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August 26, 2006

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[00:26:35] <sanmarcos> trac trac tracola
[00:26:43] <sanmarcos> zeke the friendly seabilly
[00:27:01] <sanmarcos> is man of mystery.. where he is from is unknown, but maybe he is a DHARMA employee!
[00:27:06] <sanmarcos> zeke the friendly..
[00:33:33] <alect> mmmmmmmmmmmmmkay
[00:33:49] * gakman blinks
[00:34:06] <alect> gak
[00:34:07] <alect> HI
[00:34:31] <gakman> HI
[00:34:32] <gakman> alect
[01:01:51] <sanmarcos> itsss okaayyy!!
[01:02:05] <sanmarcos> like the great argentine comedy "Beto Tony y su Muneco"
[01:03:56] <alect> right, that's cleared that up
[01:04:41] <sanmarcos> indeed
[01:05:53] <sanmarcos> alect: this is what I was referring to http://youtube.com/watch?v=jQbUuB4Lsq4
[01:06:05] <sanmarcos> shame trac does not have a slogan
[01:08:22] <sanmarcos> alect: ohh those were good years
[01:08:40] <alect> heh
[01:09:44] <pacopablo> good morning all
[01:10:53] <alect> hey paco
[01:11:16] <sanmarcos> pacopablo hahah what a funny nic
[01:11:18] <sanmarcos> nick
[01:12:26] <pacopablo> por que es tan chistoso?
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[01:13:59] <sanmarcos> pablo no da gracia. Pero paco si
[01:14:04] <sanmarcos> osea parece el nombre de un perfume
[01:14:10] <pacopablo> lol
[01:19:00] <pacopablo> pues soy un gringo loco, y por eso lo escoji
[01:20:17] <sanmarcos> no lo dudo hombre, no lo dudo
[01:20:35] <pacopablo> de donde eres?
[01:20:39] <sanmarcos> la droga hace mal..
[01:20:43] <pacopablo> lol
[01:20:48] <pacopablo> sin drogas! :)
[01:20:56] <pacopablo> pura locura
[01:21:04] <sanmarcos> me imagino
[01:21:19] <sanmarcos> no puedes estar un minuto sin drogas.. te vuelves loco
[01:21:29] <sanmarcos> lo se, estuve ahi hermano
[01:21:37] <pacopablo> roflol
[01:24:03] <sanmarcos> viste el video de Beto Tony?
[01:25:59] <pacopablo> NO
[01:26:03] <pacopablo> oops
[01:26:04] <pacopablo> no
[01:32:52] <pacopablo> so, anyone itching to work on an open source project?
[01:33:32] <sanmarcos> right you know the thing is that
[01:33:38] <sanmarcos> finding ideas is like fishing for cows in the ocean
[01:36:20] <pacopablo> hehe, I've got the ideas
[01:36:42] <pacopablo> that's not the problem, I jsut don't have the time to translate the ideas into code
[01:37:13] <alect> will your idea make me rich?
[01:37:30] <pacopablo> you're already rich, you work for google :)
[01:37:42] <pacopablo> don't be evil and all that :)
[01:37:57] <alect> bah!
[01:38:09] <alect> it's all about the ca$h baby
[01:38:14] <pacopablo> hehe
[01:38:41] <pacopablo> well, if it's any consolation, I hope that my idea will make lots of money ;)
[01:39:03] <pacopablo> though since it's open source, I'm not quite sure how much and in what manner
[01:40:41] <sanmarcos> alect: are you happy with your life?
[01:41:04] <sanmarcos> I mean money is great.. but in the end, you worked all your life for material posessions (which are the shit), and there is nothing
[01:41:06] <alect> sure :)
[01:41:07] <sanmarcos> the key is finding a balance
[01:41:12] <sanmarcos> while making shitloads of money
[01:41:15] <pacopablo> lol
[01:41:28] <sanmarcos> and saying fuck you to all the people who have screwed you, mocked you, etc
[01:41:30] <alect> i was joking with paco. fear not :)
[01:41:39] <sanmarcos> really?
[01:41:47] <sanmarcos> well that is how I think, maybe I need help them
[01:41:50] <pacopablo> I like your attitude sanmarcos :)
[01:42:15] <alect> money is secondary to enjoying life
[01:42:19] <pacopablo> don't let alect fool you though, he's a greedy aussie bastard :)
[01:42:28] <alect> it's true
[01:42:31] <alect> we're all criminals!
[01:42:41] <sanmarcos> err. Animals
[01:42:45] <pacopablo> true dat
[01:42:49] <sanmarcos> we are mammals after all
[01:43:01] <alect> mmmmmmkay
[01:43:01] <pacopablo> nah, aussies are criminals
[01:43:13] <sanmarcos> wasnt it a colony of convicts?
[01:43:17] <sanmarcos> I heard it has a high rape rate
[01:43:21] <pacopablo> that's why the red coats put them there
[01:43:31] <sanmarcos> the british?
[01:43:39] <alect> heh
[01:43:44] <pacopablo> yup :)
[01:44:16] <sanmarcos> yes I remember the british when I fought them in the Falklands
[01:44:28] <sanmarcos> they were.... .... british
[01:44:38] <pacopablo> hehe
[01:44:43] <sanmarcos> alect: how much english do you make?
[01:44:46] <sanmarcos> err money
[01:44:50] <pacopablo> lol
[01:45:02] <alect> usa has the highest incidence of rape
[01:45:03] <sanmarcos> si.. son las drogas viste paco
[01:45:13] <sanmarcos> alect: according to wikipedia?
[01:45:28] <alect> nah some random site i found
[01:45:30] <alect> it wouldn't lie to me
[01:45:34] <sanmarcos> of course not
[01:45:39] <sanmarcos> Tv does not lie also
[01:45:39] <pacopablo> sanmarcos: argentine?
[01:45:49] <sanmarcos> pacopablo: eh no
[01:45:55] <alect> money...i am on pretty good money...probably upper-mid range for my role
[01:46:00] <sanmarcos> pacopablo: ah yes
[01:46:10] <sanmarcos> alect: is it expensive in Aussiland?
[01:46:25] <alect> yeah pretty expensive in sydney
[01:46:29] <alect> high income tax too
[01:46:38] * pacopablo curses taxes
[01:46:42] <alect> it was one of the highest in the world
[01:46:57] <pacopablo> taxes == anal rape
[01:46:59] <alect> 48% for the highest bracket
[01:47:06] <alect> euw
[01:47:07] <sanmarcos> do you get good services?
[01:47:15] <alect> yeah, standard of living is very good
[01:47:20] <pacopablo> so I think australia DOES have the highest rape rate :)
[01:47:23] <alect> well, except for our train system
[01:47:28] <alect> which sucks
[01:47:31] <alect> haha shaddap paco
[01:47:31] <sanmarcos> that is because of the british
[01:47:32] <alect> :P
[01:47:36] <sanmarcos> they design crap train
[01:47:45] <sanmarcos> in argentina its totally ghetto
[01:47:51] <sanmarcos> you are lucky to make it out alive
[01:47:51] <pacopablo> eh, it can't be worse than portland's train system
[01:47:55] <alect> their train system is much better than ours :(
[01:48:14] <pacopablo> well, portland's might not be so ghetto, but it's nigh useless
[01:48:19] <alect> heh
[01:48:21] <sanmarcos> they build walls around the rails.. I mean the poor steal from the poor, they cant even steal from the rich anymore.. they live in private neibourhoods
[01:48:25] <sanmarcos> what is this world coming to!
[01:48:36] <sanmarcos> google does not support standards on their homepage
[01:48:37] <pacopablo> the end
[01:48:40] <alect> mmmm segregation
[01:48:42] <sanmarcos> yes! brother
[01:48:47] <sanmarcos> 2010/2012
[01:49:09] <sanmarcos> the end of times...
[01:49:39] <pacopablo> I usually define it as: while 1: end_of_world += 1
[01:49:43] <sanmarcos> but australia is safe, so is argentina, being so south.. maybe we will escape from the nuclear winter
[01:50:08] <alect> too much effort to nuke us i hope
[01:50:10] <sanmarcos> pacopablo: do you pay taxes?
[01:50:38] <pacopablo> sanmarcos: I wish I didn't
[01:50:58] <sanmarcos> there is so many things I wish I had, I wish I could do
[01:51:01] <sanmarcos> but that is life
[01:51:04] <alect> stupid taxes
[01:51:11] <sanmarcos> I wish Ubuntu would update their trac package..
[01:51:17] <sanmarcos> I wish I had something to live for
[01:51:30] <pacopablo> well, sorry, can't help you on either score :)
[01:51:54] <sanmarcos> do you live in a routine?
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[01:52:18] <sanmarcos> i mean think of those people stuck in weekly routines, heading for nowhere
[01:52:19] <pacopablo> depends on your definition of routine
[01:52:22] <sanmarcos> whats in it for them?
[01:52:30] <sanmarcos> i.e working to pay the bills
[01:52:37] <sanmarcos> working to "survive", not to "live"
[01:52:46] <pacopablo> currently, yes.
[01:52:55] <pacopablo> trying to break the cycle
[01:53:11] <sanmarcos> its terrible man..
[01:53:16] <pacopablo> however, I've decided against selling my penis enlargement pills
[01:53:29] <pacopablo> so I'm stuck finding another way
[01:53:29] <alect> hahahah
[01:53:30] <sanmarcos> are you satisfied with your penis size?
[01:53:47] <alect> easy boys, this ain't #viagra
[01:53:53] <sanmarcos> I mean, just think, if you could evade taxes.. how much a difference it would make
[01:53:58] <sanmarcos> I would have more time to work on Trac
[01:54:12] <pacopablo> well, lets just say that offers to make it such that I can use it as a billiard que aren't very enticing
[01:54:35] <pacopablo> besides, it's not how big it is, it's how you use it that counts :)
[01:54:38] <sanmarcos> its like you get home, and then what
[01:54:46] <alect> hehe
[01:55:05] <sanmarcos> light a cigar, with the lights dim.. and its like....
[01:55:12] <alect> if you could evade taxes, presumably others could too, then we'd be totally fucked
[01:55:22] <sanmarcos> you have to have style, you know, like Mel Gibson, something on those lines
[01:55:25] <pacopablo> alect: anyone can evade taxes
[01:55:42] <pacopablo> the question is for how long before they are held accountable :)
[01:55:44] <alect> well yeah, but the implication was complete evasion
[01:55:49] <alect> heh
[01:56:16] <pacopablo> alect: what does google use for backup?
[01:56:25] <sanmarcos> and my girlfriend. I mean I loved her.. but I had to kill her
[01:56:26] <pacopablo> or don't htey, cus it's probably all onw huge cluster
[01:56:36] <sanmarcos> I wonder what their bandwith bill is
[01:56:36] <alect> netbackup
[01:56:43] <pacopablo> hmm, maybe I should take my typing drugs
[01:56:52] <alect> internal systems only
[01:57:12] <pacopablo> you mean veritas crap?
[01:57:21] <alect> exactly
[01:58:05] <pacopablo> I'll admit that I haven't used net backup and have only experienced the horror of backupexec
[01:58:12] <pacopablo> is the interface for netbackup as bad?
[01:59:26] <alect> i have the inverse experience, never having used backupexec
[02:00:15] <pacopablo> don't, if at all possible
[02:00:56] <alect> heh
[02:01:37] <pacopablo> well, time for me to crash
[02:01:41] * alect waves
[02:01:58] <pacopablo> if anyone wants to work on a backup system, drop me a line :)
[02:02:03] <pacopablo> night all
[02:05:20] <alect> you're dreamin paco :P
[02:05:23] <alect> litereally
[02:13:06] <bballizlife> pacopablo> have you tried rdiff-backup ?
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[02:18:25] <sanmarcos> pink floyd..
[02:18:27] <sanmarcos> legendaries I tell you
[02:18:39] <sanmarcos> shine on crazy diamonds
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[08:09:10] <akempgen> can someone look at this please? http://project.colloquy.info/timeline that is a bug, right? not just regular spam...
[08:13:56] <akempgen> do you want more info or are you asleep? :)
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[08:25:54] <jborg> akempgen, it looks like "normal spam"
[08:26:06] <jborg> except a bit more spam in the reporter field
[08:26:10] <akempgen> jborg: but its so very long, isnt there a char limit?
[08:26:15] <jborg> Are you using http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SpamFilter
[08:26:16] <jborg> ?
[08:26:29] <akempgen> dont know, not the admin
[08:26:44] <jborg> ok
[08:26:49] <akempgen> imajes: are we? :)
[08:26:52] <jborg> no, there's no max length
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[08:54:36] <akempgen> jborg: ok thanks
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[13:13:54] <sanmarcos> wow, people spam trac now?
[13:13:58] <sanmarcos> what has this world come to!
[13:17:26] <coderanger> They have been for a shile
[13:17:30] <coderanger> er, while
[13:19:34] <sanmarcos> shine you crazy trac diamond, coderanger
[13:19:53] <sanmarcos> trac tracola!
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[15:56:32] <The_Tick> man, these trac spammers are getting sneaky
[16:01:35] <Gruf> in what way?
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[16:03:07] <The_Tick> I just deleted some that started with:
[16:03:13] <The_Tick> #!html
[16:03:14] <The_Tick> <div style="overflow:auto; height: 1px;">
[16:03:32] <The_Tick> and ended the div at the end of the comment
[16:04:33] <The_Tick> Gruf: it was rather.. funny
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[16:09:03] <coderanger> The_Tick: Alec has a badcontent filter for that on trac-hacks
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[16:16:30] <The_Tick> coderanger: thanks
[16:17:35] <converter> Spoonie!
[16:17:58] <converter> sorry, just had a Tick flashback
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[17:41:56] <coderanger> alect: Ping
[17:56:38] <Riccc> Hia , I downloaded TracNav.py , saved in my wiki-macros folder, restarted my apache2 web server , and got this when reading a page with [[TracNav]] inside, 'No macro named [[TracNav]] found' , did I miss something ?
[17:57:12] <misc> no
[17:57:24] <misc> was the name of the file correct ?
[17:57:24] <coderanger> Riccc: Open the file
[17:57:34] <coderanger> Riccc: Make sure it is python code
[17:58:14] <Riccc> Yeah coderanger , it seems it is
[17:58:25] <coderanger> Its not HTML?
[17:58:28] <Riccc> nope
[17:58:39] <coderanger> check the log
[17:58:41] <Riccc> I wgetred the OriginalVersion link
[17:58:46] <coderanger> @logging
[17:58:46] <evil_twin> coderanger: "logging" is http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracLogging <-- Enable debug logging to file, ensure your environments log/ directory is writeable by your web server user, check for errors.
[17:58:59] <misc> oh yes; how many time i downloaded the html page of python code instead of the code itself :)
[17:59:58] <Riccc> yes it's ok for that coderanger, checking log
[18:00:25] <coderanger> misc: It took me a while to figure that one out when I first started using Trac
[18:01:14] <Riccc> coderanger: in log file I see webadmin modules loaded, IMage macro also , but nothing about TracNav
[18:01:31] <misc> is the file readable by the user running trac ?
[18:01:55] <Riccc> checking again (thanks for your help).
[18:02:10] <Riccc> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9317 2005-11-26 14:25 TracNav.3.2.py
[18:02:10] <Riccc> -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 11822 2006-08-27 02:52 TracNav.3.2.pyc
[18:02:16] <Riccc> ^^ it seems
[18:02:27] <coderanger> Ahh, ditch the 3.2
[18:02:38] <coderanger> Or call it as [[TracNav.3.2]]
[18:02:46] <Riccc> oh
[18:02:48] <Riccc> :p
[18:03:03] <misc> h�h : 02:55:08| misc> was the name of the file correct ?
[18:03:21] <misc> ( ok, i was not helpful at all without a definition of "correct" )
[18:03:56] <Riccc> Thanks both , it's working
[18:04:06] <coderanger> Why are you using the plugin version?
[18:04:10] <Riccc> because
[18:04:15] <Riccc> I 'm a noob
[18:04:22] <Riccc> and using the python 2.3
[18:04:25] <coderanger> Use plugins ;-)
[18:04:28] <coderanger> They are better
[18:04:31] <Riccc> and having also the 2.4 version
[18:04:46] <Riccc> I didnt find an egg compatible with my python version , and I dont know how to do :p
[18:04:57] <coderanger> python setup.py bdist_egg
[18:05:05] <coderanger> the TracPlugins page goes over it all
[18:05:32] <Riccc> checking right now that... I dont know a single word of python... very obscure for me
[18:06:01] <coderanger> No python involved
[18:15:18] <Riccc> coderanger: seems to have worked , made the egg, installed it with webamin, it appears in plugins, I restarted apache web server but nothing appears on wiki page (I though you dont have to add a [[TracNav]] tag ?) ? Can the problem be in relation with the fact I have both python2.3 and python 2.4 installed ?
[18:15:40] <coderanger> You do need to add the macro call
[18:16:00] <coderanger> The plugin just provides the macro instead of Trac having to look on disk for it
[18:16:13] <Riccc> ok, so something else is wrong.. perhaps python version collision ?
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[18:29:27] <Riccc> 03:26:26 Trac[__init__] DEBUG: Loading plugin TracNav from /home/trac/devteam/plugins/TracNav-3.92pre6-py2.3.egg
[18:29:32] <Riccc> seems to be loaded tho...
[18:32:34] <coderanger> And you are sure that Trac is running under 2.3?
[19:13:21] <hax> so i finally got my svn install done and working great
[19:13:24] <hax> i think its time for trac :)
[19:15:06] <coderanger> heh
[19:27:39] <hax> should i use the debian package?
[19:32:31] <coderanger> I would install from subversion
[19:33:24] <hax> yeah, i guess i should
[19:36:16] <hax> coderanger: any reason to not use 0.9.6?
[19:36:33] <coderanger> 0.10b1 is being released on Monday
[19:37:01] <hax> coderanger: how hard is it to upgrade if i use svn?
[19:37:13] <hax> that is, if i use trunk
[19:37:15] <coderanger> Not very, but I would save yourself the 5 minutes
[19:37:24] <hax> ?
[19:37:36] <hax> coderanger: i mean if i just always use trunk
[19:37:36] <coderanger> you mean from trunk->0.10b1?
[19:37:54] <coderanger> svn up && python setup.py install
[19:37:56] <hax> no, like if i use trunk, and then i'm in here and people are like "oh, thats fixed in trunk" or "yeah, we just added something cool to trunk"
[19:38:07] <hax> good enough for me
[19:38:15] * hax installs trunk
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[19:39:29] <coderanger> At this point its been so long since all the new major features were added, that its pretty stable
[19:39:39] <coderanger> After 0.10 is out I wouldnt use trunk for a while
[19:40:01] <coderanger> There are at least 4 sandboxes gearing up for integration
[19:43:29] <hax> well, that was the easiest install ever
[19:43:32] <hax> i should really learn python
[19:44:35] <hax> coderanger: should i keep my trac environment in my home dir?
[19:44:44] <coderanger> I don't
[19:44:49] <hax> i intend to run tracd as my user
[19:45:44] <coderanger> I mean its not a problem, I just have a very organized system for repos/tracs/static files since I have something like 9 domains and 2 or 3 dozen Tracs/repos on here
[19:47:25] <hax> holy jebus
[19:47:26] <hax> lol
[19:52:49] <hax> how do i tell trac where the trac modules are?
[19:53:01] <coderanger> It should just find them
[19:54:32] <hax> its installed in /usr/local/trac
[19:54:54] <hax> so the modules are in /usr/local/trac/lib/python2.3/site-packages/trac
[19:56:22] <hax> i'm sure its some python environment variable
[19:56:54] <coderanger> PYTHONPATH
[19:56:57] <hax> ty
[19:57:11] <coderanger> Thats a very non-standard install path :P
[19:57:21] <hax> yeah, i try
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[19:58:18] <hax> coderanger: if i use svn only over webdav... should i still give it a repos directory? or can i have trac use webdav?
[19:58:33] <coderanger> Nope, local access only
[19:58:52] <coderanger> The subversion bindings dont support remote repos
[19:58:59] <hax> oh, thats silly
[19:59:17] <coderanger> So Trac needs file access
[19:59:28] <hax> write too?
[19:59:57] <coderanger> only if you use BDB
[20:00:08] <hax> oh, ok, its fsfs
[20:00:12] <coderanger> with FSFS it just need read
[20:01:25] <hax> hrm
[20:03:07] <hax> okay, i think i got it
[20:06:42] <hax> coderanger: any thoughts on "global name 'sqlite' is not defined"?
[20:07:00] <coderanger> Do you have pysqlite installed?
[20:07:25] <hax> good call
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