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September 22, 2006

[00:21:19] <s0undt3ch> there now I'm done for the day -> http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users/browse_thread/thread/e6cd7553c66eb3f3/ca6f113f95fd5ffc#ca6f113f95fd5ffc
[00:21:32] <s0undt3ch> see you all tomorrow
[00:21:53] <s0undt3ch> or better http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users/browse_thread/thread/e6cd7553c66eb3f3/ca6f113f95fd5ffc
[00:22:50] <cboos> hello, anyone around?
[00:23:13] <cboos> matt_good: do you have 5 minutes?
[00:23:25] <prologic> hrmm
[00:23:49] <prologic> alect, when you've got a min need to ask about tinymce and tags
[00:24:03] <prologic> wonder where I can find Michael Parker
[00:25:58] * cboos needs an extra pair of eyeballs, anyone volunteers? (I'll give them back after use)
[00:27:20] <prologic> you got a good optic nerve ?
[00:27:23] <prologic> I'll swap you for that :)
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[03:16:41] <cboos> cmlenz: hi, is the rc1 planned for today?
[03:16:58] <cmlenz> dunno, I think it is
[03:17:14] <cboos> jonas will do it, then?
[03:17:47] <cmlenz> we normally work together on it
[03:18:00] <cboos> Ok, maybe I'll be able to help a bit this evening (I think we need to update a few Wiki pages)
[03:18:13] <cmlenz> cool
[03:18:21] <cboos> also, did you have a look at #3504 this morning?
[03:18:32] <cboos> (the last patch I added there)
[03:19:13] <cboos> I've been stress-testing that the whole morning, and it *seems* to be solid.
[03:20:10] <cmlenz> I didn't look closely, but at first glance it looked okay
[03:21:13] <cboos> yep, I think it's a bit problematic we didn't address #3504 earlier...
[03:22:45] <cboos> I hope the change has no bad side effects... especially on configurations I didn't test (i.e. all but tracd/pysqlite)
[03:23:21] <cboos> well, feedback on rc1 will tell ;)
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[03:25:57] <tuxipuxi> now that you're two here.. have you considered keeping the current non-interactive initenv command for compability reasons? there will be quite some people using it from within scripts and don't immediately notice that the parameter list has changed
[03:26:30] <cboos> was it supposed to be removed?
[03:26:59] <tuxipuxi> it doesn't (didn't?) appear in trac-admin help
[03:27:16] <cboos> ah...
[03:30:20] <cmlenz> so you suggest we change the initenv args to not expect the version control type arg?
[03:32:18] <tuxipuxi> what about two initenv commands, old and new-style?
[03:33:30] <cmlenz> with different names? ouch
[03:33:55] <cmlenz> one thing to consider is that initenv is going to be completely changed for 0.11
[03:34:18] <cmlenz> there'll be no interactive mode anymore, and what are arguments now will be implemented as (optional) options
[03:35:01] <cmlenz> we could rename the command to "init" then and keep "initenv" for backwards compatibility, but if we'd add another initenv command now that'll be a huge mess
[03:35:47] <tuxipuxi> or would it be possible to add repostype as the last parameter and let it default to svn? a little bit ugly too, but avoids adding another command
[03:36:30] <cmlenz> that'd be an option, but would break initenv for anyone who's already updated their scripts for 0.10dev :-P
[03:37:59] <s0undt3ch> rc1 on the way :) Great!
[03:38:00] <tuxipuxi> initenv/init would do that too ;-)
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[03:40:07] <cmlenz> ?
[03:40:17] <cmlenz> well, we're causing breakage any way
[03:40:47] <cmlenz> the question is how many people are running <0.10dev vs >=0.10dev
[03:41:04] <cmlenz> so which breakage is going to cause more harm
[03:45:27] * asmodai watches the lazaridis suggestions flow in
[03:45:47] <asmodai> cmlenz: I'm on svn for trac.tendra.org ;)
[03:46:09] <tuxipuxi> IMO people using trunk or beta software may not expect the same level of compability as those who always use stable releases. after all it's not a big deal, only one line to change, but if you're upgrading without reviewing the changes you'll be surprised. maybe a bold note int he upgrade notes is sufficient
[03:47:43] <cmlenz> true
[03:47:56] <cmlenz> yeah, I think adding it to the UPGRADE file would be a good idea
[03:48:13] <cmlenz> especially considering that code changes so close to the release scare me :-P
[03:48:44] <cmlenz> cboos: you didn't test the pool code with pgsql?
[03:49:48] * asmodai grins widely
[03:49:51] <asmodai> live on the edge!
[03:53:27] <cmlenz> :-)
[03:54:34] <The_Tick> the spamfilter doesn't work on .9x, so I'd assume a lot of the public trac installs are using .10dev or some variation
[03:56:02] <tuxipuxi> cmlenz, btw, what's the policy on changing the trac.ini settings? for how long are the trac.ini files of one release compatible with newer releases without adding any newly introduced settings?
[03:56:46] <tuxipuxi> like e.g. new settings in the [notifications] group
[03:57:40] <cmlenz> technically, we don't make any compatibility guarantees whatsoever
[03:57:41] <cmlenz> :-)
[03:57:47] <cmlenz> the luxury of being < 1.0
[03:57:53] <The_Tick> hmm
[03:58:03] <The_Tick> that kinda sucks ;)
[03:58:13] <cmlenz> in practice, I don't think there's ever been a backwards-incompatible change to trac.ini handling between released version
[03:58:15] <The_Tick> does the upgrade retain a backup of the users trac.ini?
[03:58:16] <cmlenz> versions, even
[03:58:27] <cmlenz> trac.ini isn't touched by the upgrade
[03:59:14] <cmlenz> if we make substantial changes to trac.ini in some future release, automated upgrade of the file will be provided, and a backup be made
[03:59:24] <tuxipuxi> great
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[04:39:46] <coderanger> You know what would be really nice, if you could make it so you _had_ to preview tickets and ticket comments
[05:11:37] <prologic> You know what would be even nicer :) If I could find a way to get the Tags plugin to work with TinyMCE :)
[05:11:46] <prologic> THe Taggins support is gone now :/
[05:18:11] <coderanger> Yeah, tags replaces the wiki templates
[05:18:18] <coderanger> thats how there is a new box
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[05:54:57] <__doc__> hi, how can I export all of the trac data into plain files like xml? (and import it again)
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[06:07:11] <coderanger> just dump the SQL database
[06:07:25] <coderanger> for sqlite use the .dump command
[06:09:16] <__doc__> hrm, alright (/me wonders how to handle migration from one db to another, ohwell)
[06:13:07] <coderanger> There is a script to do sqlite->postgres
[06:13:22] <coderanger> and there a plugin to move data between tracs
[06:17:05] <coderanger> cmlenz: Whee, got bitten working :)
[06:21:15] <cmlenz> cool :-)
[06:21:28] <coderanger> though only one of my two build slaves is working
[06:21:35] <coderanger> http://sdd.coderanger.net/projects/amadeus/build/trunk_tests
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[06:36:38] <mitsuhiko> hoi __doc__
[06:36:51] <__doc__> mitsuhiko: oy mitsuhiko
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[07:36:36] <prologic> Does anyone know of a shared calendaring plugin we ca use for trac ?
[07:36:53] <prologic> to help with team availablty, sceduling etc ?
[07:37:42] <coderanger> None that I know of
[07:37:52] <coderanger> Feel free to write one :)
[07:38:08] <prologic> :)
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[07:43:19] <prologic> is there anything we could use ?
[07:43:31] <coderanger> Google calendar?
[07:43:38] <prologic> I know a plugin doesn't exist, but can we use other plugins and come up with something that might work
[07:43:40] <coderanger> cmlenz: Around?
[07:43:50] <cmlenz> yeah
[07:44:13] <coderanger> My build-master seems to only be queing builds for the first system config
[07:44:34] <coderanger> Even though both can bind succesfully
[07:45:15] <cmlenz> hm
[07:45:19] <cmlenz> are you using trunk?
[07:45:33] <coderanger> yeah
[07:45:51] <coderanger> maybe I should back off to 0.5.3?
[07:46:31] <cmlenz> there was one change I probably shouldn't have committed: http://bitten.cmlenz.net/changeset/363
[07:46:37] <cmlenz> everything outside the changelog file
[07:46:53] <cmlenz> you *may* want to try reverting those changes
[07:46:57] <cmlenz> sorry about the mess :-P
[07:48:41] <coderanger> Lemme see if both activate if I use --build-all
[07:52:13] <cmlenz> that option is not completely implemented... if you can come up with a patch I'd be most grateful :-P
[07:52:39] <cmlenz> the intention is to not to build older revs unless --build-all is enabled
[07:52:55] <coderanger> Well its now slowly going back and building everything on the other slave (which is okay since its just unit tests
[07:53:41] <coderanger> I'll look at figuring it out later
[07:53:51] <coderanger> bitten looks like a pretty nice system aoverall though :)
[07:54:27] <cmlenz> yeah, I think it has some potential
[07:54:38] <cmlenz> but it needs more "being worked on" :-P
[07:54:59] <coderanger> Sounds familiar ;-)
[07:55:35] <asmodai> cmlenz: http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/self-contained-xss-attacks/
[07:59:37] <cmlenz> asmodai: and?
[07:59:46] <asmodai> cmlenz: Pure info :D
[08:00:00] <cmlenz> I like the comment "2001 called, they want their exploit back." ;-)
[08:00:20] <cmlenz> that doesn't work in trac in case you wondered
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[08:01:34] <sergiomb> hi a quick question how I add 2 email on CC
[08:01:45] <coderanger> sergiomb: comma
[08:01:53] <sergiomb> don't work
[08:01:59] <coderanger> user1, user2
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[08:02:26] <sergiomb> hum so not email , but users ?
[08:02:48] <coderanger> user@example.com, user2@example.com
[08:02:59] <coderanger> works either way
[08:03:09] <foxpaul> hi all. in the list of report types under the view tickets menu, someone has sent me some sql to produce a new report - does anyone know how i add an item to that list?
[08:04:16] <cmlenz> using the "Add Report" button? :-P
[08:04:27] <cmlenz> (you need REPORT_ADMIN permissions to see that)
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[08:08:30] <sergiomb> coderanger: don't work again
[08:09:07] <coderanger> sergiomb: Have you tired this with the current 0.10 beta?
[08:09:52] <sergiomb> no
[08:10:08] <sergiomb> Powered by Trac 0.9
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[08:10:18] <coderanger> 0.9 is very old
[08:10:27] <coderanger> 0.9.6 is the current, but I would try upgrading
[08:10:32] <coderanger> (to 0.10 that is)
[08:10:52] <sergiomb> I can't
[08:11:00] <sergiomb> i am just a user
[08:11:25] <coderanger> What site is this?
[08:14:21] <sergiomb> is a intra site
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[08:20:08] <coderanger> I would talk to the server admin then
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[08:30:56] <sergiomb> coderanger: yap, anyway thanks
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[08:54:39] <foxpaul> cmlenz, ah, i dont have that it seems - how do i enable that?
[08:55:16] <cmlenz> @permissions
[08:55:16] <evil_twin> cmlenz: "permissions" is See http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracPermissions for information on built-in permissions
[08:55:31] <foxpaul> cmlenz, thaks
[08:55:34] <foxpaul> thanks *
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[09:02:02] <jtoy> is there a way to add a new resolution?
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[09:02:53] <jtoy> I cant find it in the gui,
[09:03:02] <jtoy> I mean to add somethint else besides duplicate and worksforme
[09:04:12] <cmlenz> nope, currently not
[09:04:25] <cmlenz> it's being worked on though, on the workflow branch
[09:04:28] <cmlenz> @workflow
[09:04:28] <evil_twin> cmlenz: Error: "workflow" is not a valid command.
[09:04:42] <cmlenz> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WorkFlow
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[09:05:41] <CapNemo> hello folks :)
[09:06:03] <jtoy> cmlenz: do you know when that will be added in
[09:06:15] <cmlenz> when it's ready
[09:06:18] <cmlenz> it's planned for 0.11
[09:06:56] <CapNemo> is it normal that i have the trac running very well except for the root ??!
[09:07:01] <CapNemo> like here ->> http://trac.open-aero.org/
[09:07:31] <Marlun> Is it possible to change the way dates are shown and entered in Trac? The MM/DD/YY is weird for a swede like me :P
[09:07:46] <cmlenz> Marlun: FAQ
[09:07:49] <cmlenz> @faq
[09:07:49] <evil_twin> cmlenz: (faq <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "Factoids whatis $1".
[09:07:52] <cmlenz> bah
[09:08:14] <Marlun> :) ok will check it, hehe
[09:08:31] <cmlenz> CapNemo: no that's not normal ;-)
[09:08:57] <CapNemo> cmlenz, eehh ;) any idea to fix that ?
[09:09:00] <nextime> Marlun : you only need to change your timezone settings, not necessary on whole system, it is enought to change it only for apache
[09:09:28] <nextime> ops
[09:09:33] <nextime> s/timezone/language/
[09:09:42] <cmlenz> CapNemo: running mod_python?
[09:10:27] <cmlenz> if so, tried the TracUriRoot setting?
[09:10:29] <CapNemo> nop fastcgi
[09:10:45] <cmlenz> lighty?
[09:11:47] <CapNemo> yup
[09:12:03] <cmlenz> maybe related: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1305
[09:14:59] <CapNemo> mmm even http://trac.open-aero.org/wiki gives wrong link to timeline and so on ...
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[09:18:15] <Marlun> hmmm first I added SetEnv LC_TIME "sv_SE" in the <Location /trac></Location> in the apache conf, restarted apache, didn't work. Then I tested adding PythonOption TracLocale "sv_SE.UTF-8" to the <Location /trac> but that didn't work either. And nothing is shown when I do "localedef --list-archive".
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[09:32:25] <CapNemo> damned ! its working only if I put trac at /trac
[09:32:40] <CapNemo> it seems that / is a problem
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[09:50:57] <cmlenz> matt_good: did http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/3762 break the test_custom_field_select unit test?
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[09:53:00] <matt_good> cmlenz: yeah, it looks like it did
[09:53:10] <cmlenz> jonas just fixed it :-)
[09:53:22] <matt_good> ah
[09:54:34] <jborg> Howdy, we need some help testing the rc1 tarball: www.edgewall.com/~jonas/trac-0.10rc1.tar.gz
[09:55:42] <alect> is that just latest trunk, or are there extra modifications?
[09:57:00] <jborg> Just latest trunk, but the tarball can still be different if the MANIFEST isn't up to date for example...
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[09:57:21] <alect> ok, i'll give it a try
[09:57:50] <matt_good> cmlenz: well, I added another test case for the case where the select field is optional now
[09:58:32] <cmlenz> cool, thx
[10:00:03] <alect> jborg: running on trac-hacks, installed cleanly
[10:00:14] <alect> not much of a test really, no surprises
[10:00:24] <asmodai> alect: did you saw those tracker comments @ python.org
[10:00:51] <alect> nope...
[10:00:52] <asmodai> Marlun: Some Linux OSes require a package to be installed for the locales
[10:01:04] <asmodai> http://www.stopminingtibet.com/
[10:01:09] <asmodai> gah, wrong buffer
[10:01:25] <cmlenz> windows users, please test: http://www.edgewall.org/~cmlenz/trac-0.10rc1.win32.exe
[10:01:33] <asmodai> http://wiki.python.org/moin/AndrewKuchling/TrackerNotes
[10:03:09] <alect> hhmm
[10:03:20] <alect> i noticed that view active tickets thing...strange
[10:03:51] <jborg> looks like the tarball is missing a bunch of "tests"-directories
[10:07:30] <cmlenz> doh
[10:07:34] <jborg> An updated version of the tarball is now available from the same url
[10:09:30] <cmlenz> windows version seems to work nicely
[10:10:55] <cmlenz> windows tarballs updated too
[10:11:50] <jborg> yeah, I think we're ready now.
[10:13:29] <cmlenz> tests now work on windows from the zip too
[10:13:31] <cmlenz> so, yeah
[10:13:39] <cmlenz> I think we can release this baby
[10:13:55] <jborg> yeah, I'll create the tag
[10:15:28] <jborg> done
[10:15:35] <tigger^> This is 0.10, or 0.10rc1 you're releasing?
[10:16:16] <jborg> rc1
[10:16:28] <jborg> 0.10 will be on Monday (hopefully)
[10:16:41] <tigger^> Awesome :)
[10:16:51] <tigger^> Looking forward to bzr goodness ;)
[10:20:22] <cmlenz> all done!(?)
[10:20:43] <alect> heh
[10:22:30] <jborg> Yeah, I think so
[10:25:22] <cmlenz> very nice
[10:25:26] <cmlenz> two releases today :-D
[10:26:13] <pacopablo> alect: have you retired the sqlite2pg script?
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[10:29:26] <alect> no paco, sorry :(
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[10:29:34] <pacopablo> slacker! :0
[10:29:38] <alect> no time recently :(
[10:29:41] <pacopablo> s/:0/:)
[10:29:58] <pacopablo> probably give me some excuse about how google is keeping yoiu busy and stuff
[10:29:59] <alect> only just got a table on which to put my computer :\
[10:30:03] <alect> heh
[10:30:27] <alect> my whole life is in flux at the moment, not just my career...
[10:30:32] <alect> hopefully it will all settle down soon
[10:30:34] <pacopablo> it'a alright, just want to work out the bugs
[10:30:38] <alect> yeah
[10:30:46] <alect> i might get some time tomorrow, i'll let you know
[10:30:49] <alect> i'm keen to ditch sqlite
[10:31:01] <alect> the db locked errors are very annoying
[10:33:26] <exarkun> fwiw, I develop a highly concurrent application backed by sqlite and the locking errors have been easy to deal with.
[10:33:39] <exarkun> so I don't think you necessarily need to abandon sqlite in order to resolve that problem.
[10:33:54] <exarkun> being able to deploy a trac server /without/ setting up pgsql or something else is pretty nice, too.
[10:34:12] <alect> well, patches welcome :)
[10:34:33] <alect> there has been much discussion on the locking issues, but no real concrete solutions afaik
[10:34:33] <cmlenz> exarkun: are you using the sqlite DBAPI directly or using some kind of abstraction?
[10:34:50] <cmlenz> i.e. alchemy or some such
[10:35:25] <exarkun> An abstraction, of course. That's where I deal with the locking issues. :)
[10:35:51] <cmlenz> but that's sqlite specific?
[10:35:55] <exarkun> fwiw, http://divmod.org/trac/browser/trunk/Axiom/axiom/_pysqlite2.py
[10:36:23] <cmlenz> ah
[10:37:03] <alect> interesting
[10:37:46] * cmlenz stuffes that link into his "interesting" bookmark folder :-P
[10:38:15] <alect> heh, same here
[11:02:16] <Marlun> Nice :)
[11:02:22] <Marlun> asmodai: thanks for the tip
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[11:03:06] <Marlun> Had to download some packages for it to work, now I changed it with the PythonOption TracLocale "sv_SE.UTF-8" line.
[11:03:06] <asmodai> Marlun: Det är inte problem (I think)
[11:05:22] <Marlun> :) no problem?
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[11:42:40] <asmodai> mmm
[11:42:59] <asmodai> Lazaridis offering his services again
[11:43:07] <asmodai> Marlun: I know norsk 'ikke noe problem'
[11:43:15] <asmodai> Marlun: Was unsure of svenska
[11:46:41] <asmodai> cmlenz: Correct me if wrong, but your email reads: 0.11 features Genshi, if you have CS, CS plugins still work.
[11:47:10] <cmlenz> yeah, that's correct
[11:50:45] <asmodai> ok
[11:51:22] <asmodai> str.split(). The separator, is that like a RE [] separator, e.g. split(ab) and it will split on either a or b or more a literal string split?
[11:51:52] <asmodai> My guess from what I am observing is a literal string split.
[11:52:57] <asmodai> Mmm, crap, looks like it.
[11:53:04] <cmlenz> it splits on anything that's whitespace IIUC
[11:53:36] <asmodai> cmlenz: ah sorry, I mean str.split(sep)
[11:53:59] <asmodai> cmlenz: I need to verify if the () or None case splits on a multitude of Unicode whitespace though. =\
[11:55:38] <asmodai> ok crap it doesn't.
[11:55:46] <asmodai> whitespace = ' \t\n\r\v\f'
[11:55:57] <asmodai> Whereas whitespace in Unicode is a tad bit longer than that
[12:01:31] <cmlenz> yeah
[12:06:00] <exarkun> there's some crazy unicode whitespace :/ HAIR SPACE... IDEOGRAPHIC SPACE... MEDIUM MATHEMATICAL SPACE...
[12:07:21] <asmodai> I got the list
[12:07:35] <asmodai> basically: \u0009\u000a\u000b\u000c\u000d\u0020\u0085\u00a0\u1680\u180e\u2000\u2001\u2002\u2003\u2004\u2005\u2006\u2007\u2008\u2009\u200a\u2028\u2029\u202f\u205f\u3000
[12:09:34] * asmodai will work that out later, lets first get the rest done
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[12:20:27] <pacopablo> when trying out the genshi sandbox, I'm assuming that I need to install genshi seperately?
[12:21:47] <cmlenz> yeah
[12:21:54] <cmlenz> easy_install Genshi
[12:22:07] <pacopablo> that's SOOOOOOOOOO hard :)
[12:22:11] <cmlenz> :-P
[12:28:09] <asmodai> mmm
[12:28:13] <asmodai> pacopablo: 't is :)
[12:29:40] <asmodai> mmm, setuptools==dev broken for python 2.4.x?
[12:33:17] <pacopablo> ok, quick bash question, how do you pass all parameter to a script to a program that is called in the script?
[12:33:29] <Marlun> Any tips on how I can password protect some tracs? I don't want everyone to be able to see all of my Trac enviorments.
[12:33:40] <asmodai> pacopablo: $- IIRC
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[12:33:48] <pacopablo> remove all permissions from anonymous
[12:34:01] <nextime> pacopablo : $@ ?
[12:34:25] <Marlun> Then I won't be able to have some trac enviorments that everyone can view?
[12:34:26] <pacopablo> Marlun: or just set the apache auth to the man URl instead of /login
[12:34:52] <pacopablo> Marlun: permissions are done on a per environment basis
[12:35:31] <Marlun> pacopablo: ah ofcourse they are, sorry for that :P
[12:35:42] <cboos> cmlenz: so I'm glad that r3764 made it into rc1 ... was that by accident or did you actually wait for completion?
[12:36:50] <cmlenz> that was a coincidence :-P
[12:37:14] <cboos> yeah, that's what I thought, the release was wrapped so shortly after ;)
[12:37:36] <cboos> ... but I think it's much better that way!
[12:38:01] <cboos> actually, the whole connection pool stuff certainly needs a rewrite
[12:38:21] <cboos> (like so many other things in Trac ;) )
[12:38:47] <cmlenz> well, or just switch to sqlalchemy
[12:39:01] <cboos> maybe
[12:39:53] <cboos> I haven't looked in the details yet, if they really do something better. Possibly, but not for sure, as pysqlite details are sometimes tricky.
[12:40:32] <cboos> Ah, your remark this morning prompted me to try postgresql...
[12:40:59] <cboos> something I always avoided to do, as I was afraid this could demotivate me from trying to enhance pysqlite support ;)
[12:41:31] <cboos> and indeed... no "database is locked" issue in sight there.
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[12:42:19] <pacopablo> if you want a script to migrate dbs from sqlite to postgres, one is on trac-hacks.org
[12:42:29] <pacopablo> it needs much loving of testers
[12:43:04] <pacopablo> nextime: thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for
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