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August 24, 2006

[00:13:11] <frankg> trac has some nice ajax magic - which ajax kit?
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[00:25:22] <alect> it is home grown
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[00:31:06] <bballizlife> hello
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[00:55:47] <bballizlife> i have installed trac on a freebsd and use it with fastcgi with lighttpd
[00:55:59] <bballizlife> i followed up : http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracFastCgi
[00:57:13] <bballizlife> my projects environnements are under "user1" and when i access to trac with my browser i get an error
[00:57:47] <bballizlife> -> user2 have to get read and write permissions on db/trac.db
[00:57:55] <bballizlife> why "user2" ?
[00:59:03] <bballizlife> moreover "user2" is not the user uner which run the webserver lighttpd
[00:59:11] <bballizlife> s/uner/under/
[01:02:15] <misc> and user2 is what ?
[01:04:33] <bballizlife> another user on the box
[01:04:43] <bballizlife> nothing special in fact
[01:04:56] <bballizlife> that's what i don't understand
[01:05:59] <bballizlife> it's not either the user under which runs svnserve
[01:07:08] <bballizlife> well, i changed the permissions of db/trac.db and it works but i'd like to understand the trick
[01:07:26] <misc> when you do ps aux , you do not see fastcgi running under this user ?
[01:08:29] <bballizlife> no
[01:08:45] <bballizlife> this runs under another user
[01:09:43] <misc> mhh, weird
[01:10:18] <bballizlife> yep. i can't see any relationship between this user and trac in fact
[01:10:46] <bballizlife> but i changed permissions and this works
[01:10:47] <misc> duplciate id on the system ?
[01:11:19] <bballizlife> hum
[01:11:31] <bballizlife> do you know how to check that ?
[01:12:13] <misc> id user2, and check getent passwd | grep uid ?
[01:14:32] <bballizlife> user running fastcgi and user2 don't have the same uid
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[01:50:44] <frankg> I erased my svn repo dir and started over - now when I try to browse with trac - an error page comes up saying cannota access rev14
[01:51:41] <frankg> since I recreated the depot I know there aren't 14 revs
[02:01:26] <frankg> ERROR: ("Reference to non-existent revision 14 in filesystem '/home/fg3/svn/db'", 160006)
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[02:08:24] <frankg> Problem Solved: Good ol google
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[03:55:57] <fsu> Hi! testing trac-0.9.99+0.10svn20060710-1 on debian sarge. When I open .php-file, trac gives me error: "HTML preview not available. To view, download the file." I was just wondering if anyone has noticed..
[03:57:15] <fsu> works fine with other files.
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[04:12:16] <r0nny_> hi
[04:12:21] <Miek> hi
[04:13:12] <r0nny_> heard a rumor, there are plans to port trac to django - is this true ?
[04:17:51] <r0nny_> :/
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[05:28:09] <coderanger> r0nny_: No
[05:28:48] <coderanger> Though Trac is changing its templating toolkit from Clearsilver to Markup
[05:32:28] <r0nny_> thx
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[06:59:29] <kNo`> hi all
[06:59:49] <kNo`> tuxipuxi: ping? # http://www.hosted-projects.com/trac/TracDemo/Demo # sends an internal server error
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[07:06:01] <tuxipuxi> kNo`, thanks for the report!
[07:06:19] <tuxipuxi> cmlenz, is there anything which can be done against the table bug in trac?
[07:06:36] <cmlenz> table bug?
[07:06:37] <alect> evening
[07:06:52] <tuxipuxi> cmlenz, 4 tables suddenly disappearing causing internal error
[07:06:54] <tuxipuxi> hey alect
[07:07:12] <cmlenz> tuxipuxi: I'm pretty sure that's not trac itself doing that
[07:07:24] <cmlenz> however... maybe it's users abusing the report module
[07:07:33] <cmlenz> you may need to disable it
[07:08:06] <cmlenz> i.e. if they do something like "DROP TABLE system; COMMIT;" in a report, that's a problem
[07:08:40] <tuxipuxi> oh right
[07:08:48] <tuxipuxi> i hate these fucking kiddies
[07:09:19] <tuxipuxi> it's an insane world.. even in a demo project for a project management software people cannot behave
[07:09:56] <Miek> :/
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[07:11:43] <kNo`> tuxipuxi: you're welcome ;)
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[07:12:17] <tuxipuxi> cmlenz, disallowing anonymous to create reports while still granting them TRAC_ADMIN for the webadmin plugin is impossible, right?
[07:12:40] <cmlenz> yeah
[07:16:16] <tuxipuxi> cmlenz, if WebAdmin is installed globally and there's a WebAdmin .egg file in the plugins dir, which one is used by Trac?
[07:16:40] <cmlenz> I'm not sure
[07:17:11] <cmlenz> I think it'd use the globally installed one, but I don't know
[07:17:48] <r0nny_> wth - does this mean trac transfers unquoted strings to the database ?
[07:18:15] <tuxipuxi> okay.. if it used the egg'ed one i could modify WebAdmin for the demo project
[07:18:36] <tuxipuxi> r0nny_, no, it's report code
[07:19:33] <tuxipuxi> i haven't thought of that before.. but quite naturally you can screw the trac project if you have report create permission
[07:19:46] <cmlenz> yeah
[07:19:54] <cmlenz> that's why I'd like to get rid of reports in the long term
[07:20:05] <cmlenz> well, one of many reasons
[07:21:05] <r0nny_> its insane
[07:21:23] <tuxipuxi> speaking about long term.. is there any date for the next Trac release?
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[07:23:09] <cmlenz> yeah, next week
[07:23:12] <cmlenz> early next week
[07:23:20] <cmlenz> hopefully as early as monday :-P
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[07:23:42] <tuxipuxi> oh.. a small 0.9.7 bugfix release or 0.10?
[07:29:06] <cmlenz> 0.10
[07:30:00] <Miek> ooh
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[07:42:38] <pacopablo> morning ;)
[07:42:48] <waker> hi. some user submitted a ticket into trac, which is broken. wrong encoding or whatever.. trac wrotes: "Could not decode to UTF-8 column <unknown column name> with text", and lots of ????
[07:43:00] <waker> how can i delete this ticket from commandline interface?
[07:44:23] <pacopablo> what version?
[07:44:50] <waker> 0.9.5
[07:45:07] <pacopablo> you can't
[07:45:16] <waker> what can i do about that?
[07:45:19] <pacopablo> you can try to install the TicketDelete plugin
[07:45:33] <pacopablo> or you can modify the db directly
[07:45:46] <waker> ok, i'll try it.. thanks
[07:47:40] <waker> where can i get this ticketdelete plug? i gogled on it, no matches..
[07:48:25] <pacopablo> trac-hacks.org
[07:48:26] <coderanger> trac-hacks
[07:48:59] <waker> ty
[07:49:01] <coderanger> I don't actually know how it will handle that situation, if it doesn't work let me know and I will try fixing things
[07:49:26] <coderanger> the whole-ticket delete should work
[07:49:43] <coderanger> but change deletion will probably see the same error
[07:50:47] <waker> whole-ticket deletion is sifficient :)
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[08:11:43] <Mitja> Does trac have smilies built-in by any chance?
[08:12:45] <coderanger> WikiGoddies plugin on trac-hacks
[08:12:55] <coderanger> er, Goodies
[08:13:22] <Mitja> thanks
[08:14:04] <Mitja> WikiGoodies? What about for tickets?
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[08:21:18] <entro-p> does anyone know where I can find a working version of MimeInclude macro? (or any equivalent)
[08:22:23] <coderanger> Mitja: Tickets use the Wiki renderer
[08:22:51] <matt_good> entro-p: check the MacroBazaar page on the main site, or trac-hacks.org
[08:23:07] <entro-p> matt_good: nope both don't work
[08:23:17] <pacopablo> hot damn! I love linux
[08:23:24] <entro-p> matt_good: the version of MimeInclude on both of them has not worked since trac 0.9
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[08:24:04] <waker> pacopablo, thanks, i deleted the ticked with ticketdelete plugin!
[08:24:06] <waker> byte
[08:24:08] <waker> bye
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[08:24:59] <pacopablo> HDD started dying a couple days ago, was able to tar up the filesystem, untar'd it onto a new, but smaller drive (in usb enclosure), reran grub from a chroot, installed the new drive into laptop and BAM! it all work s:)
[08:26:18] <matt_good> pacopablo: nice
[08:26:55] <cedricOB> tar /dev/hdd ? or tar mount point ?
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[08:27:40] <cedricOB> or is it using dd ?
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[08:30:17] <Mitja> coderanger, it works, except for "No macro or processor named 'ShowSmileys' found"
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[08:32:48] <pacopablo> cedricOB: for x in `ls /`; do tar cpjf ${x}.tar.bz2 ${x}; done
[08:33:11] <cedricOB> okay
[08:33:20] <pacopablo> dd wouldn't have worked well as the destination drive was smaller
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[08:33:30] <cedricOB> yes
[08:33:45] <pacopablo> of course I had to do the tar over ssh to a separate machine because the laptop only had one drive
[08:33:57] <cedricOB> I personnaly recover delete files using cat /dev/sda
[08:34:22] <cedricOB> yes nice thing what happen !
[08:34:31] <cedricOB> (the successfull restart)
[08:34:41] <pacopablo> oh yes :)
[08:35:11] <pacopablo> especially since my laptop is a crappy VAIO that only has an external CDROM and no current distro LiveCDs can boot
[08:35:30] <cedricOB> really ?
[08:35:34] <cedricOB> no ubuntu ?
[08:35:53] <pacopablo> because the external CDROM (PCMCIA) isn't support well by the kernel, so they can't mount the CD after getting into the initrd
[08:36:01] <cedricOB> :/
[08:36:20] <pacopablo> nope, no ubuntu, no knoppix, no gentoo, no nothing that uses a compressed filesystem off of the CDROM
[08:36:36] <cedricOB> damn !
[08:36:52] <pacopablo> and as I use XFS, most floppy distros are out, since they generally don't have XFS support
[08:37:05] <cedricOB> oh you are an xfs user
[08:37:11] <cedricOB> reallly stable ?
[08:37:17] <pacopablo> it's served me well
[08:37:24] <pacopablo> haven't had any issues with it
[08:37:27] <cedricOB> do you frequently do power down
[08:37:34] <cedricOB> brutal
[08:37:56] <cedricOB> you've not use it on a production server .... ?
[08:37:59] <pacopablo> I frequently power down, but not without running shutdown
[08:38:06] <cedricOB> okay
[08:38:08] <pacopablo> use it on all of my production servers
[08:38:15] <cedricOB> good
[08:38:33] <pacopablo> though even when I have to cut power unexpectedly, it recovers well
[08:38:42] <cedricOB> I am about moving our data servers to Debian xfs |*bsd mirror
[08:39:09] <cedricOB> well, xfs seems very good
[08:40:23] <pacopablo> it's not the fastest (though defintely not the slowest either) but it's solid
[08:40:40] <pacopablo> and the recovery tools are fairly nice
[08:40:53] <cedricOB> yes we tried reiserfs for quickest acces, but now we need robustness
[08:41:07] <cedricOB> and reiserfs was not a good thing
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[09:14:23] <matt_good> cedricOB: did you get my msg earlier, it looks like my network's acting up again
[09:14:46] <cedricOB> matt_good : what msg ?
[09:14:49] <matt_good> <matt_good> cedricOB: here's one of the latest stories which links to some of the earlier posts: http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/xfs-corruption-2006-08-22-11-11
[09:15:13] <matt_good> some people on Planet Debian have been posting about why they stopped using XFS
[09:15:24] <matt_good> may be worth reading before you switch
[09:15:36] <cedricOB> thanks, I strongly read that !
[09:16:43] <cedricOB> damn !
[09:17:15] <cedricOB> the story is taht : we have lot of files (around 5 000 000 files / dir)
[09:17:33] <matt_good> wow
[09:17:35] <cedricOB> a kernel panic occured (because of smp ...)
[09:17:44] <matt_good> with Reiser?
[09:17:56] <cedricOB> reiserfs made around 8 hours to recover for only 2 errors
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[09:18:00] <cedricOB> yes
[09:18:24] <cedricOB> imagine : 8 hours data down (we had only cache up)
[09:18:35] <cedricOB> (5 000 000 webpage/day...)
[09:18:45] <matt_good> yeah, that sucks
[09:19:16] <cedricOB> yep
[09:19:33] <matt_good> I've been happy with Reiser for my personal machines, but I can't speak from experience on filesystems for that kind of load
[09:20:23] <cedricOB> tha why we are oriented to put xfs on a debian box AND a *bsd : mirroring those datas, then there is little chances (non murphy non)
[09:20:31] <matt_good> XFS may still be ok for you, since it seems like the issues generally stemmed from power loss on laptops or desktops, which is much easier to avoid in a production environement
[09:20:32] <cedricOB> that both crash at the same time
[09:20:45] <cedricOB> sure!
[09:21:09] <cedricOB> but power loss happen some times : (we had twice with redbus this year)
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[09:22:11] <cedricOB> for that, there is no real solution,except secondary servers outside
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[09:22:55] <cedricOB> interesting link, thanks matt
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[09:31:35] <pacopablo> hmm, fwiw, I haven't experienced those kinds of issues
[09:32:19] <pacopablo> I have experienced a couple files that got zero'd because of power failure, but never and serious issues
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[10:04:34] <entropy> why would a macro(plugin) randomly either work, or show Error: Failed to load processor ... No macro named ... ?
[10:05:22] <entropy> specifically: TracNav .. on trac 0.9.6
[10:09:49] <coderanger> entropy: Is it a plugin?
[10:13:31] <entropy> yes
[10:13:40] <coderanger> did you restart your server?
[10:14:05] <entropy> yes, several times
[10:14:19] <entropy> i've just switched logging on now, so maybe i'll get more info
[10:14:46] <entropy> it happens about 1 in 10 views of the site
[10:15:04] <coderanger> yeah, check you apache log for setuptools warnings too
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[10:16:27] <entropy> *sigh* ... it does not seem to happen when logging is on
[10:16:29] <entropy> !@#$
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[10:19:53] <entropy> i don't think i have setuptools installed
[10:20:38] <frankg> I have trac 0.9.6 working on dreamhost -- added the plugins: TracDbAuth and TracWebAdmin -- All works great except, TracWebAdmin->plugins takes 2 minutes to load
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[10:25:13] <frankg> Wondering what font that is in the trac logo
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[10:27:11] <cmlenz> frankg: you should be able to find out by looking in the SVG in the docs directory ;-)
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[10:27:44] <cmlenz> http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/trunk/doc/trac_logo.svg
[10:27:55] <frankg> looking...
[10:28:24] <cmlenz> "Myriad Pro SemiExt" apparently
[10:29:50] <frankg> how did you find that out?
[10:30:26] <frankg> ok - i see it
[10:33:44] <frankg> cmlenz, did you make that graphic?
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[10:33:52] <cmlenz> nope
[10:34:17] <cmlenz> all I can tell you it was produced in Inkscape on a Linux box
[10:34:35] <frankg> good to know
[10:34:36] <frankg> thx
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[10:47:09] <Mitja> hehe, nice this svg http://www3.shrani.si/o.php?tracsvgh860266.png
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[10:57:39] <coderanger> hmm, it would be nice if webadmin showed where it was loading each plugin from
[10:58:17] * coderanger patchity patchity
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[11:22:12] <matt_good> damn, cmlenz always quits just before I have something to ask him
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[11:22:51] <matt_good> he or jonas needs to fix the URLs in the channel description
[11:23:44] <coderanger> hmm?
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[11:29:46] <mmiller> Does anyone here use enscript for syntax highlighting?
[11:31:41] <maxb> matt_good: oh? both seem to work for me
[11:32:55] <mmiller> I have it enscript it my path but trac does not seem to be picking it up.
[11:33:09] <coderanger> mmiller: chroot/selinux?
[11:33:18] <mmiller> no selinux
[11:33:22] <mmiller> no chroot
[11:34:56] <mmiller> I see in my trac.ini under [mimeviewer] there is a referance to enscript_path=enscript
[11:35:06] <mmiller> enscript is in my local path under /usr/local/bin
[11:36:25] <matt_good> maxb: the "topic" is fine, but the description reported by ChanServ has the old URLs
[11:37:02] <maxb> Oh. I didn't know chanserv had a separate description.
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[12:01:51] <dev-zero> hi everyone
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[12:02:31] <dev-zero> I've a problem: after I transferred the trac-project-dir from one server to another, trac behaves strange
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[12:03:11] <dev-zero> strange means in my case: If I choose "wiki" from the list, it displays a small .png file instead of the page
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[12:11:15] <bballizlife> reading this explain how to install a macro : http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/MacroBazaar but when i unzip files of TOCMacro, there are various files (setup.py and others). How to install that macro please ?
[12:16:03] <coderanger> dev-zero: Is it publicly reachable?
[12:16:10] <dev-zero> coderanger: well, not really
[12:16:14] <dev-zero> coderanger: but I found it out
[12:16:32] <coderanger> bballizlife: Its not a macro, its a plugin
[12:16:38] <coderanger> bballizlife: Read the TracPlugins page
[12:16:43] <dev-zero> coderanger: I'm running Gentoo and I've installed some files (mainly pictures) in the htdocs-folder
[12:16:54] <dev-zero> coderanger: ... using a gentoo-script
[12:17:24] <dev-zero> coderanger: ... and I've configured apache to show trac in https://servername/
[12:17:56] <bballizlife> coderanger> ok i'll do that. That's a plugin ? Well, http://www.trac-hacks.org/ should move it to Plugins ...
[12:18:10] <coderanger> bballizlife: Its a plugin that provides a macro ;-)
[12:18:12] <dev-zero> coderanger: somehow they overlapped and whenever there was a picture with the same as the page I tried to load, there was either an error or the picture
[12:18:20] <coderanger> bballizlife: If you look its tagged as both
[12:18:52] <bballizlife> coderanger> you're right ;)
[12:19:31] <coderanger> bballizlife: I'm one of the devs who worked on it, so I should hope so ;-)
[12:19:41] <bballizlife> eheh
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[12:33:41] <coderanger> http://www.liquidx.net/pybugz/
[12:33:59] <coderanger> Maybe someone should rework the bugzilla importer to use that :)
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[13:01:17] <stretch> seemant: hey how's it going?
[13:02:49] <seemant> stretch: long long time no see -- how've you been?
[13:03:14] <stretch> seemant: crazy busy...doing project work...managing a business...trying to keep 'trac' of it all :)
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[13:03:32] <pygi> anyone willing to build trac discussionplugin for me?
[13:03:36] <pygi> egg file
[13:03:37] <seemant> stretch: so things going well in your business?
[13:04:06] <stretch> seemant: good...sales are increasing and demand for software/features keeps me busy
[13:04:42] <bballizlife> any idea why PageToPdfPlugin doesnot work ? (htmldoc installed, TracPageToPDF-0.2-py2.4.egg in plugins/ and pagetopdf.* = enabled in trac.ini)
[13:04:43] <stretch> seemant: I am really bangin my head on this one trac issue though.
[13:05:27] <stretch> seemant: intermittently a page will render as raw text...that looks like some python...followed by HTTP header stuff...followed finally by the html content
[13:05:58] <coderanger> pygi: Why can't you?
[13:06:11] <pygi> coderanger, I don't have, neither I can't install setuptools
[13:06:14] <coderanger> bballizlife: Do you have the needed commands installed?
[13:06:31] <coderanger> pygi: Well you can't use it even if someone else builds it
[13:06:44] <pygi> coderanger, ahm, really? :-/
[13:07:06] <coderanger> pygi: You might be able to hack something together, but iw would be very non-standard
[13:07:17] <coderanger> plugins use things like the setuptools package data system
[13:07:32] <coderanger> thats how templates and static content are included in the eggs
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[13:08:33] <pygi> coderanger, ok, thank you
[13:08:55] <coderanger> Why cant you install setuptools?
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[13:10:43] <pygi> coderanger, 'cause I don't own the server :)
[13:11:07] <coderanger> so install it in your homedir
[13:11:17] <stretch> seemant: have you ever seen this behaviour?
[13:11:30] <seemant> stretch: sounds icky
[13:11:37] <seemant> stretch: I confess, I've never seen it, myself
[13:11:37] <coderanger> stretch: Something similar used to happen from time to time on trac-hacks
[13:11:44] <coderanger> 0.10 seemed to fix it though
[13:11:57] <pygi> coderanger, hm, right
[13:12:05] <stretch> if I press the 'back' button and click the same link again...then all renders correctly
[13:13:56] <stretch> at the moment I'm still running 0.9.5...are you proposing that moving to 0.10 might help?
[13:14:02] <bballizlife> coderanger> what do you mean by "the needed commands installed" ?
[13:14:52] <coderanger> stretch: Yes, a lot of race conditions were cleaned up with the WSGI code
[13:14:57] <stretch> I have seen this for a long time...I've always considered it something to do with the trac database living on a different machine than the application...something about latency in query results
[13:15:36] <coderanger> stretch: We are working on cutting a release candidate in the next few days anyway ;-)
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[13:15:53] <stretch> coderanger: ya...that's 0.10...right?
[13:16:00] <coderanger> YEah
[13:16:33] <coderanger> bballizlife: http://www.htmldoc.org/
[13:16:38] <coderanger> You need that installed
[13:16:49] <bballizlife> yes, i have installed htmldoc
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