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September 11, 2006

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[00:03:55] <moolight> is 1.4 stable yet?
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[00:04:51] <moolight> the tortoise svn support local move for 1.4 only. although svn-1.3 support it nicely
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[01:19:25] <asmodai> cmlenz: Morning!
[01:19:34] <cmlenz> moin asmodai
[01:19:45] <asmodai> cmlenz: Still working on bitten? ;)
[01:20:00] <cmlenz> atm not, unfortunately :-(
[01:21:18] <cmlenz> but would really like to get back to it eventually
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[01:26:07] <asmodai> I am going to install the latest tree on trac.tendra.org
[01:26:15] <asmodai> see how it works with .10b1 ;)
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[02:28:09] <jlebrech> hi all
[02:29:22] <jlebrech> how much customization can i have in trac? can i disable the wiki, browse source?
[02:29:46] <jlebrech> can i set up trac so that users can only see their own tickets and timelines.
[02:30:10] <neuralis> jlebrech: you can disable components; you can make it so people see only their own tickets, but you'll need to hack the trac source (pretty easy for this).
[02:30:40] <jlebrech> neuralis: this documented anywhere?
[02:30:44] <neuralis> jlebrech: note that trac will by default only show owned tickets to logged-in users, though the filter is there to be helpful, not to enforce things.
[02:31:46] <neuralis> jlebrech: for disabling components, see bottom of <yourtrac>/wiki/TracIni
[02:31:56] <jlebrech> ah cool
[02:32:51] <jlebrech> im pretty new, ive been modifying our user support system, but we need an outbound version
[02:38:18] <jlebrech> ive been looking at a few systems trac/mantis/flyspray/simple ticket
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[04:23:14] <spitfireaus> hi I'm having some really crazy permission problems with trac
[04:24:09] <spitfireaus> Sometimes when i log in it will say permission denied initially,
[04:24:25] <spitfireaus> Then after pressing login a couple times, it'll eventually log my in
[04:24:43] <spitfireaus> Also sometimes clicking settings correctly logs me in
[04:25:27] <spitfireaus> It will appear to work, until i try and add or modify something, then seeminly randomly it will give me a permission denied?!
[04:25:38] <spitfireaus> I'm using Apache .htaccess to authenticate
[04:25:44] <spitfireaus> Has anyone seen anything like this?
[04:26:31] <spitfireaus> Or any ideas?
[04:26:48] <spitfireaus> I'm running 0.9.3
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[06:09:21] <reubendb> hello ?
[06:10:05] <reubendb> Using postgresql with trac, Do I need to create a different DB for each project ?
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[06:15:19] <dorian_> hi there, having trouble setting up trac on RHel4
[06:15:40] <dorian_> I keep getting "Can't set position pointer in file" in my browse source
[06:15:55] <dorian_> anyone know if there's a way round this for RH?
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[06:53:01] <Milde> would any of you know why i'm getting this "permission denied: '/root/.python-eggs' error after running trac for a day or so: http://dackz.net/etc/trac/egg-error.txt
[06:53:21] <Milde> it's not running as root and setting PYTHON_EGG_CACHE has no effect
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[06:53:38] <Milde> i'm running it as a fastcgi script launched by lighttpd
[06:54:03] <Milde> lighttpd is running under www-data:www-data and it launches the process with suexec under another regular user
[06:58:58] <De_Mon> hmmm
[06:59:06] <De_Mon> where are you setting PYTHON_EGG_CACHE?
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[06:59:58] <De_Mon> the easy fix is to just give ownership of that file to whoever is running trac
[07:00:03] <Milde> De_Mon: in the lighttpd config, under bin-environment for the fastcgi instance
[07:00:16] <Milde> well i'm not exactly sure why it wants to write into root's home folder
[07:00:37] <Milde> and i'm not really depending on it to be up at the moment, so i'd rather get a more sane fix in place
[07:01:02] <Milde> i suppose i could try setting it in the fcgi script
[07:01:11] <Milde> but it seems weird that it only does that after a day or so of running
[07:01:22] <Milde> everything works fine prior
[07:01:32] <Milde> then i wake up the next day and it's down, like clockwork
[07:03:08] <De_Mon> make sure you're setting the env var correctly.
[07:03:29] <De_Mon> it's a python vairable
[07:03:55] <Milde> the error message says it's an environment variable
[07:04:04] <Milde> so i would assume it's reading it from os.environ
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[07:06:15] <Milde> the trac docs say SetEnv in apache should work, and what i'm doing should be equivalent
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[07:09:10] <Milde> i guess it's thinking the home folder is /root because it's run via suexec
[07:12:25] <Milde> and the environment settings i'm passing with lighttpd are being seen by trac because TRAC_ENV works fine
[07:20:40] <bethor> is there a segnificant difference between psycopg2 and pyPgSQL in terms of functionality or performance?
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[07:53:16] <Milde> i wonder if the egg cache thing is actually a bug in acct_mgr, since that's where the trace leads
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[09:39:37] <neuralis> coderanger: around?
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[09:45:44] <asmodai> neuralis: not for the past 10 hours
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[09:47:42] <neuralis> asmodai: i've since found a hackish way of doing what i wanted, so it doesn't matter. :)
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[09:56:53] <Chutt> heh. trac doesn't really deal with getting slashdotted terribly well =)
[10:01:00] <cmlenz> who got slashdotted?
[10:01:21] <Chutt> mythtv
[10:01:45] <Chutt> trac's apache instance (separate from the main website) is using the vast majority of cpu on the machine =)
[10:02:15] <cmlenz> I can imagine :-P
[10:02:50] <idnar> tracdotted
[10:02:58] <omry__> hehe
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[10:06:20] <cobaltsixty> hehe. But I wonder how many alternatives you have for dealing with /.'ing
[10:06:49] <Chutt> i just shut down trac's apache instance
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[10:12:09] <mayday77> pplz
[10:12:20] <mayday77> help me please =)
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[10:16:53] <mayday77> hey
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[10:16:58] <mayday77> any1 here?
[10:18:34] <matt_good> mayday77: ask your question and be patient, if someone can help they will
[10:21:23] <asmodai> hey matt
[10:22:22] <mayday77> ok m sorry . I trying to run KisMac on PowerBook g4 Aliminium, but cant setup a passive mode. Not , im not a blondie ... =)
[10:23:30] <cmlenz> you're on the wrong channel
[10:23:40] <cmlenz> this is about Trac (see topic)
[10:23:45] <mayday77> damn, i think im a blondie ...
[10:24:26] <cmlenz> heh
[10:25:59] <matt_good> hey asmodai
[10:27:29] <omry> hi, am working on a sweet statistics system that runs on php (http://firefang.net/english/firestats) and I`d like to integrate it with trac (to get statistics about uses accessing trac). as I know very little about python right now, it will take me a long time to come up with a simple plugin that calls a command line program for every page displayed by trac. can anyone help me with it?
[10:27:44] <omry> if I get it to work, you can ofcourse use my statistics system in your trac.
[10:27:59] <omry> (to monitor trac, that is)
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[10:52:23] <omry> http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/712
[10:53:02] <omry> its a request for a very generic plugin, I am sure it will be useful for other people as well.
[10:53:23] <omry> and its also a simple one, for one know python and trac know-how.
[10:57:56] <matt_good> omry: well, it may be easier for people to use if you just make a plugin specific to running your stats program
[10:58:23] <omry> matt_good, for me its pretty much the same complexity level
[10:58:33] <omry> just getting a plugin to run in trac
[10:58:39] <omry> and executing a program
[10:58:43] <omry> and getting the required parameters
[10:58:51] <omry> thats all the things i will need to do
[10:58:58] <omry> making it generic looks like a small step
[10:59:04] <omry> after all those are there
[10:59:37] <omry> matt_good, I am refering to the ticket request I posted
[11:00:05] <matt_good> I mean it would be easier for end users to just install the FirestatsPlugin, than to install some generic plugin and configure it
[11:00:16] <omry> matt_good, probably true.
[11:00:29] <omry> I can use the command_line plugin as a base for the specific FireStats plugin
[11:00:53] <omry> but still, I need a base.
[11:02:05] <omry> since I don't know python, I am looking at at least a day or two spent getting such a plugin to work myself. and its pretty trivial for someone with python and trac knowledge.
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[11:28:17] <sineer> hi!
[11:28:51] <sineer> I was wondering if someone know the cool plugin that displays the various branches in the svn repos ? Ive looked on trac-hacks and its gone!!
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[11:30:23] <The_Tick> sineer: umm
[11:30:57] <The_Tick> click "browse source" and then click branches?
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[12:59:46] <y0gi636> hows it goin coderanger
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[13:04:22] <cboos> hi
[13:04:35] <cboos> jborg: are you around?
[13:08:39] <cboos> what do people think about #3636, i.e. should we include the FineGrainedPermissions page in the set of default wiki pages?
[13:08:44] <cboos> @ticket 3636
[13:08:45] <evil_twin> cboos: http://projects.edgewall.com/trac//ticket/3636
[13:09:14] <cboos> (that would require renaming it TracFineGrainedPermissions)
[13:11:46] <cboos> matt_good: are you around?
[13:13:22] <matt_good> hmm, evil_twin needs taught the new t.e.o URL
[13:14:02] <cboos> so, if you don't mind, I'd like to discuss a few tickets, which we could quickly fix if there's some consensus...
[13:14:35] <cboos> first, the #3637, about including the ticket workflow picture in the docs
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[13:14:54] <cboos> ok for creating a htdocs/guide subfolder and put it there?
[13:16:28] <matt_good> is there a way to link to that from the Wiki?
[13:16:38] <matt_good> using Wiki syntax I mean
[13:17:11] <cboos> ah, right, that could be a problem
[13:17:32] <matt_good> personally, I think the ticket is low priority, since 99% of users will probably be online when they use Trac
[13:17:49] <cboos> the htdocs: links to the project htdocs, not the installed one
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[13:18:33] <alus> trac's wiki formatting in tickets is very annoying
[13:18:50] <cboos> ok, so as this would probably require a change to htdocs, and as you said is low prio, let's post-pone to 0.10.1
[13:18:56] <alus> making a list like this " - foo\n - bar\n - baz" results in one line
[13:19:14] <cboos> alus: upgrade to 0.10, this is supported there ;)
[13:21:32] <omry> I saw you can actually add code to the wiki
[13:21:36] <omry> thats cool
[13:21:38] <omry> what about security?
[13:21:47] <omry> the code runs on the server, obisouly
[13:21:49] <omry> is it sandboxed/
[13:21:50] <omry> ?
[13:21:59] <matt_good> omry: huh? add code how?
[13:22:04] <omry> http://firefang.net/projects/firestats/wiki/WikiFormatting#Processors
[13:22:13] <matt_good> Trac doesn't run any code in the Wiki pages
[13:22:36] <matt_good> omry: that's just for syntax coloring
[13:22:39] <cboos> omry: that's only source code highlighting, I'm afraid ;)
[13:22:41] <matt_good> it's not executed
[13:22:57] <omry> oh
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[13:23:59] <omry> and I was hopeing to grab the latest version and url from my latest.php file FireStats is using to check for new versions
[13:24:21] <alus> cboos: thanks
[13:25:13] <matt_good> omry: it is possible to write macros to put in your wiki pages which are run when the page is displayed
[13:25:36] <omry> matt_good, ah, cool.
[13:25:42] <omry> and this brings me back to the last question
[13:27:36] <omry> what about security?+
[13:28:29] <omry> reading about macros
[13:32:14] <jborg> cboos, I'm here now
[13:32:40] <cboos> ah, ok, I've a small request ...
[13:32:52] <cboos> can you do something about http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2340#comment:2
[13:32:53] <Getty> is it really hard to compile mod_python by hand or am i just stupid?
[13:32:57] <cboos> (and the likes)
[13:34:17] <cboos> (oh, apparently that's the last remaining of its kind)
[13:34:26] <jborg> cboos, I'll see what I can do
[13:34:41] <cboos> ok thanks
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[13:40:55] <cboos> So, I have now mainly a few pending patches for 0.10, #3620, #3655 and #3700 ...
[13:41:45] <cboos> does any of you want to discuss some of them, or are you ok if I simply commit them?
[13:42:03] <cboos> (to get a bit closer to release time ;) )
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[13:44:29] <omry> can I have an image with a link to a file?
[13:44:34] <omry> (or page)
[13:45:48] <omry> this does not seem to work: [http://firefang.net/files/firestats/firestats-standalone-0.9.4-beta.zip [[Image(http://firefang.net/english/firestats.png)]] ]
[13:46:59] <cboos> omry: that's not supported currently... however, you may want to scratch your head a bit and find a way to workaround this limitation using imagemaps ;)
[13:47:19] <omry> bah, I`ll pass :)
[13:47:36] <cboos> or not ... and directly lookup the solution at http://trac.edgewall.org/markup ;)
[13:48:04] <cboos> sorry wrong link
[13:48:09] <omry> indeed
[13:48:13] <cboos> http://markup.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiStart?format=txt
[13:48:18] <cboos> that's better ;)
[13:48:53] <jborg> cboos, the #3655 patch doesn't contain the doesn't contain the interface default handler thing, right?
[13:49:42] <omry> cboos, that's using maps, no?
[13:50:05] <cboos> jborg: no, it's doesn't (it's not needed, let me check the context)
[13:50:12] <cboos> omry: yes
[13:50:21] <omry> its fine, but an overkill for my current need
[13:50:32] <cboos> np
[13:51:00] <omry> thanks
[13:51:53] <cboos> jborg: the discussion about the interface was raised because simon wanted to introduce a new method returning a value, and that would have break the existing implementations of that interface
[13:51:55] <omry> is there a module that help manage release versions?
[13:52:01] <omry> change log, download links etc?
[13:52:17] <cboos> jborg: but the patch doesn't change the current interface, so no need for that
[13:53:14] <cboos> bbiab
[13:53:25] <jborg> cboos, ok good. Because that didn't sound like a very good idea. I say go ahead and commit them
[14:00:42] <matt_good> omry: you can embed HTML in a Wiki page like the bottom {{{}}} block of the Markup page cboos linked
[14:01:08] <omry> matt_good, yeah. I seen it.
[14:01:19] <omry> I`d prefer to avoid it.. it seems.. misplaced :)
[14:03:54] <cboos> omry: I'd say ideally we should be able to write [[Image(link_to_the_image, href=target_when_clicking)]]
[14:04:23] <omry> cboos, yeah, I was expecting to something like that
[14:05:15] <omry> how do I add a sidebar like in the trac homepage?
[14:05:24] <cboos> omry: ask ilias ;)
[14:05:34] <omry> illias?
[14:05:44] <omry> s/l/
[14:05:44] <cboos> inside joke ;)
[14:05:53] <omry> grr
[14:06:03] <omry> which I`ll never know anything about
[14:06:08] <omry> unless you tell me :)
[14:06:23] <cboos> @ticket 3692
[14:06:23] <evil_twin> cboos: http://projects.edgewall.com/trac//ticket/3692
[14:06:56] <omry> No handler matched request to //ticket/3692
[14:06:58] <omry> eek
[14:07:01] <omry> extra /?
[14:07:13] <omry> yeah
[14:07:17] <omry> the bot is messed up
[14:07:21] <omry> a bit :)
[14:07:38] <cboos> probably, as matt_good said, the evil_twin thing needs to be updated (no idea who takes care of it)
[14:07:56] <omry> its not a thing!
[14:07:58] <omry> its an evil_twin
[14:09:10] <omry> cboos, so, that bug prevents me from getting a sidebar?
[14:09:44] <cboos> no, not really, the fact is there's no "standard" way to get a side bar
[14:10:15] <omry> what was would you suggest?
[14:10:18] <omry> I dont know python
[14:11:34] <cboos> never did that myself, but you have to customize your (clearsilver) templates, and one way would be to re-use the metanavbar and a INavigationContributor plugin, the way ilias did it
[14:12:03] <cboos> (follow links in http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3692#comment:3)
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[14:13:06] <omry> alrighty
[14:13:16] <omry> I`ll push it into my todo stack :)
[14:13:30] <matt_good> @ticket 123
[14:13:30] <evil_twin> matt_good: http://projects.edgewall.com/trac//ticket/123
[14:14:09] <cboos> the "joke" part of this is that ilias is a well known internet troll, who damaged several mailing lists (I remember him from ruby-talk, where he explained to matz how to "fix" his language ;) ), and now this guy surfaces on the Trac community, but, quite surprisingly, in a well behaved and even constructive way...
[14:15:20] <omry> cboos, nice.
[14:15:30] <omry> maybe he was just missunderstood by the ruby guys
[14:15:44] <omry> a well known Internet troll.
[14:15:49] <omry> cute :)
[14:16:14] <omry> Introll.
[14:16:28] <omry> or, Interoll.
[14:16:41] <cboos> no way ;) http://www.zenspider.com/Languages/Ruby/IliasIsCrazy.html
[14:16:52] <omry> LOL
[14:17:15] <cboos> but, as I said, he seems to have changed his manners
[14:17:49] <omry> 500 messages in 3 months
[14:17:50] <omry> woa
[14:18:02] <omry> maybe he is just preparing the ground
[14:18:10] <omry> checking the defenses.
[14:18:21] <cboos> ... that's an hypothesis too
[14:18:23] <matt_good> he's been on the Trac lists before, and has not been a problem
[14:18:34] <cboos> ... so far
[14:18:43] <omry> hehe
[14:18:53] <omry> one troll to rule them all.
[14:19:18] <cboos> but I agree that it's completely ok so far, let's just be ... cautious
[14:19:45] <omry> yes.
[14:19:55] <omry> wiki based projects are fragile
[14:20:06] <omry> we dont want him to start messing about
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[14:23:34] <matt_good> well, Ilias has been posting to the list since back in February
[14:23:45] <matt_good> he is a Trac user and has been for a while
[14:24:54] <matt_good> I saw some of the controversy surrounding his presence on the Django list, but I think the worst thing people can do is start treating him like a troll, since it's bound to start flame wars
[14:25:03] <cboos> matt, you're also on the TurboGears mailing list, and/or the Django one, no? How is he behaving there (as I've found a few ref. of his postings there)
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