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September 16, 2006

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[02:09:31] <asmodai> Despite how much people might despise bdb, they're at least responsive maintainers.
[02:09:43] <asmodai> Sleepycat that is.
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[02:10:48] <asmodai> Morn Chris
[02:10:59] <asmodai> Wie geht's?
[02:10:59] <cmlenz> hi asmodai
[02:11:08] <cmlenz> gut
[02:11:20] <asmodai> Nice to hear ^^
[02:11:30] <asmodai> Saw you went with genshi as the name :)
[02:12:55] <coderanger> hmm, any decent French speakers around?
[02:13:05] <asmodai> coderanger: Un petit peu.
[02:13:17] <coderanger> http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracFrenchTranslation#Utilisationavecmod_python
[02:13:30] <coderanger> I know that shouldnt say its for Ubuntu only
[02:13:39] <coderanger> But I don't know enough French to edit it
[02:15:23] <asmodai> coderanger: I verified with a friend, just to make sure I am on the right track and indeed
[02:15:28] <asmodai> just take du type Ubuntu away
[02:15:47] <coderanger> okay :)
[02:15:49] <coderanger> thanky
[02:15:53] <asmodai> Pas de probleme. :P
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[02:18:59] <coderanger> heh, I only grok enough French to get myself in trouble
[02:19:12] <asmodai> voulez vous coucher avec moi doesn't count
[02:19:57] <coderanger> 6 years of Spanish + having a French stepmother
[02:20:36] <asmodai> coderanger: Que bueno!
[02:21:14] <coderanger> Everyone should just speak in Python :)
[02:21:41] <asmodai> no thanks
[02:21:58] <otaku42> coderanger: those "ssSSSssssSSsss" sounds are called a language nowadays?
[02:21:59] <asmodai> There's beauty in diversity.
[02:21:59] <nextime> asmodai : what about klingon? :P
[02:22:39] <coderanger> There would probably be holy wars over tabs versus spaces anyway
[02:22:39] <asmodai> nextime: I dislike Klingon, so rude. I prefer Sindarin or Quenta
[02:22:49] <asmodai> Quenya
[02:23:03] <coderanger> asmodai: And thanks to Unicode, you can type in all of them
[02:23:21] <asmodai> coderanger: Quenya and Sindarin weren't encoded were they?
[02:23:35] <asmodai> I know they do have iso 639 entries though
[02:23:52] <coderanger> http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/tengwar.html
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[02:24:45] <asmodai> Actually, given the amount of books written on the Lord of the Rings, including the history, it is only fair, especially given the literary value, to have them encoded.
[02:24:58] <asmodai> It has more research behind it than Klingon.
[02:25:34] <coderanger> http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/klingon.html ;-)
[02:28:37] <asmodai> Yeah, growl, sputter.
[02:29:18] <coderanger> I wonder why there isn't a glyph for "Oh god, why are they jabbing me with sharp things"
[02:31:08] <asmodai> I can't believe why they allow every freaking invented language to be registered
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[02:39:18] <coderanger> The don't
[02:39:27] <coderanger> ConScript is unofficial
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[02:41:14] <asmodai> I know, but a bunch of them have registered status
[02:41:33] <asmodai> always nice to see my name pass by
[02:41:34] <asmodai> Jeroen++
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[06:05:40] <asmodai> YES!
[06:05:48] <asmodai> now this is a good one versus spam:
[06:05:49] <asmodai> http://www.hotcaptcha.com/
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[06:30:44] <s0undt3ch> asmodai: well how about those who like them fatty ;)
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[06:39:30] <asmodai> s0undt3ch: Tough nookies
[06:39:32] <asmodai> }:)
[06:46:19] <s0undt3ch> lol
[06:46:41] * s0undt3ch actually likes them skinny ;)
[06:46:58] <asmodai> Sometimes I seriously wonder what kind of people work with the W3C
[06:47:00] <asmodai> I mean
[06:47:05] <asmodai> http-equiv="content-type"
[06:47:06] <asmodai> and
[06:47:19] <asmodai> http-equiv="Content-Style-Type"
[06:48:03] <asmodai> I guess keeping it lower case would've been too difficult or something.
[06:49:39] <s0undt3ch> case matters in those cases!?
[06:49:58] <asmodai> Not 100% sure.
[06:50:17] <s0undt3ch> if it does, then, stupid ppl
[06:50:21] <asmodai> s0undt3ch: just funny that http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html and the css standard show it with Camelcase
[06:51:07] <s0undt3ch> yeah, 2 sources can't be that wrong ;)
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[08:52:08] <rob86> how come `trac-admin /path permission remove anonymous *` doesnt remove all of anonymous' permissions? nothing happens. running 0.9.6
[09:13:36] <matt_good> rob86: because the shell expands "*" to the file names
[09:13:51] <matt_good> you need to put it in quotes if you run it on the command line
[09:14:39] <otaku42> in single quotes, iirc
[09:15:03] <matt_good> single or double, shouldn't matter
[09:18:26] <otaku42> i might be wrong, but i think it matters. stuff in double quotes is still expanded by the shell, while stuff in single quotes is passed "as is" (without expanding).
[09:18:51] <otaku42> erm... no.
[09:19:00] <otaku42> seems that i was wrong :)
[09:20:22] <matt_good> otaku42: it does make a difference for things like ``, so I usually put my SVN commit messages in single quotes so it doesn't get confused if I use `` for wiki formatting
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[09:23:00] <otaku42> matt_good: right. noticed that i was wrong when i tested it in a shell.
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[10:12:39] <omry> how do I change the logo of my env?
[10:17:54] <omry> I saw the logo options in the ini file. how can I make the banner relative to the env dir?
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[10:38:03] <matt_good> omry: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInterfaceCustomization#Logo
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[10:40:43] <omry> matt_good, thanks
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[11:14:06] <omry> can I link to revision in the repo browser?
[11:14:13] <omry> (without an absolute url)
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[12:08:48] <matt_good> omry: in any wiki-enabled area use r123 or [123] to link to the revision number
[12:09:54] <omry> matt_good, this is the change set
[12:10:01] <omry> I mean a link to the revision snapshot.
[12:10:16] <omry> like http://firefang.net/projects/firestats/browser?rev=19
[12:10:32] <matt_good> source:/path@123
[12:10:48] <omry> path?
[12:11:04] <matt_good> the path to whatever you're linking to
[12:11:32] <omry> in the repository?
[12:11:36] <omry> (svn
[12:11:36] <omry> )
[12:11:39] <matt_good> yes, a file or directory
[12:12:07] <omry> cool.
[12:12:15] <omry> thanks
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[13:03:33] <paranoidi> hmm.. anyone know where to find example how to get trac-post-commit hook into action ..
[13:03:54] <paranoidi> just copying it to hooks and setting execute doesn't seem to do the trick ;P
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[13:07:36] <coderanger> read the file
[13:09:35] <paranoidi> I have, it's not helpful
[13:10:00] <coderanger> "It should be called from the 'post-commit' script in Subversion, such as via:"
[13:10:12] <coderanger> And then gives an example of what to put in post-commit-hook
[13:10:44] <paranoidi> and that doghsit is executable bash script? oh ;P
[13:11:27] <coderanger> not actually bash specific, but yes
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[13:20:36] <asmodai> bash specific script suck, mmmkay?
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[13:25:19] <Marlun> Is it possible to run Trac on windoes with IIS 6?
[13:26:47] <Jedirl> trac maybe
[13:26:50] <Jedirl> but svn won't
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[13:29:24] <Marlun> ah :/
[13:30:58] <coderanger> Jedirl: Sure you can
[13:32:02] <Jedirl> HTTP SVN with IIS?
[13:32:12] <Jedirl> mod_svn is ported to isapi? didn't know
[13:32:35] <coderanger> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracOnWindowsIis6
[13:32:41] <coderanger> Jedirl: No, svnserve
[13:32:47] <Jedirl> didn't mean trac itself
[13:32:56] <Jedirl> I was talking about http svn :)
[13:33:21] <coderanger> DAV isn't the only RA ;-)
[13:36:30] <Marlun> ah, thanks for the information coderanger :)
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[14:03:06] <paranoidi> uhh.. ok, I tried that post-hook script .. but I get error: ImportError: No module named Notify
[14:03:54] <paranoidi> I need some lib into my python site lib .. but what? ;P
[14:07:23] <paranoidi> hmmh, judging from the source (from trac.env import open_environment) I should have lib trac .. but running python>> dir(trac) returns error ;P
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[14:13:14] <razor> did you import it first?
[14:13:45] <paranoidi> ah, there were buggy script in 10b1 .. got one that works from svn
[14:14:29] <paranoidi> but on completely different matter, I got my SVN repository corrupted .. got it working after running svnadmin repair
[14:15:25] <paranoidi> I'm assuming this is because of Trac uses SVN from filesystem level ...
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[14:16:24] <paranoidi> and I use it from svn:// ... and from what I have readed/learned on first hand. It is not advicable to use SVN repository from file level and from somewhere else. Leads to data corruption ;P
[14:16:57] <Jedirl> well
[14:16:59] <Jedirl> trac just reads it, right?
[14:17:58] <paranoidi> That's what I thought too .. still, it's a bit scary happening right after installing trac ;P
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[14:33:11] <asmodai> mmm
[14:33:19] <asmodai> so lilo passed away
[14:36:14] <nextime> yes, and seem that he's economic situation wasn't so good, and he leave here a son that suffer of autism, maybe freenode will organize a found raising in favour of lilo's wife
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[16:01:51] <s0undt3ch> funny thing
[16:01:57] <s0undt3ch> pacopablo: arround?
[16:02:17] <pacopablo> sppoky, just hopped on
[16:02:33] <s0undt3ch> lol, my wikitemplates plugin needs to upgrade databse
[16:02:52] <s0undt3ch> and I kinda copied trac's upgrade method
[16:03:12] <s0undt3ch> but since one of my trac envs is using pgsql, I'm getting:
[16:03:17] <s0undt3ch> Command failed: Can only backup sqlite databases
[16:03:34] <s0undt3ch> and that was for `trac-admin /var/lib/trac/ISPManCCP/ upgrade`
[16:03:58] <pacopablo> so you need to do: trac-admin /var/lib/trac/ISPManCCP/ upgrade --no-backup
[16:04:36] <s0undt3ch> hmmm, non sqlite users should use that --no-backup flag
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[16:04:59] <s0undt3ch> ok, I think I'll have to add info somewhere
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[16:05:27] <s0undt3ch> pacopablo: maybe trac could implement a db dump backup?
[16:05:29] <pacopablo> well, it's in the main documentation for how to upgrade an environment
[16:05:37] <pacopablo> s0undt3ch: nah, too complex
[16:06:04] <pacopablo> fact is, is that if you're using POstgreSQL, you'll be able to do a db dump easily before running trac-admin
[16:06:36] <s0undt3ch> yeah, but trac could also do that ;)
[16:06:46] <pacopablo> not as well as pg_dump can
[16:07:09] <s0undt3ch> can't the pg python bindings use pg_dump?
[16:07:31] <pacopablo> pg python bindings are just DBAPI2
[16:07:48] <pacopablo> the way trac backups up the sqlite db is simply by copying it
[16:08:01] <pacopablo> but you obviously can't do that with postgresql, or mysql for that matter
[16:08:04] <s0undt3ch> hmmm, then there's no access to an "equal" pg_dump action
[16:08:14] <pacopablo> not really
[16:08:15] <s0undt3ch> yeah, of course ;)
[16:08:31] <s0undt3ch> ok, then I'll do a pg_dump
[16:08:35] <pacopablo> one could supply the path for pg_dump and it could be called
[16:08:49] <s0undt3ch> yep one could
[16:08:51] <pacopablo> but then you'll have to adapt for mysql dump, etc.
[16:09:02] <s0undt3ch> dump_cmd =
[16:09:08] <s0undt3ch> dump_args =
[16:09:26] <coderanger> s0undt3ch: Its really just not worth
[16:09:36] <s0undt3ch> then info somewhere on how to use that for pg or mysql
[16:09:37] <coderanger> s0undt3ch: There are too many ways to backup a DB
[16:09:43] <s0undt3ch> coderanger: yeah, I get the point
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[16:10:01] <alus> when a parameter is deleted, it would be nice to log the previous value
[16:10:12] <coderanger> what kind of parameter?
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[16:10:34] <alus> for exmaple, when a parameter is changed, it says "- owner changed from Jesus to Nemo"
[16:10:42] <alus> but here I see "- milestone deleted"
[16:10:46] <alus> what was the old milestone?
[16:10:51] <s0undt3ch> perhaps add "Check your database documentation to backup(dump) your database." to "Can only backup sqlite databases"
[16:10:54] <coderanger> The old value is stored,
[16:11:10] <coderanger> alus: The UI just doesn't show it
[16:11:21] <coderanger> alus: You can use TicketDelete to show the full changelog
[16:11:29] <s0undt3ch> ie "Can only backup sqlite databases. Check your database documentation to backup(dump) your database."
[16:11:34] <alus> coderanger: how?
[16:11:40] <s0undt3ch> just an idea
[16:11:41] <coderanger> alus: Go into delete changes
[16:11:44] <gmoore> hello. i'm trying to install trac for the first time and i must be missing something. i downloaded the latest stable build to my gentoo system, extracted it, and ran the python setup script. it installed the trac files to /usr/share/trac. next i ran "trac-admin /var/www/localhost/trac initenv" and set up my environment (postgresql db, path to my svn repos., etc). now, it's finished, and i have a directory (var/www/localhost
[16:11:55] <coderanger> s0undt3ch: Open a ticket, that sounds like a fair compromise
[16:12:23] <gmoore> sorry for the long explanation, but my question is -- what am i doing wrong / misunderstanding, and how do i set up trac to work with apache 2.x on my system?
[16:12:45] <coderanger> gmoore: What frontend are you trying to use?
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[16:16:33] <gmoore> coderanger: it doesn't come with one?
[16:16:39] <coderanger> @frontend
[16:16:39] <evil_twin> coderanger: "frontend" is CGI, FastCGI, mod_python, or tracd
[16:16:59] <gmoore> oh, i see what you mean. cgi or fastcgi is probably easiest, i dont have mod_py installed
[16:17:00] <coderanger> And WSGI for 0.10b too
[16:17:15] <coderanger> Read the TracFastCgi page then ;-)
[16:18:55] <gmoore> so the trac environment made with trac-admin shouldn't be in the apache webdir?
[16:19:42] <coderanger> doesn't need to be
[16:19:57] <coderanger> I put mine at /var/www/<vhost>/tracs/<tracname>
[16:20:05] <coderanger> But its totally up to you
[16:27:38] <s0undt3ch> pacopablo: what's a good pg_dump command/args to be able to completely restore a db from a dump?
[16:29:43] <pacopablo> pg_dump -F p -f dumpfile -c -h hostname -U username database
[16:30:40] <s0undt3ch> pacopablo: thanks
[16:30:57] <s0undt3ch> pacopablo: do you advide -F t (tar'it)
[16:31:01] <s0undt3ch> *advise
[16:31:37] <pacopablo> it doesn't really matter
[16:31:41] <pacopablo> tar is fine
[16:31:50] <pacopablo> I tend to like the whole thing in one plain text file
[16:33:06] <s0undt3ch> ok, just wondering
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[16:38:18] <s0undt3ch> coderanger: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3740
[16:38:46] <coderanger> I would target it to 0.11 so it doesn't get lost ;-)
[16:39:04] <s0undt3ch> k
[16:39:28] <s0undt3ch> done
[16:40:53] <coderanger> I personally think it should either not care for !sqlite, or default to an interactive "Are you sure you want to do this?", with a -f option to bypass it
[16:42:16] <s0undt3ch> coderanger: then add that to the ticket ;)
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[16:43:39] <s0undt3ch> trac.util.markup is gone?
[16:43:45] <s0undt3ch> hmm, need to update plug
[16:44:13] <coderanger> trac.util.html
[16:44:24] <s0undt3ch> l8ter, now I need to get home and get some sleep
[16:44:26] <s0undt3ch> coderanger: thanks
[16:44:30] <coderanger> name was changed to avoid conflicts with Markup (now Genshi)
[16:45:40] <s0undt3ch> so, instead of 'from trac.util.markup import html' one does 'from trac.util.html import html' or 'from trac.util import html'?
[16:45:58] <s0undt3ch> nevermind, I'll dig into that
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[17:05:51] <gmoore> okay, i set up my trac installation, set up my postgres database, made my environment, and set up apache correctly. i can now go to localhost/trac and get the wiki main page. if i try to login though i get an internal error about not being able to get auth info.
[17:07:22] <JimPanic> gmoore: Have you got the ubernice DbAuth plugin installed? Afaik it only works via that way.
[17:07:40] <gmoore> oh. no i do not have that. are there instructions on how to set it up?
[17:07:57] <JimPanic> Don't know, sorry :\
[17:08:05] <gmoore> also im getting some errors about trac having permission denied on my svn repo -- my repo is owned by svn/svnusers, and apache is in the svnusers group. so shouldn't that work?
[17:08:07] <JimPanic> It's a task I've gotta do soon, too :)
[17:09:10] <gmoore> oh oops nevermind... i forgot to restart apache after changing his group
[17:09:18] <JimPanic> Hah
[17:09:33] <gmoore> okay. and one last quick question -- im looking at the default wiki front page. how do i add my own article? i don't see any links for that.
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[17:13:01] <el_cubano> Hello. I am having the worst time in getting a plugin to work.
[17:13:14] <el_cubano> No matter what I do, it simply does not work.
[17:13:35] <pacopablo> what are you doing?
[17:13:52] <el_cubano> Implementing a plugin to email notification of wiki page changes.
[17:17:13] <gmoore> err -- im not sure if i understand how to make accounts. the guide says to use htpasswd/htaccess -- isnt this just going to authenticate with apache and let the user open the /trac/ directory, not log them into the wiki/etc?
[17:17:24] <el_cubano> At this point, I have created a module which imports * from trac.core and IWikiChangeListener from trac.wiki.api.
[17:17:45] <el_cubano> The class then inherits from Component and implements the IWikiChangeListener interface.
[17:19:25] <el_cubano> Then, each of the four methods implemented from IWikiChangeListener simply run os.system('touch /tmp/trac-test') so that I can verify that they are actually being called. Of course, none are being called, no matter how many changes/additions/deletions I make to the wiki pages.
[17:20:07] <el_cubano> gmoore: The HTTP headers from apache contain the username with which the user authenticated. Trac uses to that to decide the identity of the user.
[17:20:17] <gmoore> oh, i see.
[17:24:20] <gmoore> okay, thanks. i got it to work. ("logged in as admin")
[17:24:46] <gmoore> do i need to use trac-admin to set up the wiki so that new pages can be added etc?
[17:26:01] <el_cubano> That depends. IIRC, by default, anonymous users are allowed to create pages. So, if you password protect your site with apache's authentication, then anyone who gets past that will also be able to create pages, since authenticated users inherit anonymous user permissions,.
[17:26:36] <gmoore> well, stupid question, but how do you create a page then? i dont see a link to :(
[17:27:32] <el_cubano> You type in the desired link in the address bar and it will find the page is non-existent and ask you if you would like to create it.
[17:27:43] <el_cubano> http://trac.foo.tld/wiki/NewPage
[17:27:47] <el_cubano> Something like that.
[17:28:29] <gmoore> oh i see
[17:31:37] <gmoore> is there a way to add ALL permissions when using trac-admin?
[17:31:51] <gmoore> i'd like to remove all permissions from anonymous and grant all to admin and go from there
[17:35:10] <el_cubano> Yes, read the documentation on permissions. It accepts wild cards.
[17:35:37] <gmoore> okay. and for setting up things like components, milestones, etc, do i use trac-admin as well?
[17:35:58] <el_cubano> Not sure. I am not that advanced yet :-)
[17:36:00] <el_cubano> Still learning.
[17:36:56] <gmoore> okay, thanks
[17:37:38] <gmoore> pretty cool how the svn commits and everything show up in trac
[17:42:37] <el_cubano> Hmm. I think I figured out how to get it to load the plugin, but I get lots of "PythonHandler trac.web.modpython_frontend: OverflowError: signed integer is greater than maximum" errors in the log
[17:43:00] <el_cubano> This also results in the pages not loading and Apache just displaying an "Internal Server Error" message
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[17:45:33] <el_cubano> OK. This is really beginning to aggravate me.
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[18:32:05] <gmoore> how do you use wildcards with permissions? i don't see it in the TracPermissions doc
[18:32:44] <el_cubano> Removing Permissions �
[18:32:50] <el_cubano> trac-admin /path/to/projenv permission remove bob *
[18:32:58] <el_cubano> trac-admin /path/to/projenv permission remove * REPORT_ADMIN
[18:34:02] <gmoore> oh the doc on edgewall.org has that... i was looking at my local copy
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[19:25:55] <coderanger> gmoore: BTW, you don't need the DbAuth plugin
[19:32:33] <coderanger> Just force HTTP authentication on the /login path
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[19:58:37] <el_cubano> Anyone still about?
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[20:45:54] <omry> when adding a version, I am trying to set a data: I get an error with: ValueError: 16/09/2006 is not a known date format.
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[21:51:01] <X-Rob> omry, try it in american format. 09/16/2006
[21:51:13] <omry> X-Rob, I tried
[21:51:14] <omry> no god.
[21:51:16] <omry> no good.
[21:51:21] <X-Rob> Wierd.
[21:51:28] <omry> yes.
[21:51:35] <X-Rob> I know american date format pisses me off no end, but I just avoid using it.
[21:51:45] <X-Rob> Sorry. You'll probably have to wait until one of the devs wakes up
[21:51:51] <omry> sure.
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