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June 16, 2006

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[00:07:58] <otaku42> asmodai, matt_good: another idea: having a central site somewhere that can be used to grab updated filter rules. however, this might need some kind of "trust scheme" to prevent spam filter spamming.
[00:09:27] <otaku42> asmodai: you should adjust the link of the "trac logo" on trac.tendra.org, it's still pointing to example.org :)
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[00:13:42] <paulproteus> After I close a ticket, is there a way to have Trac automatically take me to the next open ticket or something?
[00:13:51] <paulproteus> That would be a more productive organization, I think.
[00:17:12] <otaku42> paulproteus: iirc there is no such functionality yet, but it should be possible to modify trac to achieve this goal
[00:17:34] <paulproteus> Hmm, trac-hacks.org?
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[00:18:10] <otaku42> paulproteus: personally, i work with several browser tabs. one for the list of tickets (either a report or the timeline), and from there i open a new tab for each ticket i modify.
[00:18:28] <otaku42> which gets closed when i'm done with the ticket.
[00:18:31] <paulproteus> Yeah, I think that's just what I'll do.
[00:18:41] <paulproteus> I'm used to Bugzilla, which I'm migrating us away from because it's so ugly.
[00:18:49] * paulproteus shudders at the memory of looking at Bugzilla
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[00:20:52] <otaku42> paulproteus: heh
[00:20:59] <asmodai> otaku42: Heh, it's still on my list to fix up.
[00:21:15] <asmodai> And my list is a tad too long
[00:23:55] <alect> evening
[00:24:39] <otaku42> asmodai: sounds familiar :)
[00:24:40] <otaku42> hi alect
[00:26:03] <asmodai> ey alectje
[00:26:10] <alect> !
[00:27:22] <paulproteus> For the severity and component form fields on the new ticket page, how can you set defaults so users don't just pick the first one?
[00:27:35] <paulproteus> I mean, I'd like to set "normal" as the default severity, but "blocker" alphabetizes higher than that.
[00:27:55] <paulproteus> Same with the "component"; the one most users file against is not the first alphabetically.
[00:28:13] <paulproteus> I'm tempted to just hack the form's HTML, but if someone has a better idea then we could give that a shot. (-:
[00:29:08] <paulproteus> (I'm talking about https://bugs.acm.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/newticket , in case there's confusion.)
[00:31:29] <otaku42> paulproteus: iirc there are fields in the trac.ini to set the default values of these fields.
[00:31:38] <paulproteus> Ah-hah.
[00:31:40] <paulproteus> I'll take a look!
[00:32:12] <otaku42> paulproteus: section [ticket], default_{version,component,type}
[00:32:24] <otaku42> oh, even more:
[00:32:38] <otaku42> paulproteus: section [ticket], default_{version,component,type,milestone,priority}
[00:32:52] * paulproteus wonders about default severity
[00:33:54] <otaku42> paulproteus: don't know, i just quoted the values i have in my trac.ini :) i think there could be more values which i just didn't use so far
[00:33:58] <paulproteus> Yup, that works too.
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[00:42:49] <paulproteus> otaku42, Thanks, you've been a great help!
[00:44:02] <otaku42> paulproteus: yw :)
[00:47:57] <paulproteus> Can tickets with different states (i.e., open, closed) have different colors?
[00:48:42] <paulproteus> https://bugs.acm.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/194 vs https://bugs.acm.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/173 I mean; both have the nice orangy background, but the closed one might be better with a blue background so it's easy to spot the difference.
[00:57:56] <alect> check the css
[01:04:06] <paulproteus> They appear to have the same CSS, so I guess it would take more template hackery to assign a class based on the status.
[01:07:11] <alect> probably be a good thing to have
[01:07:56] <asmodai> Mmm
[01:11:20] <paulproteus> https://bugs.acm.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/196 guys (-:
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[01:28:26] <otaku42> paulproteus: you should make use of {{{ and }}} for things like this :)
[01:28:43] <otaku42> paulproteus: for such pastes, i mean
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[01:34:05] <Sonderblade> can track be i18nized?
[01:34:11] <Sonderblade> trac
[01:35:53] <ranq_> you probably mean can it be l10nized
[01:36:25] <ranq_> (i dont know)
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[01:37:32] <Sonderblade> ok l10n
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[02:16:59] <asmodai> localized is only 1 character shorter and much clearer. :P
[02:17:34] <asmodai> err, longer I meant.
[02:28:21] <asmodai> alect: http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/trac-api/ :)
[02:28:47] <asmodai> alect: looks useful?
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[03:00:57] <asmodai> cboosje!
[03:04:02] <cboos> hello
[03:04:47] <asmodai> cboos: http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/trac-api/ think this is useful? If so I can give it a more permanent spot and keep it updated
[03:05:21] <cboos> yes, this looks useful!
[03:05:52] <asmodai> k, will move it to my other box that has more bandwidth
[03:05:59] <cboos> but what would be _extremely_ important there is the precise version info. Looks it's 0.10dev ... but which one ;)
[03:06:05] <asmodai> It is.
[03:06:11] <asmodai> of this week :)
[03:06:21] <asmodai> It's autogenerated from the source
[03:06:27] <cboos> I mean the r34xx info must be prominent somewhere ...
[03:06:43] <asmodai> I wonder if epydoc even looks at that.
[03:06:56] <cboos> I'm sure it can't
[03:07:06] <asmodai> http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/trac-api/
[03:07:08] <asmodai> errr
[03:07:09] <cboos> you certainly have to add that info explicitely yourself
[03:07:16] <asmodai> if you click on Package trac
[03:07:17] <asmodai> source code
[03:07:42] <asmodai> __version__ = '0.10-$Id$' would be better to use :)
[03:07:53] <asmodai> Although
[03:07:56] <cboos> no, it doesn't make sense, usually
[03:07:58] <asmodai> nah
[03:08:09] <asmodai> you're right, it's only the last Id of the update on that file
[03:08:10] <cboos> it would only contain the latest rev foir _that_ file
[03:08:12] <cboos> right
[03:08:14] <asmodai> right ;)
[03:08:17] <asmodai> jinx
[03:09:15] <asmodai> I'll put it up on the other box
[03:09:25] <asmodai> And see how to get that version info.
[03:09:32] <asmodai> Want to keep it updated daily at least
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[03:11:18] <cboos> I guess you should have a script that does the svn update, record the rev info it gets after that update command, then start epydoc and feed that version info in some custom message/header something. ..
[03:13:14] <asmodai> *nod*
[03:13:32] <asmodai> I'll get that running this weekend. And also start filling up documentation holes this exposes.
[03:13:39] * asmodai doesn't mind writing docs :)
[03:16:50] <LarstiQ> oh good
[03:16:57] <LarstiQ> asmodai: let me know when you're done with trac ;)
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[03:18:13] <asmodai> LarstiQ: Got both Django and trac on my list ;)
[03:19:17] * LarstiQ tacks bzr on the end of that
[03:21:00] <asmodai> Sorry. Only do svn and mercurial :)
[03:24:43] <LarstiQ> asmodai: aww, mercurial and bzr are close enough :)
[03:26:40] <Sonderblade> how do you do to remove existing reports?
[03:29:08] <asmodai> Sonderblade: with trac-admin you can typically remove a ticket with ticket remove <number>, could also be for reports
[03:29:16] <asmodai> Sonderblade: I am not sure about it though. :)
[03:29:49] <Sonderblade> asmodai: doesn't seem like it
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[03:32:26] <asmodai> Right, doesn't exist.
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[04:46:56] <Sonderblade> is it possible to change which tickets the query module displays by default when you press "View Tickets"?
[04:47:12] <Sonderblade> it is very annoying that when you are logged in it only displays tickets assigned to you
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[04:54:41] <ninian_> Hi, I'm looking for some help setting trac 0.9.5 on Gentoo.
[04:55:31] <Blackhex> ninian_: where are you stucked?
[04:56:59] <ninian_> Blackhex: I'm a little lost right now. I tried using this howto : http://www.gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Trac, but it didn't work too well. I've done it on ubuntu before (with your help) but had to switch to gentoo, and things are quite different...
[04:58:14] <Blackhex> ninian_: do you want to run trac under apache or use tracd?
[04:58:36] <ninian_> under apache. version 2.2.2
[04:59:00] <Blackhex> ninian_: mod_python or cgi?
[04:59:11] <ninian_> I'll be using cgi, ssl, and basic auth on it.
[05:00:38] <Blackhex> so try follow this http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracInstall
[05:00:48] <Blackhex> and http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracCgi
[05:01:18] <ninian_> ok
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[05:31:39] <boorad> alect, ping
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[05:50:01] <coderanger_> Morning all
[05:51:24] <Blackhex> coderanger_: morning
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[05:57:38] <Sonderblade> is there a way to get trac not to change page when you press alt+1, alt+2 etc?
[06:02:36] <coderanger_> Sonderblade: Change the templates or configure your browser to not do access_keys
[06:05:08] <Sonderblade> coderanger_: how change the templates?
[06:06:05] <coderanger_> @templates
[06:06:05] <evil_twin> coderanger_: Error: "templates" is not a valid command.
[06:06:57] <coderanger_> @learn templates as http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracInterfaceCustomization: Read this to customize your Trac
[06:06:57] <evil_twin> coderanger_: The operation succeeded.
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[06:08:10] <Sonderblade> i have read that page and it doesnt say anything about access keys
[06:13:01] <coderanger_> Grr
[06:13:06] <coderanger_> They are all over the place
[06:13:12] <coderanger_> some are in header.cs
[06:13:31] <coderanger_> most are in the indivdual nav contributers
[06:13:44] <coderanger_> I would file a ticket on p.e.c that they should be configuable
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[06:14:56] <Sonderblade> cool i will
[06:17:45] <coderanger_> There is probably some way to disable them in your browser too
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[06:19:54] <coderanger_> Do you use firefox?
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[06:28:05] <Sonderblade> yeah
[06:28:24] <coderanger_> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Accessibility.accesskeycausesactivation
[06:28:40] <Sonderblade> coderanger_: but that it is disableable isn't the point, the point is that the default behaviour shouldn't be as annoying as it is
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[06:30:06] <coderanger_> Its not annoying to most people ;-)
[06:30:38] <coderanger_> It actually helps navigate around our work Trac much faster
[06:30:57] <fl0w> hey0. I've followed the simple step-by-step guide found on trac-wiki/TracOnDebianSarge. My problem is that it only handles one project. Is it possible to have multiple svn repositorys and multiple trac projects but all under same "trac" page. As Edgewall themselves have?
[06:32:12] <asmodai> coderanger_: hey hey :)
[06:37:41] <coderanger_> fl0w: Somewhat
[06:38:03] <coderanger_> You can do something similar to subversion's parentpath directive
[06:38:10] <coderanger_> asmodai: Alo
[06:38:15] <fl0w> Ah.
[06:39:13] <asmodai> coderanger_: gonna put this up on a more permanent site and regenerate daily: http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/trac-api/
[06:40:29] <coderanger_> fl0w: Trac's multiproject support is currently very lacking
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[06:41:44] <coderanger_> asmodai: Nifty
[06:42:13] <coderanger_> Can you set it to not include the testing modules?
[06:43:20] <asmodai> coderanger_: Think so, need to check :)
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[06:52:04] <fl0w> Hm, coderanger_, thanks for your reply. Another question. I can assign group permissions as show in Trac/wiki/TracPermissions. But how do I add a user to a group? I use same authfile for both my svn and trac setup.
[06:56:04] <coderanger_> http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracPermissions#PermissionGroups
[06:58:14] <fl0w> oh, sorry, missed it .. Nice, very sorry about that :)
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[07:02:09] <NK`> is it possible to set original format as default when I browse source file ?
[07:02:38] <NK`> It would be helpfull for php project
[07:03:38] <NK`> unless there is a better way to do so
[07:03:42] <NK`> ?
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[07:17:19] <Blackhex> what is default tagspaces in TracTags plugin, please?
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[07:19:32] <coderanger_> Blackhex: usually things like "wiki" and "ticket" I think
[07:19:56] <Blackhex> coderanger_: so why get_tagspaces_provided() returns empty generator
[07:20:55] <coderanger_> No idea
[07:21:12] <Blackhex> coderanger_: ok, thanks
[07:22:17] <ranq_> hmm, i have trac workflow issues: i have list of tickets on the wiki page for given component: now, when i review the issues, click the ticket, and perform required action
[07:22:36] <ranq_> but going back to original list is not very nice; i have to press back twice, then hit reload
[07:22:42] <ranq_> any ideas to make this smoother?
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[07:54:23] <Sonderblade> is there a way to delete tickets?
[07:57:41] <fl0w> If you have added the TICKET_MODIFY or TICKET_ADMIN permissions, yea ..
[07:58:17] <Sonderblade> fl0w: i have TRAC_ADMIN
[07:59:10] <coderanger_> Sonderblade: Download TicketDelete from trac-hacks
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[08:03:04] <fl0w> I'll shut up now.
[08:04:54] <coderanger_> Ticket deletion was never expected to be needed, so it's not in the ticket system
[08:05:28] <coderanger_> as of the current trunk there is a trac-admin command for it, but TicketDelete is still needed if you want a web UI or if you want to be able to delete changes
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[08:10:45] <coderanger_> Is there a way for a WikiChangeListener to reject a new page?
[08:14:27] <coderanger_> Ahh, I want WikiPageManipulator
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[08:21:42] <berdandy> hi all -- got a quick question: is there any way of appending a default domain to usernames (like what's done in 0.10dev for emails) for the author field in Trac RSS feeds?
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[08:22:31] <coderanger_> berdandy: Not that I know of
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[08:28:50] <rollercow> how do i remove spam from a ticket?
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[08:30:04] <coderanger_> rollercow: Download TicketDelete from trac-hacks
[08:32:05] <rollercow> i dont want to delete the whole ticket, just one of the comments
[08:32:48] <coderanger_> Thats part of it
[08:32:56] <coderanger_> It does both whole tickets and changes
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[08:40:39] <fl0w> Hm, where can I add / change components?
[08:41:43] <rollercow> within trac-admin
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[08:50:28] <coderanger_> Or WebAdmin
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[09:29:15] <pabl0> hey
[09:29:31] <pabl0> I was wondering how to disable the 'browser'
[09:29:34] <pabl0> I'm doing:
[09:29:37] <pabl0> [components]
[09:29:37] <pabl0> browser.* = disable
[09:29:40] <pabl0> but it stills showing
[09:30:09] <klando> by removing right ?
[09:30:15] <klando> tracadmin
[09:30:55] <pabl0> ohh
[09:31:15] <klando> BROWSER_VIEW
[09:31:37] <pabl0> k
[09:31:39] <pabl0> thanks
[09:31:48] <klando> you're welcome
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[09:36:54] <paulproteus> Bye, you all, and thanks for the help!
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[09:43:59] <maxb> pabl0: "trac.versioncontrol.web_ui.browser = disabled" is what you were looking for, I think.
[09:44:34] <pabl0> maxb, yeah but removing BROWSER_VIEW (and only allowing registered users to see it) worked
[09:44:36] <pabl0> thanks anyway ;)
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[10:03:29] <pisi> Hi. what is the best way to enable custom authentication in trac? Nothing fancy from authorization point of view is needed - as long as everything is logged. Basically i'd like to be able to call a python function that would reply with 'username or None'
[10:04:02] <pisi> looking at trac-hacks.org i have several to choose from..
[10:04:42] <pisi> http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/GullibleAuthenticationPlugin ?
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[10:09:07] <coderanger_> pisi: AccountManger offers an extension point interface for that
[10:10:12] <pisi> hm. ok. basically i'm running behind non-apache thing and would like to get the 'intelligent username' from client certificates instead..
[10:12:14] <coderanger_> Yep
[10:12:27] <coderanger_> You are going to have to make something new for that
[10:12:38] <coderanger_> Just look at how things like TracCas and AccountManager work
[10:12:47] <pisi> well, everything is there. just neet to glue it together.
[10:13:14] <coderanger_> Exactly, it will need to be a new plugin though
[10:13:38] <pisi> it would be nice to just extend some class...
[10:14:15] <coderanger_> Yes, you can extend LoginModule just like TracCas does
[10:14:27] <coderanger_> You just need to replace the _do_login function
[10:15:03] <coderanger_> Well not replace, but extend
[10:15:42] <pisi> btw, what is CAS ?
[10:16:29] <coderanger_> A somewhat Kerberos-ish system for doing central authentication for webapps
[10:16:48] <pisi> interesting.
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[10:22:18] <De_Mon> I'm trying to use multiple pre-commit hooks with my svn/trac windows install... so how do I get svn to execute pre-commit.1.bat and pre-commit.2.bat
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[10:23:41] <coderanger_> De_Mon: It wont
[10:23:49] <coderanger_> You have to call them from the main post-commit
[10:25:03] <De_Mon> ugh. would just adding those to files to the post-commit handle the multiple exit paths
[10:25:25] <De_Mon> one might succeed the other fail, and the commit would still occur
[10:26:01] <coderanger_> Its easy to do on Unix, but I don't the Windows version of &&
[10:26:32] * De_Mon curses the popularity of windows
[10:29:32] <coderanger_> Its really not a very good server platform
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[11:14:15] <pacopablo> buenas
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[11:30:17] <tuxipuxi> http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/WorkFlow when will this be integrated in a trac release so that plugins can interfere ticket creation and modification?
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[11:52:22] <pacopablo> 0.11
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[12:38:54] <bnovc> how do i type __word without it underlining?
[12:39:09] <bnovc> do i need to put some invisible character in between
[12:39:12] <bnovc> or put html around it
[12:39:49] <Blackhex> try !__word i guess
[12:44:54] <bnovc> Blackhex: thanks
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[13:04:59] <Blackhex> anybody involved in trac tags plugin here?
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[13:07:48] <coderanger_> Blackhex: That would be muness and alec
[13:08:45] <Blackhex> alect probably sleeps now
[13:18:35] <tuxi|viva_mexico> pacopablo: when is this? 1.0 release?
[13:19:03] <coderanger_> tuxi|viva_mexico: 1.0 is a long way off
[13:19:19] <tuxi|viva_mexico> oh.. thought it'd be very close
[13:19:25] <tuxi|viva_mexico> so what's 0.11 supposed to be?
[13:20:43] <coderanger_> There is hope that 0.10 will be out before the end of July
[13:21:02] <coderanger_> 0.11 is probably going to be mid-Fall at the current rate of things
[13:21:55] <tuxi|viva_mexico> coderanger_: ah i see.. so no way to implement time tracking as a plugin before mid-fall? (with input checking and so on)
[13:22:08] <coderanger_> That is correct
[13:22:48] <tuxi|viva_mexico> thanks coderanger_
[13:23:18] <coderanger_> Ditto for security stuff too
[13:23:37] <coderanger_> Though I am probably going to move my office Trac to that branch soon
[13:31:22] <Blackhex> i think that trac hacks should start organize plugins to groops, their number heavy grows
[13:31:51] <coderanger_> Yeah, Alec and I have discussed it before
[13:31:58] <Blackhex> coderanger_: great
[13:32:18] <coderanger_> Thats part of what I hope my tracforge plugin to assist with
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[13:40:39] <matt_good> coderanger_: when you do, take a look at the Cheeseshop
[13:41:31] <matt_good> I guess new projects may need to pick some Trove classifiers, but it'd be good to read that information from the PKG-INFO file of existing plugins
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[13:49:01] <coderanger_> matt_good: Yep, I've been playing with PyPI and the remote interface stuff a bit lately
[13:51:12] <coderanger_> I just wish PyPI exposed some more of the setuptools data, specifically dependencies
[13:51:34] <coderanger_> Currently the only way to look at dependencies is to download the package
[13:53:02] <matt_good> yes, right now I believe it only supports distutils information
[13:53:34] <matt_good> parts of setuptools will make it into Python 2.5, but I don't think dependencies are directly supported
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[13:54:21] <coderanger_> Yeah, it would just be nice if it had some way to register arbitrary data headers
[13:54:35] <coderanger_> So that applications could store what they needed
[13:54:40] <matt_good> hmm
[13:54:55] <matt_good> there are fields for Requires, Provides, and Obsoletes
[13:55:08] <matt_good> http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=submit_form
[13:55:56] * matt_good really needs to update the Trac info
[13:56:08] <coderanger_> heh, yeah
[13:56:33] <coderanger_> Hmm, I wonder why setuptools doesn't populate those fields
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