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June 25, 2006

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[01:02:36] <chendo> uh
[01:02:43] <chendo> where do i get the site-packages for svn for 2.4?
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[01:09:51] <alenoosh> i created a simple htdigest file and started tracd to use that file,browsed to a project and, when i selected "login", got this error : "error: (32, 'Broken pipe')"
[01:11:12] <alenoosh> what's wrong with that?
[01:19:29] <alenoosh> s/login/logout/
[01:20:21] <alenoosh> that happens only when I click logout link
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[01:33:32] <alenoosh> i created a simple htdigest file and started tracd to use that file,browsed to a project and, when i selected "login", got this error : "error: (32, 'Broken pipe')"
[01:33:53] <alenoosh> sorry s/login/logout/
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[02:02:16] <chendo> well
[02:02:31] <chendo> lets say i have SJIS text files i want to display properly in the browser, how would i do that?
[02:02:52] <chendo> cause currently the japanese text is corrupted when i switch to SJIS in the browser
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[04:30:51] <jborg> yah, only 13 open tickets on 0.10
[04:31:00] <jborg> and a lot of them are "only" enhancements
[04:36:59] <zquirm> anyone around here using lighttpd with trac ?
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[05:06:15] <coocoon> hello
[05:08:26] <coocoon> is here also a pastebin possibility
[05:08:49] <coocoon> i got an socket error after tracd --port 8000 /var/lib/trac/foo
[05:09:55] <coocoon> Exception happened during processing of request from ('host IP', 34364)
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[05:41:02] <asmodai> zquirm: yea
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[06:07:57] <coocoon> hello anyone here
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[06:14:35] <nuclearsanta> how do you access trac once its installed? (ive looked in the documentation already)
[06:15:36] <neuralis> nuclearsanta: you either run tracd or you set up access through a webserver proper (apache, lighttpd, etc).
[06:16:43] <nuclearsanta> i set it up with apache.. and edited the trac.conf file .. restarted it..but i dont know how to access it after that :(
[06:17:00] <coocoon> me too
[06:17:59] <neuralis> nuclearsanta: well, if you set it up via cgi, it'll be in your server's /cgi-bin/ directory. if you used mod_python, it will be wherever you configured it to be.
[06:18:53] <nuclearsanta> yes, i have checked that. There is trac.cgi in my cgi-bin dir, but it does not oppen.
[06:20:21] <neuralis> what's the error?
[06:21:37] <nuclearsanta> apaches not configured right, nevermind
[06:24:31] <nuclearsanta> TRAC_ENV or TRAC_ENV_PARENT_DIRare missing..
[06:27:25] <nuclearsanta> any help?
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[06:30:32] <maxb> nuclearsanta: Read the documentation on the trac website
[06:30:59] <maxb> http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracInstall
[06:32:38] <nuclearsanta> i have trac installed
[06:32:46] <nuclearsanta> i can use the trac-admin command...
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[07:36:29] <bnovc> http://projects.edgewall.com/trac - how is that main menu added in? none of the templates seem to go there and its not done w/js
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[07:42:17] <chendo> can trac only allow a certain directory and/or files in the repository to a certain group of people?
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[07:52:27] <chendo> and is it possible to delete a ticket?
[07:52:53] <CapNemo> chendo, i have the same question ;) but it seems not
[07:53:08] <CapNemo> except by closing it
[07:54:05] <chendo> hmm
[07:54:23] <idnar> there's a TicketDelete plugin
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[07:54:37] <chendo> :o
[07:54:44] <idnar> (or you could edit the database directly, of course :P)
[07:54:48] <chendo> and how do you get those milestones thing out of the submit ticket thing
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[08:36:40] <maxb> chendo, CapNemo: http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/FineGrainedPermissions http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TicketDeletePlugin
[08:37:12] <maxb> chendo: "get those milestones thing out of the submit ticket thing" <--- clarify, please?
[08:38:02] <chendo> when i submit ticket it has a milestone1, milestone2, etc in the bit
[08:38:16] <maxb> bnovc: Well, you can do pretty much anything you want with the templates, I'd assume that adding a memu isn't too hard.
[08:38:43] <maxb> chendo: If you don't want to use the milestone functionality at all, simply delete all milestones (in trac-admin)
[08:39:16] <chendo> oh
[08:39:21] <chendo> i was looking for it in webadmin
[08:39:30] <bnovc> webadmin?
[08:40:16] <maxb> webadmin can do it too, if you have a recent enough version
[08:40:17] <chendo> yah
[08:40:19] <chendo> whatever module
[08:40:41] <maxb> @webadmin
[08:40:42] <evil_twin> maxb: "webadmin" is http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/WebAdmin
[08:40:49] <maxb> bnovc: ^
[08:42:15] <chendo> cool, fixed
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[09:06:40] <chendo> hmm, i can't actually log out >_<
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[10:09:05] <prologic> Is there any irc bot around for trac that'll listen to trac/wiki links and spit out the absolute url ?
[10:09:31] <Blackhex> prologic: hi
[10:09:37] <prologic> hi :)
[10:10:33] <tuxipuxi> cmlenz: do you intend to replace the demo trac project with mine? ;)
[10:11:57] <Blackhex> prologic: when you'll have little free time could you fix something in my trac environment please?
[10:12:02] <CapNemo> maxb, thanks for the docs
[10:14:30] <prologic> Blackhex, sure shoot what is it ?
[10:19:29] <Blackhex> prologic: I don't have write acces to svn and when I want edit report SQL statement it is not saved.
[10:19:41] <Blackhex> prologic: so permission problems again
[10:21:01] <prologic> what kind of write access do you want on the svn repo ?
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[10:22:03] <MDCore> What am I missing with setting up trac on windows: I installed the installer and the windows build of clearsilver... and now... nothing. No start menu items or anything. What do I do?
[10:22:30] <Blackhex> prologic: yes, I can checkhout repository but not commit. I used digest file which is in that repo
[10:22:50] <prologic> actually it's not :)
[10:22:59] <prologic> since dumping doesn't store meta repo data
[10:23:02] <prologic> like settings ;)
[10:23:14] <prologic> wanna mail me your svnserve.conf and digest file please
[10:23:27] <Blackhex> prologic: ok
[10:23:30] <prologic> ta
[10:24:56] <MDCore> anybody ? :}
[10:25:43] <prologic> sorry :)
[10:25:49] <prologic> not a trace of windows around this place
[10:25:59] <MDCore> :)
[10:26:08] <MDCore> Ja.. I kinda guessed that would happen :)
[10:26:31] <MDCore> ok.. maybe I need to mess with python scripts in site-packages/trac or something.
[10:26:53] <prologic> I can only say read the docs on the trac website
[10:26:55] <prologic> :)
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[10:29:03] <MDCore> hmm. looks like windows setup is not too straightforward.
[10:29:12] <MDCore> maybe run ubuntu in a VM or something :>
[10:30:24] <prologic> how bout a real linux box :)
[10:31:13] <MDCore> ja... but I'm developing on my laptop.... my _works_ laptop. Been meaning to mess with the ubuntu Live CD.
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[10:31:29] <MDCore> Can't switch it for now since I still do a lot of ASP/IIS/msSQL work.
[10:31:43] <MDCore> but yeah.. a real linux box is a goal :)
[10:32:45] <prologic> you must work for a sucky company :)
[10:32:47] <prologic> hehe
[10:33:01] <Blackhex> :-)
[10:34:01] <Tetraboy> Start menu icon? Trac is like a cgi script.
[10:34:27] <Blackhex> prologic: where I could send it?
[10:34:49] <prologic> prologic at shortcircuit dot net dot au
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[10:37:26] <Blackhex> sended
[10:37:45] <MDCore> tetra: ja, something to start the trac server.
[10:37:52] <MDCore> tetra: is what I was looking for.
[10:39:51] <prologic> k that should be right to go now
[10:40:00] <Blackhex> I'll try
[10:42:06] <Blackhex> prologic: great, and that reports?
[10:42:24] <prologic> should work
[10:42:30] <prologic> I see no reason why it shouldn't
[10:42:43] <prologic> apache has write access to the db
[10:45:01] <Blackhex> prologic: I copied and pasted active ticket report query but it is not saved
[10:45:07] <Blackhex> prologic: maybe bugM
[10:45:09] <Blackhex> ?
[10:45:31] <prologic> not sure
[10:46:15] <chendo> hmm, i can't actually log out... it just stays on the same page..
[10:46:16] <Tetraboy> MDCore: Well, usually you run apache?
[10:46:23] <chendo> i'm using http auth via cgi here
[10:47:10] <Blackhex> prologic: shoud i give you admin permission?
[10:50:01] <prologic> what for ?
[10:50:01] <prologic> :)
[10:50:14] <Blackhex> prologic: to try
[10:50:38] <prologic> I'll try it on my trac projects
[10:50:42] <prologic> it might be a bug :)
[10:50:43] <prologic> never know
[10:50:46] <Blackhex> prologic: and?
[10:50:53] <Blackhex> :-)
[10:50:55] <prologic> no I'll try it
[10:50:56] <prologic> haven't yet :)
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[11:10:45] <Blackhex> prologic: would be great if you solve it but if you don't never mind, I have to go water plants now :-)
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[12:42:59] <coderanger> What gets passed to an ITicketChangListener?
[12:43:08] <coderanger> The ticket object or just the id?
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[13:53:09] <Smirnov> Is the only way to get an email ticketing system for TRAC to use a trackhacks.org script ?
[13:56:17] <maxb> Certainly not, you can use a script from any other source, too :-)
[13:57:03] <Smirnov> heh well yea, i just wondered if it was official or not yet
[13:58:47] <coderanger> There is little that is "official"
[13:59:11] <coderanger> The goal of Trac is to be as minimal as possible
[13:59:40] <coderanger> The email2trac script will never be included with Trac if that is your question
[14:00:52] <maxb> 'never'? I'd assume that it could, but only if it was polished up to the same degree of maintained-ness and quality as the rest of trac.
[14:01:08] <coderanger> No, there is nothing to be gained by it
[14:01:11] <coderanger> Except for bloat
[14:01:54] <coderanger> If it is possible to do with an external script/plugin/macro, there is no reason to include it basically
[14:02:52] <Tetraboy> coderanger: Firefox fan?
[14:03:11] <maxb> It's possible to take such a philosophy too far.
[14:03:13] <coderanger> This is just the development philosophy of Trac
[14:03:19] <coderanger> Not my personal views
[14:03:25] <Tetraboy> Ah.
[14:04:07] <coderanger> With something like email2trac, where you have to link it to a mail server, its non-trivial to package with Trac
[14:04:30] <coderanger> the scripts in contrib/ predate the existence of a large community site like trac-hacks
[14:04:55] <coderanger> Ditto for the MacroBazaar
[14:05:33] <Tetraboy> I use 0 hacks/macros currently, didn't know there was a hacks site..
[14:06:24] <coderanger> Its in the #trac topic ;-)
[14:07:15] <coderanger> But you are not alone, many people don't know that trac-hacks, and the plugins there, exist
[14:07:19] <Tetraboy> Well, that right there's the problem. Putting something that's supposed to be read in the topic.. Who'd a thunk..
[14:07:55] <coderanger> Especially with things like Tags, TicketDelete, and WikiRename
[14:08:26] <coderanger> Which most people end up half writting themselves, come on here to ask a question, and then get told "Oh, thats already done"
[14:09:37] <maxb> TicketDelete and WikiRename are things which it might make sense to put into core. After all, they are really just workarounds for missing features in their parent subsystems.
[14:10:00] <coderanger> Yes, delete support is in for 0.10, though only on the command line
[14:10:31] <coderanger> rename support is waiting on the trac-crossref branch, which is waiting on the trac-objects branch
[14:10:46] <Tetraboy> Be nice to have a web->cli gateway, wonder if that exists..
[14:10:56] <coderanger> @webadmin
[14:10:56] <evil_twin> coderanger: "webadmin" is http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/WebAdmin
[14:10:57] <coderanger> ;-)
[14:12:12] <Tetraboy> Silly me has trac running on Windows.
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[14:13:15] <coderanger> webadmin should work on windows?
[14:14:33] <Tetraboy> That was just random blaber from me. :)
[14:15:40] <Tetraboy> Thanks for the link.
[14:18:38] <Tetraboy> What's the goal for TraceForge?
[14:18:55] <Tetraboy> TraceForge->TracForge
[14:21:16] <coderanger> "Magic"
[14:21:34] <coderanger> Its still very early on as far as development
[14:21:52] <coderanger> The idea is to create a set of plugins to allow simple multi-project support
[14:22:05] <coderanger> (I'm actually working on it at the moment :)
[14:23:00] <Tetraboy> I have 10 different tracs set up, I was thinking of somehow linking them up. Have sort of a master trac that has tickets etc from all sub tracks.
[14:23:15] <coderanger> Yep, thats the idea
[14:23:38] <coderanger> along with central control and management
[14:25:06] <Tetraboy> Sounds great.
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[14:28:16] <coderanger> Now if only it was as simple as it sounds
[14:29:33] <Tetraboy> Seeing as how I'm lazy, my idea was to just parse the rss/csv outputs from multiple tracs into one ticket page listing all.
[14:30:29] <coderanger> This is somewhat more complex than that
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[14:30:45] <coderanger> As I want to be able to use things like reports in the dashboard tracs
[14:31:26] <coderanger> So the tickets all need to end up in the database somehow
[14:31:51] <coderanger> Along with bi-direction synchronization
[14:31:58] <Tetraboy> Yeah..
[14:33:17] <Tetraboy> So basically, your idea is to copy, and keep synced, multiple tracs into one trac.
[14:33:41] <Tetraboy> So all trac features would be available.
[14:33:47] <coderanger> Exactly
[14:34:07] <coderanger> At least thats the idea for one part
[14:36:44] <Tetraboy> That sounds like a nightmare to me. :)
[14:37:22] <coderanger> Heh, after a year of doing this, its not too bad
[14:38:21] <Tetraboy> Concurrency control would be my worry.
[14:38:44] <coderanger> Yeeeeah, I'm still working on that
[14:38:57] <coderanger> there is some stuff in place to handle concurrent access from a single VM
[14:39:13] <coderanger> But I'm not too sure about multi-VM deadlock
[14:39:22] <Tetraboy> VM?
[14:40:14] <coderanger> python interpreter
[14:40:30] <Tetraboy> Ah.
[14:40:36] <Tetraboy> <- Not a big python person.
[14:42:42] <coderanger> Its doable, but its going to be a bit weird in some places
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[16:48:14] <coderanger> Okay, so heres a weird problem
[16:48:22] <coderanger> I have two <Location>s
[16:49:03] <coderanger> <Location /> is a single env at /var/trac/main
[16:49:20] <coderanger> <Location /projects> is a parent_dir at /var/trac
[16:50:03] <coderanger> From what I can tell, /projects is inheriting the TracEnv from /
[16:50:19] <coderanger> And the TracEnv is overriding the TracEnvParentDir
[16:50:45] <coderanger> (this is trunk running on mod_python 3.1.4
[16:51:18] <coderanger> in mod_python 3.2 there is a way to explicitly remove an option, but in 3.1 its flagged as a syntax error
[16:54:06] <maxb> coderanger: I believe that is standard apache behaviour for overlapping <Location> blocks.
[16:54:27] <coderanger> Yes, but in Trac this is problematic
[16:55:06] <maxb> Upgrade mod_python, I guess.
[16:55:20] <maxb> 3.2 has been around for quite a while
[16:55:20] <coderanger> 3.2 isn't in Gentoo portage yet :-/
[16:57:03] <maxb> Slow. 3.2 has been final since February.
[16:59:45] <coderanger> Thats Gentoo for ya
[17:00:10] <coderanger> The newest version of Gaim is in the tree in 15 minutes, but anything important takes forever
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[17:28:16] <bnovc> is it possible to use mysql without using sqllite or do you have to have sqllite installed? i can't find a page talking about how to use it
[17:32:44] <coderanger> Has support been merged to trunk yet?
[17:41:00] <coderanger> Looks like it has
[17:41:16] <coderanger> You should just be able to give mysql:foo as the db string
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[17:51:25] <prologic> coderanger, ahh nice to see multi-project support happening :)
[17:51:30] <prologic> what's your ideas so far ?
[17:51:55] <coderanger> At the moment I'm working on data syncronization between Tracs
[17:52:44] <prologic> okay
[17:53:00] <prologic> is there no reason a trac env can't hold/handle multiple repos ?
[17:53:11] <prologic> or would that be better left separate
[17:54:27] <coderanger> Thats a different approach
[17:54:43] <prologic> yeah :)
[17:54:56] <coderanger> This is not aiming to be a catch-all for mutlproject support
[17:55:05] <prologic> okay
[17:55:37] <coderanger> Thats why its being made as a plugin
[17:55:53] <prologic> fair enough
[17:56:04] <prologic> in any case any add-on feature should be a plugin right :)
[17:56:56] <coderanger> If possible
[17:57:03] <prologic> hmm have a look at http://trac.shortcircuit.net.au/projects/pymills/wiki/Examples :) using my event library
[17:57:08] <prologic> ihmo I think they're quite nice and simple
[17:57:22] <coderanger> I would imagine that a multi-repo system would be doable as a new versionsystem backend
[17:58:22] <prologic> yeah prolly
[18:17:43] <prologic> hrmm coderanger you might be able to help with this :)
[18:18:11] <coderanger> hrm?
[18:18:16] <prologic> if you've overriding __new__ of object in some class, ie: __new__(cls, event)
[18:18:27] <prologic> how do you write __init__ constructs ?
[18:18:33] <prologic> server = EchoServer(event, 7)
[18:18:34] <prologic> TypeError: __new__() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given)
[18:18:46] <prologic> that don't interfere with __new__ :)
[18:19:25] <prologic> oh maybe I can put *args, **kwargs into __new__'s signiture
[18:20:22] <hacim> prologic: whats the discussion tab you have on your trac?
[18:20:34] <prologic> ahh
[18:20:38] <prologic> that's the DiscussionPlugin
[18:20:47] <prologic> BlackHex maintains that
[18:20:57] <prologic> some really nice new features are coming up soon with that :)
[18:21:01] <prologic> page discussions :)
[18:21:17] <hacim> huh, cool... I guess I missed that one on trac-hacs
[18:21:34] <idnar> uhm
[18:21:57] <idnar> oh, nm
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[18:41:58] <coderanger> hmm
[18:42:18] <coderanger> How do you specify a custom field shouldn't show up in the UI?
[18:43:21] <coderanger> I had thought it was fieldname.skip = Trye
[18:43:24] <coderanger> er, True
[18:45:49] <coderanger> Thats weird, you can't specify .skip for custom fields, though thats what is used for system fields
[18:50:00] <prologic> heh
[18:50:03] <prologic> way over my head mate :)
[18:50:12] <prologic> I've only just scratched the surface of trac's design
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[19:03:50] <otaku42> moin all
[19:05:07] <otaku42> is there a way to include some of the fields of a custom query to a wiki page? for example: i'd like to add the ticket number and the summary of http://madwifi.org/query?status=closed&milestone=version+0.9.1 to the "fixed bugs" section of http://madwifi.org/wiki/Releases/0.9.1
[19:13:55] <otaku42> to answer my own question: the TicketQuery macro does the job
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[19:39:46] <ajt> Hi guys. Is there a way to a trac setupt o apache without having to restart every time?
[19:40:07] <coderanger> Restart what?
[19:40:37] <ajt> coderanger: Apache
[19:40:52] <coderanger> What are you doing that you need to restart apache?
[19:41:06] <ajt> Adding a <location> tag to the apache conf file
[19:41:15] <ajt> let me experiment some more
[19:41:29] <ajt> I think I figured out where I'm taking the wrong approach
[19:41:47] <coderanger> Any changes to the Apache config will require a reload (though not a restart)
[19:41:54] <coderanger> but thats not because of Trac
[19:42:17] <ajt> what'st he difference between a reload & restart?
[19:43:11] <coderanger> Its faster, it doesn't kill active connections, etc etc
[19:43:38] <ajt> awesome
[19:43:40] <coderanger> It just tells Apache to reload its config from disk
[19:43:44] <ajt> perfect
[19:43:47] <ajt> exactly what I wanted
[19:46:13] <coderanger> tracforge proof-of-concept works!!