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August 25, 2006

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[00:13:29] <pacopablo> oi, anyone awake?
[00:15:16] <cedricOB> sure !
[00:15:18] <cedricOB> ;)
[00:18:37] <pacopablo> oooh, that was brutal
[00:18:42] <pacopablo> laptop battery just poped out
[00:18:46] <pacopablo> er, popped
[00:19:05] <pacopablo> who was asking me about XFS? was it you cedricOB ?
[00:19:28] <cedricOB> yes
[00:19:50] <pacopablo> well, my laptop is working still without an issue
[00:20:12] <pacopablo> updatedb was even running when power was so ruthlessly yanked from it
[00:21:02] <pacopablo> anyway, anyone looking for an open source project to work on?
[00:21:12] <pacopablo> backup related
[00:22:59] <cedricOB> okay
[00:23:23] <cedricOB> perhaps I will try to get time to work on some open source projects
[00:24:09] <cedricOB> do you know tunez ?
[00:25:08] <pacopablo> no
[00:25:23] <cedricOB> ah , I am searching the real url
[00:25:33] <cedricOB> this is a collaborative web radio
[00:25:47] <cedricOB> one server host data transmit to icecast
[00:26:08] <pacopablo> http://tunez.sourceforge.net/
[00:26:13] <cedricOB> web interface let people select music, and voting
[00:26:19] <pacopablo> that what you're referring to?
[00:26:25] <cedricOB> yes
[00:26:58] <cedricOB> it is old project, unmaintened really, but pathced
[00:27:03] <cedricOB> -c
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[00:27:47] <cedricOB> With a friend, we are about addming a jabber feature : data will come from any source
[00:28:23] <cedricOB> as you connect, server can contact 'you' to get your music list, search on it, and retrieve data to main server
[00:29:09] <cedricOB> this is an old source : many work, but interesting idea (tunez)
[00:29:38] <cedricOB> about you (I mean trac) I am just starting python
[00:30:17] <cedricOB> and the jabber/tunez project will be in python (for learn the language
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[00:53:03] <Mitja> Does anyone else get a "500 - Internal Server Error" when trying to cross-view changesets using the "View changes" button?
[00:58:56] <bballizlife> could you tell me what plugin is used here http://www.trac-hacks.org/ to get the green div with news inside ?
[01:01:19] <cedricOB> bballizlife fall in love, ooohh trac !
[01:02:20] <bballizlife> eheh ;) felt in love some month ago but become really crazy discovering plugins at the moment :)
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[01:11:30] <bballizlife> so someone knows which plugin it is ?
[01:16:07] <cedricOB> edit the oage
[01:16:10] <cedricOB> s/o/p
[01:16:46] <cedricOB> oh no, you can not
[01:18:05] <bballizlife> yep, that's why i ask here
[01:21:26] <cedricOB> http://www.trac-hacks.org/ticket/67
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[01:26:34] <cboos> cmlenz: hi, got two minutes for me?
[01:31:34] <cboos> I'd like to create some InterTrac links on Markup pointing to some source@rev#Line in Trac, and that won't work without the .compat=false flag set...
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[02:29:26] <cmlenz> cboos: ah, right, forgot about that... will do
[02:30:12] <cboos> ok thanks! in the meantime, I had to use plain URLs, bah... (in ticket 41, on Markup)
[02:40:45] <cmlenz> ah, that's a nice patch, thanks!
[02:50:14] <alect> evening
[02:51:20] <cmlenz> hi alect
[02:51:53] <alect> hey chris, how goes the markup world takeover?
[02:53:53] <cmlenz> heh
[03:02:45] <alect> check this out: http://tinyurl.com/mcg6j
[03:02:53] <alect> (no it's not porn)
[03:07:21] <cmlenz> whoops
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[04:46:34] <cboos> alect: the above is an error involving clearsilver... still using that? How lame!!!
[04:47:45] <alect> hahaha
[04:47:49] <alect> old sk00l
[04:48:01] <alect> god it will be good to be rid of it
[04:49:21] <cboos> yeah, I'm afraid I got infected by the Markup virus ;)
[04:49:46] <cboos> can't help but convert all the ugly clearsilver templates I see...
[04:51:43] <alect> i've noticed :)
[04:53:15] <cmlenz> how's this? http://pastie.caboo.se/10222 :-)
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[04:56:23] * alect has c++ flashbacks :)
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[04:56:59] <alect> sure is better than chaining method calls
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[05:00:46] <cboos> "right-shit" operator, you meant
[05:01:01] <cboos> (the docstring says "left-shift")
[05:09:01] <cmlenz> yeah
[05:13:41] <coderanger> bballizlife: TracBlog + NewsFlash
[05:14:34] <bballizlife> coderanger> ah ok. i tried to use NewsFlash but i don't understand how it works
[05:14:58] <coderanger> what do you mean?
[05:16:14] <bballizlife> i have installed NewsFlash
[05:16:25] <bballizlife> i see it is loaded in the logs
[05:16:32] <bballizlife> but then, what to do ? :)
[05:16:54] <cmlenz> cboos: instead of http://markup.edgewall.org/attachment/ticket/39/env_load_template-r3652.patch I think we should just keep the loader as an instance variable of the Chrome component
[05:17:31] <cmlenz> I'd rather remove the remaining web-related stuff from environment that adding new stuff
[05:17:41] <cboos> ok, makes sense
[05:18:13] <cboos> what about #39 itself?
[05:18:39] <lisppaste5> coderanger pasted "newsflash example" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/24726
[05:19:24] <bballizlife> ok, thanks
[05:19:51] <bballizlife> this would be nice to have that example on the NewsFlash page on trac-hacks
[05:24:58] <cedricOB> coderanger : you link diveintopython is very nice starting place !
[05:25:02] <cedricOB> +r
[05:25:05] <cmlenz> cboos: working on applying the patch, many thanks
[05:25:17] <cboos> cool!
[05:25:35] <coderanger> cedricOB: Indeed it is
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[05:50:04] <stretch> coderanger: how would you characterize (critical,major...etc.) that defect I found yesterday? (The one where a property assigned no value in the trac.ini generated a error page)
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[07:27:00] <coderanger> stretch: "normal"
[07:27:15] <coderanger> stretch: Its not so much a bug as a lack of good error message
[07:27:42] <coderanger> IntOption and BoolOption should probably catch that error and raise a better TracError
[07:29:23] <coderanger> " [section].option does not look like a (boolean|integer). Please check this"
[07:40:40] <stretch> ok...I logged it already. Ticket # 3623
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[09:07:42] <cboos> cmlenz ?
[09:08:44] <cboos> in the wiki/formatter.py, in _html_processor, you use stream.render('html'). Shouldn't we use 'xhtml' ?
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[09:10:39] <cboos> hm, even with 'xhtml' I still get <img/> instead of <img /> ...
[09:13:56] <cboos> Ah stupid me, it's the image macro... not the html macro ...
[09:15:56] <cboos> anyway rather use 'xhtml' instead of 'html'...
[09:20:41] <cmlenz> yeah, I think when I wrote that there was no 'xhtml' mode
[09:21:34] <cboos> ... just fixed the image macro stuff (actually all the stuff coming from the builder)
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[09:59:58] <coderanger> cmlenz, cboos: What would you guys say about moving all the tickets for 0.10 (except 3331) to 0.10.1?
[10:04:34] <cboos> why not, haven't checked for a while, but there's no major stuff left, is there?
[10:05:07] <cboos> of course, after the beta, we might get a flurry of major/critical bugs that would have to be scheduled for 0.10... and will delay it for 1 more year ;)
[10:05:43] <coderanger> Gotta start somewhere
[10:06:21] <coderanger> The only high priority ones are the mimeview API, and one that I'm pretty sure is user error
[10:06:50] <cboos> ok, the mimeview stuff is for 0.10.1 or 0.11, what's the other one?
[10:07:00] <coderanger> 3306
[10:07:22] <coderanger> Some kind of error building siteconfig.py on windows
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[10:07:48] <coderanger> I think he tried running directly off a checkout at some point
[10:08:08] <coderanger> cboos: You closed it once before actually ;-)
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[10:10:25] <cboos> I see.. however the last comment http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3306#comment:11 seems worthwhile
[10:11:56] <coderanger> Ahh, should be simple to fix :)
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[10:15:41] <Broofa> Hey folks, does anyone here know how to "unlock" a sqlite database? I'm getting the (now infamous?) "OperationalError: database is locked" error... :-(
[10:15:56] <coderanger> Try opening it from the command line
[10:16:03] <coderanger> If that fails, look for a lockfile
[10:16:12] <Broofa> That doesn't fail. It succeeds.
[10:16:20] <Broofa> Where are sqlite lock files kept?
[10:16:44] <coderanger> same place as the db file
[10:17:07] <coderanger> but if you can open the db its probably not wedged
[10:17:33] <Broofa> coderanger: yeah, the db opens fine, and I'm not seeing anything that looks like a lock file in the db directory.
[10:18:16] <Broofa> This just started happening this a.m. - and I hadn't made any changes whatsoever to the config or environment. So pretty spontaneous. :-(
[10:18:27] <coderanger> what frontend?
[10:19:15] <Broofa> You mean webserver? Using Apache. (uh gimme a sec' to find the version)
[10:19:32] <coderanger> @frontend
[10:19:32] <evil_twin> coderanger: "frontend" is CGI, FastCGI, mod_python, or tracd
[10:19:43] <Broofa> Ah, sorry. FastCGI
[10:20:06] <Broofa> (... which is a whole other bag of worms, btw! Don't get me started ;-) )
[10:20:34] <coderanger> are you spawning multiple fcgi servers?
[10:21:10] <Broofa> It's entirely possible - unfortunately my webhost controls the fastcgi config.
[10:21:32] <Broofa> that said, I've been seeing some ongoing performance issues where lots of fastcgi processes appear to be getting spawned
[10:21:45] <Broofa> ... even when idle ones are available. So... possibly relevent?
[10:22:04] <pacopablo> morning
[10:22:23] <coderanger> yeah, trac currently needs to hold the write lock for a decent percentage of the request
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[10:23:06] <pacopablo> just use postgresql :)
[10:23:18] <Broofa> Any suggestions for how to un-hork things? Would killing all fastcgi processes help?
[10:23:20] <coderanger> theres that too
[10:24:13] <coderanger> its worth a shot
[10:24:24] <Broofa> It just seems wierd that this would start all of a sudden - and it's now happening 100% of the time. I can't make changes to any wiki page. Ever.
[10:24:59] <Broofa> It's not like I'm occasionally bumping into race conditions or anything. And this is on a server that has very light load - only 2-5 users total... probably 1-2 requests/minute if that.
[10:25:22] <pacopablo> Broofa: who is your webhost?
[10:25:25] <Broofa> Dreamhost
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[10:30:38] <boorad> Broofa: I'm having the same issues with FastCGI - and I'm using Postgres
[10:31:13] <Broofa> boorad: are you having the DB lock issues, or just the fastCGI performance problems?
[10:31:21] <boorad> just FastCGI
[10:31:42] <Broofa> Yeah, I think my next step is to try switching to mod_python.
[10:31:53] <boorad> switching from psycopg2 to PyPgSQL took care of the locking (that is, unless it just moved the issue to a less transparent place, inside FastCGI process)
[10:32:04] <Broofa> Speaking of which, does anyone here have info on how hard/easy it is to switch from fastCGI to mod_python?
[10:32:18] <boorad> I was on mod_python, but switched b/c of seemingly low maintenance of mod_python
[10:32:38] <boorad> and some tips from experienced Python web guys saying evils of mod_python exist
[10:32:47] <boorad> but I too may switch back
[10:33:15] <Broofa> Were you having any actual problems with it though? Also, what version of Trac are you running?
[10:34:17] <boorad> I was running into problems, yes - 0.10
[10:34:40] <boorad> I have a site where I was trying to get cute on a lot of things, to make it multi-project aware, and hit some walls with mod_python
[10:34:42] <Broofa> Ah... I'm on 0.9.*. I wonder if that might be more stable on mod_python...???
[10:34:52] <boorad> I kind of forget what the issues were.
[10:35:24] <boorad> I needed 0.10 for all the plugins that I wrote
[10:35:51] <boorad> now I need multiple restarts per day b/c of FastCGI
[10:35:54] <Broofa> I'm tempted to try .10, but it's Dreamhost is discouraging it's use - I guess waiting for the official release.
[10:36:19] <matt_good> Dreamhost discourages 0.10?
[10:36:32] <matt_good> where/why?
[10:36:47] <Miek> "I guess waiting for the official release."
[10:36:47] <boorad> I helped someone get 0.10 up on Dreamhost a while back
[10:36:58] <boorad> santosj, iirc
[10:37:12] <Broofa> http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Trac
[10:37:20] <Broofa> "About to be released but still considered Alpha and unstable!"
[10:38:09] <matt_good> Broofa: well, we consider it to be stable
[10:38:24] <Broofa> Ah, that's good to know.
[10:38:34] <coderanger> Its moot because its being released, right ;-) ;-) ;-)
[10:38:44] <Broofa> :-D
[10:38:47] <matt_good> yeah, the release is scheduled for Monday
[10:39:03] <pacopablo> boorad: did you update your _fcgi.py file?
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[10:39:16] <coderanger> Just sent an email asking if people agreed with cutting an official beta today or tomorrow
[10:39:22] <boorad> pacopablo: not sure - you mean with my updates?
[10:40:00] <pacopablo> boorad: yesterday there were a few people talking about fastcgi issues and that they were solved by using an updated _fcgi.py file from Alan Saddi
[10:40:09] <boorad> hmmm, I'm interested
[10:40:09] <pacopablo> matt_good: did you commit that?
[10:40:17] <Broofa> pacopablo: Oh really? Where can I get more info?
[10:40:31] <pacopablo> hold on
[10:40:38] <boorad> nowwwww!!!!!!!
[10:40:40] <boorad> ;)
[10:40:54] <matt_good> pacopablo: no, I was hoping the SVN repo would come back online so I could get the latest revision
[10:40:59] <pacopablo> links take time my little one :)
[10:41:10] <boorad> heh
[10:41:53] <matt_good> I'll try emailing Allan about it
[10:42:52] <Broofa> Grr... just restarted fcgi, and still getting "database is locked" error
[10:42:53] <pacopablo> https://pacopablo.com/irclogs/2006/08/24#T14:25:34
[10:43:07] <pacopablo> https://pacopablo.com/irclogs/2006/08/24#T14:44:40
[10:43:12] <pacopablo> and http://paste.lisp.org/display/24713
[10:43:24] <pacopablo> woot! the irc log came in handy :)
[10:44:14] <Broofa> pacopablo: will that work with 0.9.6 installation?
[10:44:32] <boorad> I was just looking through my logs too, but this is nicer
[10:44:36] <boorad> thx a bunch!
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[10:45:56] <pacopablo> Broofa: don't know, haven't tried.
[10:46:10] <pacopablo> actually, I don't think so, since 0.9.6 isn't WSGi
[10:51:23] <matt_good> yeah, that module was introduced in 0.9 due to the license switch (the old fcgi implementation wasn't BSD)
[10:51:39] <matt_good> 0.9 doesn't use the WSGI wrapper to it, but it's the same module
[10:54:33] <boorad> pacopablo: any hints as to what changed? I see some things about result.close in the diff from trunk/
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[10:55:11] <Broofa> Well... I have at least two "significant" issues I need to address with my Trac installation. 1. FastCGI performance is pretty poor and 2. I'm getting "database is locked" errors in sqlite.
[10:55:37] <Broofa> I'm getting close to wits end as to how to fix these... and thinking maybe it's time to just do an overhaul of my installation...
[10:55:44] <Broofa> Trac 0.10 instead of 0.9.6
[10:55:50] <Broofa> MySQL instead of sqlite
[10:56:00] <Broofa> mod_python instead of fastcgi(???)
[10:56:24] <Broofa> ... Any recommendations from people as to the "preferred" environment?
[10:56:35] <Broofa> I care more about reliability than whizzy new features, btw.
[10:56:46] <pacopablo> boorad: none at all, I don't use fastcgi personally, I was just in here listening to other talk about it :)
[10:57:17] <pacopablo> Broofa: 0.10, mod_python + PostgreSQL :)
[10:57:21] <boorad> well, thx for the recall - I'm at half-mast just watching some traffic not affect the memory usage of my two FastCGI processes
[10:57:28] <boorad> tmi?
[10:57:39] <tharvey> how do I make a wiki link to a file with spaces in it: ie: 'file://fileserver/data/file name' (putting quotes or double quotes around it doesn't help)
[10:58:09] <tharvey> i need to tell the wiki processor to url-escape it somehow
[10:58:20] <matt_good> Broofa: the two may be related; if the server is running slowly it may be holding locks on the DB for longer periods
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[11:00:02] <matt_good> Broofa: I've had FastCGI be pretty reliable on my own server
[11:00:11] <De_Mon> tharvey you can always url-escape it before putting it in the wiki
[11:00:17] <matt_good> I haven't been running Trac on Dreamhost long though, so I don't know about there
[11:00:23] <boorad> matt_good: I wouldn't mind this _fcgi.py sneaking into trunk/ before 0.10 next week
[11:00:41] <boorad> this makes a major difference to my site that gets a fair amount of traffic
[11:00:52] <boorad> (at least for the 10 min. it's been in place so far)
[11:01:00] <matt_good> boorad: I have the code, but I'm trying to get the revision number for it
[11:01:09] <Broofa> matt_good: ... but you are running on Dreamhost servers? Which version of trac?
[11:01:11] <boorad> b/c he's rebuilding his site?
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[11:01:31] <matt_good> boorad: yeah, I've email Allan, so hopefully he'll get back shortly
[11:01:56] <matt_good> Broofa: I installed 0.10 there on Wed.
[11:02:17] <matt_good> Broofa: does Dreamhost have mod_python?
[11:02:25] <tharvey> De_Mon, ya, thats what I'm doing, but you would think that trac wiki would have a solution for this
[11:02:32] <Broofa> matt_good: lemme see. 1 sec.
[11:03:29] <matt_good> Broofa: well, even if they do it'd be a PITA, since you would be unable to restart Trac yourself
[11:03:38] <De_Mon> tharvey not really, how does it know that space is part of the url?
[11:03:45] <coderanger> matt_good: mod_python on a shared host is hard
[11:03:54] <matt_good> at least with FastCGI you're the owner of the spawned processes, so you can kill them and they'll get re-started
[11:04:20] <Broofa> Yeah, that's what I've been doing, but it's still a PITA... takes 2-5 minutes for them to restart. :-P
[11:04:31] <matt_good> really?
[11:04:37] <Broofa> Yup.
[11:04:41] <matt_good> it seems to bounce back pretty quickly for me
[11:04:50] <De_Mon> same here
[11:05:23] <Broofa> Wow... if I kill off all the trac.fcgi processes, it takes about 5min before I'm able to fetch a Trac page again.
[11:06:00] <Broofa> I wonder... might this be a 0.9.6-specific behavior?
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[11:06:27] <Broofa> So... if how hard is it to upgrade a 0.9.6 installation to 0.10?
[11:06:34] <tharvey> De_Mon, because I put quotes around the whole thing... there's probably a macro that I should be using for a link that knows to urlescape quoted strings or something
[11:06:39] <Broofa> Any docs on how to do that?
[11:07:15] <Broofa> tharvey: Can you use %20 instead of space char?
[11:08:23] <tharvey> Broofa, yes, that works, its just not intuitive to a user who doesn't understand url's html etc
[11:08:50] <boorad> matt_good, Broofa, pacopablo: memory usage is growing, but slower than usual. I'll report back in a day or two.
[11:08:51] <Broofa> Well, the entire WIKI syntax is unintuitive, so this is nothing new! ;-)
[11:10:16] <De_Mon> tharvey just tell them not to put spaces in file names :P
[11:10:36] <De_Mon> tharvey that'd be easier than getting them to use a macro
[11:10:41] <tharvey> De_Mon, heh... you don't know how many times I try to explain that to people...
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[11:11:03] <tharvey> De_Mon, damn windows/mac users want to put spaces everywhere
[11:13:09] <matt_good> tharvey: well, we've got an open bug from a Mac user about a problem with a "/" in the file name
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[11:16:37] <tharvey> maybe I'll write a simple macro called 'link' or something that outputs a url-encoded href with non-url encoded text
[11:17:32] <tharvey> is there any work being done on providing an api for wiki text processing, for example adding buttons to the trac-wiki buttonbar?
[11:19:29] <boorad> Broofa: using mod_fastcgi or mod_fcgid? I just heard that mod_fcgid might be a bit more friendly (not that you could change what Dreamhost uses)
[11:19:39] <matt_good> tharvey: I don't think so, but the Markup templates used in 0.11 will be much easier to extend
[11:19:45] <Broofa> boorad: mod_fastcgi I believe
[11:20:13] <boorad> on PROD server, me too. But I may switch to see if max_life setting will help me recycle old corrupt processes better.
[11:20:37] <matt_good> boorad: I experimented with mod_fcgid, but didn't get it working
[11:20:58] <boorad> matt_good: good to know - I'll give it a shot on my local first
[11:21:11] <matt_good> IIRC mod_fcgid doesn't auto-spawn processes like mod_fastcgi can
[11:23:21] <matt_good> boorad: in 0.10 you can also try SCGI with "tracd --protocol=scgi"
[11:23:38] <boorad> what revision?
[11:23:59] <matt_good> it's probably been there a couple months
[11:24:23] <boorad> I last sync'd with trunk at 3478 (6/25/06)
[11:24:40] <matt_good> it requires "flup" which would be on Allan Saddi's currently unavailable SVN
[11:24:40] <tharvey> I'm thinking an api that would allow a plugin to register a button on the button-bar providing a graphic and a callback function that is used to process selected text when that button is clicked
[11:33:41] <boorad> matt_good: which would you recommend for reasonable traffic? is tracd pretty robust with scgi?
[11:33:52] <boorad> reasonable == seemingly growing
[11:37:37] <matt_good> I haven't used SCGI besides some testing while I was adding it in
[11:37:51] <matt_good> I know some people who swear by it though
[11:37:58] <matt_good> (namely Titus Brown)
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[11:39:22] <matt_good> I'm not sure if he's using it with tracd or not, since he patched Trac to use it since he didn't like the other options
[11:39:47] <matt_good> (before tracd supported it)
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[12:32:42] <hyperlink> hi :)
[12:33:10] <hyperlink> When you create a new Project Environment, doing trac-admin /path/top/projectenv is this a new web directory or what?
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[12:35:09] <xjjk> hyperlink: no, it isn't
[12:38:45] <hyperlink> what is it
[12:38:51] <hyperlink> does it just store all the project fiels there?
[12:38:54] <hyperlink> liek sql lite stuff?
[12:41:53] <Miek> doing the above command would be for administrating an existing project
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[12:42:08] <hyperlink> not a new?
[12:42:25] <hyperlink> err I ahve to do initenv after
[12:42:26] <hyperlink> but
[12:42:32] <hyperlink> that stores all my project files
[12:42:33] <pacopablo> hyperlink: it is a new directory
[12:42:39] <hyperlink> where is a good place to keep them?
[12:42:52] <pacopablo> but said directory need not, and infact should not, be we accessible
[12:43:23] <Miek> mine's at /home/mike/trac :p
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[13:07:34] <pfn> eh? does tracwiki not support ordered lists? (ol)
[13:09:15] <cmlenz> 1.
[13:09:16] <cmlenz> 2.
[13:09:19] <cmlenz> it does
[13:09:46] <cmlenz> (need a space before the numbers, though)
[13:10:00] <pfn> oh... it's not documented in WikiFormatting
[13:10:31] <cmlenz> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiFormatting#Lists
[13:10:38] <cmlenz> I see