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August 10, 2006

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[01:40:22] <dcab> hi all
[01:40:59] <dcab> my trac sometimes doesn't save changes in wiki
[01:41:05] <dcab> what it could be?
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[01:49:37] <cmlenz> do you get an error message?
[01:50:17] <ikonia> are any of you using trac against postgres ?
[01:54:30] <dcab> no... doesn't have any errors
[01:54:38] <dcab> and it only in IE
[01:55:04] <dcab> also I have empty page on preview
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[01:57:13] <ikonia> sorry I scrolled the screen to fast
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[01:57:21] <ikonia> is anyone using trac against postgress backend
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[02:13:48] <asmodai> cmlenz: I think I am starting to understand your point of view.
[02:14:32] <cmlenz> my pov on life, the universe and all that? :-P
[02:14:54] <asmodai> cmlenz: Right. In specific about Django.
[02:15:02] <ikonia> whats up ?
[02:15:06] <ikonia> whats the interesting POV
[02:15:29] <asmodai> Interesting is subjective of course.
[02:15:34] <felis> is Trac planning on moving to Django?
[02:15:36] <ikonia> of course
[02:15:42] <asmodai> felis: Nope.
[02:15:50] <asmodai> Last I knew at least.
[02:16:00] <felis> or any of the other new, cool web frameworks?
[02:16:06] <asmodai> felis: It wouldn't work.
[02:16:32] <asmodai> cmlenz: Which is the point, the frameworks dwindle in use whenever you start to tread in waters they haven't covered before.
[02:16:48] <felis> i can't really see why it wouldn't work, but it would most likely require a total rewrite of the code
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[02:18:18] <felis> and the point you just presented (the work involved with taking web frameworks out of their safehouse and into new ground) is a good one. I played with TurboGears for a project earlier, but it changes far too much between versions, and is way too hard to work with when you start thinking out of their box.
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[03:07:17] <drdave> Polite but stupid question: I have a subversion repository - what happens / can happen when I make a commit to subversion?
[03:08:05] <asmodai> in what sense?
[03:08:05] <drdave> That is are there any notifications / where does Trac know / display / detect these new commits
[03:08:44] <drdave> I have used Trac previously - but failed to get subversion installed
[03:09:11] <drdave> And I have a subversion repository - am trying to learn about how they integrate
[03:09:28] <drdave> Ok - I know about making links manually
[03:09:40] <asmodai> It automatically picks up any recent commit, IIRC by seeing what changed from the last time it checked the repository when the webpage gets opened.
[03:09:42] <drdave> But wandering what happens and howto import the repository
[03:09:59] <asmodai> first time you set up trac it indexes the current repo
[03:10:28] <drdave> OK - Trac is already set up on another machine
[03:10:35] <drdave> Sunversion is on local network
[03:10:43] <asmodai> from trac-admin you can also call a sync method
[03:10:59] <drdave> OK - looking...
[03:13:08] <drdave> Can't see a sync method there?
[03:13:13] <cmlenz> resync
[03:13:25] <asmodai> that's what I meant
[03:13:28] * asmodai pats cmlenz
[03:13:30] <asmodai> thanks :)
[03:13:39] <cmlenz> heh
[03:13:56] <drdave> I'm taking a look at http://assembla.com...
[03:14:16] <asmodai> cmlenz: How's life otherwise?
[03:14:26] <drdave> Trying to decide whether to use it or go through the pleasure of installing Trac on my servers :)
[03:14:43] <cmlenz> asmodai: fine... but in dire need of a vacation :-P
[03:14:48] <drdave> So - there may be stuff missing on their set up?
[03:15:06] <asmodai> cmlenz: I'm bound for Norway next week. Part vacation, part job interview
[03:15:24] <cmlenz> cool
[03:15:33] <cmlenz> opera? ;-)
[03:15:34] <asmodai> cmlenz: *nod* the job definitely sounds like it :)
[03:15:36] <asmodai> cmlenz: nope
[03:15:40] <asmodai> cmlenz: I have contacts there though
[03:15:43] <asmodai> cmlenz: Falanx
[03:15:53] <asmodai> cmlenz: working on 3d hardware and supporting tools, if all goes well
[03:16:12] <cmlenz> neat
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[03:16:24] <asmodai> cmlenz: *nods* definitely
[03:16:50] <asmodai> cmlenz: at the moment trying to fix up this submission form at work, but what I thought I could easily handle with jQuery is now being held back by Django =\
[03:17:18] <cmlenz> yeah, I know that all too well :-(
[03:17:26] <cmlenz> django is seriously overhyped
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[03:17:51] <asmodai> cmlenz: I think the problem lies with most frameworks, although I am not 100% sure.
[03:18:20] <asmodai> cmlenz: I mean, seriously, is my issue such a novel idea? Dynamic adding of extra input fields for a form is quite normal for a long while now.
[03:19:12] <cmlenz> well, I can imagine many frameworks failing there
[03:19:52] <cmlenz> are you in the admin app?
[03:20:05] <asmodai> cmlenz: I can open it in a sec
[03:20:11] <asmodai> cmlenz: why?
[03:20:26] <cmlenz> I mean, are you trying to integrate that in the admin app, or in a custom view?
[03:20:31] <asmodai> ahh no, custom view
[03:20:41] <asmodai> cmlenz: http://sinclair.ubib.eur.nl/repub/submission/
[03:20:48] <cmlenz> and the problem is getting the data in your manipulator?
[03:21:11] <asmodai> cmlenz: I got it working, but at the moment I got author and keyword as one field, I want to make these dynamic
[03:21:28] <asmodai> cmlenz: So I figured, hey, lets abuse jQuery for some DOM manipulation to duplicate fields
[03:21:34] <asmodai> cmlenz: provide nifty add/remove buttons
[03:22:06] <cmlenz> I wouldn't call that abuse ;-)
[03:22:15] <asmodai> *grin*
[03:22:30] <asmodai> I mean, why reinvent the wheel when jquery fits right up that alley
[03:26:52] <The_Tick> hah, my backup script rules
[03:27:07] <The_Tick> oops, wrong channel
[03:27:14] <asmodai> lol
[03:29:50] <The_Tick> I was using the hotcopy script
[03:29:59] <The_Tick> and not deleting the hotcopy once it was backed up
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[03:33:15] <The_Tick> and then
[03:33:23] <The_Tick> I was backing up the directory, with all the hotcopies in it
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[04:06:29] <real-dev> hi, I have a question regarding PollMacro
[04:06:57] <real-dev> I followed the example on the trac-hacks pae and get
[04:07:23] <real-dev> Error: Macro Poll(....) keys
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[05:31:36] <The_Tick> is there any way to get trac to reindex a svn repo?
[05:38:09] <real-dev> trac-admin /path/to/the/trac-instance resync
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[05:41:26] <The_Tick> thanks
[05:41:48] <real-dev> welcome
[05:41:57] <real-dev> anybody using PollMacro?
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[05:49:10] <jborg> I guess none of you guys can reach trac.edgewall.org?
[05:49:39] <real-dev> I can
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[05:50:15] <jborg> oh, I can't even reach the isp (layeredtech.com)
[05:50:35] <ikonia> I can get to trac.edgewall.org
[05:52:25] <jborg> okay, thanks. Maybe it's my own isp that's having problems...
[05:52:33] <ikonia> I'm connecting fine
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[06:49:43] <coderanger_> Grr, spammers hitting trac-hacks
[06:50:44] <ikonia> yeah we are seeing that problem a lot from cina
[06:50:45] <ikonia> china
[06:50:54] <misc> then trac-hacks should it them :)
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[06:54:47] <coderanger_> Alec has SpamFilter setup pretty well, so it hasnt happened in a while
[06:56:11] <coderanger_> Looks like it was just the one comment
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[07:08:45] <prologic> TypeError: argument number 0: a 'apr_pool_t *' is expected, 'instance()' is received <-- what's the solution for this ?
[07:08:59] <prologic> I've read that big long ticket about it, but can't see a clear fix
[07:09:12] <prologic> might just be due to my sight impairment :)
[07:10:18] <jborg> prologic, are you using mod_python?
[07:10:24] <prologic> it seems to be happenning with https (I have a few trac instnaces that are only available through https)
[07:10:29] <prologic> yes I am
[07:10:42] <prologic> the http trac requests seem to be fine
[07:10:44] <jborg> and more than one trac environment?
[07:10:57] <prologic> yes
[07:12:03] <jborg> ok, try adding ' PythonInterpreter "trac" ' for each virtual host in your apache config
[07:12:32] <prologic> for the https vhosts ?
[07:13:31] <jborg> Add it everywhere you have the following line: "PythonHandler trac.web.modpython_frontend"
[07:13:33] <prologic> brilliant
[07:13:37] <prologic> how does that solve it ?
[07:13:40] <prologic> works fine in https now
[07:13:41] <prologic> :)
[07:14:08] <prologic> could I just put it globally along side PythonHandler ?
[07:14:25] <jborg> dunno, maybe :)
[07:14:38] <prologic> hmm maybe I shouldn't :)
[07:14:43] <prologic> doesn't make much sense to
[07:14:54] <prologic> seems to work fine now with that line in the ssl vhost
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[07:15:10] <prologic> nice thanks heaps!
[07:15:16] <prologic> now I can go to bed early
[07:15:17] <prologic> hehe
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[07:16:17] <jborg> good, then I think I can close that ticket.
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[07:19:46] <prologic> cool
[07:20:01] <prologic> but perhaps you might wanna put a note in there about ssl :)
[07:21:17] <jborg> I don't think it has anything to do with ssl. It's because without that line mod_python uses a separate sub-interpreter for each vhost. And the svn bindings doesn't handle that correctly.
[07:21:49] <prologic> yeah I gathered that much
[07:21:50] <jborg> btw, did you build your svn bindings yourself or are they from an rpm/deb?
[07:22:01] <prologic> hehe I maintain them
[07:22:03] <prologic> so yeah I guess so :)
[07:22:30] <jborg> oh, cool. So you then know which swig version was used?
[07:22:41] <prologic> sure do
[07:22:58] <prologic> 1.3.29
[07:23:16] <prologic> I also maintain the swig port (for crux)
[07:25:13] <jborg> good, then I can answer cboos' question in #2611.
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[07:25:54] <prologic> cool
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[07:27:49] <real-dev> hi, is anybody using PollMacro?
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[07:31:32] <jborg> prologic, it looks like svn uses pre-generated swig-files unless the following instructions are used: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2611#comment:16
[07:31:51] <jborg> do you know if you invoke "make extraclean" in your port?
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[07:39:43] <prologic> jborg, no I don't
[07:41:20] <prologic> http://trac.shortcircuit.net.au/crux/browser/ports/swig/Pkgfile
[07:41:34] <prologic> seems I had to add that line to my other vhosts as well
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[07:43:14] <Sonderblade> can you add an image text to an image using the Image macro?
[07:44:49] <Pyretic> anyone familiar with the TicketBox macro ?
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[07:51:59] <uber`xxiiv> has anyone started on a plugin for tracd to get website logging ?¿
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[07:59:15] <Blackhex> logging?
[07:59:42] <uber`xxiiv> umm like http logs
[08:00:10] <Blackhex> and what are you missing in trac logs?
[08:00:40] <uber`xxiiv> useragent
[08:00:42] <exarkun> Blackhex: All of the standard things an HTTP server logs.
[08:00:47] <uber`xxiiv> what pages they visted
[08:00:55] <exarkun> tracd doesn't log any information about page views.
[08:01:21] <uber`xxiiv> all the standard stuff that httpd logs contain
[08:01:56] <Blackhex> hmm
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[08:02:11] <Blackhex> requests are logged
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[08:02:34] <uber`xxiiv> but its NOT in httpd/ww3 format
[08:02:36] <Blackhex> but not users
[08:02:43] <Blackhex> ah, see
[08:03:02] <uber`xxiiv> what i am looking for is something we can use awstats or webalizer with
[08:03:33] <prologic> why not run trac through mod_pyton ?
[08:03:35] <coderanger_> uber`xxiiv: Why not just use Apache?
[08:03:37] <prologic> *python
[08:03:57] <uber`xxiiv> cause i refuse to use that crappy apache 2.x
[08:04:10] <coderanger_> Then use Apache 1.x
[08:04:14] <coderanger_> or Light*
[08:04:16] <exarkun> uber`xxiiv: I almost added support for this to tracd
[08:04:24] <prologic> what's wrong with apache 2.x
[08:04:27] <exarkun> uber`xxiiv: But then I switched to wsgi instead
[08:04:28] <prologic> works fine on all my servers here :)
[08:04:35] <uber`xxiiv> trac doesnt work well with 1.3x
[08:04:40] <exarkun> uber`xxiiv: you can have my t.web2 wsgi configuration, if you want.
[08:04:50] <uber`xxiiv> oooo please
[08:05:03] <uber`xxiiv> sgrayban@gmail.com
[08:05:16] <coderanger_> uber`xxiiv: It works fine, just use CGI
[08:05:28] <coderanger_> uber`xxiiv: Or use mod_proxy to tracd
[08:05:35] <uber`xxiiv> and Blackhex the screen shots plugin is broke again -- remember the image issue? same thing now
[08:05:40] <uber`xxiiv> ok
[08:06:05] <Blackhex> uber`xxiiv: how it is possible :-)
[08:06:15] <uber`xxiiv> i dunno
[08:06:21] <uber`xxiiv> go look at my wiki again
[08:06:27] <uber`xxiiv> its the same thing
[08:06:30] <Blackhex> image issue was not returned content type but it is fixed
[08:06:45] <uber`xxiiv> http://dev-1.borgforge.net/castpodder/screenshots
[08:07:23] <uber`xxiiv> coderanger, you can use the cgi instead on apache 1.3 ?¿
[08:07:34] <coderanger_> uber`xxiiv: Sure
[08:07:37] <uber`xxiiv> i thought mod_python was required though
[08:07:42] <coderanger_> @frontend
[08:07:42] <evil_twin> coderanger_: "frontend" is CGI, FastCGI, mod_python, or tracd
[08:07:54] <coderanger_> And as of trunk you can use WSGI too
[08:08:17] <uber`xxiiv> the current trunk ?¿
[08:08:30] <Blackhex> uber`xxiiv: what version do you have screensots are not referenced by name anymore
[08:08:51] <coderanger_> uber`xxiiv: Yes
[08:08:53] <uber`xxiiv> version
[08:08:55] <uber`xxiiv> ?¿
[08:09:02] <coderanger_> uber`xxiiv: It was added a while ago
[08:09:22] <exarkun> uber`xxiiv: sent
[08:10:03] <uber`xxiiv> thanks :) -- i should really re-write alot of that info on the trac site for all the new stuff
[08:10:20] <uber`xxiiv> update it for what it can run on
[08:10:22] <Blackhex> uber`xxiiv: do you deleted old eggs?
[08:10:29] <uber`xxiiv> of course
[08:10:30] <coderanger_> uber`xxiiv: Thats all i nthe docs ...
[08:10:56] <uber`xxiiv> coderanger, how many people you think will actually them ?¿
[08:11:01] <coderanger_> uber`xxiiv: And has been for longer than I've using Trac
[08:11:20] <coderanger_> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInstall#RunningTraconaWebServer
[08:12:03] <coderanger_> If you don't read the install docs, there isn't much we can do about that
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[08:12:16] <uber`xxiiv> i read
[08:12:31] <uber`xxiiv> im a python coder -- trust me i read
[08:13:48] <Blackhex> uber`xxiiv: at first you have to delete all old screenshots because they are stored in separate dirs now and at secoud how you get links with screenshot name is mystery to me
[08:13:49] <uber`xxiiv> got it exarkun
[08:13:56] <uber`xxiiv> ahhhhhh
[08:14:04] <uber`xxiiv> you didnt TELL ME THAT !!!!!
[08:14:14] * uber`xxiiv kicks Blackhex
[08:14:32] <coderanger_> uber`xxiiv: Free software: You get what you pay for
[08:14:50] <uber`xxiiv> i can still comlpain
[08:14:53] <uber`xxiiv> :P
[08:14:56] <Blackhex> uber`xxiiv: did you delete egg tmp folder too?
[08:15:11] <uber`xxiiv> ya -- let me re upload the screenshots
[08:17:10] <Blackhex> uber`xxiiv: 0.1 was first comit and still alfa, I should mention that but I forgot, sorry
[08:17:24] <uber`xxiiv> crap
[08:17:33] <uber`xxiiv> it wont let me delete screenshots
[08:17:48] <ikonia> /join #cross-lfs
[08:17:49] <ikonia> yes
[08:18:36] <uber`xxiiv> uhhh this aint good
[08:19:16] <Blackhex> uber`xxiiv: I have that problem with apache too but I couldnt fidn out why action request argument is not filled
[08:19:25] <Blackhex> but tracd works
[08:19:25] <uber`xxiiv> not using apache
[08:19:39] <uber`xxiiv> tracd here
[08:19:48] <uber`xxiiv> it wont let delete the screenshot now
[08:19:56] <uber`xxiiv> crap
[08:20:33] <Blackhex> type ?action=delete;id=<id> in browser :-)
[08:21:53] <Blackhex> coderanger_: you don't know why could be that form arguments are not passed to request?
[08:22:50] <coderanger_> What do you mean?
[08:23:36] <Blackhex> coderanger_: I have form with <input type="hidden" name="action" value="delete"/>
[08:24:08] <coderanger_> I would have to look at the code
[08:24:21] <Blackhex> if I am using tracd then req.args.get('action') gives me delete but in apache it returns NOne
[08:24:50] <Blackhex> http://www.trac-hacks.org/browser/screenshotsplugin
[08:25:07] <Blackhex> screenshots.cs and core.py
[08:25:28] <uber`xxiiv> Blackhex, that worked
[08:25:44] <uber`xxiiv> its not passing it in tracd .10 dev
[08:26:42] <Blackhex> trac 0.9 is and apache isn't
[08:27:03] <uber`xxiiv> its certainly not pasing the form in .10 dev either
[08:27:59] <coderanger_> Blackhex: I think I see part of the problem
[08:28:07] <Blackhex> shoot
[08:28:07] <coderanger_> You are using self.req
[08:28:11] <coderanger_> Don't do that
[08:28:13] <Blackhex> ah
[08:28:25] <Blackhex> that could be that
[08:28:33] <coderanger_> It means that request objects will be hanging around longer than they should
[08:28:46] <Blackhex> I'll fix it
[08:29:41] <uber`xxiiv> another thing -- has anyone here converted from the old sqlite db's to mysql yet ?¿
[08:29:42] <cmlenz> not mention it'll break badly in a multi-threaded app
[08:30:56] <uber`xxiiv> alrighty -- ill take that as a no then
[08:31:07] <coderanger_> uber`xxiiv: It should be pretty trivial in Python
[08:31:14] <coderanger_> uber`xxiiv: Also look at the datamover plugin
[08:31:49] <uber`xxiiv> hmm
[08:32:35] <uber`xxiiv> i tried to use postgrel and that turned out horrible
[08:32:57] <uber`xxiiv> unicode is really #@#!$@ up
[08:35:18] <coderanger_> Both PG and My support unicode natively
[08:35:42] <coderanger_> Though I thin My defaults to the system locale
[08:36:36] <uber`xxiiv> well there seems to be or was a issue with unicode in postgrel
[08:36:56] <uber`xxiiv> i was getting 'no page name called WikiStart
[08:37:16] <uber`xxiiv> and after trying to fix that issue i gave up
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[09:00:31] <Blackhex> pacopablo: I didn't help
[09:00:37] <Blackhex> s/I/It
[09:01:26] <Blackhex> prologic: sorry that was for coderanger_
[09:01:43] <Blackhex> prologic: sorry that was for pacopablo :-)
[09:02:09] <Blackhex> maybe I'm litte exhausted :-)
[09:03:56] <coderanger_> heh
[09:05:38] <coderanger_> Is the new code online?
[09:06:17] <Blackhex> not yet
[09:06:28] <Blackhex> soon
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[09:07:34] <Blackhex> I try if some errors in html validation haven't significance
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[09:15:50] <Blackhex> coderanger_: new version online
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[09:24:05] <coderanger_> hmm, I don't see why it wouldnt work
[09:24:18] <coderanger_> maybe you can put some code it to dump req.args
[09:24:27] <Blackhex> mee too it doesnt make sense
[09:24:36] <coderanger_> self.log.debug(req.args.items())
[09:25:32] <Blackhex> FieldStorageWrapper instance has no attribute 'items'
[09:26:00] <uber`xxiiv> ugg fast cgi is slow as $#@!#@
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[09:27:40] <Blackhex> and self.log.debug(req.args.get('action')) if first line of process_request returns None and when you type to browser line ?action=delete it returns 'delete'
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[09:32:14] <coderanger_> Blackhex: Is this on 0.10 or 0.9?
[09:32:31] <Blackhex> 09
[09:33:04] <coderanger_> Have you tried with 0.10? ;-)
[09:33:10] <Blackhex> nope
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[09:34:58] <coderanger_> Hmm, might be worth a shot
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[09:35:34] <Blackhex> I don't have 0.10 in distribution and last time i was installing 0.10 it broked my 0.9 installation
[09:37:51] <uber`xxiiv> uhh
[09:37:57] <uber`xxiiv> i have 10 installed
[09:38:06] <uber`xxiiv> you have the code in svn ?¿
[09:38:25] <Blackhex> not with self.log.debug(req.args.items())
[09:38:39] <uber`xxiiv> make a new branch for .10
[09:38:41] <jazzman__> is there a way to limit a trac project to a specific folder in the svn repo?
[09:38:46] <uber`xxiiv> and ill svn that
[09:39:22] <Blackhex> I thint that there is no reason for branching
[09:39:36] <uber`xxiiv> ahhh but you are wrong
[09:39:50] <uber`xxiiv&