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September 10, 2006

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[00:49:01] <alect> asmoooooooooooooooooodai
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[02:08:32] <asmodai> alect: Dude!
[02:08:34] <asmodai> alect: sorry
[02:08:39] <asmodai> alect: was hacking some code :)
[02:08:48] <asmodai> alect: And since last night my Internet had some issues
[02:09:33] <alect> damn internet
[02:09:39] <asmodai> *shrug*
[02:09:45] <asmodai> It happens so infrequently
[02:10:19] <alect> i'll be upgraded to dsl2 soon!
[02:10:21] <alect> wooooo!
[02:10:26] <alect> mbits of goodness
[02:10:35] <asmodai> wow
[02:10:39] <asmodai> nice :)
[02:10:54] <alect> they're pushing it pretty hard here at the moment
[02:10:59] <alect> what sort of link do you have?
[02:12:55] <asmodai> normal ADSL
[02:13:09] <asmodai> 1500/256
[02:13:16] <asmodai> this is what they call ADSL start
[02:13:35] <asmodai> then 3000/512, 6000/768, 20000/1024
[02:13:46] <alect> mmmmm 20mbit
[02:13:47] <alect> huge
[02:14:05] <asmodai> Welcome to the technocracy of North-West Europe
[02:14:56] <alect> heh
[02:16:04] <gour> asmodai: here we have only 1024/192 in start (Croatia)
[02:16:43] <gour> is trac suitable for closed-source project, i.e. how to setup access for only group of few devs?
[02:17:05] <asmodai> gour: We've been doing Internet a bit longer than most countries
[02:17:31] <asmodai> gour: There's various options to allow only authenticated people
[02:17:46] <asmodai> Of course, you could always make the URL non-public too ;)
[02:18:24] <asmodai> mmm, EUR 59,95 for 6000/768 is a bit much
[02:18:34] <asmodai> I think I'll be happy enough with 3000/512
[02:18:55] <gour> asmodai: non-public URL is not an option, but other options for allowing access to auth people sounds good
[02:23:35] <alect> http auth the entire trac
[02:23:46] <alect> or remove all anonymous privileges in trac
[02:24:03] <Miek> gour: do you just want to hide the source?
[02:24:17] <gour> Miek: yes, for some time
[02:25:39] * coderanger loves his 10Mbit connection
[02:25:42] <Miek> in trac-admin:
[02:25:43] <Miek> Trac [/home/mike/samp]> permission add authenticated BROWSER_VIEW
[02:25:43] <Miek> Trac [/home/mike/samp]> permission remove anonymous BROWSER_VIEW
[02:26:07] <coderanger> gour: Probably also FILE_VIEW, LOG_VIEW, and CHANGESET_VIEW
[02:26:41] <coderanger> Or just "permission remove anonymous *"
[02:26:55] <gour> thanks, guys. i'll take a look. new release is pending?
[02:27:15] <coderanger> Yep, 0.10 should (*cough*) be out soon
[02:27:20] <alect> heh
[02:27:23] <coderanger> a beta release is up on the site
[02:27:26] <alect> cynic
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[03:00:45] <Marlun> Godmorning! Are there no other ways to link to an attachment then "attachment:name"? A more goodlooking way that for example only shows the name and not the "attachment:" part too?
[03:03:04] <alect> [attachment:name]
[03:04:24] <coderanger> or [attachment:name This is shiny]
[03:04:44] <Marlun> ah, thanks :)
[03:05:28] <Marlun> couldn't find that in the trac guide.
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[03:05:52] <coderanger> its the same format used for all trac links
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[03:08:09] <Blackhex> hello
[03:08:15] <Miek> hi
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[03:25:16] <Marlun> coderanger: oh ok, thats good :)
[03:25:20] <Blackhex> If I have a wiki macro with form with post method posting that form redirects me to an empty wiki page (with Create this page) button. What shall I do wit it?
[03:25:36] <coderanger> Blackhex: Macros can't post
[03:25:55] <Blackhex> nice
[03:25:57] <coderanger> Blackhex: At least not without doing some funky magic
[03:26:27] <coderanger> All POSTs to /wiki are processed by the WikiModule before macros get a chance to see it
[03:26:44] <coderanger> So you would have to post to your own handler, then redirect back to the page
[03:27:16] <Blackhex> how?
[03:27:27] <Blackhex> I see
[03:27:38] <coderanger> just have the action be something other than "" or "/wiki"
[03:28:00] <coderanger> you could also do weird stuff with a request filter
[03:28:18] <coderanger> since that would see the macro's post before the wikimodule
[03:28:23] <coderanger> and you could swap out the handler
[03:28:57] <coderanger> probably a more elegant solution overall, but more work
[03:29:17] <Blackhex> ok now I know what to do, thank you
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[04:14:11] <Blackhex> coderanger: please do you know how to change req.method ?
[04:14:22] <coderanger> what do you mean "change"?
[04:14:49] <coderanger> in your <form> you should have an action="foo"
[04:14:58] <coderanger> where foo is either "get" or "post"
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[04:15:23] <coderanger> or in theory "head", but that won't accomplish much
[04:16:20] <Blackhex> I made a pre_request_filter and I wanto change req.method from POST to GET when there is action belonging to my macro
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[04:16:57] <Blackhex> so wiki module could think that method was get
[04:17:23] <coderanger> you cannot
[04:17:33] <coderanger> or at least you shouldnt
[04:17:35] <StFS> hello... I just installed the latest 0.9 version of trac but I can't find the siteconfig.py file anywhere, is that normal?
[04:17:41] <Blackhex> :-)
[04:17:57] <coderanger> StFS: Why would you need to find it?
[04:18:25] <coderanger> Blackhex: What you want to do is return something other than WikiModule from the pre-req filter
[04:18:46] <coderanger> Blackhex: probably just self
[04:19:10] <StFS> coderanger: to see what's in it... my problem is that I don't know how/if I can change the permissions that trac-admin uses when initializing a new environment... I want group write permissions... what would be the "right" way of doing that?
[04:19:13] <Blackhex> I'll try
[04:19:30] <coderanger> StFS: Thats not handled by siteconfig.py
[04:19:38] <coderanger> nor is it changeable at this time
[04:19:44] <StFS> coderanger: hmm... ok
[04:19:46] <coderanger> most people make a wrapper script that calls initenv
[04:19:52] <coderanger> and then changes what you need
[04:20:12] <StFS> coderanger: I see
[04:20:18] <coderanger> trac-admin should respect your umask I would think
[04:20:31] <StFS> coderanger: yeah... I was thinking that also
[04:20:48] <StFS> coderanger: thanks... I'll try the umask approach
[04:20:54] <coderanger> why do you need a group writable trac?
[04:21:11] <coderanger> only apache should need to modify it
[04:21:20] <coderanger> (or your server of choice)
[04:23:10] <StFS> coderanger: yeah... maybe I should just chown www-data: on the trac directory and chmod u+s (use the www-data user) instead of chmod :www-data and chmod g+s (use the www-data group)
[04:23:39] <coderanger> um why do you need the setid bits?
[04:24:06] <coderanger> my tracs are generally apache:apache:0644
[04:24:22] <StFS> coderanger: so that all subsequent directories (ie the project directories that will be created) will have the same ownership
[04:25:27] <coderanger> no new directories should be created in an env in the normal course of things
[04:26:00] <coderanger> other than ones made by the server, which are owned by apache anyway
[04:26:55] <StFS> coderanger: I'm talking about this being the "project root" directory... new projects will be created under this directory
[04:27:03] <coderanger> ahh, the parent dir
[04:27:09] <StFS> coderanger: yeah... sorry :)
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[04:31:17] <coderanger> you will probably want to just make a wrapper, as its pretty common to need to make config changes for each env
[04:31:39] <coderanger> or just make a golden client env, and copy that as needed
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[04:35:42] <StFS> :(
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[04:38:02] <coderanger> (or write the tracforge project creation system for me ;-)
[04:38:23] <StFS> coderanger: hehe... I've been on my way doing that a few times actually
[04:39:11] <StFS> coderanger: I'm teaching at a local university from time to time and I've often wanted something like that so that I can create a complete environment for student (and faculty) projects
[04:39:28] <StFS> coderanger: it always comes to a halt on the complexity of user permissions though
[04:39:42] <coderanger> my current problem is actually writting the UI in a sane fashion
[04:40:05] <coderanger> what do you mean wrt complexity of permissions?
[04:40:07] <StFS> coderanger: wheeew... I haven't gotten that far even but if I ever would I'd have a major problem with that
[04:41:40] <StFS> coderanger: well, it would be good to have fine grained control over user permission... the school has an Active Directory server and it would be best to use that to authenticate users... and then you'd want "group permissions" (ie. creating a user group for each project) and you'd like all teachers to have read access to everything and so on...
[04:41:57] <alect> that is slated for 0.11 or 0.12
[04:42:20] <coderanger> the membership control system is already implemented in tracforge
[04:42:28] <coderanger> though it would be tough to link it to AD
[04:42:41] <StFS> coderanger: there's something called tracforge?
[04:42:59] <coderanger> yes, multiproject support plugin
[04:43:16] <StFS> coderanger: ahh... ok so that's actually on its way? I should take a look at that
[04:43:17] <coderanger> I really need to go write documentation for it actually
[04:43:38] <StFS> coderanger: please do :)
[04:43:49] <coderanger> Its still a work-in-progress, but what is done seems to work (in all of the two places its been tested)
[04:44:06] <StFS> coderanger: hehe
[04:44:14] <StFS> are there more such projects?
[04:44:31] <StFS> I mean, is this effort being duplicated in any way?
[04:45:04] <coderanger> there is something called tram, but its much more hackish IMO
[04:45:16] <coderanger> and only works with a specific setup (mod_python)
[04:45:25] <StFS> ok
[04:45:38] <coderanger> they don't really (yet) overlap though
[04:49:53] <coderanger> given that its almost 8AM here, I think its time for bed
[04:50:30] <StFS> coderanger: well.. I'd actually say it's time to get up... but if you haven't gone to bed to get up from then yes... it's time for bed
[04:50:57] <StFS> coderanger: where are you located?
[04:51:10] <coderanger> NY, USA
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[04:52:32] <StFS> ok
[04:52:49] <StFS> do you know how I check tracforge out of svn?
[04:53:23] <coderanger> svn co https://trac-hacks.org/svn/tracforgeplugin/0.10 tracforge
[04:54:05] <StFS> coderanger: ahh.. ok I've been looking at tracforge.net
[04:54:29] <Miek> is there a way to set certain tickets to private, so they can only be viewed by certain users?
[04:55:05] <coderanger> StFS: Heh, thats run by someone else
[04:55:25] <StFS> coderanger: ahh I see... that pretty much seems like it's my "wrapper script"
[04:55:45] <coderanger> tracforge?
[04:55:47] <coderanger> its a plugin
[04:56:04] <StFS> no, tracforge.net
[04:56:13] <StFS> create the svn repo, trac env, change permission on the files/directories
[04:56:16] <alect> we need tracforge screenshots!
[04:56:19] <Blackhex> coderanger: it work, I returneded self, perform action and redirect back to display content of a page, but I need all form values to display macro content how could I pass them to req.redirect() ?
[04:56:34] <coderanger> for the admin subsystem you setup a "master" trac, and administer the other projects from there
[04:56:45] <StFS> coderanger: ok
[04:57:11] <coderanger> StFS: Its currently totally undocumented, but I'm hoping to tackle that tomorrow (er today I suppose)
[04:57:45] <StFS> hehe
[04:57:48] <coderanger> Blackhex: Maybe iterate over req.args?
[04:58:23] <StFS> why is trac-hacks.org "ditching" mod_python and using mod_fastcgi instead? any good reason?
[04:58:27] <coderanger> Blackhex: '&'.join(['%s=%s'%x for x in req.args.items()])
[04:58:45] <Blackhex> you mean req.redirect(req.href.wiki() + &'.join(['%s=%s'%x for x in req.args.items()]) ?
[04:58:52] <Miek> StFS: they're gradually moving towards using lighttpd + fastcgi
[04:58:57] <coderanger> Blackhex: Something like that
[04:58:59] <coderanger> Blackhex: hmm
[04:59:09] <Blackhex> could be that longer than 255 chars?
[04:59:13] <coderanger> Blackhex: actually this "should" work
[04:59:24] <coderanger> req.href.wiki(**req.args)
[04:59:56] <coderanger> alect: I think you can answer that better than I :)
[05:00:06] <Blackhex> I'll try
[05:00:40] <coderanger> Blackhex: if not that req.href.wiki(**dict(req.args.items()))
[05:01:26] <StFS> Miek: ok... and since it seems nobody has answered your question about whether you can "hide" certain tickets that I think the answer is no... it was at least some months ago when I was wondering the same thing... but as you can hear I'm not too much of an expert so don't take this as the definitive answer
[05:02:42] <coderanger> Not with a stock Trac
[05:02:47] <coderanger> its doable with a plugin though
[05:03:01] <Blackhex> hmm it'is cycling
[05:03:26] <coderanger> hackishly in 0.10, and properly with the new security model
[05:03:31] <coderanger> Blackhex: ?
[05:04:06] <Blackhex> coderanger: I redirected it to same page, I need to change request a bit
[05:04:47] <coderanger> Blackhex: not quite sure what you mean, though the sleep madness is starting to set it
[05:05:22] <Blackhex> never mind, I solve this myself
[05:05:37] <StFS> coderanger: "DO NOT TRY TO USE THIS PLUGIN. IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT IT WILL EAT YOUR DATA, DESTROY YOUR SERVER, AND KILL A PUPPY."
[05:05:52] <StFS> coderanger: the puppy... fine... my data?????
[05:06:08] <coderanger> StFS: like I said, documentation needs writting ;-)
[05:06:33] <StFS> coderanger: yeah well... just wondering about the validity of the claim
[05:06:34] <coderanger> StFS: Thats from about 3 days after I started the project. Someone filed a ticket complaining that there were no install instructions
[05:06:42] <StFS> ok
[05:09:36] <coderanger> There we go, the page should be less scary now :)
[05:09:42] <StFS> hehe :)
[05:09:44] <alect> yeah, lighttpd+fcgi is the eventual goal
[05:09:55] <StFS> but there's no setup instructions!!! ;)
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[05:10:52] <StFS> alect: ok... is that just their personal perversion or does that actually have some advantage over apache+mod_python (apart from the "light")
[05:11:06] <coderanger> StFS: for the admin system, put "tracforge.admin.* = enabled" in your config
[05:11:17] <alect> the "light" is the key
[05:11:23] <StFS> alect: aight :)
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[05:11:40] <alect> i've already switchted to fcgi though
[05:11:41] <coderanger> and add [tracforge] master_path = /path/to/master
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[05:12:01] <StFS> coderanger: ok... but to what should I add this?
[05:12:10] <coderanger> StFS: trac.ini
[05:12:16] <StFS> coderanger: remember, I was complaining earlier of not finding siteconfig.py :)
[05:12:28] <coderanger> StFS: its in the conf folder of the env
[05:12:30] <StFS> coderanger: ahh.. ok so create a single trac project and use that trac.ini
[05:12:36] <coderanger> yes
[05:12:50] <StFS> aight... will do... I'll give it a whirl for you dude :)
[05:13:06] <coderanger> someone set it up yesterday and it seemed okay
[05:13:07] <StFS> and if it eats my puppy I'll come after you and throw the server in your head
[05:13:28] <StFS> coderanger: cool
[05:13:52] <Blackhex> req.redirect(req.href.wiki(**dict(req.args.items()))) don't work with long form values
[05:13:56] <coderanger> but yeah, if you find any bugs just shoot me an email or file them on trac-hacks
[05:14:20] <StFS> coderanger: but will tracforge create the svn repo for a new project or is that "out of scope"
[05:14:28] <coderanger> "not yet"
[05:14:32] <StFS> right :)
[05:14:37] <StFS> cool... thanks
[05:14:43] <coderanger> the is a project admin page, but it just adds a DB entry so far
[05:14:56] <coderanger> need to make hooks for things like making the trac env and repo
[05:15:06] <StFS> ok
[05:15:43] <StFS> hmmm... "error: Could not find distribution for Requirement.parse('TracWebAdmin')"
[05:16:24] <coderanger> You need webadmin installed
[05:16:29] <StFS> ok
[05:16:50] <coderanger> in case I didnt mention it, you also need to be running trac 0.10
[05:16:55] <coderanger> (or trunk)
[05:17:19] <StFS> oh crap!
[05:17:29] <StFS> how stable is that?
[05:18:02] <coderanger> its <1 week from release in theory (or very close to that)
[05:18:05] <StFS> will it eat my cat?
[05:18:09] <StFS> ok
[05:18:16] <StFS> so, stable enough
[05:18:27] <coderanger> yeah, I use it for all my sites at this point
[05:18:36] <Miek> it might nibble at the cat's tail
[05:18:37] <StFS> but webadmin... is that the same as webadminusersplugin on trac-hacks or is it something else?
[05:18:44] <coderanger> there are a lot of major enhancements over 0.9 anyway
[05:18:49] <StFS> Miek: cats hate that
[05:18:50] <coderanger> @webadmin
[05:18:50] <evil_twin> coderanger: "webadmin" is http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WebAdmin
[05:19:05] <StFS> coolio... go to bed!
[05:19:07] <StFS> ;)
[05:19:23] <StFS> ahh... one question...
[05:19:30] <StFS> is there an "uninstall" for trac?
[05:19:46] <StFS> I have no idea where the install script put all the stuff
[05:19:57] <coderanger> for 0.9 -> 0.10 you can just install over
[05:20:03] <StFS> is it all in /usr/share/trac or did it go somewhere else as well?
[05:20:06] <StFS> ok
[05:20:11] <StFS> I'll just do that then
[05:21:34] <Blackhex> alect: you don't know how to make wiki macro be able to use post method forms?
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[05:35:19] <gordonjcp> is there a definitive guide to how trac uses CSS?
[05:35:44] <gordonjcp> or should I just poke about in /usr/pkg/share/trac/htdocs/css/*.css for clues?
[05:36:32] <StFS> the webadmin plugin: I'm thinking I should enable it globally but I'm not quite sure where I should do that... my /usr/share/trac/conf directory is empty... should I create my own trac.ini file there? if so, what should the contents be apart from the enabling of the webadmin plugin?
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[06:01:28] <tuxipuxi> WANTED dead or alive (better dead): web form spammers
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[06:05:02] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: Say
[06:05:10] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: did you update code tags even more? :)
[06:05:23] <mitsuhiko> haha
[06:05:28] <mitsuhiko> no. it doesn't work that well :(
[06:05:29] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: http://trac.tendra.org/codetags
[06:05:59] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: Seems it keeps refs to old files even if changesets remove them ;)
[06:06:03] <mitsuhiko> asmodai: i have it on my todo list, but i've few time atm :(
[06:06:11] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: no problem, just reporting; )
[06:06:29] <asmodai> Since I like the idea.
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[10:52:45] <Techie-Micheal> Is it possible, perhaps with code edits, to have trac not require anon read access to a repo?
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[11:01:18] <omry> Techie-Micheal, what do you mean?
[11:01:25] <omry> everyone have anon read access, right?
[11:01:40] <Techie-Micheal> Not right now, no.
[11:01:44] <omry> what are you after?
[11:02:11] <Techie-Micheal> A closed repo, basically. I want to use trac, but don't want people happening across my repo and checking the code out.
[11:02:24] <Techie-Micheal> But I still want trac. yes, I want to have my cake and eat it too. :P
[11:02:41] <omry> Techie-Micheal, the permissions model seems very felexible to me
[11:02:52] <omry> I am not sure you can do it, but I am almost sure.
[11:02:59] <rob86> i tried installing trac on a subdomain (i.e: trac.domain.com) with apache2+fcgi, but for some reason, only the index page appears (with no CSS applied), and i get a 404 trying to access any other pages. when I installed it via domain.com/trac it workedfin e.. anyone know why?
[11:03:10] <timp> as long as trac can read the svn dir it is possible
[11:03:11] <timp> I guess..
[11:03:28] <timp> I don't even have svn on a local disk, but I mount the directory with sshfs
[11:03:31] <Techie-Micheal> From what I understand, trac must have anon read access to access the repo. I want to give it a username and password to use instead.
[11:04:10] <timp> a username and password? trac just has to be able to read your svn directory (if I understood correctly)
[11:04:31] <omry> Techie-Micheal, check out the admin manager plugin and the account manager plugin
[11:04:33] <timp> and write access even.. although I think that is not used.
[11:04:44] <Techie-Micheal> So there is a place I can give trac authenticated read access?
[11:04:59] <Techie-Micheal> omry: Okay.
[11:05:01] <omry> http://trac-hacks.org/
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[11:49:32] <rob86> do i still need to let apache handle static pages for faster performance when using fastcgi.. or does it apply to cgi only
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[12:17:31] <Inc> 1/29/2007 is not a known date format.
[12:17:36] <Inc> any idea whats wrong with that?
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[12:33:26] <omry> I am creating an svn repo for my project (was in cvs)
[12:33:38] <omry> can I control commit access to users from the admin plugin?
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[12:43:26] <Del_Mon> omry no
[12:43:36] <Del_Mon> omry you control access to track from the admin plugin
[12:43:41] <Del_Mon> s/k//
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[12:44:00] <omry> okay
[12:46:44] <hacim> I installed the tracexcelviewer plugin, and uploaded an .xls file into subversion, but when I click on it, I'm not seeing it, I just get, "HTML preview not available. To view, download the file."
[12:47:42] <hacim> I've got xlrd installed
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[13:08:56] <omry> I know its a bit off topic here
[13:09:08] <omry> but I need help setting up my svn repo for anon read and authenticated write
[13:09:19] <omry> anyone?
[13:10:27] <coderanger> omry: Check out the book
[13:10:37] <omry> coderanger, I`m there
[13:10:41] <omry> its not very clear about that one.
[13:10:56] <coderanger> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.serverconfig.httpd.html#svn.serverconfig.httpd.authz
[13:11:24] <coderanger> I generally use the <LimitExcept> trick
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