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August 03, 2006

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[00:04:24] <alect> fcgi is as fast, if not faster, then mod_python
[00:04:31] <alect> and less painful imo
[00:06:12] <mitsuhiko> alect: fcgi is faster than mod_python. and it features less bugs ;)
[00:18:17] <Semhirage> i enjoy lighttpd + fcgi
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[00:22:03] <agnul> uhm... you're suggesting I give it a try?
[00:22:09] <agnul> :)
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[02:04:52] <The_Tick> cmlenz: yo
[02:05:18] <cmlenz> hi
[02:05:28] <The_Tick> hey, got an idea :D
[02:05:48] <The_Tick> in the INSTALL file, you guys have the req's
[02:05:56] <The_Tick> and, for instance, this one: * Subversion SWIG Python bindings (not PySVN).
[02:06:13] <The_Tick> maybe a url to it would be useful in the INSTALL
[02:06:56] <The_Tick> since you guys have that comment about it not being PySVN that's needed, might be cool to have the info on it
[02:07:01] <The_Tick> maybe not, *shrug*
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[02:24:22] <cmlenz> there's no real URL to the Subversion SWIG python bindings
[02:24:29] <cmlenz> because they are included with Subversion
[02:25:42] <The_Tick> maybe a note then?
[02:25:46] * The_Tick shrugs
[02:25:55] <The_Tick> was reading it for something else, and noted that
[02:41:57] <The_Tick> grrr
[02:42:04] <The_Tick> the subversion on dreamhost sucks
[02:42:06] * The_Tick sighs
[02:43:15] <ranq_> now now, the_tick
[02:43:17] <ranq_> cheer up
[02:44:00] * The_Tick would if it wasn't just one thing after another
[02:44:55] <The_Tick> unless I'm mistaken, the svn installed by the dreamhost panel is 1.1.4
[02:45:05] <The_Tick> without the swig python bindings
[02:45:25] <The_Tick> unless I'm reading this traceback wrong
[02:45:57] <The_Tick> so when I go to initenv, it takes all the arguments and then fails :)
[02:51:18] <Sebastian> Is there an estimate for a release date of Trac 0.10? Couldn't find that information on the website.
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[02:59:53] <The_Tick> hmm, maybe I'm wrong
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[03:03:21] <puggy> I've installed the account manager plugin on a new machine and for some reason it just doesn't seem to appear on the trac. It's python so the fact that the box is amd64 shouldn't matter.
[03:04:10] <puggy> The file is in: /usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/TracAccountManager-0.1.2-py2.4.egg
[03:04:28] <puggy> There is nothin in trac logs suggesting it is being used.
[03:08:07] <puggy> ah, my fault, I'd been trying to fix the date format (And failing) and when I removed the setting for LC_ALL and the trac_env it came bac
[03:08:10] <puggy> back*
[03:11:34] <puggy> Any information on how to fix the date format would be appreciated though.
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[03:16:38] <puggy> My python appears not to have a default locale set, any idea how to set that?
[03:16:47] <puggy> >>> locale.getlocale()
[03:16:47] <puggy> (None, None)
[03:18:14] <puggy> Which is interesting as that is supposed to use the ANSI C locale, which when I run that, I get the correct en_BG locale
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[03:27:43] <Blackhex> hi all
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[03:57:38] <ExitMenu> hello does anyone know of a plug in for trac that lets you e-mail wiki pages ,my googling has come up with solutions for e-mailing in tickets but not wiki ?
[03:58:23] <The_Tick> like a "email this" button?
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[04:04:26] <ExitMenu> sorry pressed the wrong key, so any ideas ?
[04:06:19] <The_Tick> 05:57 < The_Tick> like a "email this" button?
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[04:38:04] <Blackhex> any idea how to get value of auto increment field after table insert?
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[04:40:04] <ranq_> check your sql engine documentation
[04:41:45] <Blackhex> and independently to the engine
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[04:50:32] <ranq_> well there is no standard afaik. but the api docs should tell you how to do that
[04:51:52] <ptman> yes, there is no standard, and it is a pain in the ass
[04:52:40] <Blackhex> I can't rely on sqlite backent, I'm asking for trac related solution
[04:52:52] <Blackhex> thanks anyway
[04:58:30] <ExitMenu> hi sorry I had to go to a meeting, no I was thinging more like the ability for trac to get wiki entries from an e-mail. So I write and e-mail and send to to an account from which trac picks it up and makes it into a wiki entry ?
[05:01:30] <The_Tick> haven't heard of one, no
[05:01:35] <The_Tick> might be neato
[05:03:57] <ExitMenu> oh well I will have to look into it
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[08:31:20] <hobu> Is it possible to use trac without the repository browser? I removed browser from mainnav, but trac just puts it on the end now.
[08:31:51] <hobu> (0.9.3 is my version)
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[08:35:50] <pacopablo> hobu: you need to disable the browser components in trac.ini
[08:36:08] <pacopablo> and if you upgrade to trunk, then you can actually run without a repository
[08:38:28] <hobu> it was not possible to run w/o a repos in 0.9.3?
[08:39:37] <pacopablo> no
[08:39:45] <pacopablo> at least you need a repos to initenv
[08:40:07] <pacopablo> afterwards you can disable the browser component and not see it
[08:40:12] <galis> pacopablo: around?
[08:40:12] <pacopablo> install the webadmin plugin
[08:40:34] <pacopablo> and then in there disable all things related to versioncontrol (I think that's the component)
[08:40:36] <hobu> I'm init'd, so that's an approach I can take
[08:40:37] <pacopablo> galis: si
[08:40:51] <galis> pacopablo: oops page up too many times
[08:41:12] <galis> what do you think?
[08:41:20] <hobu> thanks pacopablo. trac.versioncontrol.*=disabled in my trac.ini did the trick
[08:41:20] <pacopablo> which oops page up? the memory error?
[08:41:32] <pacopablo> hobu: np
[08:41:51] <galis> me oops, didn't see you talking in my irc window...
[08:42:04] <galis> should I gen a trac ticket?
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[08:42:21] <pacopablo> for your memory error?
[08:42:25] <galis> yeah
[08:42:34] <pacopablo> you could, but I'm not conviced that it's a trac issue
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[08:42:49] <pacopablo> I was able to upload a Knoppix ISO to my trac site
[08:43:04] <pacopablo> and that's a touch larger than your 23MB "y" file :)
[08:43:06] <galis> what;s with the making rtf into html durring attach?
[08:43:23] <derelm> i tried setting up trac on a subdomain of my site, but i can't seem to get urls right (using mod_python and trac that came with debian sarge)
[08:43:23] <pacopablo> I haven't tried to duplicate that one yet
[08:43:31] <pacopablo> so it may be worth submitting that one
[08:43:35] <derelm> can someone assist
[08:43:48] <galis> are you using netbsd?
[08:43:52] <pacopablo> derelm: only if you provide the appropriate info
[08:43:57] <pacopablo> galis: no, I'm using linux
[08:44:10] <derelm> pacopablo: what would be needed?
[08:44:19] <galis> maybe semaphores are used different
[08:44:36] <pacopablo> relevent sections for trac.ini and your apache config and any tracebacks, or examples of the problem
[08:44:40] <pacopablo> and use pastebin
[08:44:44] <pacopablo> @faq pastebin
[08:44:44] <evil_twin> pacopablo: "pastebin" is http://trac.pastebin.com
[08:44:51] <pacopablo> galis: very probably
[08:45:08] <derelm> pastebin is like sloooooow
[08:45:29] <galis> what's required to write to tmp then move, vs attach to mem first?
[08:45:38] <pacopablo> anyway, the render issue, while possibly aggravated in netbsd, might be worthwhile to look into
[08:45:44] <pacopablo> derelm: use pstebin.ca then
[08:45:49] <pacopablo> er, pastebin.ca
[08:46:12] <pacopablo> or just plain pastebin.com
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[08:46:25] <pacopablo> something must be up with his subdomain stuff
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[08:49:52] <galis> pacopablo: what's required to write attach to tmp then move, vs write to mem then copy to file? is that mod_python or trac?
[08:50:13] <pacopablo> galis: mostly mod_python
[08:50:33] <pacopablo> though really there are multiple places in the req object that might need to be adjusted
[08:50:39] <galis> is it a matter of how trac calls or just one standard lib?
[08:50:48] <galis> ..oh
[08:51:04] <pacopablo> mmm, it's a matter of how trac handles the the request field
[08:51:40] <galis> I'm getting at is this something I need to do or something trac crew can own/fix in a month or so?
[08:52:10] <pacopablo> my guess is that it's probably better for you to tackle it.
[08:52:26] <galis> okay thanks! :)
[08:52:26] <pacopablo> as other can't seem to duplicate it, and the trac team is trying to get 0.10 released
[08:52:46] <galis> what is 0.10???
[08:52:54] <derelm> pacopablo: http://pastebin.ca/113432
[08:53:10] <pacopablo> galis: the next release of trac
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[08:53:30] <pacopablo> which is imminent
[08:53:37] <galis> ah, 1.0
[08:53:43] <pacopablo> no, 0.10
[08:53:50] <galis> doh!
[08:53:51] <pacopablo> currently trac is at 0.9.6
[08:53:59] <pacopablo> next release is 0.10 :)
[08:54:03] <pacopablo> 1.0 is still a ways off
[08:54:22] <galis> I must have my user hat on
[08:56:05] <derelm> pacopablo: i realized that my problem is somewhat special due to the way i assing subdomains to a certain domain
[08:56:58] <pacopablo> derelm: try using a location match instead of a directory match
[08:57:10] <pacopablo> so: <Location />
[08:57:11] <derelm> i am using that
[08:57:29] <pacopablo> I don't see that in the snippit you pasted
[08:57:36] <pacopablo> you have a match for login
[08:57:40] <derelm> i fixed it right after posting
[08:57:46] <derelm> but my problem is
[08:58:22] <derelm> due to the special layout i use <LocationMatch /login> will match on all subdomains of the main domain
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[08:59:16] <pacopablo> and you want different logins for each?
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[09:00:07] <derelm> i have trac.mydom www.mydom if i access /login on either of them, i'll get the login of trac
[09:00:35] <pacopablo> and what do you want to happen?
[09:01:18] <derelm> only trac.mydom/login should bring up tracs login
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[09:01:46] <pacopablo> and do you have a separate VirtualHost for trac.mydom ?
[09:02:03] <derelm> no, in fact it's done via rewrite"magic"
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[09:02:25] <pacopablo> is there a good reason why you can't use a vhost?
[09:02:57] <derelm> i wanted to be able to create subdomains easyly by creating a new subdir in ftp
[09:03:38] <pacopablo> it's possible that you might be able to do it via macro and vhost
[09:03:44] <pacopablo> though I haven't tried that way
[09:03:49] <derelm> hm
[09:03:59] <pacopablo> other than that, I can't really think of a way to cahnge the LocationMatch to work
[09:04:11] <pacopablo> as the LocationMatch doesn't really know anything about the domain
[09:04:24] <derelm> it's not planned to do the authentication stuff inside trac?
[09:04:47] <pacopablo> no
[09:04:51] <galis> pacopablo: how close do you all work with the pkgsrc maintainer (epg@NetBSD.org)? eg if I use pkgsrc in production, should I patch pkgsrc or http://svn.edgewall.com/repos/trac/trunk/
[09:05:05] <pacopablo> though I guess you could grab the account manager plugin from trac-hacks.org
[09:05:09] <pacopablo> and use form based auth
[09:05:13] <pacopablo> that shoudl actually work
[09:05:46] <derelm> oh i didn't something like that existed, pacopablo thanks for your time
[09:05:47] <pacopablo> galis: I honestly don't know :)
[09:05:59] <pacopablo> galis: my guess is patch pkgsrc
[09:06:07] <pacopablo> though cmlenz would be a better person to ask
[09:06:40] <pacopablo> derelm: no
[09:06:46] <pacopablo> er, s/no/np
[09:06:50] <derelm> ;)
[09:06:58] * pacopablo frowns.
[09:07:09] <derelm> btw, i am looking for current packages of trac for debian sarge?
[09:07:31] <pacopablo> looks like I"m going to have to hack smtplib to get the full 250 line on a successful mail
[09:07:53] <pacopablo> derelm: I'm no debian user, but I think there are updated ones in unstable
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[09:10:01] <galis> pacopablo: tried to query cmlenz, "Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems," any public email address?
[09:10:20] <cmlenz> I'm here
[09:10:23] <cmlenz> :-)
[09:10:41] <cmlenz> but I don't know anything about pkgsrc
[09:10:51] <galis> cmlenz: oh... hi have you seen http://pastebin.ca/110771?
[09:11:21] <cmlenz> ouch
[09:11:26] <cmlenz> buy more memory ;-)
[09:11:33] <pacopablo> cmlenz: there isn't much interaction with package mantainers from varsion distros/plateforms, is there?
[09:12:04] <cmlenz> galis: where does that happen... what kind of file/content?
[09:12:07] <galis> 2.5Gb it's strict semaphores in netbsd causing the prob I think.
[09:12:14] <cmlenz> pacopablo: pretty much only with the debian folks
[09:12:25] <pacopablo> cmlenz: I think the memory error is netbsd related, as I can't replicate it on linux
[09:12:54] <pacopablo> but it does look like files that can be rendered are, even if the file is too big for rendering
[09:13:08] <pacopablo> well, at least they are put in the HDF in some form
[09:13:49] <cmlenz> there's a limit you can set in trac.ini
[09:13:55] <cmlenz> max_preview_size or sth
[09:14:01] <galis> mod_python, apache2-ssl, netbsd-3-0-1, extra semaphores to startup, but attachments fail at about 25Mb, smaller for renderable mime
[09:14:09] <galis> max is set to one byte
[09:14:18] <cmlenz> that's on upload?
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[09:14:25] <galis> it's rendering into memory on upload
[09:14:38] <pacopablo> yeah, it's on upload
[09:14:41] <cmlenz> the traceback isn't in the upload
[09:14:55] <galis> upload was the action.
[09:14:55] <cmlenz> oh
[09:14:56] <cmlenz> crap
[09:15:04] <cmlenz> that's the req.args cruft
[09:15:09] <pacopablo> yeah
[09:15:14] <cmlenz> ouch :-(
[09:15:25] <cmlenz> which trac version?
[09:15:42] <galis> cmlenz: sec
[09:16:21] <galis> DISTNAME= trac-0.9.5
[09:16:23] <pacopablo> bbias
[09:18:58] <cmlenz> I *think* that should be fixed in trunk
[09:19:22] <galis> cmlenz: is that to me ??? :)
[09:19:27] <cmlenz> yeah
[09:19:41] <galis> is head stable?
[09:20:03] <galis> is there a tag I should use?
[09:20:07] <cmlenz> pretty much
[09:20:15] <cmlenz> just trunk
[09:20:31] <cmlenz> http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/trunk/trac/web/main.py#L116
[09:20:36] <cmlenz> "others are file uploads"
[09:20:43] <cmlenz> that's why I think it's fixed
[09:20:58] <galis> can I use that alone?
[09:21:07] <cmlenz> nope
[09:21:13] <cmlenz> it depends on a whole lot of other stuff
[09:21:28] <cmlenz> i.e. you can't just use that snippet, you'll have to use trunk
[09:21:37] <galis> okay, sounds like I'll be busy for a while, will give it a shot
[09:21:45] <galis> any eta on 0.10?
[09:22:04] <cmlenz> RSN(tm)
[09:22:12] <cmlenz> "sometime before Vista"
[09:22:13] <cmlenz> all that
[09:22:18] <cmlenz> :-P
[09:22:34] <cmlenz> it's basically ready, but we need to go through the release mechanics
[09:22:43] <galis> :) well leme see if I can come up with a comment before the end of the weekend...
[09:24:20] <galis> maybe later today but I've only always used pkgsrc
[09:24:30] <galis> ciao, and thanks.
[09:26:44] <cmlenz> np
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[11:54:14] <wsanchez> Hi, all. I'm looking to get rid of the "Your email or username:" field in the New Ticket page, but not finding an option to do so. The twisted trac install does this, so I know its doable. Any hints?
[11:55:02] <wsanchez> I'm also wondering how the "Assign to:" pop-up list is populated...
[11:55:17] <maxb> wsanchez: Hi! Get rid of it in which circumstances?
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[11:55:47] <wsanchez> Well, unauthenticated users are not allowed to file new tickets in my case, so I want it to always use your login.
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[11:55:51] <maxb> wsanchez: All authenticated users who have logged in to trac, I think.
[11:56:18] <wsanchez> maxb: The pop-up is not that
[11:56:37] <maxb> For authenticated users, that field is now gone entirely, in trac 0.10
[11:56:39] <exarkun> It's some combination of users who have authenticated, not recently logged out, and performed some other somewhat obscure operation.
[11:56:53] <pacopablo> @faq trac.ini
[11:56:53] <evil_twin> pacopablo: Error: No factoid matches that key.
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[11:57:00] <pacopablo> !faq ini
[11:57:04] <pacopablo> gah, @faq ini
[11:57:10] <pacopablo> @faq ini
[11:57:10] <evil_twin> pacopablo: "ini" is See http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracIni for details on the Trac configuration file.
[11:57:11] <wsanchez> I'm logged in as wsanchez@apple.com but that's not in the list, for example. Plus I'd ideally like to manage that list to a subset of users
[11:57:16] <exarkun> irc bots as user interface failures: discuss.
[11:57:24] <cmlenz> x
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[11:57:55] <cmlenz> arg
[11:57:56] <cmlenz> ah
[11:58:17] <maxb> I don't think you can manage the "assign to" list without dipping into the code
[11:58:32] <pacopablo> wsanchez: specifically restrict_owner in the ticket section
[11:59:02] <pacopablo> to appear on the list, one needs to login and then set their email address in the settings page
[11:59:09] <wsanchez> pacopablo, yes that enables the pop-up. But I can't figure out how it is populated.
[11:59:17] <pacopablo> 11:59 < pacopablo> to appear on the list, one needs to login and then set their email address in the settings page
[11:59:50] <pacopablo> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTickets#Assign-toasDrop-DownList
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[12:00:14] <wsanchez> OK, so here's what I have. I had an account "wsanchez" and before there was a pop-up, I assigned a ticket to "wsanchez". But now there is no wsanchez, because I switched to using email addresses as account names. I am now logged in as wsanchez@apple.com, but only "wsanchez" is in the pop-up list.
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[12:01:14] <pacopablo> as the user "wsanchez@apple.com" have you set your email address "wsanchez@apple.com" in the settings page?
[12:01:37] <wsanchez> aha
[12:01:37] <wsanchez> ok
[12:01:50] <wsanchez> so can I delete the "wsanchez" entry? Where is that stored?
[12:02:05] <pacopablo> session table I believe
[12:02:20] <wsanchez> I'm gonna need SQL sauce, then
[12:02:24] <pacopablo> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/DatabaseSchema
[12:02:25] <pacopablo> yes
[12:02:42] <wsanchez> ok
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[12:03:21] <wsanchez> Or, if I have AccountManager, perhaps I can log in as that guy and delete myself
[12:05:01] <pacopablo> probably
[12:05:34] <pacopablo> technically, one would only need to delete the email address in the settings page
[12:05:51] <pacopablo> s/technically/theoretically
[12:06:30] <wsanchez> I don't think that account ever set an email address, but before there was a pop-up, I could type anything into the assign to field
[12:09:27] <pacopablo> but it now appears in the dropdown?
[12:10:05] <wsanchez> yes
[12:11:10] <pacopablo> hmm, do you have access to the db?
[12:11:22] <pacopablo> if so, I'd check to see if an email address is set in the session table
[12:11:47] <wsanchez> Yeah, I see the session table, but I can't tell what the column names are
[12:11:53] <wsanchez> wsanchez|1|name|Wilfredo Sánchez Vega
[12:11:53] <wsanchez> wsanchez|1|email|wsanchez@wsanchez.net
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[12:12:08] <wsanchez> (That's select * from session;)
[12:12:18] <pacopablo> using sqlite?
[12:12:32] <pacopablo> .schema session
[12:12:45] <wsanchez> ok, thanks
[12:12:52] <pacopablo> obviously, an email address was set
[12:12:57] <pacopablo> wsanchez|1|email|wsanchez@wsanchez.net
[12:13:07] <pacopablo> so that's why it appears
[12:13:11] <pacopablo> bbl
[12:13:34] <wsanchez> OK, got it. thanks!
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[12:30:07] <coderanger_> s0undt3ch: How do you have webadmin installed?
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