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July 24, 2006

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[00:50:45] <s0undt3ch> How do I disable the Roadmap/Milestones module(s)?
[00:51:49] <s0undt3ch> I disabled them with TracAdmin but it's still accessible
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[01:04:38] <mitsuhiko> s0undt3ch: mod_python/fastcgi?
[01:04:40] <mitsuhiko> reload the server
[01:05:09] <s0undt3ch> yeah, mod_python... a reload is needed!?!?
[01:05:27] <s0undt3ch> that's *really* bad
[01:09:27] <alect> cmlenz: send me the ticket import scripts when you get a chacne
[01:09:31] <alect> also a chance
[01:09:46] <cmlenz> ah, those, yeah :-P
[01:10:38] <cmlenz> didn't have the time to finish them, but I can send you what I have now
[01:12:17] <alect> sure
[01:12:24] <alect> i'll check it out tomorrow
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[01:25:11] <angrymike> Hey all
[01:25:15] <angrymike> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiFormatting
[01:25:25] <angrymike> there is a bug with the Images section
[01:25:43] <angrymike> it doesn't show the example properly, since the image doesn't show up at all.
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[01:47:19] <amax> help me please with reposearch plugin .. I have bug and unable to run plugin
[01:47:42] <amax> http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/535
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[02:40:17] <mitsuhiko> cmlenz: pingeling :)
[02:40:25] <cmlenz> yo
[02:40:29] <mitsuhiko> great
[02:40:43] <mitsuhiko> you are responsable for the trac antispam plugin?
[02:41:03] <cmlenz> some parts
[02:41:11] <mitsuhiko> cmlenz: do you know moinmaster?
[02:41:20] <cmlenz> no
[02:41:33] <mitsuhiko> cmlenz: http://moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de/BadContent
[02:41:40] <mitsuhiko> all moin installations sync their BadContent list with this page
[02:41:53] <mitsuhiko> this would be nice for trac too
[02:42:09] <cmlenz> ah
[02:42:12] <cmlenz> yeah
[02:42:21] <cmlenz> file a ticket with a patch if you like ;-)
[02:42:34] <mitsuhiko> i'm working on implementing that atm
[02:42:47] <mitsuhiko> i talked with xorAxAx from moin about it. it would be ok to use their list too
[02:43:02] <mitsuhiko> but trac must mirror it to avoid additional traffic
[02:43:32] <angrymike> hi all
[02:43:40] <angrymike> before I report a ticket can someone confirm this is a bug?
[02:43:53] <angrymike> that the trac image doesn't show up at http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiFormatting
[02:43:59] <angrymike> when trying to display the image?
[02:44:32] <angrymike> or is that going to go away for 0.10?
[02:44:40] <otaku42> mitsuhiko. cmlenz: while you are at it: a plugin that uses services like surbl.org or uribl.com would be nice. no, i can't write it myself (yet), my python knowledge is still bad :)
[02:44:44] <angrymike> ahh deprecated
[02:44:54] <angrymike> my bad
[02:44:58] <mitsuhiko> otaku42: what's surbl.org?
[02:45:08] <mitsuhiko> ah.
[02:45:08] <mitsuhiko> nice
[02:45:14] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: check their website, they blacklist spamvertised domains.
[02:45:44] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: similar for uribl.
[02:46:34] <mitsuhiko> otaku42: but i don't find an api for those sites
[02:47:01] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: http://www.surbl.org/implementation.html
[02:47:54] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: http://www.uribl.com/about.shtml
[02:48:21] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: you simply query their DNS zones and probably cache the results locally.
[02:48:31] <mitsuhiko> imho that's implemented already in IPBlacklistFilterStrategy
[02:48:52] <mitsuhiko> ah. nope
[02:49:06] <mitsuhiko> just the user that edits the pages get checked, not the content of the page
[02:49:11] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: right
[02:49:50] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: so the plugin would need to get all URLs out of the content, then check the linked domains against these services and eventually block the posting.
[02:50:47] <cmlenz> that could get pretty expensive
[02:50:58] <cmlenz> unless of course the first URL checked is already blacklisted
[02:51:13] <mitsuhiko> cmlenz: shouldn't take so long
[02:51:48] <otaku42> cmlenz: however, the tests are only performed on POSTs, which should (compared to GET requests) not be that frequent IMO
[02:52:48] <otaku42> cmlenz: in addition, from my personal experience I'd expect that caching the results would be very effective, since a lot of spam posts that i've seen in our trac try to spamvertise the same URL(s) in a wave of spam comments
[02:54:31] <mitsuhiko> but imho the shared BadContent file is more importan
[02:54:33] <mitsuhiko> +t
[02:55:20] <otaku42> such a plugin probably should also contain an webadmin interface that combines the features of TicketDeletePlugin (delete tickets or ticket changes) with a facilily to report spamvertised domains to any of the used lists.
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[03:02:06] <mitsuhiko> cmlenz: is there a interface that gets called from time to time?
[03:02:31] <mitsuhiko> i could use the IWikiChangeListener but this gets triggered after wiki changes
[03:03:10] <cmlenz> I don't understand what you want to do
[03:04:11] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: wouldn't be a simple (shell) script sufficient for syncing with the master bad content page? the master page could export the content ot its BadContent page as text file, "clients" fetch that via wget or whatever and use trac-admin to import updates into the wiki
[03:04:32] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: that script could be triggered once per day by cron, for example
[03:04:39] <mitsuhiko> cmlenz: i want to get trac to sync BadContent with the BadContent of another moin or trac
[03:05:06] <mitsuhiko> so i need to call the sync maybe 2 days a week
[03:05:10] <cmlenz> you'll need a cronjob or equivalent
[03:05:21] <otaku42> see above
[03:05:25] <cmlenz> yeah
[03:05:38] <mitsuhiko> a cron is the last i want to use ;)
[03:05:54] <cmlenz> why?
[03:05:56] <mitsuhiko> is there an interface that gets called each time a user requests a page?
[03:06:11] <cmlenz> IRequestFilter
[03:06:13] <mitsuhiko> cmlenz: because you can't distribute it as a plugin
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[03:06:45] <Vudumen> hi
[03:06:47] <mitsuhiko> cmlenz: thx
[03:06:48] <cmlenz> anything that runs per request adds overhead to the request processing... if you want to sync every two days or such, cron/at/etc is the right tool for the job
[03:06:49] <otaku42> a more sophisticated version could be implemented as python script that keeps track of the last-modified and/or etag header and use that for a conditional GET to relieve the master server
[03:07:16] <otaku42> hi Vudumen
[03:07:17] <Vudumen> how can i make trac to show svn properties in the source browser as i see at edgewall trac?
[03:09:21] <mitsuhiko> cmlenz: a small if condition each time a request is processed shouldn't be a so high overhead
[03:17:01] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: if you want to make it like this, why not implementing this if-condition as part of the actual filter process?
[03:17:29] <mitsuhiko> otaku42: good idea
[03:19:31] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: personally, i'd still prefer a parallel-to-trac way of synchronisation :)
[03:19:47] <mitsuhiko> otaku42: i will benchmark that
[03:20:14] <mitsuhiko> in moin the synching takes about two seconds
[03:20:25] <mitsuhiko> someone will trigger that and i don't think two seconds are that much
[03:25:28] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: re benchmarking: do you know a tool that can shoot a defined number of well-described POST requests towards a web server, with a given number of parallel-running processes/threads?
[03:26:06] <mitsuhiko> otaku42: maybe you can use siege
[03:27:12] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: do you have an URL at hands?
[03:27:30] <mitsuhiko> otaku42: sorry, i've just apt-getted it
[03:27:58] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: ah, found it, thanks.
[03:29:07] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: thanks for the hint, looks good. will give it a try later to benchmark the overhead that is caused by my mod_security-based trac spam blocker
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[03:55:18] <mitsuhiko> hahah. it works :)
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[03:57:57] <Moisei> hello. is anybody alive around?
[03:58:08] <otaku42> Moisei: mostly
[03:58:13] <Moisei> :)
[03:58:47] <otaku42> mitsuhiko: nice, congrats
[03:58:56] <Moisei> i would like to extends trac's wiki to recognize references to our issues.
[03:59:09] <Moisei> where is the right place to start to learn how to do it?
[03:59:45] <otaku42> Moisei: are your issues kept in your trac's ticket engine?
[03:59:46] <Moisei> i would like to have all the strings like "12345 - AB" to be replaced by the link automatically when pages is saved or previewed
[04:00:03] <Moisei> otaku42 - no. of course, otheriwse it would not be a question.
[04:00:14] <otaku42> Moisei: well, just wanted to be sure ;)
[04:00:19] <mitsuhiko> Moisei: what do you mean by that?
[04:00:32] <Moisei> mitsuhiko - simple.
[04:01:03] <otaku42> Moisei: first, locate the wiki module (easy). then find the place where stuff like #<number> replacement is done. then add your extension.
[04:01:11] <otaku42> Moisei: at least that would be the way i'd start.
[04:01:12] <mitsuhiko> Moisei: and where should those links point to?
[04:01:34] <Moisei> mitsuhiko - to our own issues tracker.
[04:01:36] <otaku42> Moisei: but then i'm a python noob, and most of the things i say in here could be dead wrong ;)
[04:02:01] <Moisei> otaku42 - this is what I tried - but I am not good enough in python (actually it's a first time i read the code in python :) )
[04:02:18] <mitsuhiko> Moisei: so why do you use trac then when you have your own tracker?
[04:02:34] <Moisei> mitsuhiko - what kind of question is it???
[04:02:57] <mitsuhiko> Moisei: what do you mean by what kind?
[04:03:05] <mitsuhiko> i just asked why you use trac
[04:03:14] <Moisei> mitsuhiko - trac developed a few monthes ago.... and for you ionformation, some companies used their issues trackers even before trak was exisiting
[04:03:25] <Moisei> mitsuhiko - i use because I like it.
[04:03:30] <mitsuhiko> hmmm
[04:03:47] <mitsuhiko> so #123456 should point to a different tracer?
[04:03:50] <mitsuhiko> or another syntax?
[04:03:58] <mitsuhiko> if the syntax is different you can write a plugin
[04:04:08] <otaku42> Moisei: well, then it might be quite tricky to implement what you want. maybe as an intermediate step you should have a look at http://diveintopython.org
[04:04:08] <mitsuhiko> if it's the same you maybe have to disable the normal syntax
[04:04:25] <Moisei> mitsuhiko - I did not decide about syntax. I belive I would like to have #12345-AB points to our issue
[04:05:47] <Moisei> mitsuhiko - do u have an idea where is this # handler is defined?
[04:06:31] <Moisei> anybody?
[04:06:56] <mitsuhiko> Moisei: somewhere in trac.wiki.*
[04:07:49] <tuxipuxi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIn_J_jxf-o&mode=related&search= that one's funny (on net neutrality)
[04:21:44] * asmodai pats mitsuhiko
[04:22:01] <mitsuhiko> asmodai: hoi
[04:22:12] <asmodai> Hallo
[04:22:35] <asmodai> How's tricks?
[04:22:56] <mitsuhiko> asmodai: hm?
[04:24:55] <mitsuhiko> asmodai: i'm away eating
[04:27:32] <asmodai> Ahh, enjoy the food :D
[04:32:30] <otaku42> Moisei: you probably could use InterWiki support as it can be found in trac-0.10dev. it's just an idea, i actually never used it. however, check http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/XmlRpcPlugin and see the "[T2997]" link in the "Installation" section
[04:33:04] <otaku42> Moisei: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/InterWiki explains how this works
[04:43:35] <otaku42> actually that would be a misuse, but it could work anyway :)
[04:48:14] <mitsuhiko> re
[04:48:15] <mitsuhiko> asmodai: re
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[05:36:32] <angrymike> hi all
[05:36:48] <angrymike> is there anyway to use the AccountManager plugin across trac installations?
[05:39:26] <coderanger> angrymike: Install it globally and enable it in each env you want use it in
[05:39:28] <otaku42> angrymike: you want to share accounts that have been created for one project on others?
[05:39:32] <angrymike> yep
[05:39:50] <angrymike> otaku42: but it appears the password file must be in the same environments
[05:40:11] <otaku42> angrymike: afaik only by sharing the same htdigest file amongst all these projects
[05:40:55] <coderanger> Some symlinks should do the trick
[05:40:58] <otaku42> angrymike: what webserver?
[05:41:15] <angrymike> coderanger: the symlink is destroyed when the password is updated
[05:42:36] <angrymike> otaku42: apache2
[05:43:00] <coderanger> You should be able to give an absolute path for the file location
[05:43:19] <angrymike> coderanger: it doesn't have to be in the trac environment?
[05:43:28] <angrymike> coderanger: will give it a go.
[05:43:33] <coderanger> not from the code I am looking at
[05:43:39] <coderanger> it just opens the file
[05:43:45] <angrymike> coderanger: great, will test it now. :)
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[05:48:17] <ptman> Hi! I'm wonderin where you plan releases, because 0.9.7 has looked like it is completed for weeks now, and I can't see any talk about a release date on the mailing lists
[05:48:32] <angrymike> coderanger: I am getting a permission denied error. :\
[05:55:31] <angrymike> coderanger: thanks for your help, but I have to go, be back tomorrow. :)
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[06:56:19] <coderanger_> morning y'all
[07:05:25] <otaku42> moin coderanger_
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[07:29:33] <glen_quagmire> ok i did python setup.py install
[07:29:37] <glen_quagmire> now what?
[07:29:56] <coderanger_> Hmm?
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[07:31:05] <coderanger_> What are you trying to install
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[07:32:06] <glen_quagmire> trac
[07:32:11] <glen_quagmire> i think it went ok
[07:32:18] <glen_quagmire> do I start svn, sqllite?
[07:32:23] <glen_quagmire> i don't want svn part
[07:32:28] <coderanger_> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInstall
[07:32:39] <glen_quagmire> trac-admin /path/to/myproject initenv
[07:32:46] <glen_quagmire> can I just create dummy project directory?
[07:32:52] <coderanger_> Once trac is installed you need to configure a server of some kind
[07:33:00] <glen_quagmire> i won't put my project's source code on this machine
[07:33:08] <glen_quagmire> i'll use Trac for bug tracking
[07:33:38] <coderanger_> Are you running 0.9 or trunk
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[07:34:31] <glen_quagmire> i think trunk
[07:34:33] <glen_quagmire> from svn
[07:34:49] <glen_quagmire> man it's for mac osx 10.3 and i think i need to set up path
[07:36:01] <coderanger_> then you don't need to setup a VC system at all
[07:36:16] <glen_quagmire> VC system?
[07:36:19] <glen_quagmire> Visual C?
[07:36:57] <coderanger_> version control
[07:37:22] <glen_quagmire> okiez
[07:37:37] * glen_quagmire does locate.updatedb to find out where trac is installed
[07:37:56] <coderanger_> You may want to look at one of the Mac install guides
[07:38:07] <coderanger_> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInstallPlatforms
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[07:41:25] <glen_quagmire> yeup i'm folloing those without fink
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[07:54:50] <glen_quagmire> yay trac's running
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[08:05:19] <jacobat> Where's it off to? :P
[08:05:50] <glen_quagmire> to the beach?
[08:05:58] <glen_quagmire> i'm now trying to set it upt to use apache
[08:06:01] <glen_quagmire> not tracd
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[09:28:36] <glen_quagmire> how do I back up entire projects?
[09:28:40] <glen_quagmire> like, parent directory
[09:28:54] <pacopablo> tar cvf /path/to/trac/env
[09:29:05] <glen_quagmire> pacopablo: no trac-admin?
[09:29:16] <glen_quagmire> trac-admin /path/to/projenv hotcopy /path/to/backupdir
[09:29:47] <pacopablo> sure, doesn't matter much
[09:30:01] <pacopablo> if you use postgresql, you'll have to backup your db separately
[09:31:25] <glen_quagmire> i use sqllite
[09:31:28] <glen_quagmire> yay!
[09:34:23] <glen_quagmire> hrm. i can't use hotcopy on parent directory
[09:34:29] <glen_quagmire> /trac/parent/project1
[09:34:42] <glen_quagmire> i need to back up project1 to projectN separately?
[09:35:48] <pacopablo> hotcopy only works on one trac environment
[09:35:53] <pacopablo> at a time that is
[09:36:02] <glen_quagmire> so should I just use tar?
[09:36:13] <pacopablo> yeah, it's just as effective
[09:36:17] <glen_quagmire> or write a script that iterates through parent
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[09:52:30] <tuxipuxi> isn't hotcopy more safe as it checks if the database is locked?
[09:53:04] <pacopablo> possibly
[09:53:12] <pacopablo> though I haven't had any isses with tar
[09:53:55] <tuxipuxi> doesn't mean you couldn't have any ;)
[09:56:51] <pacopablo> true, though now that I use postgres, hotcopy isn't any better than tar :)
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[10:06:41] <pacopablo> is there a processor for diffs?
[10:08:35] <coderanger_> #!diff
[10:08:59] <pacopablo> didn't work for me
[10:09:08] <pacopablo> must be an addition in >0.9
[10:09:22] <pacopablo> since I'm still working on a 0.8.4 environment :)
[10:09:30] <coderanger_> I've lost track at this point
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[10:52:50] <Davey> Hey
[10:52:56] <pacopablo> ho
[10:53:02] <Davey> how do I make trac e-mail people when tickets are put in?
[10:53:16] <Davey> just has to send everything to one address, not like, to each user
[10:53:49] <pacopablo> @faq ini
[10:53:49] <evil_twin> pacopablo: "ini" is See http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracIni for details on the Trac configuration file.
[10:53:54] <pacopablo> notifications section
[10:54:13] <pacopablo> look at the always notify options
[10:57:49] <Guardian> hmm how can I create my own TracLink format ?
[10:58:38] <Guardian> for now i would like to have "reference:001" trac link that redirects to wiki:References#a001 in the meantime i give a try to a bibtex plugin
[10:59:22] <Guardian> that would enable me to use "reference:001" type links in my svn commit messages although my bibtex plugin is not working yet
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[11:03:00] <Guardian> maybe can i achieve this using a wiki macro ?
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[11:26:36] <Guardian> in which source file are the default trac links defined ?
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[11:36:24] <coderanger_> Guardian: Look at the IWikiSyntaxProvider
[11:38:05] <Guard][an> hmm ok
[11:38:34] <pacopablo> anyone know how to get the last year in bash?
[11:38:53] <pacopablo> specifically I need it to be passed as a parameter to a command
[11:39:47] <misc> ~ $ date -d "1 year ago"
[11:39:48] <misc> dim jui 24 20:39:08 CEST 2005
[11:40:00] <misc> ~ $ LC_ALL=C date -d "1 year ago"
[11:40:00] <misc> Sun Jul 24 20:39:20 CEST 2005
[11:40:19] <pacopablo> ooh, thanks
[11:40:25] <pacopablo> that will do the trick
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[13:59:36] <De_Mon> can I put usernames in the cc field instead of addresses?
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[14:02:30] <pacopablo> De_Mon: yes
[14:08:35] <pacopablo> but you won't recieve any email unless the user has entered his/her email in the settings page
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[14:47:52] <alect> afternoon
[14:48:27] <pacopablo> afternoon
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[14:51:55] <rcox_> where is the default wiki page specified? I want to keep the default wiki page, but have my own wiki start page...
[14:52:33] <pacopablo> not sure that is entirely possible
[14:52:51] <pacopablo> I think that the page that the wiki module thinks is the start page is always WikiStart
[14:53:03] <pacopablo> would need to look at the code though
[14:53:28] <pacopablo> you could create a new page: WikiStartOrig and copy the WikiStart page to there
[14:53:35] <pacopablo> and then put your page in WikiStart
[14:54:12] <rcox_> alright, Ill try that... Thanks for the help...
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[15:14:38] <De_Mon> Hmm, I can't put multiple email addresses in my settings?
[15:15:07] <De_Mon> email1@foo.com email2@foo.com I only receieved messages at email1
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