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<pacopablo> |
well, good night boys and girls |
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<pacopablo> |
have fun with the script alect |
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<alect> |
shall do paco |
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<alect> |
see you later |
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<alect> |
coderanger: there's a ticket about that |
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<coderanger> |
alect: I only see #3655, which was closed with a change to the docs saying what was wanted can't be done |
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<alect> |
that's the one |
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<alect> |
http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3655#comment:3 |
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<coderanger> |
the biggest problem I am having right now is that the macro post handlers will be unable to check things like permissions |
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<coderanger> |
or even req.authname |
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<coderanger> |
since thats all done too late |
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<alect> |
yeah exactly |
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<alect> |
http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3655#comment:7 |
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<alect> |
second paragraph is cmlenz's view on adding the mid-request filter |
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<coderanger> |
yeah, I just disagree ;-) |
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<coderanger> |
I can do some silly hacks to produce the same effect, but I like to avoid that whenever possible |
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<alect> |
don't lie to me coderanger, you love it |
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<alect> |
h@x |
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<coderanger> |
Just because I'm good at stupid things doesn't mean I think its the best way :P |
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<alect> |
hehe |
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<cmlenz> |
coderanger: what exactly are you doing where you need that? |
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<coderanger> |
A plugin to allow macros to use POST |
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<cmlenz> |
oh |
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<coderanger> |
right now the handlers execute during the pre-request handler |
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<coderanger> |
I can just use the empty nav contributer trick to make them execute in a nicer context though |
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<coderanger> |
hmm, actually no, I cant |
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<coderanger> |
ahh, I can, the nav bar is populated before the process step |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: But there are other places where its not so easy |
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<coderanger> |
http://trac-hacks.org/browser/tracforgeplugin/0.10/tracforge/linker/auth.py#L49 |
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<cmlenz> |
I think that any problems with pre_process_request being called either too early or too late would be better addressed by moving more of the request initialization into filters, rather than adding more hooks |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: either way |
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<cmlenz> |
then you could configure when the filter is called by changing the order of filters |
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<coderanger> |
What does need some work though is post-filters and redirects |
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<cmlenz> |
the only problem with that is that it's not really safe for people to screw around with the order in the config |
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<cmlenz> |
hmm, probably true |
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<coderanger> |
Well then you can start talking about ordering the filters automatically |
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<coderanger> |
So the components just expose dependencies |
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<cmlenz> |
right |
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<coderanger> |
and let the system figure it out |
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<coderanger> |
but thats complicated ;-) |
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<cmlenz> |
that's something I wanted to investigate for some time |
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<coderanger> |
I've been arguing with the same thing for project creation, and still haven't found a good answer |
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<cmlenz> |
hm? |
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<coderanger> |
for the tracforge admin system |
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<coderanger> |
plugins can contribute creation steps |
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<coderanger> |
but some have to happen before others |
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<coderanger> |
i.e. changing configs must happen after the env is made |
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<coderanger> |
but if ConfigChanger says it depends on MakeEnv, and then you create your own MyMakeEnv |
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<coderanger> |
things get a little hazy |
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<cmlenz> |
okay |
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<coderanger> |
whee |
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<coderanger> |
macropost works (i think) |
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<alect> |
hack! |
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<alect> |
:) |
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<coderanger> |
now to tear addcomment to shreds ;-) |
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<alect> |
ah yes, that seriously needs some love |
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<coderanger> |
I think I may pick this up again tomorrow |
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<coderanger> |
But the hooks are getting called correctly |
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<coderanger> |
wanna give me commit to addcommentmacro/0.10 ? |
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<alect> |
surely |
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<coderanger> |
I did a cursory conversion to plugin at least |
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<alect> |
i'd ask you to look at newhack, but it is brutally ugly |
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<alect> |
for the sake of your own sanity, avoid it at all costs |
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<coderanger> |
Heh, let me get one working first ;-) |
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<coderanger> |
I've actually gone through that because I stole ListTypes for something |
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<alect> |
ah |
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<alect> |
nastiest hack ever i thikn |
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<alect> |
okay, permissions changed |
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<coderanger> |
gratsi :) |
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<coderanger> |
hopefully newhack can be replaced by tracforge shortly ;-) |
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<alect> |
that would be good |
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<alect> |
i wonder how it will scale |
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<coderanger> |
Yeah |
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<alect> |
pity authzwebadminplugin isn't a bit more usable |
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<coderanger> |
feel free to send threatening emails to the author |
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<coderanger> |
some people consider it a hobby |
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<alect> |
heh |
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<alect> |
i might enable it so you can fondle perms |
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<alect> |
some editing is better than none |
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<coderanger> |
Heh |
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<asmodai> |
alect / coderanger / cmlenz : btw, be careful with Lazaridis. He seems to behave on the trac list, but he has a sort of history as a mailinglist troll |
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<alect> |
yeah |
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<alect> |
we have seen his wikipedia page :) |
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<alect> |
he's famous |
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<asmodai> |
alect: Yeah, but I think that's also a bit overdone. |
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<alect> |
i think we're acting on the assumption that he's not a troll until he proves otherwise |
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<alect> |
at least, i am |
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<asmodai> |
*nod* |
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<asmodai> |
That's how I dealt with him on the django list |
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<asmodai> |
'sides, if you write an article on me, who can people believe? |
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<cmlenz> |
didn't they ban him from the django list? |
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<asmodai> |
cmlenz: Not sure. |
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<cmlenz> |
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/3e091dcf439b93a1/4dde9af6bfcd5cc6?lnk=gst&q=censorship&rnum=1#4dde9af6bfcd5cc6 |
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<alect> |
hmmm :) |
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<alect> |
not a good sign |
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<asmodai> |
cmlenz: btw, nice name change ;) |
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<alect> |
he surely has a bizarre outlook though |
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<alect> |
asks the strangest questions |
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<asmodai> |
alect: http://schevo.org/lists/archives/schevo-devel/2006-May/000749.html |
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<asmodai> |
alect: Seems it ultimate boils down he wants to sell services. |
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<cmlenz> |
http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears/browse_thread/thread/bd27dcc6b9f7ad3d/68f5f41505ef3074?lnk=gst&q=schevo&rnum=2#68f5f41505ef3074 |
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<asmodai> |
I don't trust this stuff: |
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<asmodai> |
http://audit.lazaridis.com/schevo |
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<asmodai> |
O'Brien says no, yet he claims they took up on his services. I think he's making a virtual portfolio of non-existant entries. |
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<cmlenz> |
asmodai: did you read his message I just linked to? |
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<asmodai> |
Ah |
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<asmodai> |
so basically: stay polite with the guy and decline all potential offers to commercially help out :) |
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<asmodai> |
But then again, that's C, seems he's targetting Python |
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<row> |
What is considered best, running trac with mod_python or with cgi? (using apache2)? |
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<row> |
or is there nothing in it? |
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<tuxipuxi> |
with either mod_python or with fastcgi, plain cgi is too slow |
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<row> |
k |
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<row> |
mod_python it is :) |
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<row> |
How can I enable TRAC_ADMIN for ALL projects on a given user? |
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<webs> |
Hello. |
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<webs> |
there exists a irc bot for Trac ? |
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<janhaa> |
hello |
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<janhaa> |
i just tried 0.10b1, but i can't make it work. is there a way to go back to 0.9.4 ? |
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<jesterKing> |
did you do a manual install? |
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<janhaa> |
yes |
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<jesterKing> |
I had to copy the templates et all to the proper place |
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<jesterKing> |
I did an upgrade from current stable |
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<janhaa> |
...to make 10b1 work? |
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<jesterKing> |
templates, wiki-default and wiki-macros iirc |
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<jesterKing> |
yah, copy those to whereever they should go to |
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<janhaa> |
ok. i'll have a look |
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<jesterKing> |
there might be more to be copied, don't really remember |
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<janhaa> |
cool :) |
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<janhaa> |
thank oyu |
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<janhaa> |
you |
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<jesterKing> |
don't thank me just yet. First see to it you get it to work :) |
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<janhaa> |
it works. |
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<jesterKing> |
in that case, yw :) |
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<janhaa> |
:) |
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<gsmith> |
I would like to do some customization of my ticketing schema (in trac), as well as customization of the submit ticket page |
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<gsmith> |
Simple example: disable or remove the "Assign to field" from the submit screen (as it will be assigned by an admin) |
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<gsmith> |
Am I in the proper place to make such queries? |
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<webs> |
Hmm... I have a problem with "AccountManager" plugin. I have correctly installed the Plugin, and edit the trac.ini, but, it's not works :( |
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<cmlenz> |
edgewall.org down for anyone else? |
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<row> |
nope |
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<row> |
fine here |
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<cmlenz> |
looks like a colt f*kup |
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<jtoy> |
is there any reason why file uploads to trac would keep timing out? |
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<row> |
anyone know how to list tables in postgresql? |
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<row> |
h |
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<row> |
ah got it |
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<row> |
trac needs global persmissions really :( |
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<row> |
and project level ones |
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<tigger^> |
row: what would project level mean? |
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<tigger^> |
row: you mean a collection of repos? |
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<tigger^> |
+covering |
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<pacopablo> |
trac has project level permissions :) |
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<row> |
I know |
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<row> |
but not global |
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<row> |
tigger^ yes |
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<row> |
I have a global password file but still a bit lame I can't set a global admin to all repos |
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<blinx> |
hi |
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<blinx> |
how can i delete a site in a trac wiki? |
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<pacopablo> |
what do you mean by site? |
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<pacopablo> |
a wiki page? |
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<pacopablo> |
or a whole trac instance ? |
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<blinx> |
one page |
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<blinx> |
i am a newbie! |
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<pacopablo> |
if you have WIKI_DELETE privs, then there should be a "Delete this Page" button |
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<pacopablo> |
if you don't see the delete button at the bottom of the page, you don't have sufficient permissions |
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<blinx> |
pacopablo: ok, so i need an account? |
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<pacopablo> |
not necessarily |
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<pacopablo> |
though if you don't have an account, then the anonymous user needs to have WIKI_DELETE permissions |
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<pacopablo> |
which is probably not a good idea, so, in that sense, yes, you need an account |
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<row> |
Is there a way to change default permissions that get created by initenv? |
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<Hershel> |
The trac wiki mentions WYSIWYG editors, but I don't see anything clear. For my 0.1 trac is there a plug or a config I can set to get some sort of WYSIWYG editor? |
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<pacopablo> |
Mce plugin on trac-hacks.org |
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<Hershel> |
Great. Thanks. |
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<Hershel> |
One other issue I have is that even though I have TRAC_ADMIN rights, my RSS feed (with all options checked) seems only to send me feeds of changes I make. When others make edits I dont' see them. |
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<Hershel> |
RE: Mce plugin on trac-hacks.org, I have in /usr/share/trac/htdocs/ a dir called tinymce with tinymce code there, including the CSS file from the plugin. In trac.ini I have: |
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<Hershel> |
[components]trac.wiki.web_ui.WikiModule= disabled |
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<Hershel> |
[trac] |
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<Hershel> |
default_handler = TinyMceWikiPlugin |
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<Hershel> |
[components]webadmin.* = enableddefault_handler = TinyMceWikiPlugintrac.wiki.web_ui.WikiModule= disabled |
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<Hershel> |
Oh, whe I installed I got this: |
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<Hershel> |
# python setup.py installrunning install/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c2-py2.3.egg/setuptools/command/easy_install.py:174: UserWarning: Unbuilt egg for tinymcewiki [unknown version] (/home/trac/nemo2/tiny_mce) self.local_index = Environment(self.shadow_path+sys.path) |
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<Hershel> |
but in the end it said: |
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<Hershel> |
Installed /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/tinymcewiki-0.1-py2.3.eggProcessing dependencies for tinymcewiki==0.1 |
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<Hershel> |
I restarted httpd and when I edit a wiki page I see: No handler matched request to /wiki/xxx |
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<Hershel> |
any ideas? |
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<coderanger> |
row: That is in the works |
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<row> |
coderanger: cool |
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<coderanger> |
row: If you feel brave, read through the tracforge source |
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<coderanger> |
central perms and membership is mostly done |
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<row> |
I rather not mess with the code as at the moment it will update via apt nicely |
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<row> |
if I alter code I need to manage updates :P |
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row is a lazy git :P |
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<coderanger> |
No alteration needed |
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<coderanger> |
Its a plugin |
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<row> |
oh |
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<row> |
cool |
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<omry> |
how can I read a parameter from trac.ini? |
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<coderanger> |
0.9 or 0.10? |
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<row> |
does your plugin with with 0.9.6 coderanger? |
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<coderanger> |
row: no |
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<row> |
ah |
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<coderanger> |
row: By the time its finsihed 0.10 should be out, and it was easier to just start with the new APIs |
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<pacopablo> |
omry: env.config.get(section, option, default) |
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<omry> |
pacopablo, thanks. |
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<row> |
coderanger: you might be able to help me anyway, where can I edit the default perms that get populated into db when you create a env? |
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<coderanger> |
But you probably shouldnt |
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<row> |
I should not? |
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<coderanger> |
make a wrapper script about trac-admin initenv |
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<row> |
suppose |
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<coderanger> |
er,/usr/lib/python2.?/site-packages/trac/db_default.py |
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<row> |
ah perfect |
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row dislikes default milestones stuff too |
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<row> |
and versions etc |
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<coderanger> |
yeah |
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row removed all of that |
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<row> |
+ adds me as admin now :) |
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<row> |
good enough for the moment |
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<omry> |
pacopablo, is default optional? |
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<pacopablo> |
yes |
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<omry> |
is it acceptable to throw an exception if my parameters is missing? |
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<coderanger> |
from what? |
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<omry> |
from the plugin constructor |
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<omry> |
__init__ |
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<omry> |
__init__(self) |
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<coderanger> |
that doesnt get any parameters |
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<coderanger> |
just self |
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<omry> |
yes |
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<coderanger> |
just beware that it can leave the whole trac unusable |
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<coderanger> |
and that you can get some really cryptic error message depending on where things get inited |
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<omry> |
mhm |
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<omry> |
how do I fail my plugin gracefuly than? |
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<coderanger> |
Just have it either do nothing, or raise an error during the request |
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<omry> |
coderanger, thats too nasty.. |
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<omry> |
I think its a good idea to allow plugins to throw an exception in their __init__ to indicate that they failed to initialize |
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<coderanger> |
omry: You don't want to be storing the value anyway |
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<omry> |
why not? |
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<coderanger> |
omry: Its allowed, just a bad idea |
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<coderanger> |
Because plugins are initialized once when using anything other than CGI |
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<coderanger> |
Trac rereads the config as needed |
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<coderanger> |
so if someone changes the config and you have the value cached, your plugin wont see it until the server getrs restarted |
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<omry> |
I see. |
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<omry> |
my plugin runs every requerst hit, I want to notify the user that its not working if the parameter is missing |
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<omry> |
is it possible? |
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<row> |
how busy is the Trac-dev mailing list? |
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<cmlenz> |
pretty quiet normally |
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<row> |
k |
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<coderanger> |
in the req-filter, raise an error is the setting is None (i.e. not there) |
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<omry> |
coderanger, wont that fail the request? |
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<coderanger> |
yes |
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<coderanger> |
you just want it to do nothign but tell them? |
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<omry> |
coderanger, possibly maybe inject an error message to the html? |
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<omry> |
s/possibly/ |
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<coderanger> |
hrmm, thats hard with CS, though with Genshi it should be very easy |
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<coderanger> |
you could inject some HTML into hdf['trac.footer'] |
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<coderanger> |
make it an abs positioned div with the error |
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<omry> |
ah. think I`ll pass that for now. |
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<omry> |
when the admin interface will be integrated with the mainstream trac, it will be a good idea to allow (and encourage) plugins to indicate failure by throwing an exception with a message. the message can be displayed next to the plugin name in the admin interface, |
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<pacopablo> |
you can raise an exception with a message |
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<pacopablo> |
just raise TracError('error message') |
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<omry> |
I am talking about the infra structure. plugins can fail to start and it should be handled, and preferably displayed to the user in the admin section. |
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<pacopablo> |
ahh |
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<omry> |
I know the admin interface is not a part of the core now, so it makes no sense to refer to it. |
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<omry> |
maybe there should be some data model that will hold information about the failed plugins for it to use |
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<matt_good> |
omry: what reasons have you encountered that plugins fail to load? |
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<matt_good> |
trac should record errors loading plugins in the log |
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<omry> |
matt_good, I am writing a small plugin now. it can fail if there is a missing essential parameter |
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<coderanger> |
matt_good: Lack of some needed trac.ini directive |
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<matt_good> |
if it's missing the plugin completely fails to load, or it just doesn't work until you add the setting? |
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<jtoy> |
is there any reason why file uploads to trac would keep timing out? |
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<omry> |
matt_good, semantics |
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<jtoy> |
everything in tac works fine except for upload files |
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<omry> |
it can't work |
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<omry> |
I want to let the system know about it if I can |
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<omry |
