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June 21, 2006

[00:00:24] <sgbirch> ok .. its working
[00:00:27] <sgbirch> thanks for your help
[00:00:59] <pacopablo> np
[00:01:00] <sgbirch> Can trac be used to do a subversion checkout?
[00:01:03] <pacopablo> no
[00:01:11] <sgbirch> shame
[00:01:17] <pacopablo> bed time for me, later
[00:01:23] <sgbirch> k ... cu
[00:02:04] <dreamingk> It's 15 o'clock now.
[00:02:25] <sgbirch> you go to bed at 3pm ? lol
[00:02:42] <sgbirch> 15 o'clock ... 1500
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[01:05:33] <asmodai> Moin cmlenz
[01:10:35] <cmlenz> morning asmodai
[01:11:49] <asmodai> :D
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[02:18:20] <Sonderblade> can pages in the trac wiki contain spaces?
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[02:20:56] <cboos> cmlenz: hi, it seems we have some big spam trouble on p.e.c going on right now...
[02:21:03] <cmlenz> I know
[02:21:08] <cmlenz> :-(
[02:21:16] <cmlenz> well, not spam ;-)
[02:21:18] <cboos> cmlenz: I added the offending lines in BadContent, but apparently that's not working
[02:21:44] <cboos> ... though testing for the same content locally, it works
[02:21:47] <cmlenz> yeah, I'm checking the log
[02:22:31] <cboos> could that be that the content we're seing in the mail is not the same that is sent/examined in 'content' ?
[02:25:56] <cmlenz> I don't think so
[02:26:14] <cmlenz> apparently, the Seer submissions are not even routed through the spam filter
[02:26:19] <cmlenz> at least there's nothing in the logs
[02:26:30] <cboos> ... how's the plugin installed?
[02:26:51] <cboos> could that be the 'local plugins need to be enabled' issue?
[02:27:58] <cboos> i.e. http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/ticket/3288
[02:29:44] <cmlenz> I think that issue was only introduced recently
[02:29:56] <cmlenz> p.e.c hasn't been updated lately
[02:30:18] <cboos> what is it running, btw?
[02:30:23] <cmlenz> well, but obviously I'll need to update it now :-|
[02:31:18] <cmlenz> r3273
[02:31:45] <cboos> ah, ok, so yes, that's indeed before r3371 :)
[02:32:17] <cboos> but maybe alect was wrong and the issue is a bit older ...
[02:33:51] <cmlenz> well, tracspamfilter was explicitly enabled in trac.ini anyway
[02:35:17] <cboos> ok, so it's not that... but you don't see any SpamFilter related messages in the log, or just none related to the 'Hi all' content?
[02:37:08] <cboos> ha, now we see all those buy-xanax attachments ;)
[02:38:17] <cmlenz> hehe
[02:38:42] <cmlenz> hmm, where's the icon
[02:38:49] <cmlenz> is there no attachment filter for the timeline?
[02:39:18] <cboos> no, the 'wiki' and 'ticket_details' are reused for that
[02:40:18] <cmlenz> okay
[02:40:22] <cboos> and the icon should probably be copied to the www.edgewall.com server, as I think the static content is served by a lighthttpd server there
[02:40:23] <cmlenz> so I'll enable ticket_details then
[02:42:21] <cboos> (should be: http://www.edgewall.com/trac_chrome/attachment.png)
[02:42:36] <cboos> ah, and it's indeed there
[02:42:57] <cmlenz> yeah, cached stylesheet problem
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[02:43:12] <cmlenz> can you go through those spam attachments and remove them?
[02:43:16] <cboos> yep
[02:43:21] <cmlenz> then I'll try to figure out what's happening with the Seer bot
[02:43:53] <cboos> but I don't see them in the HTML timeline, only in the RSS one... maybe they've already been removed?
[02:44:49] <cmlenz> I still see them in the HTML timeline
[02:44:58] <cmlenz> the wiki attachments anyway
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[02:45:16] <cmlenz> and for tickets too
[02:45:25] <cboos> hm, weird
[02:45:41] <cboos> I see the ticket attachments now with ticket_details=on
[02:45:55] <cmlenz> so it looks like the last Seer comment was almost 20 minutes ago, before you added the phrase to BadContent
[02:46:00] <cmlenz> at least according to the timeline
[02:46:43] <cboos> ah so it did work... I kept receiving mails, that's why I was worried it didn't work
[02:46:53] <cboos> but there's some latencies with that...
[02:47:00] <cmlenz> yeah, probably a backqueue
[02:47:17] <cmlenz> I'll whip up an sql query to remove those comments that didn't change any other field
[02:47:23] <cboos> super ;)
[02:47:49] <maxb> cmlenz: Did you develop a gut feeling on that bit of #1890 ?
[02:48:16] <cmlenz> sorry didn't get a chance yet :-/
[02:48:18] <cmlenz> hopefully today
[02:48:38] <maxb> Ok, no problem, just curious.
[02:49:39] <cboos> ah! sorry the wiki attachments are a bit older (I have a link on the timeline with only 3 days back...) I see them now, will delete them all ;)
[02:51:40] <maxb> cboos: Since you are here, I'll ask your opinion too - the bit of #1890 that you suggested be merged - do you think the "Your username or email" fields should be _removed_ or _disabled_ for authenticated users?
[02:53:07] <cboos> I would say removed, but I haven't tried the patch yet, so I can't yet tell if the layout is not perturbed by this removal...
[02:55:03] <Sonderblade> is there a way to center align images in the wiki? Image(foo.jpg, align=center) doesn't work
[02:59:41] <cmlenz> all cleaned up :-P
[02:59:54] <cboos> yipee!
[02:59:58] <cmlenz> Sonderblade: you'll need to wrap it in a div with "text-align: center" style
[03:00:56] <Sonderblade> cmlenz: so its a bug in trac?
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[03:01:29] <cmlenz> no
[03:01:31] <cboos> Sonderblade: align now translates to float style ... and there's no center float
[03:01:37] <cmlenz> a bug is something that is broken ;-)
[03:02:35] <Sonderblade> if align == "center": then do something that centers the image else: do float thing
[03:03:52] <cboos> Sonderblade: patch welcomed ;)
[03:04:31] <cmlenz> one problem is that we can't really assume the image isn't supposed to be displayed inline
[03:04:45] <cmlenz> so just always wrapping it in a div might not be that good an idea
[03:05:58] <Sonderblade> yeah, but some AI in Trac so that align=center actually dwim would be good
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[03:09:48] <ValiSystM> hello
[03:10:37] <ValiSystM> i can't make a delete wiki pages, vente after granted TRAC_ADMIN and WIKI_ADMIN with trac-admin
[03:10:59] <ValiSystM> i can't make a user delete wiki pages
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[03:11:37] <ValiSystM> grrr, damned keyboard
[03:11:45] <tuxipuxi> are you sure that you are logged in as a user which has these permissions?
[03:12:15] <cboos> cmlenz: so you actually updated to r3432, right?
[03:12:55] <cmlenz> yeah
[03:13:16] <cboos> ok, I wrote that in the milestone descr, as a reminder.
[03:13:33] <ValiSystM> can i rely on the "logged in as" on pages ?
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[03:14:13] <ValiSystM> if i can then yes, i'am sure
[03:15:27] <ValiSystM> no other point to check ?
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[03:16:23] <cboos> ValiSystM: ah that could actually be a bug
[03:16:39] <ValiSystM> goosh
[03:16:47] <cboos> I spotted that yesterday, while doing some other changes in trac/wiki/web_ui.py
[03:17:08] <cboos> you explicitely need the WIKI_DELETE permission
[03:17:20] <ValiSystM> ok
[03:17:55] <cboos> (I think)
[03:18:03] <cboos> try it...
[03:18:34] <ValiSystM> the weird point here is that i have another project with users only with TRAC_ADMIN and WIKI_ADMIN that can delete pages, but i'll try right now
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[03:19:51] <cboos> though TRAC_ADMIN should be enough...
[03:20:34] <ValiSystM> yep i know :) ealy days mistake though
[03:20:40] <ValiSystM> woo, i found
[03:21:51] <ValiSystM> not really a bug, but i don't think that trac admin should accept when you invert user name and privilege name ^^
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[03:38:58] <cboos> ValiSystM: yeah, forgot what I said about the "bug", just learnt how those "meta" permission worked ;)
[03:39:34] <ValiSystM> ^^
[03:40:16] <ValiSystM> but permissions are checked uncorrectly, there is already a ticket
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[04:22:26] <asmodai> cmlenz: Erhm, I thought your email about p.e.c. was merely informative, I wonder why there was a reply about 0.10 and overdoing it.
[04:24:08] <cmlenz> because we've been running an unstable version on p.e.c for months now and haven't released it to the public yet :-D
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[04:25:57] <asmodai> Ah in that aspect.
[04:26:06] <asmodai> And release is relative. ;)
[04:26:09] <asmodai> the SVN repo is open for all.
[04:26:23] <asmodai> Just no official sanctified tarball with a 0.10 name ;)
[04:26:36] <asmodai> You gonna nickname the release as " The Long Wait" ?
[04:26:38] <asmodai> ;)
[04:30:15] <cmlenz> no, that was the last one already :-P
[04:30:20] <cmlenz> this one is still shorter
[04:31:02] <asmodai> " The Shorter Long Wait "?
[04:31:13] <LarstiQ> "Shorter Still"
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[05:50:36] <coderanger_> morning y'all
[05:51:16] <coderanger_> I just got a ticket on trac-hacks that a plugin isn't compatible with MSSQL, did someone actually make a new backend for that?
[05:51:41] <asmodai> Yech
[05:51:42] <asmodai> [14:35] <<+wbb4>> trac would rock if it could integrate with zope
[05:52:05] <asmodai> AFAIK MSSQL is either adodbapi, and that apparently isn't maintained
[05:52:17] <asmodai> and the other one pymssql or something has issue or god knows what
[05:53:57] <coderanger_> Zope is like the Borg, you don't integrate with it, you just get consumed by it
[05:54:25] <asmodai> lol
[05:54:39] <asmodai> As I quoted someone else:
[05:54:39] <asmodai> Some things have a learning curve. Zope has a learning asymptote.
[05:54:57] <asmodai> [14:36] <+wbb4> asmodai, looking at trac's design from its source, it's
[05:54:57] <asmodai> perfectly suited to zope
[05:54:57] <asmodai> [14:37] <<+wbb4>> I just don't see the point of having something else running
[05:54:57] <asmodai> that serves http
[05:54:57] <asmodai> [14:38] <<+wbb4>> I've got lighttpd and zope already
[05:55:27] <coderanger_> I mean if zope can act a WSGI gateway it should work in theory
[05:55:52] <coderanger_> But I can see no good reason to do such a thing
[05:56:05] <asmodai> Neither can I.
[05:56:08] <asmodai> And considering this:
[05:56:13] <asmodai> 'sides wbb4, trac runs typically as cgi or fcgi or mod_python with a webserver. the tracd is only a test environment
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[06:06:25] <maxb> coderanger_: You can take the fallback out of TocMacro again - the fix to make wiki.page_name always be set is now in trac trunk.
[06:07:27] <coderanger_> okay
[06:07:42] <maxb> Although, cboos has pointed out that wiki.page_name is affected by [wiki]split_page_names - I guess no one uses that option with TocMacro :-)
[06:08:01] <asmodai> Useful, java:
[06:08:09] <asmodai> java.text.DateFormat
[06:08:13] <asmodai> java.text.SimpleDate
[06:08:17] <asmodai> and java.util.Date
[06:08:33] <coderanger_> http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracIni
[06:08:38] <coderanger_> grumpy formatter?
[06:11:14] <coderanger_> asmodai: Datetimes in general are annoying
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[06:16:06] <alect> evening
[06:17:37] <coderanger_> alect: alo
[06:21:37] <asmodai> coderanger_: Just wonder why three different modules ;)
[06:23:26] <asmodai> alect: dude, #3288 - cmlenz said 't might be due to recent changes you made for the system-wide plugin directory?
[06:23:48] <cmlenz> emphasis on *might* :-P
[06:24:29] <alect> right, i commented to that effect in the ticket
[06:24:41] <alect> it works for me on my dev env
[06:25:25] <asmodai> alect: broke my plugins on my environment.
[06:25:29] <asmodai> alect: And got spammed *grin*
[06:26:59] <asmodai> wow
[06:27:00] <asmodai> 4th entry
[06:27:15] <asmodai> http://www.solitone.org/scarab-demo/issues for Python's tracker
[06:33:44] <alect> hmm
[06:33:52] <alect> this is actually a little bit trickier than one would suspect
[06:34:24] <alect> if the plugin is installed via "setup.py develop -d /some/dir" the egg location is the actual source directory
[06:34:50] <alect> so you can't really compare it to the env directory to determine whether it's local or not
[06:35:09] <alect> anyway, no more time to look at it unfortunately :(
[06:35:11] * alect waves
[06:35:55] <cmlenz> scarab... they can't be serious about that
[06:37:28] <cmlenz> that thing has been in 1.0 beta-something for more than 5 years IIRC
[06:37:47] <alect> chris, somebody found a spamfilter bug: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/PageToLatexPlugin
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[06:59:15] <exarkun> How do I remove a comment from a ticket?
[06:59:55] <asmodai> exarkun: WebAdmin + TicketDelete
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[07:03:52] <exarkun> asmodai: The description says it is for deleting tickets. Is that an incomplete description?
[07:05:49] <exarkun> Okay, I just installed it, and indeed it does do what I want. :) Thanks.
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[07:09:22] <coderanger_> Okay, I really need to go fix the page for TicketDelete
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[07:15:35] <mef> hi, I'm currently using trac 0.9.5 using FastCGI and using TRAC_ENV_PARENT_DIR instead of TRAC_ENV in order to use multiple projects. Does anyone know if I can use the trac post-commit hook with my setup (it has a config var that needs to be set to TRAC_ENV), or if it's easy to modify it to do so?
[07:19:48] <coderanger_> mef: Well you just point to each env on its own
[07:20:33] <coderanger_> the ENV_PARENT stuff just means that you don't need to setup each individual env, but they are full Trac envs on their own
[07:23:42] <iloveitaly> I'm having trouble installing additional plugins. When I go the webadmin's plugin page and attempt to upload an egg, it gives me "failure to upload" error (or something to that effect)
[07:23:42] <iloveitaly> any ideas?
[07:24:17] <coderanger_> Can you install them normally?
[07:25:02] <iloveitaly> You mean uploading them into the /plugins directory?
[07:25:02] <iloveitaly> no
[07:25:07] <iloveitaly> it doesn't seem to owrk
[07:26:46] <iloveitaly> It's almost like the Trac isn't reading anything from the environments /plugin directory
[07:26:46] <iloveitaly> BTW, I'm on a shared server
[07:26:46] <coderanger_> Is this on a recent trunk?
[07:26:47] <iloveitaly> I'm using Trac .9.5
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[07:33:24] <coderanger_> yay for IRC hiccups
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[08:11:29] <cdigs> Has anyone installed/tested/tried the TinyMce plugin by chance?
[08:12:58] <matt_good_> alect: on the python-trac I can't click on the metanav links
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[08:13:26] <matt_good_> looks like there's a div on top of them which is getting the clicks
[08:13:48] <coderanger_> matt_good_: Yeah, its the search box
[08:13:54] <coderanger_> asmodai was working on it I think
[08:14:16] <coderanger_> The "About Trac" link should work after the "A"
[08:14:21] <matt_good_> yeah, I guess it's actually the <form> element
[08:15:38] <matt_good_> otherwise the site looks really good
[08:16:26] <matt_good_> alect: have you attempted to import the SF dump?
[08:25:27] <coderanger_> i think cboos is still working on dealing with formatting in the dump
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[08:32:51] <maxb> I tried to use the dump tools to dump another sf project into trac, but it looks like sf's pages are now so broken that html tidy can't tidy them.
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[08:35:56] <De_Mon> can I replace 'Type' with 'Severity' using a custom report?
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[08:38:35] <De_Mon> bah, I'll just cheat and say t.type AS Severity
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[09:11:11] <coderanger_> You can directly run checkouts? nifty!
[09:11:20] <De_Mon> huh?
[09:11:48] <coderanger_> Just found an interesting feature
[09:12:08] <De_Mon> tell me more
[09:12:29] <De_Mon> you're using 0.10dev or 0.9.5?
[09:16:12] <coderanger_> Its not related to your question
[09:16:42] <coderanger_> Just a random thing thats helpful to developers
[09:17:59] <De_Mon> my question was finished 20min ago. I asked about your comment because i'm interested
[09:18:16] <matt_good_> coderanger_: using the setuptools "develop"?
[09:18:20] <De_Mon> searching for 'directly run checkouts' will probably not tell me much
[09:20:15] <coderanger_> matt_good_: No, the default_dir function has handling for finding the default files if run from a source checkout it looks like
[09:21:04] <coderanger_> matt_good_: If you have a free second, can you take care of #3299, its trivial but annoying
[09:23:38] <De_Mon> how can I generate an html page of a 'diff' using the same format trac does?
[09:24:13] <coderanger_> De_Mon: {{{#!diff }}}
[09:25:53] <De_Mon> err, I was looking more for a commandline, what's that wiki syntax?
[09:25:59] <matt_good_> coderanger_: done
[09:26:25] <matt_good_> De_Mon: yeah, you can use that in the wiki
[09:26:35] <coderanger_> matt_good_: Thanky
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[09:27:32] <matt_good_> De_Mon: there's no CLI interface to the Trac diff renderer
[09:27:46] <matt_good_> you could use something like enscript to get highlighted output
[09:28:22] <mef> Is there any way to administer components/versions/milestones from the web interface rather than having to log into a shell and use trac-admin?
[09:28:28] <coderanger_> @webadmin
[09:28:28] <evil_twin> coderanger_: "webadmin" is http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/WebAdmin
[09:28:41] <mef> thanks coderanger_
[09:31:45] <De_Mon> my latest attepmt was: enscript test.diff -w html -p test.html, which unsurprisingly didn't work
[09:34:04] <coderanger_> hmm, re #3288, I don't know how [3371] didn't cause a total failure in the loader
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[09:35:30] <matt_good_> De_Mon: enscript test.diff --color -Ediffu -w html -p test.html
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[10:00:07] <asmodai> matt_good_: I already sent that info to alect how to get it fixed
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[10:00:23] <shawn_work> would it be best to use 0.10 in SVN for production or not yet?
[10:00:26] * asmodai will check and poke again
[10:00:38] <asmodai> shawn_work: I use it for trac.tendra.org - good against spam
[10:00:52] <shawn_work> we're trying to see if we can use trac in a 'waterfall' development process
[10:01:02] <shawn_work> ie, QA controls bugs being closed and such
[10:01:14] <shawn_work> so im trying to see how this can be done
[10:01:33] <asmodai> www.trac-hacks.org has lots of extensions
[10:01:38] <shawn_work> i installed many
[10:01:41] * asmodai goes for dinner
[10:01:56] <shawn_work> the code review plugin is nice, but its not tied into a ticket
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[10:03:05] <coderanger_> shawn_work: You may want to look at the workflow branch
[10:03:18] <puggy> Can someone tell me how to use non-US date format in Trac? dd/mm/yy
[10:03:21] <shawn_work> where can I find that?
[10:05:19] <coderanger_> puggy: Change your locale
[10:05:33] <coderanger_> Trac uses whatever the "system locale" is
[10:05:33] <puggy> coderanger_: of trac?
[10:06:14] <coderanger_> asmodai: Did you mean that for me?
[10:06:28] <coderanger_> shawn_work: look in /sandbox/workflow
[10:06:47] <shawn_work> ok
[10:06:56] <shawn_work> building a 0.10 spec file
[10:07:16] <puggy> coderanger_: I googled it and some people are saying something about changing apaches locale.
[10:07:53] <coderanger_> puggy: Yes, it would be inherited from there if you set it
[10:08:07] <coderanger_> You can also change the global system locale
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[10:08:44] <coderanger_> shawn_work: Its still experimental, but it offers the possibility of things like you said
[10:08:55] <shawn_work> oh so this is in 0.10
[10:09:51] <coderanger_> No, it is its own development branch
[10:10:05] <coderanger_> it will be merged in to the main code after 0.10 is out
[10:11:20] <shawn_work> Thank you for choosing Trac 0.10dev. Enjoy your stay! :)
[10:11:21] <shawn_work> I see
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[10:12:47] <coderanger_> Alec tries to keep it sync'ed to the main 0.10 tree, but its not always perfect
[10:13:45] <shawn_work> I'd like to try that
[10:13:56] <shawn_work> i just built trac 0.10-1.noarch.rpm from SVN head
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[10:16:58] <shawn_work> i wonder if i can just patch the workflow branch into head and see if it works :)
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[10:17:23] <puggy> coderanger_: So I set LC_ALL and LANG in my global environment and (As I needed to anyway) rebooted. Nothing changed.
[10:17:33] <puggy> I set them to en_GB
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[10:17:41] <no_maam> hi
[10:17:42] <shawn_work> hmm nope ;)
[10:17:52] <coderanger_> shawn_work: No, its very different
[10:18:05] <no_maam> Does anybody know, if there is something like free trac hosting?
[10:18:10] <shawn_work> coderanger_: I see
[10:18:12] <coderanger_> puggy: Try ro_RO, thats what trac-hacks uses
[10:18:18] <coderanger_> no_maam: TracOS
[10:18:27] <puggy> coderanger_: what locale is that?
[10:18:38] <no_maam> sourceforge.net ist really good, you cannot access your svnroot from the webserver there
[10:18:57] <shawn_work> coderanger_: i guess 0.10 is coming soon based on the 88% complete rate
[10:19:11] <coderanger_> no_maam: tracos.org, free Trac hosting to FOSS projects
[10:19:14] <shawn_work> so the workflow branch introduces QA ?
[10:19:23] <coderanger_> shawn_work: Its been "soon" for 2 months now
[10:19:30] <shawn_work> ugh
[10:19:34] <coderanger_> shawn_work: It makes the ticket system totally modular
[10:19:46] <shawn_work> oh that is radical
[10:20:07] <puggy> coderanger_: can't this just be set in my trac.con