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August 12, 2006

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[01:38:53] <pacopablo> ugh, I hate CSS
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[01:40:11] <pacopablo> anyone know how to get a set of <fieldset></fieldset> elements to be the same dimensions?
[01:40:31] <pacopablo> so that it all are basically the same size as the largest?
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[01:53:38] <pacopablo> night all
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[03:54:21] <maxb> Umm... really really really need some better spam protection. The travesty of #1890 continues.
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[04:06:07] <wfg-morgan> who are the developers primarily responsible for the tickets component?
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[04:12:00] <FireunDubh> Who is primarily responsible for Trac's ticket management component?
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[05:30:12] <uber`xxiiv> anyone familiar with the template variables ?¿
[06:17:27] <maxb> FireunDubh: I don't know, but open source developers usually prefer to be contacted through the public project communication channels, than in private, when project matters are concerned.
[06:30:00] <FireunDubh> IRC channel = public; Mailing List requires registration = private. I'm not really concerned with the rest of the project anyway. I'm only interested in the tickets component.
[06:35:18] <FireunDubh> As far as the project goes, all I need to know is the level of complexity involved with severing the tickets component to create a standalone issue tracker.
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[08:08:40] <ranq> FireunDubh: just disable all other modules
[08:13:00] <ranq> there is instructions how to disable modules on wiki
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[20:09:00] <coderanger> quiet in here tonight
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[20:15:59] <coderanger> how goes the summer over there?
[20:16:20] <xjjk> well enough
[20:16:22] <xjjk> you?
[20:16:48] <coderanger> work is killer, but other than that okay
[20:17:29] <xjjk> same =/
[20:17:42] <xjjk> I'll finish my trac work and submit it back to the community... some day
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[20:20:01] <coderanger> Yeah, TracForge is very close to enterting code limbo
[20:20:18] <coderanger> I keep working on it, but it always seems like it'l take forever to finish
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[21:11:22] <pacopablo> coderanger: what's the status of tracforge atm?
[21:11:35] <coderanger> "not much"
[21:11:51] <pacopablo> too much mokey patching?
[21:11:54] <coderanger> ticket and changeset subscriptions work fine
[21:11:57] <pacopablo> or just not enough time
[21:12:00] <coderanger> Nah, just need more time
[21:12:16] <coderanger> I added an auth-link module the other day
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[21:12:37] <coderanger> so you only need to log in once for a group of tracs
[21:12:42] <pacopablo> cool
[21:13:02] <coderanger> datamover is pretty closely related to tracforge too
[21:13:24] <Inc> anyone know of a good free trac host? for opensource projects
[21:13:33] <coderanger> tracos
[21:13:43] <coderanger> (they exist, no idea if they are any good)
[21:13:54] <Inc> with good uptime and speed and also keeps their trac up to snuff (date)
[21:14:16] <Inc> coderanger, bad sign their site takes forever to load
[21:14:24] <coderanger> macosforge seems to be using it too (though thats os x projects only)
[21:14:34] <coderanger> python-hosting is ditto for python projects
[21:14:48] <pacopablo> Inc: how fast do you need it?
[21:15:11] <Inc> pacopablo, as in decent load time
[21:15:26] <Inc> e.g. not a dsl line
[21:15:44] <Inc> python-hosting doesn't keep trac very upto date
[21:15:49] <Inc> and yes this is a python project
[21:16:04] <coderanger> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/CommercialServices
[21:16:08] <coderanger> Thats got a decent list
[21:16:24] <Inc> thanks
[21:16:42] <pacopablo> I meant as in how fast do you need it setup
[21:16:43] <coderanger> I think bullix hosts a few too IIRC
[21:16:50] <Inc> so exclusionary
[21:16:58] <Inc> pacopablo, a few days or so
[21:17:01] <Inc> a week at the most
[21:17:08] <pacopablo> if it can wait a few days, I can probably get you a site on asylumware.com
[21:17:11] <Inc> asap would be best so I can commit code
[21:17:18] <Inc> hahah
[21:17:22] <pacopablo> or at least tell you if it would be feasable
[21:17:24] <Inc> I don't think they will like me
[21:17:36] <pacopablo> asylumware.com ?
[21:17:37] <Inc> my project name is asylum :)
[21:17:45] <pacopablo> wow, scary
[21:17:48] <Inc> yeah
[21:17:56] <pacopablo> what's your project?
[21:18:02] <pacopablo> as in, what's it do/
[21:18:10] <Inc> its a packageing system
[21:18:18] <pacopablo> python?
[21:18:24] <Inc> yeah
[21:18:36] <coderanger> *cough*setuptools*cough*
[21:18:42] <pacopablo> hmm, namespaces would be a bear
[21:18:55] <Inc> currently it only automates building and installing songbird
[21:18:58] <pacopablo> as in I already use asylum.*
[21:19:09] <Inc> pacopablo, ah darn
[21:19:26] <Inc> I plan to branch it out to build all svn/cvs software
[21:19:27] <pacopablo> coderanger: I think he meant that it's a packaging system written in python, not for python
[21:19:52] <pacopablo> Inc: drop me a line at pacopablo at asylumware dot com
[21:19:52] <Inc> and then incorporate it into my cap-py system which is a cross plateform packageing system
[21:19:59] <Inc> pacopablo, alright
[21:20:00] <pacopablo> I'll see what we can do
[21:20:04] <Inc> thanks
[21:20:22] <pacopablo> do you have a current page for it?
[21:20:26] <Inc> currently the svn on sourceforge really sucks.
[21:20:38] <pacopablo> asylum.sf.net?
[21:20:51] <Inc> yeah but thats not upto date
[21:21:03] <Inc> because I started asylum with the intent to only build songbird
[21:21:04] <coderanger> Inc: Due to how insanely customizable Trac is, you may want to look at hosting it yourself
[21:21:04] <pacopablo> obviosuly, as I get a directory listing
[21:21:21] <Inc> then it got bigger
[21:21:29] <pacopablo> I think he might be looking for bandwidth
[21:21:51] <pacopablo> anyway, I can give him a personal installation of trac if needed anyway.
[21:22:01] <Inc> well, as for hosting I currently only have a shared web server
[21:22:06] <pacopablo> provided I get the go ahead from the mucky mucks
[21:22:11] <Inc> the page that I did up in a quicky
[21:22:22] <Inc> is at asylum.inc-omplete.org
[21:22:31] <Inc> but thats not very upto date yet ethier
[21:22:45] <Inc> as I've just done the proof of concept release
[21:23:27] <Inc> pacopablo, dunno if this goes without saying but would this also include an svn respiratory
[21:24:19] <pacopablo> of course
[21:24:52] <pacopablo> biggest question will be about shell access
[21:25:02] <pacopablo> not sure if I can give that to you yet.
[21:25:18] <pacopablo> that's why it'll take a couple days to iron out the details
[21:25:24] <Inc> don't think I'm in need of it
[21:25:52] <pacopablo> we want to be able to provide trac hosting to OS projects, just haven't really pushed it yet
[21:26:05] <pacopablo> that will make things easier
[21:26:15] <Inc> at least at this current moment. I donthave a big need for shell access
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[21:26:18] <coderanger> pacopablo: Just use TracForge, oh wait ..... :)
[21:26:32] <Inc> as long as things can be requested
[21:26:43] <pacopablo> anyway, I gotta run. drop me a line and lets see what we can work out.
[21:26:46] <coderanger> admin/plugins and IniAdmin make it not very needed
[21:26:49] <Inc> ok thanks
[21:26:54] <pacopablo> Inc: yeah, that's no problem
[21:27:01] <pacopablo> later
[21:27:02] <Inc> cool thanks again
[21:27:07] <coderanger> pacopablo: See ya
[21:27:13] <Inc> lates
[21:32:23] <coderanger> I would offer a one-off hosting setup, but I can't do SSL here
[21:34:09] <coderanger> There is also the minor fact that in the process of developing stuff its not uncommon for me make Trac very grumpy
[21:37:42] <Inc> one-off?
[21:39:22] <coderanger> well I don't want to do general hosting, so it would be a single event
[21:39:33] <Inc> ah I see
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[22:38:14] <KrisWood> hello all
[22:38:49] <coderanger> Hi
[22:39:54] <KrisWood> after wrestling with trying to install gforge for a week, someone recommended to me that I try trac
[22:39:59] <KrisWood> so here I am heh
[22:40:24] <coderanger> heh, okay
[22:41:59] <KrisWood> just did an apt-get install trac and now it's all automagicly living on my server, now trying to figure out how to make it show up online
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[22:44:59] <coderanger> @install
[22:44:59] <evil_twin> coderanger: "install" is http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracInstall
[22:45:02] <coderanger> :)
[22:45:49] <KrisWood> :)
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[22:53:08] <coderanger> Do you know what frontend you want to use?
[22:54:08] <KrisWood> not sure
[22:54:16] <KrisWood> still trying to decide if trac will work for our project
[22:54:28] <KrisWood> the coders aren't liking the live demo heh
[22:54:45] <coderanger> Which one?
[22:54:49] <coderanger> the bullix site?
[22:55:01] <KrisWood> the one on trac.edgewall.org
[22:55:19] <coderanger> heh, thats not a demo site
[22:55:32] <coderanger> take a look at trac-hacks
[22:55:37] <KrisWood> http://www.hosted-projects.com/trac/TracDemo/Demo
[22:55:59] <coderanger> Ahh
[22:57:05] <coderanger> http://ssl.bulix.org/projects/demo
[22:57:09] <coderanger> Thats another demo site
[22:57:56] <KrisWood> What we really need is something that tracks tasks for individual team members as well as for the whole team, interfaces with SVN, and can have tasks within tasks
[22:58:07] <KrisWood> (or subtasks I suppose)
[22:58:39] <coderanger> That last part is currently a bit fuzzy in Trac
[22:58:49] <coderanger> You can look at the TracGantt plugin
[22:58:59] <coderanger> Its probably the simplest implementation curretnly
[22:59:04] <KrisWood> yeah that's what they didn't like, it looked "flat" to them
[23:00:05] <KrisWood> know of any examples I could look at of the TracGantt plugin?
[23:02:12] <KrisWood> and do you know of any other similar software?
[23:02:32] <coderanger> Not that I know of
[23:02:55] <coderanger> Not that have Trac's subversion integration
[23:03:03] <KrisWood> damn heh
[23:03:19] <KrisWood> gforge does it too, but its buggy and near impossible to install
[23:04:08] <coderanger> http://www.amountaintop.com/projects/clipregion/gantt
[23:04:56] <KrisWood> nothing shows up when I click the links
[23:05:02] <coderanger> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=trac+intitle%3A%22available+charts%22&btnG=Search
[23:05:10] <coderanger> Ignore the first on that list
[23:05:16] <coderanger> Its offline
[23:05:45] <KrisWood> heh
[23:05:47] <coderanger> Looks like all of those don't work too well
[23:06:04] <coderanger> guess there isn't a good public setup
[23:06:57] * KrisWood nods
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