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August 14, 2006

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[01:24:23] <peter__> hello all
[01:27:33] <peter__> please help me with the vhost trac config: http://paste.uni.cc/9322 (problem line is highlighted+descr)
[01:28:27] <ikonia> whats the error
[01:30:41] <peter__> :ikonia: I used an example from the trac guide. If I comment out the DocumentRoot line (?!) all works fine. If not, trac says "No handler matched request to /error/HTTP_FORBIDDEN.html.var" (from mod_python?) and apache log has entries like client denied by server configuration for each request
[01:31:08] <Getty> who is making a paste service with a number-image?........
[01:31:45] <Getty> cant imagine what paranoia the admins have :-)
[01:31:58] <ikonia> peter__ have you checked the permissions on the files ?
[01:32:02] <ikonia> in terms of webserver access
[01:32:08] <peter__> :Getty: yes I found rather strange too
[01:33:17] <peter__> :ikonia: if you mean the folder where the trac project environment is I have set the owner to wwwrun but not of the containing folder
[01:33:57] <peter__> why does it works if I comment out the DocumentRoot then if it could be a perm problem?
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[01:42:31] <Getty> peter: dont use scripts on irc with that strange :: we are not quakenet, you're not more l33t if you use that ;)
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[01:46:25] <peter__> :Getty sorry Im no l33t anyway just want understand this with DocumentRoot..
[01:47:34] <Getty> ...
[01:47:40] <peter__> I see I gotta write to the maillist :(
[01:47:47] <maxb> Getty: "username:" to reply to someone is pretty common on freenode channels I've seen. The extra leading colon is a little unnecessary, but isn't exactly annoying.
[01:48:19] <peter__> oh :)
[01:48:22] <Getty> maxb: i just talk about the leading colon, and if you accept it, lets see what you say if there are other marks and sign around, and when you start finding them annoying ;)
[01:48:59] <Getty> maxb: but then its too late, you already accepted uncommon behaviour
[01:49:12] <peter__> Getty: so have you a tip?
[01:49:24] <Getty> no
[01:51:03] <maxb> peter__: I would do "ErrorDocument NNN default" for all of the error codes which are being given an /error/XXX.html.var value elsewhere in your config.
[01:51:59] <maxb> Also, I think you'd be better off with "<Location />" instead of "<Directory />"
[01:52:12] <peter__> maxdb: oh I see ok thats a good idea. But is ther a way to make these statements for all codes default for all vhosts? ;)
[01:52:37] <peter__> maxdb: gotta change that. wait.
[01:53:19] <peter__> btw. I believe trac's anon user shoudl have less default writing permissions. maybe just the CREATE_TICKET..
[01:53:45] <maxb> peter__: Well, if you want that behaviour under all vhosts, why not just delete or comment out the ErrorDocument settings in the main apache config.
[01:56:04] <ikonia> vi tft/join #technical
[01:56:06] <ikonia> oops
[01:56:07] <ikonia> sorry
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[02:01:08] <peter__> maxdb: okays the actual error persists, giving 403 code for this vhost config... log: client denied by server configuration. 403 says: I can't access "/" on this server
[02:04:13] <peter__> maxdb: if commenting DocumentRoot out here does not mean a security flaw, it's ok then - no idea what mod_python does there
[02:16:51] <maxb> peter__: If you spelt my nick correctly, I'd notice your messages sooner :-0
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[02:17:26] <peter__> maxdb: thats right but this way I had more time not thinking of my prob :)
[02:17:41] <peter__> maxdb: ...YOU had more time
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[02:18:31] <peter__> maxb: so, any ideas?
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[02:19:10] <maxb> Well... documentroot here is irrelevant since you're catching everything in a <Location /> anyway
[02:19:48] <maxb> You might as well delete it.
[02:20:00] <peter__> maxdb: so the howto was wrong :(
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[02:23:10] <maxb> link?
[02:27:09] <peter__> maxb: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracModPython section "Virtual Host configuration"
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[02:33:53] <peter__> maxb: just wondering how it could work then
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[02:46:12] <peter__> maxb: just added this issue to the troubleshooting section :)
[02:56:46] <coderanger> peter__: You have your Apache error handlers configured wrong
[02:57:08] <coderanger> You are trying to use a custom error page but it doesnt exist
[02:58:17] <coderanger> peter__: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#errordocument
[02:58:23] <coderanger> Look for lines like that
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[03:09:19] <alect> hmm
[03:11:02] <peter__> coderanger: after configuring them it just tells the 403 because of the DocumentRoot setting which I find strange. If the "Locaton /" replaces it its ok
[03:11:31] <coderanger> Well you didnt Allow that folder
[03:11:43] <coderanger> and Apache goes by default deny
[03:12:19] <coderanger> <Directory /srv/trac/myproject>Allow from all</Directory>
[03:12:55] <tuxipuxi> allow access to the trac project data dir?
[03:13:51] <coderanger> I don't see why you would do that
[03:14:05] <coderanger> But if you are giving it as the DocRoot ...
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[03:14:29] <tuxipuxi> ah :)
[03:14:48] <coderanger> I was just speaking to general Apacheisms
[03:19:30] <peter__> coderanger: oh this a really good point!! even people on #apache did not want to tell that :)
[03:21:50] <peter__> codranger: nope... with this dir setting and DocumentRoot it still says: "client denied by server configuration: /srv/trac/unips/"
[03:22:17] <peter__> coderanger: nope... with this dir setting and DocumentRoot it still says: "client denied by server configuration: /srv/trac/unips/"
[03:22:56] <peter__> coderanger: would it be a security flaw not to use the DocumentRoot?
[03:23:22] <tuxipuxi> it is a security flaw to make the project dir available through apache
[03:23:27] <coderanger> peter__: DocumentRoot doesn't matter when using mod_python to handle /
[03:23:41] <coderanger> Its part of the default path resolver, thats all
[03:23:50] <peter__> tuxipuxi: it's trac environment I have to do that
[03:24:10] <tuxipuxi> why don't you simply set the DocumentRoot to /var/www?
[03:24:29] <coderanger> peter__: No, Apache never has to access the
[03:24:33] <coderanger> er, the Trac env
[03:24:35] <peter__> coderanger: that is what I wanted to know. There was an error in the trac guide
[03:24:44] <coderanger> peter__: What error?
[03:25:20] <peter__> coderanger: to use DocumentRoot there is a sample vhost configuration...
[03:25:40] <peter__> :tuxipuxi: it is a vhost
[03:26:10] <coderanger> peter__: Its not needed, but it shouldn't be a problem
[03:26:36] <tuxipuxi> i thought all vhosts must have a DocumentRoot enty?
[03:26:44] <peter__> coderanger: it is a problem because it blocks the trac site producing 403 error :)
[03:26:50] <coderanger> peter__: There is something wrong with your error pages, its not actually related to Trac
[03:27:27] <coderanger> peter__: That error is from Apache trying to get to the error pages on disk, not in URI space
[03:27:33] <peter__> coderanger: I have fixed that an get a normal and regular 403 Forbidden error page: "you do not have permission to access / on thi sserver"
[03:28:26] <peter__> coderanger: so the error now is that Apache DocumentRoot interferes with the mod_python?.. as I told the log tells "client denied by server configuration" and this is not about the error pages
[03:29:03] <coderanger> peter__: Can you pastebin what your config looks like currently?
[03:30:49] <lisppaste5> coderanger pasted "One of my Trac configs" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/24101
[03:33:31] <peter__> http://pastebin.ca/131125
[03:35:24] <peter__> coderanger: http://pastebin.ca/131125
[03:35:36] <coderanger> Hmm
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[03:37:05] <peter__> coderanger: I mean it works without DocumentRoot but we both assume it should do it with it, don't we?
[03:37:10] <coderanger> That looks like it should work to me
[03:40:17] <coderanger> Just looking through the rest of my apache config (just the Gentoo default)
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[03:41:09] <peter__> coderanger: I have SUSE default. thank you for help.
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[03:46:44] <coderanger> I can't see anything that would cause Apache to block access to / with that config
[03:55:28] <peter__> coderanger: maybe I have some other global security settings from SUSE like redirecting restrictions etc. I had luck just removing the DocumentRoot then :(
[03:55:46] <coderanger> If it works, it works
[03:56:26] <peter__> codranger: yes and if you mean there is no security hole.. anyway I prefer try understanding things but sometimes its just TOO much :(
[03:56:33] <peter__> coderanger: thx!
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[04:31:39] <tuxipuxi> -rw-r--r-- 1 svn svn 34144 2006-08-11 16:08 TracWebAdmin-0.1.1.egg <- shouldn't this work?
[04:31:51] <tuxipuxi> it seems that the "Admin" link magically appears and disappear
[04:31:51] <tuxipuxi> s
[04:32:47] <coderanger> restarted the server?
[04:33:02] <tuxipuxi> i'm quite sure i did
[04:33:34] <tuxipuxi> it works now after a restart, but actually i think i already restarted it several times before
[04:33:35] <coderanger> Odd
[04:33:50] <coderanger> Check logs and see if something magically shows up?
[04:34:43] <tuxipuxi> coderanger: hm just tried accessing another project with the same plugin file: no admin pages. restarted server. admin pages are there
[04:34:51] <tuxipuxi> although i changed nothing else
[04:35:18] <tuxipuxi> could trac/apache be confused when you don't install the egg globally, but in each plugins/ dir?
[04:35:41] <coderanger> Are you running more than one trac per interpreter?
[04:36:02] <tuxipuxi> i'm using TracEnvParentDir
[04:36:08] <alect> madwifi site is slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[04:36:09] <coderanger> Check your apache logs for setuptools warnings about duplicate plugin loads
[04:36:37] <coderanger> I've been having weird issues with that just lately
[04:36:52] <tuxipuxi> coderanger: UserWarning: Module webadmin was already imported from <- heh, you're right
[04:36:58] <tuxipuxi> should i install it globally?
[04:37:10] <coderanger> Thats what I've been doing
[04:37:16] <tuxipuxi> thanks, coderanger
[04:37:25] <tuxipuxi> brb
[04:37:25] <coderanger> Well, ive been using the that /usr/share/trac/plugins folder
[04:37:36] <coderanger> alect: Probably CGI :P
[04:37:41] <alect> heh
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[04:57:17] <coderanger> imajes: STRT
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[06:11:41] <ExitMenu> hello has anyone had an error with the AccountManagerPlugin when trying to add a new users the error is here : http://pastebin.ca/131320 If anyone could help me out that would be great
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[06:21:31] <exarkun> you don't seem to have write permission to the password file
[06:28:12] <ExitMenu> I have tired everyhing with that file though even chmod 777? this is just confusing :/
[06:32:13] <coderanger_> Its not the file usually, its the folder
[06:32:59] <coderanger_> Check that you have write perms for that too
[06:33:43] <ExitMenu> yeh I just sorted it I was the folder, sorry I was being dumb
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[06:41:05] <ExitMenu> is there a way in trac to limmit the pages within a section a person can view. for example restric access to certain tickets or wiki pages
[06:42:14] <alect> not in trunk, no
[06:42:36] <ExitMenu> ok never mind
[06:43:01] <ExitMenu> is it somthing that is planned for future release or is on the table for posible inclusion ?
[06:45:50] <alect> it is planned for 0.11 or 0.12
[06:46:08] <alect> there is a security sandbox which implements a basic model
[06:49:00] <coderanger_> There are patches for 0.9 too
[06:49:39] <coderanger_> And you can do magic with Apache ACLs if needed
[06:51:00] <ExitMenu> kewl I will have to have a look at that
[06:58:18] <alect> now i have a home i will start working on trac again
[06:58:21] <alect> sweet, sweet trac
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[07:10:08] <alect> trac market plugin...that is keen
[07:11:34] <Getty> a friend of mine asked me about a nice trac feature
[07:11:48] <Getty> a better splitting of projects on the one side, combined with an administrator overview over all
[07:12:10] <Getty> the problem is that they have in their company many sections
[07:12:31] <Getty> which actually should not really interact much, but he is one of the codercrew who works on the problems itself
[07:12:47] <alect> that is a very commonly requested feature
[07:12:56] <Getty> so they need somehow overview over all projects, but the subsections should just be able to see their bugs their stuff and so
[07:12:57] <Getty> ah ok
[07:13:00] <Getty> so its on your todo? ;)
[07:18:11] <tag> man
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[07:33:13] <coderanger_> Getty: Look at TracForge
[07:33:35] <coderanger_> Most of that is already done
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[07:50:52] <pacopablo> morning
[07:52:49] <pacopablo> how was the move, coderanger_?
[07:58:44] <coderanger_> pacopablo: Eh, 6 hours of fun
[07:58:57] <coderanger_> Still getting everything situated
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[08:25:32] <Pistos> Hm... Why is my Trac install borked to heck? http://rome.purepistos.net/issues/diakonos
[08:25:37] <Pistos> (error messages in there)
[08:26:05] <pacopablo> because you can only execute one statement at a time :)
[08:26:26] <pacopablo> what did you do recently?
[08:26:35] <pacopablo> upgrade trac? upgrade sqlite?
[08:26:41] <pacopablo> change the server configuration?
[08:26:46] <Pistos> The only thing I can think of is an upgrade of the version, but I don't think that was too recently...
[08:26:53] <Pistos> Aha... sqlite.
[08:26:54] * Pistos ponders.
[08:26:59] * Pistos does some checks.
[08:27:03] <pacopablo> what frontend?
[08:27:37] <Pistos> ?
[08:27:42] <Pistos> I don't get what you're asking... :)
[08:27:50] <pacopablo> CGI, mod_python, fastcgi ?
[08:28:04] <Pistos> FastCGI.
[08:28:23] <Pistos> I think this is probably due to an SQLite upgrade.
[08:28:25] * Pistos checks.
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[08:37:52] <Pistos> Yep, SQLite upgrade two days ago.
[08:38:04] <Pistos> 3.2.1 to 3.3.5 ...
[08:38:10] <Pistos> I suppose that's fairly major...
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[08:48:11] <Pistos> http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1822
[08:49:59] <Pistos> Looks like a PySQLite issue...
[08:51:14] <pacopablo> looks like it should be fixed in trunk
[08:51:56] <pacopablo> actually, looks like it should have made it into 0.9
[08:52:33] <Pistos> Hm. http://trac.gajim.org/ticket/1508
[08:52:36] <Pistos> (I'm on Gentoo)
[08:53:21] <pacopablo> try that
[08:53:27] <pacopablo> you can also use the easy_install
[08:56:00] <coderanger_> Pistos: I am using 2.3.1 on Gentoo
[08:56:05] <coderanger_> (works fine)
[08:56:11] <Pistos> coderanger: Yep, I'm finishing up the emerge now.
[08:56:16] <Pistos> Dunno why it didn't get upgraded. :\
[08:56:20] <Pistos> Maybe not in my world file...
[08:56:34] * pacopablo just uses postgresql :)
[08:56:45] <Pistos> Hrm, that didn't fix it. :\
[08:56:51] <coderanger_> Are you using -D? :P
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[08:57:07] <coderanger_> Make sure you bounce the server after upgrading
[08:57:15] <Pistos> coderanger: I stopped doing that a while ago. I think it gave excess "need-to-upgrade" packages...
[08:57:21] <Pistos> coderanger: Good point.
[08:57:38] <Pistos> Sweet. init.d/apache restart did it. :)
[08:57:40] <Pistos> k, thanks all.
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[09:01:08] <X-Gen> hey freaks
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[09:02:21] <coderanger_> Hello
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[09:30:26] <petekaz> Does anyone here use tracs for project management of a team?
[09:31:27] <coderanger_> what kind of team?
[09:34:37] <pacopablo> a team of commandos!
[09:34:45] <pacopablo> or maybe ninjas
[09:35:22] <petekaz> Not primarily a software dev team. There is some software dev, but a lot of it is lab work, vendor eval, configurations for a prod network, etc ... I figured as their boss, I would use trac to manage all of their projects. Milestones in my case are 2006-Q3, 2006-Q4, etc ... components are things like "oss" or "signaling", types are "operational", "planned project", "tasks".
[09:36:00] <petekaz> I use severity for difficulty of project, "easy (1h), moderate (1d), difficult (1w)".
[09:36:27] <petekaz> The reason I like trac is that I can have a diary of the status of the projects (via trac comments).
[09:36:53] <petekaz> As opposed to using something like an excel spreadsheet or microsoft project to trac work.
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[09:38:39] <petekaz> Plus the integrated wiki is important to all of this as well. I figured for each project I give them, there should be a wiki page devoted to it. Alternatively, I was thinking of just using the project description for it (but that is not editable after a ticket is open rigtht?).
[09:39:03] <coderanger_> Sounds like it would be okay
[09:39:24] <coderanger_> You can edit ticket descriptions if you have TICKET_MODIFY perms
[09:41:17] <petekaz> I have ticket modify perms, where do I edit the description of the ticket?
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[09:41:27] <coderanger_> down at the bottom
[09:41:36] <pacopablo> I wouldn't use the ticket description for something like that though, because changes to the ticket description aren't versioned
[09:41:43] <petekaz> ah ...
[09:41:56] <coderanger_> Yes they are
[09:42:01] <glyph> Why doesn't the "zip file" download link in the browser work on this trac? http://foss.eepatents.com/sAsync/changeset/branches/new-syncbridge?old_path=%2F&format=zip
[09:42:07] <coderanger_> Just not visibly
[09:42:11] <pacopablo> right
[09:42:43] <coderanger_> glyph: resync?
[09:42:43] <petekaz> coderanger_: where at the bottom? I don't see it? I have the commment, then the ticket fields, then the actions.
[09:42:54] <pacopablo> glyph: looks like the repos is out of sync
[09:43:07] <coderanger_> petekaz: There should be a big text field where you can edit it
[09:43:37] <exarkun> coderanger: Where's the button for that?
[09:43:40] <petekaz> pacopablo: thanks. that is a good point as I want public versioning.
[09:43:54] <petekaz> coderanger_: perhaps its a perm other than TICKET_MODIFY?
[09:44:47] <coderanger_> petekaz: Maybe
[09:44:53] <coderanger_> give yourself TRAC_ADMIN ;-)
[09:45:15] <petekaz> :-)
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[09:46:35] <exarkun> coderanger: Okay. I guess I'll just use one of the numerous SQL injection attacks to escalate my privileges on this trac instance?
[09:46:55] <coderanger_> exarkun: Um, what?
[09:47:02] <pacopablo> exarkun: which trac instance?
[09:47:25] <pacopablo> and where are these SQL injection attacks that people are talking about?
[09:50:11] <coderanger_> I haven't seen an SQL injection attack against Trac in a while
[09:50:36] <coderanger_> (other than if someone has REPORT_CREATE, which isn't exactly a bug)
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[09:51:13] <pacopablo> granted, if one gives REPORT_CREATE privs to anonymous, then yes, they are asking for trouble
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[10:25:00] <nextime> anyone using 0.9.6 with latest svn trunk of TracTags?
[10:25:12] <pacopablo> nope
[10:25:23] <pacopablo> is there a reason that you need the trunk of TracTags?
[10:26:00] <pacopablo> cus, unless there is some functionality that is needed, I'd suggest staying with 0.4.0, as I believe alect was making some API breaking changes in trunk
[10:26:02] <nextime> pacopablo : nope, only cause i prefer to compile it myself, but isn't a must
[10:26:15] <nextime> s/compile/create eggs
[10:26:27] <pacopablo> well, you can pull 0.4.0 from svn and still do the building yourself
[10:27:18] <pacopablo> I use 0.4.0 with a chekout of trunk from trac and that works fine
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[10:28:12] <pacopablo> it's the market man!
[10:28:55] <nextime> oh, on the plugin trac site there is only link to trunk on svn, and on branches in svn ther's no 0.4.0 version, anyway, i find that 0.4.0 is on "tags" in svn, i will try to use it
[10:29:14] <pacopablo> yeah, the tags 0.4.0 is it
[10:29:27] <pacopablo> that's the latest "official" release of TracTags
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[10:31:10] <jazzman> I remember reading something about a better i/f to permission setup.. can someone point me to this?
[10:31:36] <pacopablo> @faw WebAdmin
[10:31:36] <evil_twin> pacopablo: Error: "faw" is not a valid command.
[10:31:41] <pacopablo> @faq WebAdmin
[10:31:41] <evil_twin> pacopablo: "WebAdmin" is http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/WebAdmin
[10:31:54] <pacopablo> evil_twin: you should know what I want! you stupid bot!
[10:31:54] <evil_twin> pacopablo: Error: "you" is not a valid command.
[10:32:14] <pacopablo> suck it evil_twin, suck it long and suck it hard
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[10:32:38] <pacopablo> maybe one day I'll put some smarts into that bot.
[10:32:55] <coderanger_> It needs some major tracifying
[10:33:00] <pacopablo> oh yeah
[10:33:02] <jazzman> thansk
[10:33:05] <coderanger_> I really want to make a wiki interface to the FAQ
[10:33:14] <pacopablo> a men
[10:33:17] <pacopablo> er, amen
[10:33:32] <pacopablo> it wouldn't even be that hard if I actually had some time :)
[10:33:48] <jazzman> do you know if it works on .10?
[10:33:56] <pacopablo> the trunk version does
[10:34:12] <pacopablo> in fact I think you need to use trunk inorder for use with 0.10
[10:34:26] <jazzman> is it in the main trac repository?
[10:34:30] <pacopablo> yes
[10:34:35] <pacopablo> in the sandbox dir
[10:34:42] <jazzman> great
[10:34:46] <jazzman> thanks
[10:34:53] <nextime> pacopablo: 0.4.0 seem to don't work correctly for me, editing a wiki page i don't see any "tags" option, maybe it can conflict with some other plugin?
[10:35:05] <pacopablo> @faq logging
[10:35:05] <evil_twin> pacopablo: "logging" is http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracLogging <-- Enable debug logging to file, ensure your environments log/ directory is writeable by your web server user, check for errors.
[10:35:17] <coderanger_> pacopablo: It always comes back to that "time" thing :-/
[10:35:20] <pacopablo> and you change the default_handler to be the TagsWikiModule, correct?
[10:35:29] <pacopablo> coderanger_: yeah, sucks, doesn't it?
[10:35:39] <nextime> pacopablo : yes, and i can see the tags button on the bar
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[10:35:47] <nextime> env is upgraded
[10:35:50] <nextime> and so on
[10:36:04] <pacopablo> hmm, weird
[10:36:09] <coderanger_> nextime: You disabled WikiModule?
[10:36:21] <nextime> coderanger_ yep
[10:36:34] * pacopablo is pushing for a 2 day work week and a 5 day weekend
[10:36:39] <coderanger_> And you restarted your server?
[10:36:42] <pacopablo> it would give me more time to work on trac
[10:36:51] <nextime> [trac]
[10:36:51] <nextime> default_handler = TagsWikiModule
[10:36:51] <nextime> [components]
[10:36:52] <nextime> trac.wiki_web_ui.wikimodule = disabled
[10:36:52] <nextime> tractags.* = enabled
[10:36:52] <coderanger_> pacopablo: Let me know how that work :)
[10:36:57] <pacopablo> pastebin!
[10:37:02] <nextime> ( sorry )
[10:37:03] <coderanger_> lisppaste5: url
[10:37:04] <lisppaste5> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/trac and enter your paste.
[10:37:05] <coderanger_> :)
[10:37:09] <pacopablo> coderanger_: if everyone switched it would work great! :)
[10:37:19] <nextime> coderanger_ yes, apache was restarted
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