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August 15, 2006

[00:00:28] <coderanger> Its a patch, so yes
[00:01:34] <zobi1> hmmm, high risk, or guaranteed trouble? :)
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[00:02:10] <coderanger> should be fine
[00:02:20] <coderanger> but I would backup your db ;-)
[00:02:54] <zinq> I have a little trac utilization question
[00:03:04] <zobi1> I did that already. ok, will push the button.
[00:03:33] <zinq> Can trac be used on a sourceforge project?
[00:04:21] <coderanger> zinq: I don't think they offer enough control over configs
[00:04:39] <coderanger> Its also somewhat redundant
[00:05:22] <zinq> Well, sf provide space and svn for free
[00:05:49] <coderanger> but their web offerings are limited
[00:06:19] <zinq> offerings?
[00:06:54] <coderanger> They only give you a very basic web setup
[00:08:29] <zinq> I don't have great needs, but using trac would be nice
[00:09:03] <imajes> hey
[00:09:17] <coderanger> zinq: Look at one of the free Trac hosting places
[00:09:18] <imajes> anyone know how to set a timezone for trac?
[00:09:23] <coderanger> imajes: You don't
[00:09:29] <coderanger> It takes the system timezone
[00:09:30] <imajes> merde
[00:09:34] <imajes> that sucks
[00:09:41] <imajes> i mean
[00:09:45] <imajes> even setting it as UTC
[00:09:45] <coderanger> Its been done in a sandbox, so itl be in 0.11
[00:09:47] <imajes> would be better
[00:09:57] <zinq> coderanger: I'll give it a look, thanks.
[00:10:14] <alect> 0.11, the great melting pot
[00:10:39] <coderanger> Its getting to be a little silly
[00:11:05] <zinq> Though, I would very much appreciate a definitive (and very time-saving) answer regarding SF
[00:11:15] <zinq> anyone?
[00:13:20] <coderanger> zinq: Barring them having changed something in the last 6 weeks, no
[00:13:31] * alect concurs
[00:13:36] <coderanger> You need access to the vhost config
[00:13:40] <alect> two out of two responses can't be wrong
[00:14:30] <coderanger> You _might_ be able to rig up something silly using CGI and .htaccess
[00:14:42] <coderanger> But it would be unusably slow
[00:17:56] <zinq> I'll take a look at what they have regarding vhost, though I'm not sure what to look for
[00:18:17] <coderanger> You aren't given access to that stuff
[00:18:28] <coderanger> Its like a shared host
[00:18:38] <coderanger> take a look at tracos
[00:18:49] <coderanger> They offer trac+svn free to FOSS projects
[00:19:21] <coderanger> also python-hosting, macosforge, and trac-hacks depending on the type of pjects
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[00:19:28] <coderanger> er, type of project
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[00:20:03] <zobi1> timetracker installed successfully. report view shows nicely. what are the accepted values for the new time based values, xm-xh-xd?
[00:21:07] <X-Gen> is it possible to stop duplicate ticket creation ? create a ticket, hit back and resubmit the same ticket ?
[00:21:11] <zobi1> I don't see any mention of days. Is it not possible to use days?
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[00:23:37] <zinq> coderanger: thanks, I'll look into them.
[00:24:04] <zinq> coderanger: btw, why does trac require messing with the vhost config?
[00:24:48] <coderanger> Because most of the time you run Trac using FCGI or mod_python
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[00:28:29] <zinq> my web knowledge is probably too little. Isn't vhost relevant only when I wish to 'forward' sites?
[00:29:47] <coderanger> It is just the chunk of the apache config that pertains to one site
[00:31:47] <zinq> coderanger: ok. Thanks for your help
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[00:36:12] <coderanger> ugh, letting your users pick their login names is a horrible idea for group managemnt
[00:40:52] <zobi1> what is the purpose of setting a component owner?
[00:41:05] <coderanger> Its the default assignee
[00:41:20] <zobi1> k, thx.
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[00:53:45] <jacobat> Howdy all, I'm trying to get emailtotrac working, but no matter what I do I can't seem to get the script to write to the database. Any ideas on how to proceed? I'm on 0.9.6
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[01:21:08] <mooch> hi
[01:22:25] <mooch> i have a small python prog that is supposed to test the reStructuredText bug, but i have not much clue how it should work
[01:24:07] <mooch> sent to the appropiate list
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[03:29:25] <awilkins> Hi there, I'm having some trouble getting Trac to log to a file on Win2k server?
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[03:42:05] <jacobat> Where can I find documentation on the internals of trac? I'm missing the documentation of the attachment class
[03:46:46] <Blackhex> the code
[03:52:36] <jacobat> Alright
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[04:04:22] <Blackhex> how to join two generators into list?
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[04:09:46] <Blackhex> never mind
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[04:43:41] <uber`xxiiv> Blackhex, you there ?¿
[04:44:49] <Blackhex> yes§
[04:45:17] <uber`xxiiv> something wrong with you last commit
[04:45:27] <uber`xxiiv> ZipImportError: bad local file header in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/TracScreenshotsPlugin-0.3-py2.4.egg
[04:45:40] <uber`xxiiv> my trac is dead from this now
[04:46:08] <uber`xxiiv> full output is at http://dev-1.borgforge.net/trac/castpodder-ajax
[04:47:28] <uber`xxiiv> removing the egg only produces another output that the egg is missing
[04:48:43] <Blackhex> I don't know this error
[04:49:02] <uber`xxiiv> need to find out then
[04:49:13] <uber`xxiiv> cause i cant even remove the egg to get my trac working
[04:49:58] <Blackhex> uber`xxiiv: that's really weird how can missing eeg avoid run trac
[04:50:15] <uber`xxiiv> wanna see ?¿
[04:50:59] <uber`xxiiv> IOError: zipimport: can not open file /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/TracScreenshotsPlugin-0.3-py2.4.egg
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[04:51:32] <uber`xxiiv> http://dev-1.borgforge.net/trac/castpodder-ajax
[04:51:36] <uber`xxiiv> go look
[04:51:50] <uber`xxiiv> now trac wont even run with or without your plugin
[04:53:11] <uber`xxiiv> im at wits end on this
[04:54:09] <Blackhex> trying to install egg to site-packages
[04:55:11] <Blackhex> did you disable screenshots plugin in trac.ini?
[04:55:23] <uber`xxiiv> yup
[04:56:40] <Blackhex> it is working here
[04:57:03] <uber`xxiiv> crap
[04:57:09] <Blackhex> did you have eny error runnign python setup.py bdis_egg?
[04:57:46] <uber`xxiiv> nope
[04:58:41] <Blackhex> then I don't know, I don't have 0.10 here to test it
[05:00:12] <uber`xxiiv> hell this is really bad
[05:02:46] <Blackhex> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/trac/users/23448
[05:03:39] <Blackhex> google says nothing more
[05:04:15] <uber`xxiiv> and i restarted my server like 50 times
[05:04:22] <uber`xxiiv> same thing
[05:06:52] <uber`xxiiv> i even deleted the egg cache
[05:07:33] <Blackhex> ask coderanger he should be more experiended
[05:15:30] <uber`xxiiv> OMFG
[05:15:44] <uber`xxiiv> NOW IT WORKS
[05:15:49] <uber`xxiiv> #@!$#@!
[05:17:45] <Blackhex> great
[05:18:49] <uber`xxiiv> for some stupid odd reason i did a upgrade on all projects and it worked
[05:18:59] <uber`xxiiv> even though nothing was upgraded
[05:19:17] <uber`xxiiv> and then deleted the fcgi sockets in /tmp
[05:19:26] <uber`xxiiv> restarted the server and bam it worked
[05:22:11] <Blackhex> maybe not properly killed server process
[05:22:45] <uber`xxiiv> dunno what it was
[05:23:02] <uber`xxiiv> maybe lighttpd lost the fcgi socket
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[05:46:24] <nextime> anyone using CodeTagsPlugin?
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[07:32:45] <jtoy_> is there a way to use trac without an svn repo?
[07:35:34] <coderanger_> In trunk, yes
[07:35:57] <petekaz> dunno, but I use it without using the source code features of trac, but I still created an empty repo, but I just took away BROWSER_VIEW from all users and that took away the link at the top of the screen.
[07:37:25] <coderanger_> In 0.9 you have to do that
[07:37:39] <coderanger_> Well that or disable trac.versioncontrol.*
[07:37:51] <coderanger_> Though you need a dummy repo to start with
[07:38:11] <petekaz> My CSS kungfu is limited, is there a quick one or two line change I can use to limit the width of the default trac templates, I know my users are dumb and don't realize that reading long lines of text has been proven inefficient, so I'd like enforc a limit on the width.
[07:38:17] <petekaz> coderanger_: that's all I had to do?
[07:38:32] <petekaz> nice.
[07:41:06] <coderanger_> tis shiny
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[07:54:12] <petekaz> re: my CSS question, it seems that adding this to templates/site_css.cs does the trick (centered, limited width):
[07:54:23] <petekaz> html {
[07:54:23] <petekaz> margin-right: auto;
[07:54:24] <petekaz> margin-left: auto;
[07:54:24] <petekaz> width: 800px;
[07:54:27] <petekaz> }
[07:56:04] <jtoy_> quick question, I use trac with https, but some of the forms send the data to http, why is this? how can I fix this
[07:56:15] <jtoy_> seems like a ridiculous issue
[07:56:16] <petekaz> I take that back, it works in Firefox, but not IE. I hate CSS.
[07:56:49] <coderanger_> jtoy_: set base_url in trac.ini
[07:57:08] <coderanger_> (do you use tracd?)
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[07:59:56] <jtoy_> coderanger_: no, I use fcgi and cgi
[08:00:14] <jtoy_> hmm, thats too bad that I have to set that for eveyr trac instance I have
[08:00:23] <coderanger_> then base_url should do it
[08:00:44] <coderanger_> Trac generally tries to figure it out on its own, but it sounds like it is misdetecting the path
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[08:04:22] <jtoy_> coderanger_: is there a way maybe inside of apache's conf that I can set it once?
[08:05:34] <jtoy_> coderanger_: becuase I am using TRAC_ENV_PARENT_DIR currently so I dont have to setup every trac instance in apache
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[08:13:04] <jtoy_> anyone?
[08:14:16] <coderanger_> jtoy_: Not that I know of
[08:14:34] <jtoy_> ok, thanks
[08:14:43] <coderanger_> Want to pastebin your apache config?
[08:15:00] <coderanger_> lisppaste5: url
[08:15:00] <lisppaste5> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/trac and enter your paste.
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[09:29:20] <DarkSSH> hello guys
[09:29:30] <pacopabl1> jello
[09:29:59] <pacopabl1> grr, que paso con mi nombre!?
[09:30:08] <ncolton> Hello.
[09:30:12] <DarkSSH> got a perhaps strange question. When we do commits to our project rXXX shows up as a link to another commit (just great!!) and #XXX shows up as a link to the ticketing system. Is it possible to change that link to somewhere else?
[09:30:17] <DarkSSH> for example our own bugtracker?
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[09:32:38] <ncolton> I'm just a noob here. I have no idea.
[09:32:58] <pacopablo> DarkSSH: not without some coding
[09:33:29] <DarkSSH> would be great though ;p. Would it be possible for you to point me in the general direction?
[09:33:30] <pacopablo> the alternate is to prefix them with ! so that they aren't interpreted as links
[09:33:43] <pacopablo> Look into the Wiki Formatter
[09:34:39] <pacopablo> http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/trunk/trac/wiki/formatter.py
[09:35:53] <DarkSSH> thanks a zillion. Now to learn some python ;)
[09:36:02] <pacopablo> hehe, have fun
[09:36:29] <DarkSSH> thanks
[09:39:03] <ncolton> I realize this may be well outside the scope of this channel, but I was wondering how best to use Trac for the full life cycle of a given programming project, including the initial planning of it. I'm VERY new to project handling in any administrative ways, as well (aka be patient w/me, I'm new to this). Suggestions? Things I should go read (online preferably)? etc ...
[09:40:04] <pacopablo> that's a BIG question
[09:40:13] <ncolton> Egad I wrote a lot. Um. Sorry ...
[09:40:16] <pacopablo> and depends entirely on how you plan to manage the project
[09:40:32] <pacopablo> I actually meant that the scope of that question is huge
[09:41:01] <pacopablo> generally, I use the wiki for documentation, planning included
[09:41:19] <ncolton> Oh. Yes. That part I knew about when asking it. I'm just not really sure where/how to START something in Trac.
[09:41:20] <pacopablo> and then milestones for deliverables
[09:41:45] <pacopablo> do you have a trac site setup?
[09:41:53] <ncolton> I do.
[09:42:49] <ncolton> Haven't fiddled much w/Milestones and categories as I don't know what to set them to, yet.
[09:43:00] <ncolton> I've done just enough to see how they work.
[09:43:31] <pacopablo> well, you can use them however you want
[09:43:37] <pacopablo> usualyl, I use them as deliverables
[09:44:00] <pacopablo> and then attach ticket to them for the steps that I need to complete before the deliverable is met
[09:45:01] <pacopablo> as far as starting, I'd just start detailing your project in Wiki
[09:45:14] <pacopablo> and then you'll start to see the parts needed, etc
[09:45:25] <pacopablo> an dthen you can break them out into milestones and tickets
[09:45:30] <ncolton> Deliverables being, initially, the major components of the software, then later the entire software system?
[09:46:38] <ncolton> Rather, entire software system release phases?
[09:47:22] <pacopablo> yeah
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[09:52:32] <ncolton> Thanks! That should help a great deal. :)
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[09:57:41] <petekaz> Hmm ... I edited my main wiki page, and I must have put some bad code in there as I get an error now trying to view it, which also means I can no longer edit it. How do I get myself out of this pickle?
[09:58:43] <petekaz> v.9.6
[10:00:06] <lisppaste5> petekaz pasted "Traceback from error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/24181
[10:01:29] <petekaz> nevermind, fixed it, by going to page url with ?action=edit.
[10:02:30] <petekaz> the culprit was apparently an incorrectly formatted query:
[10:02:36] <petekaz> [query:status=new|assigned|reopened&type=signaling&group=type Signaling]
[10:02:39] <petekaz> that broke it.
[10:02:44] <petekaz> [query:?status=new|assigned|reopened&type=signaling&group=type Signaling]
[10:02:49] <petekaz> that fixed it (the question mark)
[10:03:36] <petekaz> the TracQuery page in 0.9.6 shows both ways, I must have picked the wrong one :-)
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[10:11:01] <cmlenz> petekaz: I don't think status=new|assigned|reopened works with the ? format
[10:11:21] <cmlenz> the ? format is for copy-pasting the query string from the URL
[10:11:29] <cmlenz> it probably looks different in the URL
[10:11:46] <cmlenz> i.e. status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened or somesuch
[10:12:05] <nextime> shuld the roadmap view show the progresso bar of tickets targed to a milestone by default?
[10:12:14] <nextime> s/progresso/progress/
[10:13:19] <cmlenz> yes, unless that milestone is marked as completed
[10:13:28] <nextime> as i can read on TracRoadmap in the wiki yes, but i don't see any bar ( i have 2 tickets open and active for a milestone )
[10:13:58] <nextime> the milestone isn't marked as complete, it as a date set
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[10:17:03] <cmlenz> you see the milestone but no progress bar?
[10:17:30] <nextime> cmlenz : yes
[10:18:03] <cmlenz> that means Trac *thinks* there are no ticket associated with your milestone :-P
[10:18:07] <cmlenz> for whatever reason
[10:18:28] <cmlenz> anything special about the milestone naming? leading/trailing spaces or sth?
[10:18:40] <cmlenz> we had problems with that in older versions
[10:19:01] <nextime> cmlenz : is a 0.9.6
[10:19:17] <nextime> milestone is "NaMe 0.1"
[10:19:32] <nextime> maybe i will try to rename it to a plain name without space?
[10:21:13] <nextime> yes, renaming it to a plain name without spaces now roadmap view show the progression bar
[10:23:32] <nextime> ok, for the moment i will rename milestones to name-0.1 instead of name 0.1
[10:23:51] <nextime> shuld i send a bug reports about this on the edgewall web site?
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[10:30:53] <cmlenz> that's weird, we never had problems with spaces in the middle of the name
[10:31:01] <cmlenz> what database are you using?
[10:31:25] <nextime> cmlenz : the default one, sqlite
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[10:36:35] <cmlenz> nextime: can you try renaming it back it include the space, please?
[10:37:45] <nextime> cmlenz : sure
[10:39:40] <nextime> renaming back with the space ( from UMPoll-0.1 to UMPoll 0.1 ) the progress bar is shown and the tickets target milestone is renamed correctly to the new name with space
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[11:24:33] <pacopablo> wow, I just realized how the plugins page on the about page shows all the objects that implement a given interface
[11:24:36] <pacopablo> pretty neat
[11:29:50] <coderanger_> Alec made something similar for interfaces
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[11:34:16] <pacopablo> what, all objects that implement said interface?
[11:35:47] <coderanger_> The location of the extensionpoints I think
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[11:39:37] <coderanger_> If I have a vhost with my Trac and Subversion config is there an easy way to serve that over both HTTP and HTTPS?
[11:39:58] <coderanger_> I know I can do it by proxying one to the other, but that seems silly
[11:40:11] <pacopablo> not that I know of
[11:40:21] <pacopablo> what I do is put the trac and svn config into a separate file
[11:40:31] <pacopablo> and then inlcude it in both my vhost for http and the one for https
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[11:40:40] <pacopablo> so I dont' have to duplicate the configs
[11:41:11] <coderanger_> Thats seems equally inelegant though
[11:41:33] <pacopablo> never said it was elegant
[11:41:44] <pacopablo> if I wanted elegant, I wouldn't be using apache
[11:41:56] <coderanger_> fair enough
[11:42:12] <pacopablo> just not aware of a more elegant solution
[11:42:49] <coderanger_> I think mod_rerwite proxying is my best bet
[11:43:06] <coderanger_> Because I only want to allow HTTP for off-campus users right now
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[11:47:20] <coderanger_> Thank goodness for having a server thats vastly overpowered for its job :)
[11:47:30] <pacopablo> hehe
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[11:54:27] <em-dash> anyone familiar with the query language?
[11:54:42] <em-dash> oops, brb
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[11:56:08] <em-dash> ok, so does anyone know how to query custom fields in the query language?
[11:56:46] <coderanger_> "You can't"
[11:56:54] <em-dash> if I go to 'custom queries' in View Tickets, I can query for custom fields, but not in a wiki link
[11:57:10] <em-dash> coderanger: seriously?
[11:57:18] <coderanger_> I don't think so anyway
[11:57:34] <em-dash> it works in View Tickets....
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[11:59:25] <coderanger_> Hmm
[12:03:40] <coderanger_> Looks like you should just be able to directly use the field name
[12:05:05] <em-dash> I get " Error: Macro TicketQuery( client~=ClientName&status=new|assigned|reopened ) failed
[12:05:06] <em-dash> no such column: t.client"
[12:05:50] <coderanger_> Have you looked for/filed a bug?
[12:06:16] <em-dash> not yet, thought I'd ask here first
[12:06:23] <coderanger_> sounds buggish
[12:14:33] <pacopablo> anyone used the graphviz plugin lately?
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[12:47:03] <em-dash> looks like its just an issue with the TicketQuery macro, because query: TracLinks work for custom fields
[12:48:11] <em-dash> anyone have pointers on what escaping (if any) is necessary in the query language?
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[12:57:43] <pacopablo> url encoding probably
[13:14:49] <petekaz> SQL question for reports. I have a report that filters by t.type = 'project', but I don't want t.type in the generated report. I blow away the qualified t.type, and it complained about ambiguities, so I'm not sure how one can get the effect of 't.type AS type' without actually displaying it.
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[13:45:23] <pygi> hello, how can I fix this:
[13:45:23] <pygi> http://libburn.pykix.org/browser
[13:46:57] <pacopablo> pygi: the error message doesn't help?
[13:47:23] <pygi> pacopablo, I need to resync the trac with repository, forgot how ^_^
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[13:47:50] <pacopablo> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracAdmin#TracAdmin
[13:48:02] <pacopablo> specifically: trac-admin /path/to/your/trac/env resync
[13:48:47] <pygi> ehm, right
[13:48:50] <pygi> sorry for bugging :)
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[14:07:35] <coderanger> Is there a reason that you can't resync from WebAdmin?
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[14:13:01] <noodl> Hi guys. I'm having trouble building svn with the python bindings. I've installed swig 1.3.29 (and later 1.3.28) but svn doesn't build libsvn_swig_py.so. Any clues? I've tried #svn :(
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[14:30:30] <cmlenz> I assume you did do `make swig-py` and `make install-swig-py` (or similar)
[14:30:55] <cmlenz> if that's the case, no clue ;-)
[14:32:50] <noodl> Yes, I've just tried that again after installing 1.3.25 (and rebuilding for the nth time). The barfage on that command is spectacular, starting in every case with subversion/bindings/swig/python/svn_client.c:80:20: Python.h: No such file or directory
[14:33:53] <cmlenz> hmm
[14:34:04] <cmlenz> so maybe you're missing the python-devel package?
[14:34:15] <cmlenz> if you're on a linux distro
[14:34:19] <noodl> oh, that'd really suck :(
[14:34:39] <cmlenz> usually on linux the headers and stuff are separated out into a separate package
[14:35:38] <noodl> yep, and you're right, i didn't have that package installed (CentOS). Let's try again :)
[14:36:09] <noodl> hmm, less barfage, this is looking good so far :)
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[14:52:26] <[ArGroup]Seth> hey guys - is there any easy way to reassign all reports owned by X to person Y?
[14:52:39] <[ArGroup]Seth> I'd rather not have to do it for 100+ reports one by one
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