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August 20, 2006

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[00:39:03] <alect> ping
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[04:13:38] <nextime> it is possible to change the date format from US format to EU format ( dd/mm/yyyy instead od mm/dd/yyyy ) on milestone add form and timeline view filter form?
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[06:14:49] <alect> nextime: you need to set the locale in apache
[06:15:16] <alect> greetings jborg
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[07:01:12] <jborg> howdy alect
[07:03:57] <alect> i'm writing a stats plugin
[07:04:10] <alect> (using matplotlib)
[07:04:58] <jborg> cool, what kind of stats?
[07:06:03] <alect> currently i am working on the repo stats section. i've got top 10 committers, top 10 files changed, files in repo over time and average file size over time
[07:06:04] <cmlenz> matplotlib is a bitch to install :-(
[07:06:15] <alect> really? :\
[07:06:49] <cmlenz> I was experimenting with it for bitten in the early stages
[07:07:01] <cmlenz> yeah, at least on os x
[07:07:06] <alect> hmm, what did you end up using?
[07:07:10] <alect> ah
[07:07:15] <cmlenz> I recently came across a cool-looking chart library, but can't remember the name
[07:07:22] <cmlenz> bitten now uses SWF charts
[07:07:29] <cmlenz> i.e. flash-based
[07:07:37] <alect> i found two others: pychart and gnuplot.py
[07:07:56] <alect> accursed flash!
[07:08:01] <cmlenz> there's another one though
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[07:09:48] <cmlenz> http://www.advsofteng.com/cdpython.html
[07:10:38] <alect> "self contained", that's quite an endorsement
[07:11:02] <jborg> Have you looked at this one? http://www.liquidx.net/plotkit/
[07:11:26] <cmlenz> oh chartdirector is commercial
[07:11:36] <alect> doh
[07:11:53] <alect> i've not jborg
[07:11:54] * alect looks
[07:12:06] <cmlenz> jborg: that looks pretty neat
[07:12:14] <cmlenz> will require the svg plugin on IE though
[07:12:40] <cmlenz> someone was working on a SVG->VML translator for IE
[07:12:42] <alect> relies on mochikit too
[07:14:02] <alect> it doesn't seem to use svg for me
[07:14:57] <cmlenz> it probably uses canvas by default
[07:15:02] <alect> ah canvas
[07:15:04] <alect> yeah
[07:17:37] <alect> http://swapoff.org/files/repostats.png
[07:18:02] <alect> i appropriated the webadmin architecture :P
[07:18:51] <alect> actually i also wanted to ask about getting an IRepositoryChangeListener into 0.10
[07:18:56] <alect> pretty late in the game, i know
[07:19:03] <alect> it would make plugins like this easier
[07:19:12] <alect> and reposearch, repotags
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[07:44:04] <MartinCleaver> can the fields in trac be customised without coding, e.g. where it says "Type: Priority: Milestone: ", I want an Impacts: (checkboxes) UI, Security
[07:44:18] <MartinCleaver> added to the existing set
[07:44:31] <alect> yes, it's in the manual
[07:46:00] <MartinCleaver> ok, thanks alect
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[09:24:27] <sineer> hi
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[09:27:53] <sineer> I've noticed TRAC doesn't obfuscate the email addr of those who file tickets on public trac site... Isn't that asking for spambots to dig those addrs ?
[09:30:44] <misc> yes, and in fact, the whole business model is based on the fact emails are selled to pay the dev
[09:31:00] <sineer> lol
[09:31:49] <sineer> I guess obfuscation wouldn't do much good anyway, these bots must be intelligent enough to gues that somename AT someplace DOT com is a mail addr...
[09:32:24] <sineer> although looks like if your a registered user it doesn't display your mail addr so it ain't too bad
[09:32:56] <misc> i personaly prefer to filter on smtp side than to prevent harvesting
[09:33:39] <sineer> yeah. but I'm sure most ppl posting tickets on trac site don't have adequate spam filter setup
[09:34:07] <sineer> anyway.. I got to get to work and hack trac doxygen plugin todo what I need
[09:34:59] <sineer> the search.php lookup is broken and is search for search_8h.html instead :(
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[10:23:20] <sineer> what does the TracRedirect plugin does?
[10:23:42] <sineer> I mean what more does it do than a simple link to say a wiki page or html external link?
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[10:48:01] <matt_good> coderanger, pacopablo: do you guys use Jabber/GTalk?
[11:19:36] <sineer> TRAC is definitely the coolest tool I got to setup for a biz. :) BuildBot is wicked sick too... but with all the cool Trac Hacks, TRAC is a winner!
[11:20:33] <sineer> Is anyone working on a BuildBot plugin to integrate BuildBot waterfall dsplay into trac kinda like doxygenplugin work...
[11:21:01] <sineer> cause if no one is doing it I might as well give it a shot
[11:21:05] <matt_good> sineer: there's a plugin registered on TracHacks, but I think it's still just a skeleton
[11:21:27] <sineer> oh yeah! I must have missed it.. there's so many :)
[11:21:30] <matt_good> if you're not already using BuildBot, you may want to take a look at http://bitten.cmlenz.net
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[11:21:50] <sineer> I'm using buildbot already. it rocks
[11:22:08] <sineer> I'm going to have to fight against cruise control soon... like this week mayb
[11:22:21] <matt_good> well, in that case you may still want to look at Bitten for ideas on integrating builds into Trac
[11:22:23] <sineer> cause the C# ppl at work installed cruise control and spent 3wks tweaking it...
[11:22:31] <matt_good> heh
[11:22:57] <sineer> yeah thanks dor the link, I'm checking it out
[11:23:21] <sineer> oh yeah I remember seeing it
[11:24:06] <sineer> and I remember asking myself if bitten had integrated the waterfall display into trac also..
[11:24:56] <sineer> btw, I was amazed by the screenshot I've seen of RevTree !! I can't wait for us to start using branch at work to get to use it heh
[11:25:09] <sineer> Graphviz and Latex output plugin too!! holy shit :)
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[11:25:42] <Le_Vert> hi trac users
[11:25:47] <sineer> hi Le_Vert
[11:25:59] <Le_Vert> I'm looking for someone who know ticket delete plugin well
[11:26:13] <Le_Vert> in fact i have installed it on my trac 0.9
[11:26:23] <Le_Vert> and I can only remove a full ticket
[11:26:38] <Le_Vert> i thought i could just remove one selected comment for example
[11:27:01] <matt_good> Le_Vert: yes, you can remove comments
[11:27:12] <sineer> Le_Vert, perhaps in trac 10dev only ? (Just a guess!)
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[11:27:20] <Le_Vert> so it doesn't work for me
[11:27:25] <Le_Vert> dunno sinner
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[11:27:39] <Le_Vert> there's no documentation on the plugin website
[11:27:47] <Le_Vert> absolutely nothing
[11:28:25] <matt_good> Le_Vert: there should be two entries under the "Ticket System" section: "Delete" and "Delete Changes"
[11:28:35] <matt_good> "Delete Changes" is the one to delete comments
[11:30:00] <Le_Vert> oooh iv
[11:30:01] <Le_Vert> ic
[11:30:07] <Le_Vert> thanks a lot dudes :)
[11:41:21] <matt_good> sineer: hmm, that RevTree thing is pretty cool
[11:41:54] <sineer> yeah it looks awesome! I can't wait to get to use it :)
[11:42:50] <coderanger> nextime: Change the locale
[11:43:42] <sineer> hey, what's the best Calender hack to use with 10dev ? WikiCalendarMacro from subversion of the (another version) from the file that was uploaded from Alex ?
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[11:45:40] <coderanger> sineer: What kind of things are you trying to do with it?
[11:47:14] <matt_good> sineer: the macro linked to is newer than the one in SVN, but I haven't reviewed the changes to see what was done with it
[11:48:09] <sineer> coderanger, I want milestone to be shown as bold dates. also I'd like it to be ideal to track meeting minutes in wiki form
[11:48:28] <coderanger> sineer: Look at the TracBlog plugin for mintues
[11:49:16] <sineer> ok, but I've seen a cool outlook looking calendar plugin on some trac site I'm trying to find back..
[11:49:21] <matt_good> coderanger: well, I initially wrote the WikiCalendar to work along with TracBlog for displaying a calendar of the minutes
[11:49:23] <sineer> it looked really neato
[11:49:46] <coderanger> matt_good: But TracBlog has a calendar in it ;-)
[11:50:09] <matt_good> coderanger: ok, I haven't really looked at it in a while
[11:50:20] <sineer> anyhow, I'll try both I guess :)
[11:50:33] <sineer> I'll start with Blog seeing it must be ideal for what I need
[11:52:24] <sineer> don't I need to add something to my trac.ini to use WikiGoodies?
[11:52:55] <sineer> I've installed the egg and restarted apache but it can't find macro ShowSmileys
[11:54:09] <sineer> let me gues goodies.* = enable in trac.ini..
[11:54:11] <sineer> I'll try that
[11:55:12] <sineer> NICE :)
[11:55:58] <sineer> Ah Goody!! This is Very nice =)
[11:57:34] <coderanger> matt_good: Did you take a look at that accountmanager fields patch?
[11:59:04] <matt_good> coderanger: not yet
[11:59:49] <matt_good> coderanger: where was that?
[11:59:56] <coderanger> I'm debating if its better to leave it in its currently unobtrusive form, or try to refactor everything out
[12:00:00] <coderanger> http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~kantrn/acct_mgr_fields.patch
[12:06:35] <nextime> coderanger : uh ok, your locales hint was for the question that i've poned many hours ago, now i understand you. Anyway, instead of changing the locales setting for whole system, it is better to put a simply "LANG=xx_XX" on /etc/apache2/envvars, to change it only for mod_python and in general for apache
[12:07:07] <coderanger> nextime: Yeah, I noticed that after I hit enter (the scroll bar was all the way at the top)
[12:07:25] <nextime> coderanger : thanks anyway :)
[12:10:15] <sineer> can I config Tags plugin to not include keywords/components from Closed tickets?
[12:10:54] <coderanger> sineer: No
[12:11:10] <coderanger> But you can probably make Status a tag too
[12:11:26] <coderanger> so you can add "&status=closed" to the filter expression
[12:11:38] <sineer> yeah but what good would that do me except add more useless tags in the list of tags?
[12:11:47] <sineer> oh
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[12:20:55] <sineer> coderanger, it doesn't work, altough it added the closed and fixed tags I can't discriminate using &status=closed or fixed...
[12:21:12] <sineer> I've tried a couple of things, only fixed or closed alone works
[12:21:21] <coderanger> Where are you filtering?
[12:21:33] <sineer> well I'm not sure..
[12:21:47] <sineer> I'm trying to filter all tags that have a status=open like you said
[12:22:23] <coderanger> try "new" or "assigned"
[12:22:37] <sineer> or closed.. .but I'm confused as to know how tags works. does it match a status with a tag or simply create additinal tags for status
[12:23:15] <sineer> new works... where do I learn about all these keywords? The TracTags help page don't talk about that
[12:23:45] <coderanger> Its not a tags thing
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[12:23:55] <coderanger> Look at what the status is on your tickets ;-)
[12:24:29] <sineer> ok, so I must see tags just as an additinoal serach engine that only index what I tell it todo and that's it right?
[12:24:41] <sineer> and I can add tags to wiki pages and tell it to parse the fields I want to from the Tickjets
[12:25:52] <coderanger> more or less
[12:26:11] <sineer> yeah, Im reading the intro page for the thrist time to try and uynderstand better
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[12:30:28] <sineer> ok, I've read it for the third time and try to figure out it works.. I have bugs filed under fpga component and I'd like to list all bugs that are open and assiggned to this comp.
[12:30:46] <sineer> oh,hm
[12:30:49] <sineer> never mind
[12:31:00] <sineer> I was doing fpga+open isntead of fpga+new
[12:31:32] <nextime> exists a plugin that permit fine control over permission on wiki pages, i wish to have some pages that a user can read and write and other users can only read, and others users can't read or write it
[12:31:45] <nextime> ?
[12:31:58] <coderanger> nextime: "Sort of"
[12:32:03] <coderanger> There is a patch for 0.9
[12:32:10] <coderanger> And there is the security branch
[12:33:26] <nextime> coderanger: a
[12:33:29] <nextime> ops
[12:34:34] <nextime> ok, i will look, thanks
[12:35:25] <nextime> ( i have many plugins, now also a patch, when i will upgrade to 0.10 or so, it will be very hard to do, f*ck )
[12:39:25] <matt_good> plugins won't necessarily need upgraded when you update Trac, though some may
[12:40:19] <sineer> why won't the [[BR]] macro work with TracNav :( the [[Image]] work ..
[12:40:57] <nextime> matt_good : i know, but many plugins that i have installed are distributed in different version "for 0.9 and 0.10", so, they will need to be upgraded too
[12:42:20] <coderanger> nextime: Fix HackInstall ;-)
[12:42:28] <nextime> anyway, for "hard" i mean "long time operation", not difficult
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[12:45:55] <nextime> coderanger : i think that the right and better way will be only to have a plugin api from trac more stabilized in future, so, changing version of trac won't need to change plugins version at all :)
[12:46:19] <coderanger> nextime: Such is the danger of using pre-1.0 software
[12:46:28] <nextime> coderanger : agree
[12:48:09] <nextime> anyway, trac permit to use less time to develop my projects, so, i can spent some time when one or two times for year i will need an upgrade :)
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[12:49:38] <sineer> TracBlog doesn't work for me :(
[12:50:02] <sineer> log reports it load fine and no error are displayed in the log yet in the wiki I get Failed to load processor BlowShow doh
[12:50:03] <sineer> Blow
[12:50:32] <sineer> nah doesn't work with [[BlogShow()]] either
[12:50:54] <sineer> Failed to load processor BlogShow no macro found...
[12:51:14] <sineer> but I don't see any error or warning in my debug log
[12:51:38] <sineer> 2006-08-20 15:51:12,330 Trac[loader] DEBUG: Loading egg plugin tBlog from /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/tBlog-0.2-py2.4.eg
[12:51:55] <coderanger> you have tBlog.8 = enabled?
[12:51:58] <coderanger> er .*
[12:52:12] <sineer> yes
[12:52:16] <sineer> it loads the plugin
[12:52:26] <sineer> [[BlogPost()]] doesn't work either
[12:53:11] <coderanger> Check your MacroList page
[12:53:29] <sineer> what's that?
[12:53:44] <sineer> ok I see
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[12:54:24] <nextime> sineer : have you restarted your apache ( IF you use mod_python with apache )?
[12:54:39] <sineer> yes I did restart twice
[12:54:45] <sineer> also did trac-admin upgrade
[12:54:56] <sineer> no blog macro show up in MacroList
[12:55:14] <coderanger> sineer: Are you using the correct version wrt 0.9 vs 0.10?
[12:55:39] <sineer> 0.10
[12:55:51] <sineer> trac latest 10dev
[12:57:52] <sineer> wierds, it definitly loads the egg but doesn't let me access the macros?
[12:58:03] <coderanger> Do you see the config page in WebAdmin
[12:58:12] <coderanger> Or the nav button
[12:58:41] <sineer> I see I can uninstall in the plugins pane
[12:59:01] <sineer> but no button on Nab bar and no config panel for blog
[13:01:06] <coderanger> odd
[13:01:20] <coderanger> I just installed it yesterday and it worked okay
[13:01:29] <coderanger> do you see any errors in your webserver log?
[13:01:37] <sineer> nop I just checked
[13:01:44] <sineer> no error in any log
[13:01:59] <sineer> everything else is working just fine.. including Tags plugin
[13:02:18] <sineer> perhaps I should try a TRAC dev update?
[13:02:25] <coderanger> Worth a shot
[13:02:40] <sineer> hrm mI'm up to date At revision 3622.
[13:02:41] <nextime> have the tracblog plugin an xml-rpc standard interface to push articles?
[13:03:02] <coderanger> nextime: Not yes
[13:03:05] <coderanger> er, yet
[13:03:16] <nextime> ok, so, i can't use it :)
[13:03:35] <coderanger> nextime: metablog compliance is on the list
[13:03:45] <nextime> coderanger : great
[13:04:38] <nextime> i use an sms interface to update my blog, and i use blogfs too, so, without xml-rpc isn't usable for me
[13:06:45] <coderanger> check back in a month or two
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[13:10:33] <sineer> coderanger, found the error! and its wird
[13:10:52] <sineer> I had a typo (ns :) in my trac.ini tBlod.* = enabled instead of tBlog
[13:11:01] <sineer> yet my debug log was importing as follow: DEBUG: Loading egg plugin tBlog from /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/tBlog-0.2-py2.4.egg
[13:11:08] <sineer> :)
[13:11:13] <sineer> python is smart!
[13:11:17] <coderanger> It loads the plugins no matter what
[13:11:27] <coderanger> Its just a question of which eggs it activates
[13:11:46] <sineer> hehe :)
[13:11:51] <sineer> well now I'll know. Thanks again
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[13:19:52] <coderanger> Hmm, authenticated users can't change their session ID, right?
[13:20:54] <sineer> anyone using code tags plugin with trac 10dev ? mine loads find, I can click the Code Tags in the nav bar but it crash with NameError: global name 'result' is not defined un cidetags/indexer.py
[13:20:54] <sineer>
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[13:45:31] <dorian> hi there
[13:45:49] <dorian> was wondering if anyone could help me with an internal error
[13:46:08] <dorian> I'm getting "Can't set position pointer in file" in redhat
[13:50:29] <coderanger> dorian: pastebin the whole traceback
[13:50:32] <coderanger> lisppaste5: url
[13:50:32] <lisppaste5> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/trac and enter your paste.
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[13:51:34] <lisppaste5> dorian pasted "pointer problem" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/24460
[13:51:50] <dorian> any help gladly appreciated
[13:51:59] <dorian> I'm using up2date with the dag rpm
[13:52:19] <dorian> swig is 1.3.21
[13:52:55] <dorian> weird because I can see the changesets in the Timeline
[13:55:53] <dorian> coderanger: any ideas?
[13:56:42] <coderanger> hmm, i dont mess with that side of Trac too much
[13:57:19] <dorian> ok
[13:57:20] <dorian> np
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[14:27:56] <sineer> can I change the format of the dates posted by TracBlog ?
[14:28:11] <sineer> I'd like day/month/year instead of month/day/year
[14:28:20] <coderanger> You can change the page title scheme if thats what you mean
[14:28:29] <sineer> sure :) where do I do that
[14:28:29] <coderanger> Check the admin page
[14:28:34] <sineer> oh :)
[14:29:17] <sineer> no, I'm not talking about the page tille sorry, this one is fine
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[14:29:32] <sineer> its what TRAC display in general that isn't, the timeline is also wrong by our standard...
[14:30:54] <sineer> http://dev.plone.org/plone.org/ticket/80
[14:31:06] <sineer> it got deleted?
[14:32:23] <sineer> oh PythonOption TracLocale uh?
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[14:35:15] <sineer> sweet!
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[15:28:46] <coderanger> matt_good: Question (since I know account manager works with this stuff)
[15:28:57] <coderanger> Is there an easy way to get the session data for someone else?
[15:29:14] <coderanger> like Session('otheruser')['key']
[15:29:51] <matt_good> coderanger: unfortunately not
[15:29:56] <coderanger> hrmm
[15:30:26] <matt_good> I ended up just using SQL for the session manipulation since the Session object expects to be for the current request's user
[15:31:53] <coderanger> It would be really nice if there was a simple way to interact with per-user metadata *cough*tracobjects*cough* :)
[15:33:56] <sineer> I see you guys are talking about SQL... is it best to use trac with mysql or another sql backend if its used by many people for many things on a company intranet?
[15:34:16] <matt_good> sineer: I never had problems with SQLite at my office
[15:34:17] <coderanger> How many reqs/second?
[15:34:35] <sineer> dpn't know yet...
[15:34:42] <coderanger> If its over about 2 dozen, use mysql/pg, less than that just stick with sqlite
[15:35:03] <sineer> ok.. but what if for now we're 20 and soon we might be 40 ?
[15:35:11] <sineer> I already have many trac sites...
[15:35:13] <matt_good> that's per-project too
[15:35:16] <matiu> I want to use the mantis2trac.2.py script, but I don't what to pass as the mantis table names. Can anyone help me?
[15:35:28] <coderanger> yeah, or at least per-db since thats where the lock is
[15:35:50] <coderanger> sineer: think about it, 20/second is probably more than you think ;-)
[15:36:01] <matt_good> so even if you have a lot of people, SQLite will cope fine if they're not all working on the same project
[15:36:41] <sineer> yeah probably.. for now. but does it increase speed? Cause if so (and knowing my office might double in size very soon) I might switch now?
[15:37:04] <coderanger> sineer: Not that I've seen
[15:37:18] <coderanger> sineer: And things to simplify migrations are in the works
[15:37:25] <matt_good> coderanger: the Session object was coded that way since it also handles the session cookies for anonymous sessions, but yes there should be a way to deal with sessions not associated with the current request
[15:37:26] <coderanger> (DatamoverPlugin on trac-hacks)
[15:37:36] <sineer> ok :) Great then. I'll stick with SQLite for now
[15:38:21] <sineer> last q: is there a link / forum / blog where I could get to learn what trac is planning todo for multiple projects support?
[15:40:56] <matt_good> matiu: I don't see any options in mantis2trac.py where you would need to specify the table names
[15:44:19] <matiu> sorry, I meant db name
[15:47:22] <matt_good> matiu: whoever set up Mantis would have created the database, so you'd need to ask them or whoever is responsible for the database server
[15:47:26] <matiu> it's cool, I seem to have a mysql password problem...
[15:47:51] <matiu> The db is there, called mantis, but I don't have access to it from mysql... need to get password
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[16:16:19] <alect> morning
[16:17:35] <sineer> hi alect
[16:19:20] <akempgen> hi
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[16:20:01] <akempgen> is there a way to have trac create thumbnails of images?
[16:22:23] <akempgen> preferably through the image macro
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[16:41:40] <sineer> I tought I'd use NavMoverPlugin to rearange the order of the buttons in the main nav bar but I now believe its only useful to move items from meta nav to main nav bar?
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[16:47:35] <sineer> nm, foundit
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