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[00:00:02] <tharvey> is it worth trying or are you sure it won't work with 0.10dev
[00:01:29] <coderanger> It is very dependent on a certain code layout in the trac-hacks repo
[00:01:51] <coderanger> it tries to download from /<pluginname>/<tracversion>/
[00:02:04] <coderanger> If the plugin uses that layout it "should" still work
[00:02:27] <tharvey> I see... so trac-hacks is kidn of lacking a standardized layout mechanism that your plugin could follow
[00:02:38] <coderanger> The metadata stuff should still be online unless alec did something to it
[00:02:50] <coderanger> Yeah
[00:03:13] <coderanger> Thats why I want to use PyPI, as it provides a sturctured way to download things
[00:03:51] <tharvey> so I'm trying to implement a simple 'news' blog like the one on http://trac-hacks.org and I'm still not getting it. I need TracTags, and tBlog (which I have). How are the news items entered? Is each one a page of its own tagged with 'news' or something?
[00:04:00] <coderanger> The problem is PyPI doesn't allow for introspecting dependencies remotely
[00:04:07] <coderanger> yep
[00:04:21] <coderanger> Just look at the trac-hacks page in plain text
[00:04:47] <tharvey> I did, but I'm still not understnading where the news items are. http://trac-hacks.org/news gives an error
[00:06:30] <coderanger> http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/news/2006-06-14-wiki-page-as-pdf-plugin-enabled
[00:06:36] <coderanger> Thats one item
[00:06:46] <tharvey> if I goto http://trac-hacks.org/tags I see that there are 7 pages tagged with 'news' (if I understand correctly) but clicking on 'news' takes you to a blank page
[00:07:41] <tharvey> oh... http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/news is a blank page, but there are 7 'sub-pages' right?
[00:07:53] <coderanger> Thats due to some having made a wiki page called "news" with nothing on it
[00:08:18] <coderanger> They need not be "subpages", but in this case they are
[00:08:42] <tharvey> just a way to organize news items into a structure I assume. So I guess now the only thing I'm missing is that I can't figoure out how to give a page a tag
[00:09:09] <coderanger> Did you disable the built-in wiki module?
[00:09:58] <tharvey> what do you mean by 'built-in' module? I didn't specifically disable anything
[00:11:45] <tharvey> see this is one of my gripes: http://muness.textdriven.com/trac/wiki/tags/Setup - says nothing about what to enable or disable... was I suppoed to disable some built-in feature of trac for TracTags plugin to work?
[00:12:18] <coderanger> Looks like the page got changed
[00:12:21] <tharvey> in my global trac.ini I have 'tractags.* = enabled'
[00:12:28] <coderanger> http://muness.textdriven.com/trac/wiki/tags/Setup?version=63
[00:12:51] <coderanger> A big chunk got removed
[00:13:08] <tharvey> dang... I'll say
[00:14:31] <tharvey> from the page history it looks like that's happeend a few times
[00:14:54] <coderanger> yeah
[00:14:59] <coderanger> probably a spambot
[00:15:00] <tharvey> so changes to trac.ini - do they require a httpd restart?
[00:15:17] <coderanger> to the components section yes, as that alters plugin loading
[00:15:33] <coderanger> other stuff shouldnt, though bad plugins may require it
[00:15:46] <tharvey> sounds reasonable
[00:17:20] <tharvey> bingo! now I have what I expected - a field to set tags
[00:18:29] <tharvey> wow, really need that plugin admin tool to avoid all this frustration and digging through docs that are incorrect
[00:21:19] <tharvey> so, if a news item is a subpage to 'wiki/news' how would I create a new page for a new item without referencing it from another page? It would seem that there must be a way
[00:22:38] <coderanger> Just go to the URL
[00:23:24] <coderanger> You can also use the BlogPost macro
[00:24:29] <tharvey> heh... too easy
[00:27:45] <tharvey> so trac-hacks must use CSS to show the news in a box
[00:28:53] <coderanger> Yep
[00:30:06] <coderanger> Just look at the source for the front page
[00:30:14] <coderanger> its the newsflash stuff
[00:31:43] <tharvey> ya... in there now
[00:31:56] <coderanger> still need to roll that into a macro
[00:33:27] <tharvey> probably put the styles into trac/proj/env/templates/site_css.cs ?
[00:33:36] <coderanger> yep
[00:34:20] <tharvey> I'm familiar with css files, but what is the 'cs' file format being used here?
[00:34:29] <coderanger> clearsilver template
[00:34:39] <coderanger> its the templating language Trac uses
[00:34:53] <coderanger> so you can have dynamic content in site_css
[00:35:04] <coderanger> not that I can think of a case when you need to do this
[00:35:23] <coderanger> but it make things easier in a few places
[00:36:00] <tharvey> ah... ya, I'm not familiar with clearsilver. Its pretty popular for templating?
[00:36:06] <coderanger> not really
[00:36:16] <coderanger> we are moving away from it soon
[00:36:48] <tharvey> for what reasons in general?
[00:37:46] <coderanger> 1) its a C library, 2) its not very pythonic, 3) its just annoying to work with, 4) the HTML it produces it gross
[00:37:52] <coderanger> Thats just off the top of my head
[00:37:54] <tharvey> so I can add standard css outside of the <? cs ?> block?
[00:37:57] <coderanger> yep
[00:38:08] <tharvey> heh
[00:38:44] <tharvey> not very 'pythonic' :) I was actually bummed to find out trac was python vs something like php which I'm familiar with
[00:39:24] <coderanger> Ask any Trac dev about PHP and you will get a long string of expletives ;-)
[00:43:51] <tharvey> heh
[00:44:35] <tharvey> coderanger, thanks for all your help leading me through the hairy install. I've now got my trac up and running with my news blog the way I need it!
[00:44:42] <coderanger> no prob
[00:45:17] <tharvey> I'm looking forward to trying trac out for my project... I've admired it for a while in use for some other projects I work with
[00:46:40] <coderanger> Its good stuff
[00:46:51] <tharvey> yup! gotta catch some z's... thanks again!
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[02:31:52] <mitsuhiko> hiho
[02:32:12] <mitsuhiko> does anybody know how trac adds the plugins folder to the egg load path?
[02:33:44] <coderanger> in trunk?
[02:33:53] <coderanger> it adds it the global working_set
[02:34:21] <coderanger> 0.9 just had some weird (and specific) loader logic
[02:34:42] <coderanger> why?
[02:35:38] <mitsuhiko> jep. tnrk
[02:35:39] <mitsuhiko> *trunk
[02:35:52] <mitsuhiko> coderanger: do you know the file doing that?
[02:36:00] <mitsuhiko> looks like it's not trac.env and trac.core
[02:36:04] <coderanger> http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/trunk/trac/loader.py#L67
[02:36:16] <mitsuhiko> argh. trac.loader
[02:36:18] <coderanger> Beware of monkeying with it though, its somewhat quirky
[02:36:20] <mitsuhiko> thx
[02:36:24] <coderanger> What are you trying to do?
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[02:36:50] <mitsuhiko> coderanger: i wrote a blog entry about a plugin system some weeks ago
[02:37:05] <mitsuhiko> someone asked in the comments about a setuptools plugin tutorial
[02:37:13] <coderanger> Ahh
[02:37:18] <mitsuhiko> and i asked myself if it's possible not to use the site-packages
[02:37:25] * mitsuhiko hates eggs for plugins to be true ^^
[02:37:47] <coderanger> Why?
[02:38:08] <coderanger> Its a pretty simple format to distribute code in
[02:38:35] <mitsuhiko> yeah. but development with eggs isn't that easy
[02:38:50] <coderanger> I've never had any problems with it
[02:38:52] <mitsuhiko> you have to use setup.py develop which links to a global site-packages
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[02:38:57] <mitsuhiko> and requires that the user is root
[02:39:02] <coderanger> No it doesnt
[02:39:08] <coderanger> just use --install-dir
[02:39:13] <mitsuhiko> ah. thx
[02:39:57] <coderanger> Look at the TracBashrc stuff on the trac-hacks
[02:40:10] <coderanger> That should have a recent copy of my dev functions
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[02:47:56] <mitsuhiko> coderanger: doesn't work :(
[02:48:01] <mitsuhiko> i have to add it to PYTHONPATH
[02:48:20] <coderanger> Like I said, look at my bashrc
[02:48:24] <coderanger> use the -m flag
[02:49:29] <mitsuhiko> ah. -m
[02:49:29] <mitsuhiko> thx
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[04:31:53] <i-nZ> Hey. I am trying to setup Trac on my shared hosting and I get this error when trying to run my index.fcgi -> http://paste.i-nz.net/13
[04:32:08] <i-nZ> Any guiadance on what could be wrong ?
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[04:41:29] <mitsuhiko> coderanger: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/entry/setuptools-plugins/
[04:41:39] <mitsuhiko> hope that's correct :)
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[04:50:17] <Guardian> hello, i'm satisfied with trac and do not plan to change since my setup is done and is working great. but still, is there somewhere a good document that compares trac and geforce, out of curiosity ???
[05:14:50] <Gruf> perforce?
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[05:41:06] <Guardian> oh sorry
[05:41:08] <Guardian> gforge !
[05:41:32] <Guardian> when googling for a comparison, google always suggested me to replace "gforge" by "geforce" in my query :)
[05:41:45] <Guardian> seems that it disturbed me ;)
[05:52:18] <Blackhex> me not: http://gforge.org/
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[06:07:15] <tommyd3m1i> Hi all! Does anybody know of a simple script which allows me to import MoinMoin wiki pages into Trac's wiki?
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[06:10:55] <asmodai> coderanger: who was hacking up that SF import script for the python tracker?
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[06:53:00] <flosch> hi
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[08:03:38] <Guardian> is it possible to have different resolve types ?? defect --> fixed but task --> done
[08:03:39] <Guardian> ?
[08:03:45] <Guardian> (i agree it's a detail)
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[08:26:13] <srinidhi> Hi. I'm trying to set up authentication for my local Trac setup. But when I try to login, I get "assert req.remote_user, 'Authentication information not available.'"
[08:26:16] <srinidhi> Any ideas?
[08:42:23] <srinidhi> anybody who can help me?
[08:55:28] <tuxipuxi> please show us your config
[08:55:48] <srinidhi> Trac's or Apache's?
[08:55:56] <tuxipuxi> apache's
[08:56:28] <srinidhi> <VirtualHost 127.0.0.1>
[08:56:29] <srinidhi> DocumentRoot /home/srinidhi/public_html/trac/
[08:56:29] <srinidhi> ServerName srinidhi-is.in
[08:56:29] <srinidhi> ServerAdmin srinidhi@unicorn
[08:56:29] <srinidhi> <Directory />
[08:56:29] <srinidhi> SetHandler mod_python
[08:56:30] <srinidhi> AllowOverride AuthConfig
[08:56:32] <srinidhi> PythonPath "sys.path + ['/home/srinidhi/trac/lib/python2.3/site-packages/']"
[08:56:35] <srinidhi> PythonHandler trac.web.modpython_frontend
[08:56:36] <srinidhi> PythonOption TracEnv /home/srinidhi/public_html/trac/
[08:56:39] <srinidhi> PythonOption TracUriRoot /
[08:56:40] <srinidhi> </Directory>
[08:56:42] <srinidhi> <Location /login>
[08:56:45] <srinidhi> AuthType Basic
[08:56:47] <srinidhi> AuthName "Srinidhi Login"
[08:56:48] <srinidhi> AuthUserFile /home/srinidhi/trac.htusers
[08:56:51] <srinidhi> Require valid-user
[08:56:53] <srinidhi> </Location>
[08:56:54] <srinidhi> # YaST created entry
[08:56:57] <srinidhi> <Directory "/home/srinidhi/public_html/trac/">
[08:56:58] <srinidhi> Options +ExecCGI -Includes +Indexes
[08:57:01] <srinidhi> AllowOverride None
[08:57:03] <srinidhi> Order allow,deny
[08:57:04] <srinidhi> Allow from all
[08:57:06] <srinidhi> </Directory>
[08:57:09] <srinidhi> </VirtualHost>
[08:57:15] <srinidhi> I've installed Trac with a different prefix - /home/srinidhi/trac/
[09:15:03] <maxb> Is there any plan to start dealing with the idiotic stream of nonsense comments besieging Trac's Trac?
[09:16:33] <maxb> Is TicketDelete installed on Trac's Trac, and where can I find someone with the privileges to use it/
[09:16:35] <maxb> ?
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[09:24:04] <polipie> http://wina.ugent.be/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/timeline <- my trac is overrun by spambots
[09:24:53] <polipie> hmm
[09:24:59] <polipie> anti-spam mod, nice :)
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[09:38:00] <polipie> DistributionNotFound: dnspython>=1.3.5
[09:38:01] <polipie> >>> Merging dev-python/dnspython-1.3.5 to /
[09:38:06] <polipie> i dont get it
[09:38:23] <polipie> i just installed dnspython 1.3.5 in the python directory
[09:38:39] <polipie> and now trac doesn't work anymore
[09:38:41] <polipie> :|
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[11:49:23] <coderanger> polipie: Make sure you install is using easy_install
[11:49:34] <coderanger> polipie: Otherwise setuptools won't know about it
[11:49:50] <coderanger> asmodai: I think cmlenz was working on it last
[11:52:39] <coderanger> maxb: I think most of the devs dislike the idea of deleting tickets on principle alone, but I agree that it may be needed shortly
[11:53:15] <maxb> coderanger: I just want to have the idiotic comments deleted
[11:53:52] <maxb> see #1890 for examples
[11:53:55] <coderanger> Its easier to just leave them there, and you avoid the risk of accusations of subjectivity in deletiongs
[11:54:34] <maxb> these aren't merely offtopic. They are spammish nonsense
[11:54:59] <coderanger> In the case of those I agree, but it gets very fuzzy
[11:55:11] <coderanger> There are a lot of idiots out there using Trac
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[11:57:53] <polipie> aha
[11:57:57] <polipie> gonne try it
[11:58:33] <smileaf> I can't seem to find it in the documentation, nor an option in the ini. How do you allow registration?
[11:59:23] <coderanger> smileaf: You need to install a plugin that allows it, such as AccountManager
[12:00:25] <smileaf> coderanger: ah ha! was quickly looking in the trac-hacks website for register.
[12:03:06] <polipie> coderanger: tnx man! Trac works again.
[12:03:24] <polipie> maybe better add to the howto to install dnspython with easy_install
[12:03:51] <polipie> or maybe im just a great moron who can't read good lol hehe
[12:04:49] <coderanger> polipie: Its still somewhat in development ;-)
[12:07:23] <polipie> hehe ;-)
[12:07:47] <polipie> gonna install the ticket delete function now, so i can remove all the spam entries
[12:08:33] <coderanger> heh
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[12:24:50] <polipie> pff :|
[12:24:58] <polipie> ticketdelete plugin wont activate
[12:25:02] <polipie> i installed the egg
[12:25:09] <polipie> but i dont see it at the admin section
[12:25:28] <smileaf> coderanger: I've followed all the directions and the plugin does not seem to do anything but I now get a internal server error every once in a while =)
[12:25:29] <polipie> [components]
[12:25:30] <polipie> tracspamfilter.* = enabled
[12:25:30] <polipie> webadmin.* = enabled
[12:25:30] <polipie> tracticketdelete.* = enabled
[12:25:53] <coderanger> just "ticketdelete.* = enabled"
[12:26:41] <polipie> tnx, okay, fixing next error now =)
[12:28:05] <polipie> yeah, it works
[13:12:03] <coderanger> gah
[13:12:09] <coderanger> can we just switch to Markup now ...
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[14:11:05] <coderanger> hmm
[14:11:10] <coderanger> any devs around?
[14:12:42] <Blackhex> only me :-)
[14:12:46] <coderanger> heh
[14:13:00] <coderanger> the ctxtnav bar stuff seems to not work well in webadmin plugins
[14:14:16] <cmlenz> how so?
[14:15:08] <coderanger> It aligns with the top of the div that encloses the webadmin subpage
[14:15:25] <coderanger> so its not right under the mainnav bar
[14:16:32] <coderanger> Not much you can do to fix that I suppose though
[14:17:14] <cmlenz> not sure I understand
[14:17:20] <cmlenz> have a screenshot or sth?
[14:17:25] <coderanger> one sec
[14:18:04] <Blackhex> ctxnav div is insside content div
[14:18:12] <Blackhex> is that right?
[14:19:13] <cmlenz> ah, no it's not
[14:19:17] <cmlenz> i.e. it shouldn't, but is
[14:19:29] <cmlenz> I'll fix that
[14:20:42] <coderanger> http://coderanger.net/static/ctxtnav-bug.tiff
[14:20:56] <cmlenz> done
[14:21:16] <cmlenz> coderanger: should now be fixed
[14:21:18] <cmlenz> thanks :-)
[14:21:31] <coderanger> Did one of you guys fix the ugly ticket thing?
[14:22:16] <coderanger> Don't know if Alec put a ticket in for it
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[14:23:51] <coderanger> cmlenz: I'm not sure if that will help with this
[14:24:08] <coderanger> cmlenz: I am trying to have a ctxtnav bar for the webadmin subpage itself
[14:24:27] <cmlenz> well, you can't really do that right now
[14:24:39] <coderanger> yeah, thats what I though
[14:24:54] <cmlenz> the ctxtnav stuff is a mess
[14:25:02] <cmlenz> I've long wanted to cleanup the navigation story in trac
[14:25:15] <coderanger> I can do it with ctxtnavadd, but that is annoying dependency
[14:25:56] <cmlenz> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracProject/UiGuidelines
[14:26:14] <cmlenz> ctxtnav in itself is bad and very inconsistent
[14:26:24] <cmlenz> sometimes it's used for paging, sometimes for module-level links, etc
[14:26:52] <cmlenz> that's probably the major reason I've never bothered to make an API for it
[14:26:59] <cmlenz> it just doesn't make sense
[14:28:19] <coderanger> I guess I can just use two webadmin subpages for this, but its somewhat less elegant
[14:29:05] <The_Tick> sorry to interrupt, and I don't need an immediate answer as this is irc and it is a sunday, but I'm looking for something similar to mantis relationships for Trac if anyone knows of anything
[14:29:11] <coderanger> Or I could put both forms on one page, thats probably better
[14:29:28] <cmlenz> coderanger: yeah, I'd do the latter, too
[14:29:34] <coderanger> The_Tick: I am not familiar with mantis, can you describe them?
[14:29:40] * The_Tick can do better
[14:29:44] <The_Tick> http://bugs.mantisbt.org/view.php?id=7297
[14:29:57] <The_Tick> scroll down to the relationships section
[14:30:01] <cmlenz> The_Tick: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/31
[14:30:08] <coderanger> The_Tick: Not yet doable
[14:30:22] <The_Tick> cmlenz: ya, saw the ticket, figured there might be a plugin
[14:30:31] <The_Tick> thanks to you both :)
[14:30:38] <coderanger> The new workflow branch should allow for it
[14:30:50] <coderanger> If you don't mind experimental stuff
[14:31:04] <The_Tick> nah, not going to exp with a bug tracker, hehe
[14:31:24] <coderanger> check back in 10-12 months and it should be doable
[14:31:26] <The_Tick> especially with adium's size, heh
[14:32:08] <The_Tick> cool
[14:32:16] <The_Tick> cmlenz: btw, that spam blocking stuff is great :)
[14:32:16] <coderanger> You can setup custom fields for things, but Trac won't enforce them or anything
[14:32:29] <The_Tick> ya :(
[14:32:51] <The_Tick> oh well
[14:35:38] <coderanger> Someone needs to go through and clean up the t.e.o tracker
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[15:12:50] <Blackhex> what is with trac-hacks?
[15:13:02] <coderanger> hmm?
[15:13:39] <Blackhex> seemed offline but it is all right now
[15:15:36] <Blackhex> little overloaded :-)
[15:15:49] <coderanger> I know alec has been trying to get things work better
[15:16:01] <coderanger> The site has taken off more than anyone expected
[15:16:42] <Blackhex> ok, thanks
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[18:01:42] <Jippi> Where can i find trac plugins ?
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[18:03:00] <Jippi> Where can i find trac plugins ? o,o
[18:03:06] <The_Tick> you just asked
[18:03:10] <The_Tick> I haven't even had time to google it
[18:03:11] <The_Tick> lol
[18:03:26] <The_Tick> http://www.google.com/search?q=trac+plugin&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
[18:03:29] <Jippi> Ye, but i got some odd : (02:53:46) �� can't join #trac (auth'ed only (+r))! message
[18:03:40] <Jippi> so thought my messages was ignored :p
[18:05:11] <Jippi> i know how to google for trac plugins - but cant find any lists
[18:05:54] <coderanger> Jippi: trac-hacks
[18:06:27] <Jippi> trac-hacks ?
[18:06:36] <coderanger> trac-hacks.org
[18:07:13] <Jippi> oki
[18:08:55] <coderanger> What are you looking for?
[18:10:13] <Jippi> thanks
[18:10:18] <Jippi> im not sure - just installed trac :)
[18:10:51] <coderanger> ahh
[18:11:43] <Jippi> can you recommend any?
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[18:14:45] <coderanger> What kinds of things are you going to use Trac for?
[18:21:43] <Jippi> hmm - why does the trac gant module keep disapareing and apearing each time i reload the page o,o
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[18:26:40] <Jippi> odd
[18:27:44] <Jippi> http://trac.guu.dk/test/gantt
[18:27:51] <Jippi> works sometimes - other times not
[18:29:47] <The_Tick> this is a public trac install?
[18:30:03] <Jippi> so far yeah
[18:30:12] <The_Tick> heh, just wait on the spammers
[18:30:48] <Jippi> its not going to stay public - but easier to get help when things is public :)
[18:31:01] <The_Tick> yea, kk
[18:31:05] <The_Tick> the gantt thing is weird
[18:31:13] <The_Tick> the author said it was flakey when I talked to him
[18:32:13] <Jippi> still - to work half the time is just odd
[18:34:08] <Jippi> also : http://trac.guu.dk/test/browser :P
[18:41:41] <coderanger> did you reload your server after installing it?
[18:42:49] <coderanger> to a trac-admin resync to clear that second error