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August 22, 2006

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[00:03:49] <thecrypto> I am currently attempting to get the latest SVN trunk to work under FCGI using Lighty, I have http://rafb.net/paste/results/tMdtCv52.html as my fastcgi.server config and the error message I get is underneath that when I try and start it. I changed trac.fcgi from #!/usr/bin/python to /usr/bin/env python
[00:06:04] <matt_good> DevG5: be sure you're running trac-admin as the same user your web server is running as so it has the same permissions
[00:07:19] <DevG5> matt_good: it is
[00:08:07] <atwork> File "D:\Python23\Scripts\tracd", line 18, in ?
[00:12:18] <thecrypto> I have pointed PYTHONPATH to it in the right directory as well in the configuration
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[00:22:18] <thecrypto> Anyone else using FastCGI, Lighty, and SVN trunk?
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[01:56:19] <cboos> those damn stupid people testing ticket creation on t.e.o ... maybe it's time to make the big red notice blink ...
[01:57:19] <cmlenz> we should also just remove the link to the SandBox from the start page IMO
[01:57:36] <killing-joke> that's probably the better way
[01:57:55] <killing-joke> if you use it a bunch, clicking on the link becomes a fast subconscious habit
[01:58:27] <killing-joke> or you could make the link go to a big, red, static page ... :)
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[02:06:15] <alect> someone should write a natural language parsing ticket change listener
[02:06:28] <alect> somebody with lots of time on their hands probably
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[03:15:00] <tuxipuxi> to highlight XML, the line would be {{{#!xml }}}, right?
[03:15:13] <cmlenz> yeah
[03:18:08] <tuxipuxi> hmhm actually this should work in ticket comments, too? the description is like "tex text text\n{{{\n#!xml\nxml stuff\n}}}"
[03:22:24] <cmlenz> yeah, that should work I think
[03:22:33] <cmlenz> I use it all the time
[03:23:18] <tuxipuxi> strange, it does not work here for this ticket comment
[03:25:53] <cmlenz> well, maybe the highlighter isn't installed?
[03:25:59] <cmlenz> enscript or silvercity, that is
[03:26:09] <cmlenz> check the logs if there's anything relevant
[03:27:11] <cmlenz> yeah, looks like it's not installed here anyway: http://www.hosted-projects.com/trac/TracDemo/Demo/ticket/3
[03:29:28] <tuxipuxi> cmlenz, but how can it highlight python source code then? i thought trac uses the same highlighting program/library for all code
[03:29:36] <tuxipuxi> and SilverCity isn't installed for sure
[03:30:10] <cmlenz> enscript
[03:30:11] <cmlenz> see http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracSyntaxColoring
[03:30:15] <tuxipuxi> enscript is installed
[03:30:46] <cmlenz> nothing in the logs about who's doing the formatting? should be
[03:30:57] <cmlenz> in DEBUG verbosity, at least
[03:31:03] <tuxipuxi> sec
[03:32:38] <tuxipuxi> cmlenz, that's the output for a ticket containing both XML and python code: http://rafb.net/paste/results/U3dTfN76.html
[03:34:20] <cmlenz> hmm, looks like enscript isn't registered as handling XML in the Trac code
[03:35:17] <tuxipuxi> is there anything i can configure to make trac use enscript for XML?
[03:36:02] <cmlenz> actually, doesn't look like enscript supports xml
[03:36:08] <cmlenz> $ enscript --color -h -q --language=xml -p -
[03:36:09] <cmlenz> <root><elem>foo</elem></root>
[03:36:09] <cmlenz> states: Panik: unknown output language `xml'
[03:36:32] <tuxipuxi> then there's a bug in the TracGuide :)
[03:36:46] <cmlenz> it's a wiki </hint> ;-)
[03:36:59] <cmlenz> I don't know about newer versions, I'm running 1.6.1 here
[03:37:06] <tuxipuxi> ;)
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[03:41:51] <janhaa> hi
[03:41:59] <tuxipuxi> hey janhaa
[03:42:20] <janhaa> i've update a revision log, but it doesn't seem to be updated in trac. any idea if i must purge some trac-information-database or something? :P
[03:42:27] <janhaa> tuxipuxi, hello :)
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[03:45:27] <Mitja> Hi
[03:45:58] <Mitja> I get "Failed to initialize environment. No module named svn" when initializing environment. Which module do I have to install? I'm working on Debian testing.
[03:47:47] <cmlenz> janhaa: shouldn't be necessary, but try "trac-admin resync"
[03:47:56] <janhaa> thanks.
[03:49:40] <janhaa> still nothing... but "svn log" is shows the same as "Message" in Trac, or..?
[03:49:46] <janhaa> s/is//
[03:51:55] <janhaa> oh! it updated now :)
[03:52:01] <janhaa> nice
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[05:17:33] <X-Gen> hey freaks
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[06:07:34] <Mitja> Is there a permission file I can directly modify?
[06:07:43] <lisppaste5> cboos pasted "fragment of the diff_display() macro" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/24539
[06:09:03] <coderanger_> Mitja: Modify to do what?
[06:09:20] <Mitja> coderanger, change permissions
[06:11:18] <coderanger_> Mitja: Its in DB
[06:13:35] <Mitja> I get "Authentication information not available." when I click on Login. Is this normal if auth info is not set in the server configuration?
[06:15:12] <coderanger_> Mitja: that means you haven't setup http auth
[06:15:22] <Mitja> aye
[06:19:38] <alect> the number of dud tickets on t.e.o is getting ridiculous
[06:27:12] <cmlenz> yeah
[06:27:51] <cmlenz> apparently, stupidity of the world population is increasing exponentially
[06:28:03] <cboos> ... that's why I've started to flag those tickets as 'tobedeleted'
[06:29:19] <coderanger_> alect: Someone has been playing with the python trac it seems
[06:29:40] <coderanger_> Not badly though, so hopefully its the python people
[06:29:49] <X-Gen> using trac 0.9, if i edit a report and have time AS created, time AS created,....etc. the report does not display correctly. is it possible to only show one time in a report ?
[06:30:37] <cboos> alect: speaking about the python trac, did you play with the "escape_whitespace" patch I've pasted some time ago?
[06:33:33] <alect> no i didn't see it
[06:33:46] <alect> that reminds me, i need to add admin users for psf
[06:33:53] * alect goes and does that
[06:35:39] <alect> http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006/08/guido_blesses_django_django_an.html
[06:35:45] <alect> django and tg to merge eh
[06:36:32] <alect> nice provocative title
[06:36:54] <cboos> that, plus disabling the '__' as underline token and adding a custom IWikiSyntaxParser to interpret '>>>' verbatim as well as legacy references to tickets (i.e. "bug 2342342"), replace &gt; by >, &quot; by ", and I'm sure we can use wiki formatting in tickets ;)
[06:38:00] <alect> i respect your optimism! :)
[06:38:27] <alect> have you tried it with the ticket data?
[06:38:31] <alect> psf ticket data that is
[06:38:39] <alect> be interesting to see how it goes
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[06:41:26] <alect> that django requirement of an environment variable has always bugged me
[06:41:48] <cmlenz> alect: seen http://www.cmlenz.net/blog/2006/08/the_python_web_.html ?
[06:42:42] <alect> yeah, my comment was referring to yours actually
[06:43:15] <cmlenz> ah
[06:44:30] <alect> i'd like to hear what guido said verbatim
[06:45:27] <cmlenz> yeah, apparently the talk was videotaped, so we might still get that
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[06:45:35] <alect> excellent
[06:45:53] <coderanger_> cmlenz: Now how long until Trac gets on that shortlist ;-)
[06:45:54] <alect> i bet it was nowhere near as sensationalistic as that blog entry makes out
[06:46:34] <cmlenz> well, it'd be a sensation even if he only mumbled those words to himself in a dark corridor ;-)
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[06:47:04] <alect> heh, yes, true
[06:47:07] <alect> poor guy
[06:47:31] <coderanger_> GvR's OSCON speech is up on Google :)
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[07:06:41] <Azrael> does anybody know of plans to allow renaming/moving of wiki pages with all backlinks updated?
[07:07:19] <alect> i think the wikirename thingamie does that
[07:07:35] <Azrael> that an unofficial patch?
[07:07:54] <alect> trac-hacks.org
[07:07:56] <alect> plugin
[07:08:09] <Azrael> kew thx
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[07:08:19] <Azrael> i find the whole macros and plugins thing a pita with trac
[07:08:26] <Azrael> it seems there's a zillion ways to install them
[07:08:32] <Azrael> and all of the docs only get you half there
[07:08:51] <coderanger_> Azrael: Thats a feature, not a bug ;-)
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[07:08:55] <alect> haha
[07:08:57] <Azrael> i found myself just manually moving .py's into /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages etc
[07:09:06] <Azrael> coderanger_: heh
[07:09:19] <coderanger_> Azrael: Build the egg, put it in the env's plugins folder
[07:09:55] <Azrael> i think it was the egg building procedure i couldn't find help on
[07:10:08] <Azrael> or
[07:10:08] <coderanger_> python setup.py bdist_egg
[07:10:17] <Azrael> certain plugins/macros just didn't work well with setuptools
[07:10:36] <coderanger_> Azrael: What version of setuptools?
[07:10:37] <Azrael> of course those certain plugins/macros being the ones i installed...
[07:11:03] <coderanger_> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracPlugins#ForaSingleProject
[07:11:08] <Azrael> setuptools-0.6_rc1
[07:12:01] <coderanger_> rc or c?
[07:12:20] <Azrael> rc1
[07:12:23] <Azrael> that may be a gentoo appendage
[07:12:29] <Azrael> somebody prolly screwed up the ebuild heh
[07:12:33] <Azrael> surprised its not rc999
[07:12:43] <Azrael> as it usually takes devs that many tries to get ebuilds right
[07:12:55] <coderanger_> Ah, yeah, rc1 = c1
[07:13:08] <Azrael> aha! misnomer
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[07:13:12] <Azrael> heh jk
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[07:13:26] <coderanger_> The gentoo nomenclature doesn't match with pje's
[07:13:46] <Azrael> pje?
[07:14:51] <Azrael> OT - am i the only one who gets approximately no sleep on the night before an interview?
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[07:21:40] <alect> you sure aren't
[07:21:46] <alect> where are you interviewing?
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[07:39:29] <alect> i'll be impressed if trac wins this tracker shootout
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[07:41:34] <coderanger_> Yeah
[07:41:47] <coderanger_> Compared the others its still very early in its development
[07:42:08] <coderanger_> Especially for something the scale of Python
[07:42:15] <alect> yeah
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[07:42:37] <alect> if they took into account all the other features of trac, it would kill them all
[07:42:43] <alect> but i suspect they won't
[07:42:47] <Mitja> Where is the list of all available roles for permissions?
[07:43:19] <alect> permission help
[07:43:20] <coderanger_> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracPermissions
[07:43:32] <coderanger_> Thats just the ones included in Trac proper though
[07:43:44] <coderanger_> Plugins can create new permissions
[07:43:54] <Mitja> the only role there is developer
[07:44:12] <alect> you can create new roles
[07:44:25] <alect> @ini
[07:44:25] <evil_twin> alect: "ini" is See http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracIni for details on the Trac configuration file.
[07:44:36] <alect> doh
[07:44:46] <alect> dunno what @ini had to do with it anyway
[07:44:50] * alect has lost the plot
[07:45:53] <coderanger_> Mitja: "groups" is the term I think you are looking for ;-)
[07:46:28] <Mitja> anything that makes this permission system more transparent
[07:46:51] <coderanger_> There a number of group provider plugins that may help on trac-hacks
[07:49:08] <coderanger_> So you can tie into existing LDAP or UNIX groups for example
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[08:08:27] <pacopablo> morning blokes
[08:09:56] <coderanger_> haldo
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[08:15:24] <hyperlink> anyone have trac running on freebsd that could help me find out if I have some proper python stuff installed?
[08:15:38] <hyperlink> wondering if my installation of svn used PySVN
[08:19:09] <coderanger_> hyperlink: PySVN is a standalone package
[08:19:19] <coderanger_> You would have had to install it yourself
[08:19:34] <hyperlink> ok so the default svn for bsd wouldn't install it
[08:19:35] <hyperlink> great
[08:19:50] <coderanger_> correct
[08:20:09] <hyperlink> thank you
[08:20:34] <hyperlink> so what's the subversion SWIG python bindings
[08:20:39] <hyperlink> I think I have do to WITH_PYTHON
[08:21:14] <hyperlink> is there anyway I can see if I have the SWIG bindings?
[08:23:19] <coderanger_> run python
[08:23:25] <coderanger_> "import svn"
[08:25:47] <hyperlink> hmm
[08:25:57] <hyperlink> ImportError: no module named svn
[08:29:06] <hyperlink> hah sweet
[08:29:08] <hyperlink> trac is in ports
[08:29:34] <coderanger_> check the version
[08:29:41] <hyperlink> .96
[08:29:47] <hyperlink> 0.9.6
[08:31:13] <coderanger_> you may want to use the current development version as we are (hopefully) closing in on release
[08:31:31] <hyperlink> yea I hear it's great
[08:31:33] <hyperlink> 0.10
[08:31:37] <hyperlink> well
[08:31:45] <hyperlink> could the ports system upgrade it?
[08:31:46] <hyperlink> hmmmmmmmm
[08:31:52] <hyperlink> what's the best way to get it
[08:32:01] <hyperlink> ports will install dependancies for me eh?
[08:32:01] <pacopablo> svn co
[08:32:29] <hyperlink> svn co http://svn.edgewall.com/repos/trac/trunk/ ?
[08:32:38] <coderanger_> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDownload#LatestDevelopmentSourceCode
[08:32:54] <coderanger_> Install the port, then just pgk_remove it
[08:33:01] <hyperlink> ah
[08:33:04] <hyperlink> for the dependancies
[08:33:05] <hyperlink> sweet
[08:33:06] <coderanger_> yeah
[08:33:18] <hyperlink> pkg_remove ? hmm
[08:33:28] <coderanger_> i think thats the command
[08:33:37] <coderanger_> my bsdfoo is weak
[08:34:05] <hyperlink> heh no worries
[08:34:08] <hyperlink> well
[08:34:20] <hyperlink> it should just install dependancies and put the stuff in the www directory
[08:34:26] <hyperlink> I could just overwrite the files and uninstall eh?
[08:34:48] <hyperlink> oh well
[08:34:49] <hyperlink> here we go
[08:35:35] <hyperlink> hmm it tried downloading subversion
[08:35:39] <hyperlink> crap I already have one installed
[08:35:47] <hyperlink> with mod_dav_svn
[08:36:01] <hyperlink> I might just do this manually
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[08:37:59] <hyperlink> all I need now is SWIG
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[08:50:02] <coderanger_> subversion should have pre-SWIGed bindings
[08:50:15] <hyperlink> heh oops I just installed swig
[08:50:17] <hyperlink> oh well
[08:53:22] <coderanger_> It doesn't hurt
[08:53:29] <hyperlink> yea
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[08:56:08] <hyperlink> well if I already have pyton insalled, do I have to install mod_python separately?
[08:57:07] <pacopablo> yes
[08:57:12] <hyperlink> ok great
[08:57:23] <hyperlink> I won't geta conflict eh?
[08:57:33] <coderanger_> mod_python uses python
[08:57:47] <hyperlink> yea I figured that
[08:57:58] <hyperlink> but when you install mod_php and try to install php it's a dumb port conflict
[08:58:00] <hyperlink> we'll just findout
[08:58:16] <pacopablo> php sucks
[08:58:27] <hyperlink> hah I get an apache error now
[08:58:32] <hyperlink> mod_python-2.7.11 : Error from bsd.apache.mk. apache20 is installed (or APACHE_PORT is defined) and port requires 13.
[08:58:33] <hyperlink> *** Error code 1
[08:58:38] <hyperlink> ?
[08:58:41] <hyperlink> ah damn
[08:58:42] <hyperlink> 1.3?
[08:58:47] <hyperlink> can't do mod_dav_svn then
[08:58:56] <pacopablo> you need mod_python-3.1.x
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[08:59:09] <pacopablo> 2.7 was for apache 1.3
[08:59:14] <pacopablo> 3.x is for apache2
[08:59:18] <hyperlink> ah ty
[08:59:19] <hyperlink> gotta find it
[08:59:20] <hyperlink> hmm
[09:00:32] <hyperlink> ah ty
[09:00:43] <hyperlink> yea I've been hearing some awesome things in python
[09:00:47] <hyperlink> I want to start developing in it
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[09:11:41] <Elephant> hi all
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[09:15:26] <coderanger_> Elephant: Yo
[09:20:03] <pacopablo> hmm, probably can't put a function call in as a default paramter
[09:20:52] <coderanger_> Dont think so
[09:21:07] <coderanger_> Those are evaluated at function compile
[09:21:50] <pacopablo> yeah, so one can, but it doesn't do what is expected
[09:22:34] <coderanger_> Usually you put None
[09:22:51] <coderanger_> and then in the body if param is None: param = foo()
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[09:23:13] <pacopablo> yeah, that's what I'm going to do
[09:23:25] <pacopablo> though I'll use or instead of an if :)
[09:24:35] <xfuentes> hi, did someone know what is the best way to export/import trac tickets?
[09:24:56] <pacopablo> XMLRPC if using 0.10dev
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[09:32:24] <coderanger_> pacopablo: Beware of x not is None and not x
[09:32:35] <coderanger_> ;-)
[09:32:48] <pacopablo> sure :)
[09:33:08] <pacopablo> but: if not x: x = foo()
[09:33:20] <pacopablo> can easily be written: x = x or foo()
[09:33:24] <coderanger_> indeed
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[09:54:19] <Elephant> hmm...I have another weird question
[09:54:56] <coderanger_> shoot
[09:55:18] <Elephant> I want to change the banner that displays at the top of the screen in my trac projects, so when I create a new trac project, it defaults to my company's "Trac project" banner
[09:56:10] <Elephant> as far as I can tell, the right place to do that is in trac.ini, but that file seems to be autogenerated by trac-admin initenv
[09:56:53] <coderanger_> The easiest way is to make a /usr/share/trac/templates/site_header.cs with it
[09:57:37] <coderanger_> but make sure you remove the site_header.cs from the project templates folder
[09:59:42] <Elephant> hmm...I don't suppose there's a way to set that up to run automatically?
[10:00:28] <coderanger_> make a script around trac-admin initend
[10:01:08] <coderanger_> usually a good idea anyway
[10:01:33] <Elephant> I'm using SVN Manager to create svn repos, and I modified the repo creation PHP page with
[10:01:34] <Elephant> exec($trac_cmd." ".$trac_dir." initenv ".$rname." sqlite:db/trac.db ".$dir." /usr/share/trac/templates");
[10:02:15] <Elephant> I also tried adding a script to modify the trac.ini file that was created, but it didn't have any effect
[10:03:55] <hyperlink> ok I installed mod_python and it says to add a few lines to apache but they dont' make sense
[10:04:31] <Elephant> hmm...perhaps I'm not referencing the script file properly...
[10:04:48] <pacopablo> hyperlink: you mean the LoadModule lines? or the trac configuration for mod_python?
[10:04:59] <hyperlink> hah I think I see it on the site now
[10:05:16] <hyperlink> well it gave me 4 lines and had nothing to do with LoadModule
[10:05:24] <hyperlink> the actual mod_python for apache
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[10:07:20] <hyperlink> ahh
[10:07:22] <hyperlink> I think I got it
[10:07:27] <hyperlink> I'm on the modpython.or gsite
[10:15:34] <hyperlink> sweet
[10:15:36] <hyperlink> I think I'm ready
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[10:28:17] <pacopablo> anyone know of a function that will format floats into dollar values?
[10:28:29] <pacopablo> ie, with commas, and period, etc.
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[10:48:28] <osimons> Elephant: I use an empty already created project as template - customized just like i want, ticket settings I want, logo added to htdocs, and keeping just the settings that are specific for the project (the rest in global trac.ini). Then it is just a matter of copying the directory tree, updating the few .ini settings, and running trac-admin upgrade + resync to make it operative. Easily scriptable.
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[11:06:01] <Elephant> Good idea
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[13:05:06] <phil_praxi1> sorry, i forgot, where is located the autofix trac ticket script from SVN comments?
[13:07:08] <pacopablo> contrib
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[14:32:12] <coderanger> What do you guys think of this: Have trac.siteconfig check for an env var (TRAC_PREFIX maybe) so you can retarget what is normally /usr/share/trac on a more granular level?