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<Epcylon> |
One of my trac sites have been hit by the ticket-spammers.. is there any way I can delete the spammers comments from a ticket? |
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<asmodai> |
TicketDelete |
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<asmodai> |
plugin available through trac-hacks |
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<Epcylon> |
ok.. thanks |
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<coderanger> |
One more thing I need to rework one day |
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<otaku42> |
Epcylon: and for the prevention of ticket spam check http://madwifi.org/wiki/FightingTrackSpam |
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<Epcylon> |
thanks |
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<coderanger> |
Page doesn't exist ;-) |
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<otaku42> |
erm... yes, of course, typo. should be: http://madwifi.org/wiki/FightingTracSpam |
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<otaku42> |
sorry |
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<coderanger> |
That should probably be moved the t.e.o at some point |
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<Epcylon> |
yeah.. was about to say.. :) |
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<coderanger> |
It will also be moot at the point that 0.10 is finally out |
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<otaku42> |
coderanger: nope. filtering spam out in trac is much more expensive (regarding CPU time that's necessary for this task) than blocking most of the malicious stuff right via mod_security |
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<coderanger> |
Have you actually benchmarked this? |
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<coderanger> |
I would be very surprised if there was a signifigant difference when using a persistent interpreter |
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<otaku42> |
coderanger: not yet, since i have no 0.10dev running on my servers. my saying above is based on "feeling", so theoretically might be wrong. |
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<coderanger> |
Python surprises many people when it comes to things like that ;-) |
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<coderanger> |
It has things like list, dict, and string handling much more optimized than the equivalent C libraries |
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<otaku42> |
coderanger: yeah, maybe. however, a small advantage of my solution is that it works for all trac versions, even for 0.8.x |
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<otaku42> |
coderanger: and another small advantage (at least for me): mod_security allows to write audit logs, which allow to examine the various spam POSTs in detail |
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<coderanger> |
SpamFilter logs everything to the trac log |
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<coderanger> |
Well the included plugins do, if someone makes a bad one it could not |
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<otaku42> |
coderanger: even the details of the posts that passed the filter? |
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<otaku42> |
coderanger: by the way, another idea for a spam filter would be to check contained URLs against services like surbl.org or uribl.com |
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<coderanger> |
otaku42: Write a plugin ;-) |
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<otaku42> |
coderanger: i'm a python noob. learning python is high up on my todo, but it will take some time until i reach that item of the list :) |
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<coderanger> |
Personally I dislike the fact that its out-of-band and requires a server reload for changes to take effect |
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<coderanger> |
diveintopython.org |
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<otaku42> |
coderanger: why is a server reload necessary? |
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<coderanger> |
dooooooo it!! |
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<coderanger> |
otaku42: Apache doesn't notice config changes otherwise AFAIK |
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<otaku42> |
coderanger: ah, you refer to changes of the configuration that are needed for mod-security? |
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<coderanger> |
yes |
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<coderanger> |
If you add a new rule apache won't see it without a reload |
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<otaku42> |
coderanger: well, yes, that's true indeed. in my personal environment that's no problem, it's easy enough to reload the configuration without much interruption :) but yes, on larger sites that might be a problem |
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<cmlenz> |
tuxipuxi: the demo is down? |
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<cmlenz> |
that error looks familiar... what version of trac and which DB are you using there? |
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<tuxipuxi> |
cmlenz: looks like some kiddie removed all user permissions. 0.9.6 and SQLite 3.3.5 |
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<cmlenz> |
oh |
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<cmlenz> |
:-/ |
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<cmlenz> |
maybe disable the permissions page? |
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<tuxipuxi> |
hm well, it's nice for demonstrating the WebAdmin plugin. let's say i'll disable it if that happens again, ok? |
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<cmlenz> |
sure |
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<cmlenz> |
how long do you think it was down? |
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<tuxipuxi> |
don't know.. 8 hours ago it was still up iirc |
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<cmlenz> |
k |
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<cmlenz> |
wonder what we can do to get more people to not file test tickets on teo |
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<cmlenz> |
(trac.edgewall.org) |
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<tuxipuxi> |
that's the same question as "how can we reduce stupidity on this world" ;) |
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<cmlenz> |
true :-P |
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<tuxipuxi> |
if somebody even ignores the red box on the "new ticket" page you can't do anything about it |
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<misc> |
well, someone proposed a solution for stupidity : http://bash.org/?4753 |
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<cmlenz> |
heh |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: How about adding things like |
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<coderanger> |
"test ticket |
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<coderanger> |
grr, cant type |
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<coderanger> |
"test ticket" to BadContent |
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<cmlenz> |
well, that would not help with tickets such as "qsdsqa" |
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<cmlenz> |
plus test tickets aren't really spam |
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<coderanger> |
A bayesian-ish filter might help with things like that |
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<cmlenz> |
^[qwasdf]+$ |
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<cmlenz> |
yeah, but bayes needs training, and we don't have that yet |
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<coderanger> |
t.e.o has a large amount of tickets, it would probably be trivial to build a training db from there |
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<coderanger> |
maybe throw in trac-hacks and the bullix site for good measure too |
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<Ro> |
hi all trac users |
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<tuxipuxi> |
hi ro |
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<Ro> |
i'm new with trac, and need your help |
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<Ro> |
i have add some users and can make trac auth them in login but |
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<Ro> |
what i want from that is to stop every body using other name when creating new ticket |
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<tuxipuxi> |
remove TICKET_CREATE from anonymous, grant it to your users and have them log in when they want to create a new ticket? |
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<Ro> |
but now even after auth every body can wirte any name in replace his real name when creating a new ticket |
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<Ro> |
ok i did |
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<Ro> |
but what i mean is that user how wants to create a new ticket is able to change his name |
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<Ro> |
he can wirte any name he wants |
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<tuxipuxi> |
don't know if that can be restricted, but why don't you just tell them not to change that field? |
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<Ro> |
i can't trust them |
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<Ro> |
ok, can i remove this field from html template |
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<tuxipuxi> |
i'd guess that it's used in the addTicket method, but the devs will know better ;) |
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<Ro> |
thank you |
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<Ro> |
ok i have anothe question, can i add the attach boton to the create ticket page, i want the user to be able to creat the ticket and can't view it, but now if he needs to attach a file i have to let him view it to find the attach boton |
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<coderanger> |
Ro: That is added in trunk already |
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<Ro> |
sory but i don't understand you coderanger |
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<Ro> |
what do you mean that is in tunk already |
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<coderanger> |
Ro: The "I have files to attach to this ticket" check box |
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<coderanger> |
Its already been added |
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<tuxipuxi> |
in the development version |
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<Ro> |
ok, grate, i don't know waht is trunk yet, i'll check befor ask you to help to not nosing you, thank you |
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<tuxipuxi> |
"trunk" is a common term for "current development branch" |
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<coderanger> |
Ro: You may want to read the subversion admin handbook at some point soon ;-) |
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<Ro> |
is that mean a "under development" dist. of trac |
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<coderanger> |
Yes |
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<coderanger> |
the current trunk is what will eventually be 0.10 |
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<Ro> |
thank you again |
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<tuxipuxi> |
coderanger: ah right.. why is it going to be called 0.10? after 0.9.6 it should be called 1.0, no? |
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<Ro> |
yes |
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<coderanger> |
No, there is special signifigance attached to "Version 1.0" |
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<coderanger> |
Trac uses the traditional FOSS versioning scheme |
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<coderanger> |
three integers with '.' between them |
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<coderanger> |
its not a decimal number |
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<tuxipuxi> |
i see |
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<Ro> |
me too, finaly understand this point |
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<tuxipuxi> |
1.0 sounds better, thoug |
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<tuxipuxi> |
h |
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<coderanger> |
The Trac devs want to have the code developed to a certain point before cutting a 1.0 |
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<coderanger> |
Its somewhat of a marker saying "We really think this is solid now" |
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<tuxipuxi> |
well, judging from the popularity of trac and how it is used without any problems it's 1.0 IMO |
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<coderanger> |
No, it still lacks a lot of basic things |
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<tuxipuxi> |
sure thing, but it's rock-solid. 1.0 doesn't mean "we're at the end of the development" |
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<coderanger> |
solid doesn't mean stability |
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<coderanger> |
I am talking about code maintainability |
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<coderanger> |
The Trac API changes with almost every release still |
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<coderanger> |
At the point of a 1.0 there is an understanding that the API will be stable |
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<coderanger> |
And that a compatible release will be maintained for a decent period of time (2+ years at least) |
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<tuxipuxi> |
i see |
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<JasonF> |
Can trac serve out a subversion repository mod_dav_svn/mod_svn/svnserve like |
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<JasonF> |
or will i need to run a separate SVN server on my box? |
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<otaku42> |
JasonF: trac does not serve a svn repository, but it allows to access it. real svn access is only possible if you run a "real" subversion server (svnserve or mod_dav_svn) |
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<JasonF> |
otaku42_away: bah, that's no fun :( That means I have to configure svnserve or upgrade to apache2 on a box I have no desire to do either on |
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<JasonF> |
*sigh* |
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<coderanger_> |
JasonF: You can just use ssh+svn |
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<coderanger_> |
Of course then you need to setup ssh ;-) |
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<JasonF> |
coderanger: that's an even more disgusting solution for a production website :) |
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<JasonF> |
see, the company I am SA for is open sourcing some stuff, and migrating those svn setups to a world-facing server will suck |
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<tuxipuxi> |
is there any plugin which adds more fine-grained wiki permisisons or is this not possible with the current plugin interface? wondering because WikuStart on p.e.c is write-protected |
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<cmlenz> |
that's just the read-only flag |
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<alect> |
heh |
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<tuxipuxi> |
cmlenz: ah, sure. i just had a look at the wiki API and it looks like 0.9 and 0.10 both don't allow a plugin to implement more fine-grained permissions. correct? |
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<cmlenz> |
yeah |
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<tuxipuxi> |
that'd be a very useful addition |
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<cmlenz> |
alect has been working on that on a branch: the sandbox/security branch |
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<cmlenz> |
'tis even listed on the roadmap for 0.11 ;-) |
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<cmlenz> |
PermissionPolicy |
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<tuxipuxi> |
that's good, but unfortunately not of help for me :) i need to implement that now on an unpatched installation. but if it's not in 0.10, it's not 0.10. |
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<tuxipuxi> |
uhm.. +in |
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<tuxipuxi> |
40 degrees celsius is too much :/ |
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<cmlenz> |
ah, you're down south, eh? :-P |
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<cmlenz> |
it's 35 here |
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<cmlenz> |
which is still too much |
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<tuxipuxi> |
heh no, north of hamburg, but it's very hot in my room cause the sun is aiming straight at the window. where are you living? |
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<cmlenz> |
ffm |
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<tuxipuxi> |
ah |
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<Anon1121> |
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<alvaro> |
does anybody if WikiRBAC is going to be supported in any trac baseline? |
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<qwe> |
is there a way to change the dir that chrome/common/ points to, or does it always use /usr/share/trac/htdocs? |
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<glen_quagmire> |
is trac better than bugzilla |
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<glen_quagmire> |
? |
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<qwe> |
glen_quagmire: trac is a wiki, source browser, and ticket tracking system all rolled into one |
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<qwe> |
glen_quagmire: it's really a matter of preference |
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<glen_quagmire> |
let me try both..i should run them on mac osx |
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<pacopablo> |
@faq ini |
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<evil_twin> |
pacopablo: "ini" is See http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracIni for details on the Trac configuration file. |
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<pacopablo> |
qwe: modify the __default_htdocs_dir__ line in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/trac/siteconfig.py |
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<qwe> |
pacopablo: there's no way to do it per-installation? |
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<cmlenz> |
just use an alias in the server config |
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<qwe> |
tried that, didn't work, but I'm notoriously inept at configuring apache |
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<Blackhex> |
sorry that I am niggling it again, but can anyone help me with file uploading in IRequestHandler module? |
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<jacobat> |
Howdy, I was just reading spolskys blog, and apparently fogbugz have an http post interface to creating bugs, so he can file a bug directly from the application whenever an unhandled exception is thrown. Is something like this implemented for trac? |
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<tuxipuxi> |
you can either call the add ticket url or use the XML-RPC interface (0.10) |
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<Blackhex> |
shame on me, I putted enctype="multipart/form-data" into different form in different template, so that is why file uploading don't work, sorry |
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<pacopablo> |
tsk, tsk :) |
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<bnovc> |
how can i link to the home page in the wiki? |
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<bnovc> |
[wiki:/ back] works but shows as an invalid link |
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<pacopablo> |
[wiki:WikiStart back] |
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<bnovc> |
thanks |
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<pacopablo> |
np |
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<glen_quagmire> |
should svn located in the same machine as trac installed? |
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<pacopablo> |
yes |
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<glen_quagmire> |
wtf that's no good |
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<pacopablo> |
well, it comes down to the fact that the python subversion bindings don't support remote access |
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<pacopablo> |
it appears that they will in the semi-near future, but currently do not. |
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<glen_quagmire> |
i see T.T |
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<mitsuhiko> |
is there a method in trac to raise small error messages? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
like the "Ticket does not exist" page |
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<pacopablo> |
TracError |
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<pacopablo> |
raise thatin your code |
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<mitsuhiko> |
http://trac.pocoo.org/ticket/123456789 <-- this one |
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<mitsuhiko> |
pacopablo: just raise it? |
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<pacopablo> |
well, you have to pass it the text to display, too |
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<matt_good> |
raise TracError("error message") |
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<mitsuhiko> |
thx |
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<mitsuhiko> |
it's in trac.core? |
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<glen_quagmire> |
can I install trac without svn? i don't need svn |
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<pacopablo> |
yes |
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<glen_quagmire> |
i just need to keep track of tickets |
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<pacopablo> |
though you need to use trunk |
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<pacopablo> |
0.9.6 requires that a repos exists |
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<glen_quagmire> |
trunk? |
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<pacopablo> |
trunk will all one to run without a repos |
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<matt_good> |
glen_quagmire: trunk is the current development line for 0.10 |
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<pacopablo> |
http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDownload#LatestDevelopmentSourceCode |
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<glen_quagmire> |
so i have to download from svn? |
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<glen_quagmire> |
it's ironic |
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<glen_quagmire> |
in order to svn support, i need to use svn |
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<glen_quagmire> |
^ ditch |
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<pacopablo> |
http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/3549/trunk?old_path=%2F&format=zip |
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<pacopablo> |
that will get you a zip file of the trunk directory |
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<glen_quagmire> |
i'm using svn to check out |
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<glen_quagmire> |
do I still need clearsilver? |
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<pacopablo> |
ok, though technically, one doesn't need svn to get a copy of trunk |
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<pacopablo> |
yes, clearsilver is still a requirement |
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<pacopablo> |
it's the templating system used |
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<pacopablo> |
after 0.10 is released, then I think it will probably switch. |
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<glen_quagmire> |
for clearsilver, i only need --with-python right? |
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<glen_quagmire> |
no java no ruby |
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<pacopablo> |
right |
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<pacopablo> |
what distro do you use? |
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<glen_quagmire> |
mac os x 10.2 |
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<glen_quagmire> |
jaguar |
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<glen_quagmire> |
freaking old |
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<pacopablo> |
ahh |
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<glen_quagmire> |
i hate mac more than windows |
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<glen_quagmire> |
what's python includes? |
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<tuxipuxi> |
in what context? |
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<glen_quagmire> |
./configure for clearsilver |
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<glen_quagmire> |
--with-python |
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<glen_quagmire> |
./configure --with-python=/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/lib/python2.3/ |
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<glen_quagmire> |
it says python2.3 is a directory |
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<glen_quagmire> |
maybe i have to point it to a file? |
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<pacopablo> |
glen_quagmire: as it should be |
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<glen_quagmire> |
pacopablo: what should I point it to? |
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<pacopablo> |
what does --help say? |
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<glen_quagmire> |
--with-python=path Set location of Python Interpreter |
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<glen_quagmire> |
wtf i read it Python Includes |
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<pacopablo> |
try giving it the local of the python binary |
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<glen_quagmire> |
--with-python=path Set location of Python Includes |
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<glen_quagmire> |
that's from INSTALL file |
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<pacopablo> |
so: `which python` |
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<alect> |
i reckon a cool plugin would be one that searched your doc for capitalised sequences of words (eg. Open Box) and did a google "i feel lucky" search to turn it into a link |
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<alect> |
MAGIC |
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<glen_quagmire> |
yep |
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<alect> |
cool, but probably useless |
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<glen_quagmire> |
they should really updatre INSTEALL file |
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<pacopablo> |
glen_quagmire: well, then talk with the clearsilver people ;) |
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<glen_quagmire> |
yah lol |
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<tuxipuxi> |
i had major trouble installing clearsilver, too |
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<pacopablo> |
gee, it just worked for me ;) |
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<pacopablo> |
though I'm not using OSeX |
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<glen_quagmire> |
i'm off for now |
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<glen_quagmire> |
thansk for helps |
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<pacopablo> |
alect: the other thing that would be neat is a post-commit-hook that updated a rev number on the About Wiki page, so that when you run trunk, you can go to the About page and know what rev you're currently running :) |
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<alect> |
that would be cool paco |
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<pacopablo> |
I may have to take a look at how to do it, but unfortunately, I don't hav ethe time atm. |
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<alect> |
nobody does.... |
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<alect> |
i'm ditching my macbook for a thinkpad+linux |
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<alect> |
my flirtation with osx is at an end |
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<pacopablo> |
wooohoooo!!!! |
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<pacopablo> |
er, oh, I'm so sorry to hear that :) |
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<alect> |
i'm writing a rant blog entry about it as we speak :) |
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<alect> |
more to reinforce my reasoning than anything |
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<mitsuhiko> |
wohoooo |
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<mitsuhiko> |
trac rocks once again |
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<pacopablo> |
google doesn't donate those unwanted macbooks to needy students, does in? :) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
now i can read the pocoo chatlogs directly from trac |
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<mitsuhiko> |
in realtime |
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<pacopablo> |
mitsuhiko: hot, what did you do to do that? |
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<alect> |
haha no, they get recycled :) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
pacopablo: reading the logs? ^^ |
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<pacopablo> |
mitsuhiko: yeah |
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<tuxipuxi> |
alect: post the url here when you're done, please :) |
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<alect> |
righto |
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<mitsuhiko> |
http://trac.pocoo.org/irclogs |
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<alect> |
http://swapoff.org/wiki/blog/2006-07-21-why-osx-is-not-for-me |
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<alect> |
FORBIDDEN |
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<alect> |
:P |
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<mitsuhiko> |
ah. moment ;) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
alect: now |
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