the info

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<The_Tick>

so it'd give you the first 200 chars or something, and then more if you need it

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<The_Tick>

would help when users post very long debugging info/samples/emails

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<alect>

right but 200 characters on one persons screen may be 2 pages wide if their font is large

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<The_Tick>

ya, but better than 450

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<The_Tick>

200 was $n

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<The_Tick>

so whatever

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<alect>

overflow: auto seems to work, it's just applying it appropriately that's the trick...

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<cboos>

for a start, maybe we can put overflow: auto in blockquote.citation

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<cboos>

as it's done in pre.wiki, pre.literal-block

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<cboos>

bbl

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<The_Tick>

maybe something crappy could be done

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<The_Tick>

like the digg expand/retract comments thing

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<alect>

tick: can you log a ticket for that?

[02:59:44]

cute

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http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/

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didn't know they used trac

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<The_Tick>

everyone does

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'course any system fails if the people using it don't put notes and status updates here.

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asmodai: i see you fixed the css width errors on the psf tracker. nice.

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neuralis: Yessir.

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Also added the 'python' style to all buttons for forms

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asmodai: how much will you kick and scream if i steal your theme for the OLPC tracker? :)

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<hap>

hey everyone.

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<hap>

i see a "reports" tab on http://www.edgewall.com/gfx/screenshots/ticket.png, why don't I have that with my 0.9.4 version ?

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<hap>

is Reports == Tickets?

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<alect>

hap: yes

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<hap>

aah ok, i got it

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<hap>

sorry :)

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neuralis: it's python.org's design.

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<cboos>

ha, the screenshots should perhaps be actualized a bit... At least have a ScreenshotGallery page in the wiki ...

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neuralis: Can't take credit, I only molded it to fit trac's default divs and such

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cboos: I can create a bunch of screenshots easily here, want me to open a ticket with some new screenshots?

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<hap>

i feel like the default installation of trac is not as good as when you edit stuff

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<alect>

cboos: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/news/2006-06-14-wiki-page-as-pdf-plugin-enabled

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<alect>

contentconverter!!! :)

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<hap>

is there a wiki page giving advices of changes we should make to improve the default trac installation ?

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<alect>

hap: not really, but adding a few plugins can greatly enhance trac's features

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<cboos>

alect: yeah, we need to finish that soon... lots of small things to finish first though ;)

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<alect>

see the pdf link at the bottom? :)

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<hap>

alect: is http://trac-hacks.org/ the way to go then ?

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<alect>

sweet pdfs

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<alect>

hap: absolutely

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<alect>

lots of good stuff on there

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<hap>

ok, thanks! I always wanted to improve my tracs

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<cboos>

asmodai: no need to create a ticket... it's a wiki, simply bootstrap the ScreenshotGallery page ;)

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<cboos>

alect: the PDF generation is quite fast!

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<alect>

yeah it's not bad

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<alect>

cboos: i saw your comment on #1269. i was concerned about that when i wrote the patch..

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<cboos>

yeah, this is a bit mysterious, still

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<cboos>

alect: in your last blog posting, can you perhaps mitigate the fact that the IContentConverter interface is not yet finalized? ... before we see too many people jumping on that...

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<alect>

good thinkin

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<alect>

g

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<The_Tick>

hap: there's a plugin to admin users

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<The_Tick>

that alone would help tons

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<hap>

hmm ok

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<The_Tick>

it gets rid of the need for trac admins to have shell access

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<The_Tick>

separation of rights, sox compliance, etc

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<alect>

cboos: intertrac links don't seem to be consistent with normal trac links. eg. [t:milestone:0.10] renders as "milestone:10"

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<alect>

rather than "0.10"

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<cboos>

well, that's because the ns will be t, the target will be milestone:0.10 ...

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<alect>

ah right. still, it's not what a user would expect imo

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<hap>

The_Tick: that could be usefull if I provide trac for my customers, for sure.

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<hap>

The_Tick: do you have a link to that plugin?

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<The_Tick>

let me find it

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<The_Tick>

bah, I forget which one

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<hap>

The_Tick: is that http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/WebAdminPlugin ?

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<The_Tick>

ya, I think that's it

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<hap>

ok perfect, thanks

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<The_Tick>

LdapPlugin looks kinda fun

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<The_Tick>

http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/SpamFilter looks cool too

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<alect>

it sure is

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<alect>

goddam spammers

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<alect>

i hear they have horns

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<alect>

and a tail

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<The_Tick>

I hear they look like alect

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<alect>

pfft

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<The_Tick>

that's the response a spammer would give

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<cboos>

I mean, they are obviously "clever", as they always find their ways (like they did for the attachment stuff)

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<The_Tick>

hap: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/WikiGoodiesPlugin

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<cboos>

...yet they have no morality

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<alect>

yes it's strange

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<The_Tick>

no it's not

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<alect>

i mean, they must receive and be annoyed by spam themselves

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<The_Tick>

single script, bots, get paid per post per month

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<The_Tick>

eh, I dunno

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<The_Tick>

I've never been annoyed by spam

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<alect>

what?

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<hap>

me neither

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<hap>

i have private trac :)

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<alect>

heh

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<The_Tick>

oh we got it

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<The_Tick>

just never got annoyed at it

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<The_Tick>

ended up turning off anonymous though

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<alect>

meh

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<The_Tick>

which sucks for a oss project

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<The_Tick>

what does it take for a plugin to make it into the default trac distribution?

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<cboos>

be written by us ;)

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<alect>

hehe

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<cboos>

no seriously, there's no such thing like official plugins yet

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<cboos>

webadmin will certainly be in 0.11, though

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<The_Tick>

I'm thinking about setting up debian at work with a test setup

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<The_Tick>

and start hacking on it

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<The_Tick>

to learn python

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<alect>

you could do worse than learn python from trac

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<cboos>

yep, that's what got me to learn it... was a ruby addict before ;)

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<cboos>

(I still am, btw)

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<alect>

i'm not a fan

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<alect>

hrrmrm

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<The_Tick>

ruby looks nice

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<The_Tick>

honestly

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<The_Tick>

not sure about rails

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<cboos>

yeah, some quirks here and there ... some wonderful things here and there also ;)

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<The_Tick>

but ruby looks cool

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<alect>

i tried that attachments checkbox idea out cboos

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<alect>

but it doesn't make logical sense in some respects

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<cboos>

yeah, cool, and?

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<alect>

eg. you have just attachments checked and it shows all attachments

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<alect>

then you check 'wiki' and the number of visible attachments is reduced

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<alect>

not logical

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<cboos>

ah that attachment checkbox...

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<alect>

http://swapoff.org/files/attachment-timeline.diff

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<alect>

try it out if you're bored

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<cboos>

I thought you already implemented the idea I just wrote in #3176 ;)

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<alect>

haha no way :)

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<alect>

you tried the quickjump patch?

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<alect>

if there are no spectacular objections i'll commit it...

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<cboos>

not yet... finalizing a patch for multiline lhrefs ...

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<cboos>

(#3265)

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<alect>

ah that one

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<cboos>

... not sure I like the idea, but wanted to see if it was possible to implement it ;)

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<alect>

yeah it feels a bit...dirty

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question: the BlogShow macro from TracBlogPlugin is expected to truncate posts to post_size characters, right? so, what is wrong when i set post_size to 256, have a post with >400 characters in the first paragraph and the macro does not truncate?

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see http://trac.madwifi-test.otaku42.de/

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<cboos>

alect: so will the patch ;)

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<alect>

heh

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<alect>

otaku: i have noticed that also

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