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<The_Tick>

very true

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<The_Tick>

didn't think i could just go with html

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<The_Tick>

ask and ye shall receive :)

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:)

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Any of you guys familiar with pyunit?

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For a moment I read that as pundit

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<alect>

doctest!

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heh, doctest doesn't work very well for testing GUIs

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<alect>

aalib+doctest? :)

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<alect>

haha actually that would be kinda cool

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Let me know when its ready ;-)

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<alect>

bah!

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I am already working on building a screenscrape based testing framework

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alect: that's ... disturbing

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unit testing games sucks ass

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<alect>

disturbing is another word for genius

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alect: Sure, in that parallel world of yours I am sure it is. :)

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<alect>

haha

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw

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great

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<The_Tick>

heh

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<The_Tick>

I've watched it five times today

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<alect>

hhaha

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it's fscking great

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<alect>

that's great

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he's one of the most versatile artists I know

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Some of my friends decided that should be my theme song

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<alect>

who's the artist?

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Weird Al

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<alect>

aah

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<alect>

of course

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I could never work in an environment with real geeks/nerds that are the typical no-social-life types

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it freaks me out

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hey all

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is there a simple way to get my new working trac enviroment to the web?

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<alect>

tracd

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hahah, it's great

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I tried that

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I got no response from terminal

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what do you mean?

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sorry

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was watching that video

um I ran it

no response

till I hit ctrl + c

then it printed out some errors and spat me back to the CLI

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<alect>

it runs a web server

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I know

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<alect>

it doesn't print anything

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.... ah

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well I also tried mydomain.com:8000 and no go

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while it was 'running', thought I wasn't sure it was

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<alect>

tracd --help

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ok. is there a way to detach it?

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~money for nothing and chicks for free~

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-d

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so I can start it and leave it running?

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ok

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and the default port is 80

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-p to change it

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<alect>

@install

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<evil_twin>

alect: "install" is http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracInstall

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I know, but apache is running there, and I usd --port 8000

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<alect>

@tracd

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<evil_twin>

alect: "tracd" is http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracStandalone

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<alect>

^^ read that

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sorry now reading trac with fcgi

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lol ty

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efing a, I think I have broken python more in the last 48 hours than ever before

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lol

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I'm a ruby dev, so I wouldn't understand

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I'm getting weird malloc errors

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probably something in my surface mungers

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Ruby people can understand python quite easily

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ok looking through http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracFastCgi

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so should I run those commands from the command line?

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Unix command line?

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or from trac-admin's command line

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Neither

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o

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those are apache/lighty configuations

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ack

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httpd.conf I'm guessing?

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very much depends on your setup

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lol ok

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if you aren't vhosting, probably

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basic OS X

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ok

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otherwise look for a vhosts folder

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hmm, ill check on here

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lol k

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<alect>

i'd stick with tracd if you're just trying trac out

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well I know we need to run trac

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I've spent now 5 days

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no 6, it's 1:36 am lol i didn't notice

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trying to install it (-:

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k gonna see what blows up now, editing httpd.conf

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Looks lie OS X stock configs dont use vhosts

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so just put that stuff down at the bottom

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<The_Tick>

heh, I'm just using htaccess and a index.fcgi to do trac on os x

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what?

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<x^k>

hello

hellooooooooooo

haldo

The_Tick: ?

<The_Tick>

you're on os x right?

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my server is, yes

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<The_Tick>

ok, on client

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<The_Tick>

os x client*

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yep

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<The_Tick>

I went into my users conf

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<The_Tick>

and added +ExecCGI

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eh?

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<The_Tick>

then went into ~/Sites/ and mkdir'd some random folder

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<The_Tick>

cd'd in, made a .htaccess to set some stuff

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<The_Tick>

and then a index.fcgi

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<The_Tick>

one sec

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wait its ok

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I've got a different setup

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<The_Tick>

ahh, k

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)-:

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<x^k>

i've got question: File "./tracd", line 19, in ? from trac.web.standalone import main ImportError: cannot import name main <-- what this is means ?

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site.com

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<The_Tick>

ecable: be sure to backup your conf file when done btw, notoriousness about apple updates destroying edits and all that

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<The_Tick>

you want site.com to be the main trac site?

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site.com is set up in apache's conf to forward to port 3000

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that's the rails app

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need to forward trac.xxxx.site.com to the trac installation

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<The_Tick>

so setup a new vhost?

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but I'd like to avoid inefficient and heavy-footprint integrated webservers

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yeah that i can do

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but I need trac running somewhere first lol

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<The_Tick>

by "inefficient" can you be specific as to which webserver you mean? ;)

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tracd

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i'm assuming that's some mini-webserver built into the app?

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<The_Tick>

maybe I don't understand how trac works right yet, but my understanding is that you can run trac 4 different ways

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Its the same idea as webbrick

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sorry bad expierences with WEBrick have left me paranoid lol

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exactly

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<The_Tick>

mod_python, cgi, fcgi and tracd

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of course my rails is running on lighty

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yeah

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trying to set fcgi atm

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through lighttpd preferably

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Python's standard library comes with a basic http server, tracd just has some WSGI glue on top of that

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ah ok

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well still I'm going to try to rout trac through lighty, sound wise to you?

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I don't want to do something stupid, but running a third server on my already insane setup doesn't sound like such a good idea

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<The_Tick>

I hear rumors of big mem leaks in the latest light stuff

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on trac's side?

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I havent

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<The_Tick>

no, on light's side

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gossip! whee! what'd you hear?

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heh

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<The_Tick>

don't have anymore details, heh

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sigh

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One of these days I should learn lighty

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well I like lighty/mongrel atm

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apache/lighty/mongrel

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well I mean come on

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lighty won't overtake apache

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<The_Tick>

ecable: get it working with apache first, and then you could probably move over to lighty at some point

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but for a rails app?

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<The_Tick>

that's what I'd do

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heh, I don't drink the Rails kool-aid ;-)

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<The_Tick>

http://natmaster.com/articles/installing_trac.php look for "make trac web accessable"

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with apache 2oh routing requests to mongrel instances and static files routed to lighty, my server is in ecstasy

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<The_Tick>

that's pretty much what I ended up doing

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<The_Tick>

after I enabled the right stuff

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lol ok

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just out of curiosity what instructions did you follow for SVN?

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<The_Tick>

don't know if it's the right way to do things

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<The_Tick>

ecable: none, just installed it

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oh

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<The_Tick>

went in without a problem

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<The_Tick>

I'm on 10.4.7 client os though, dunno about server

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I'm on client too

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<The_Tick>

oh, i didn't enable bdb, using fsfs

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this development server is just an old crappy eMac I had laying around sitting in alaska 'hosting' our in development app

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<The_Tick>

what emac?

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our real servers are of course running linux

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dont ask me what distro, my admin is some sort of fanatic about this one kind, i'm sure they are all that same distro

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<The_Tick>

ya, more worried about if the emac is a first gen

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<The_Tick>

the machine might be uber old, heh

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lol

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Didn't they stop selling those because of RoHS laws?

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no it was like the last one of the production line before Apple dropped the eMac

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What's a RoHS?

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<The_Tick>

coderanger: nah, they got replaced by the imac

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<The_Tick>

pretty much

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iMacs are nice

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I've never had one

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reduction of harazardous substances

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The_Tick: Last I knew they were making a new eMac

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iMacs were never targeted at schools

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<The_Tick>

they were basically imacs with a cheaper form factor from what I could tell

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yep

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<The_Tick>

*shrug*

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The_Tick: Cheaper is important to some people ;-)

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and he's right

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although I think it's the mac mini

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<The_Tick>

ya, could be

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the mac mini sort of covers the eMac's base

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yay mac minis

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<The_Tick>

I'm thinking about getting a mini and using it for a dvr, heh

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wait until the iTV is out

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hmmm

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<The_Tick>

I'd still need a box dedicated to tv stuff

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perhaps not?

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did you listen carefully?

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if I had to guess

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the iTV will work a lot like the express does

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you connect to it from iTunes

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<The_Tick>

heh

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<The_Tick>

yep

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and essientally get front row on the screen

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and that's it

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<The_Tick>

daap basically

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not a wireless tv connection for your computer

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which puts it out of the question for me

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I would put money that they add recording as a One More Thing

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I would rather a Mac Mini

OMT

OMTs FTW

with a mac mini

I have a full computer at my fingers

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<The_Tick>

throw on perian

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<The_Tick>

when we release it

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<The_Tick>

and you can play all your torrenty media too

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<The_Tick>

hurray ffmpeg :D

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lol

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problem is I like CenterStage > FrontRow

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<The_Tick>

how so?

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it;s the ONLY place

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EVER

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where i prefer a third party item to an apple item

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even (don't hit me) aperture

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<The_Tick>

you don't prefer adium? ;)

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*huddles8

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... adium and iChat are different

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I usually have both running at once

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<The_Tick>

ya, most of our users do

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video chat in one, everything else in the others

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<The_Tick>

yep

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<The_Tick>

why centerstage though?

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mail.app, adium (with 16 accounts), iChat, teamspeak, colloquy - how do I ever get any work done?

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centerstage is just more versatile

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<The_Tick>

in the way of decoding movies

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in my opinion

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<The_Tick>

or what?

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go play with it

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you'll see

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<The_Tick>

I've not used frontrow

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now GOTTA actually try to get trac working

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<The_Tick>

heh

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oh really?

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lol

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<The_Tick>

ya

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non-intwel?

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<The_Tick>

ppc ibook

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Macbook Pro Inqwell

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or the Frying Pan as I like to call it

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is my inqwellbook

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my main comp is a ppc though

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pmg5

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so I turn on the Coliolan Overture at full volume in my headphones

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it's the middle of the night here

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don't realize my speakers are still on

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like 2 minutes later my door is banging SO LOUD I finally notice and take off my headpphone

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low and behold, the music doesn't stop!

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I'm in a dorm in college

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I'm about to die.

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ecable: Where do you go?

MSU

montana

nice

engineering school

you?

RPI

that bein?"

Rensselaer Polytechnic

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Near Albany

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!!!!!!!!!!!

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I was ><THIS FAR from going there

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I actually don't remember why I decided not to

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hah

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I spent like 4 years of high school thinking I would be

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so how is it?

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what year are you?

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eh, the CS and Engineering depts and I don't get along very well

Junior

ah? why?

lol

I'm a lowy freshie

They basically refused to try creating a Software Engineering curriculum

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CS says its Engineering problem, and vice versa

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what?

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lol we have computer engineering here

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Sad

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I'm a double E

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RPI's concept of computer engineering is an EE who takes CS2

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I did that for a while, then transfered to CS

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<blake_>

That's a wide shoe ;)

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lol

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lol

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I'm gonna use that on somebody, blake

thanks

ok a problem

sigh you know what

is there a lighty channel?

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#lighttpd maybe?

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<The_Tick>

probably

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yep

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coderanger: in-n-out

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best burgers I've heard

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never had one

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alaska isn't fortunate enough

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<The_Tick>

there's a place that's better

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<The_Tick>

but it's only a local gig

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<The_Tick>

well, 2 places

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ah?

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burger bob's?

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<The_Tick>

ya, one is called Tookie's

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heh, you need to the secret code to order there

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<The_Tick>

there other is CH Burger

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what?

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<The_Tick>

ch = chinese

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<The_Tick>

chinese and burgers at the same place, it's awesome

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that's like saying electric gasoliene

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http://www.zenlemur.com/innout.shtml

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<The_Tick>

they're menu is huge

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<The_Tick>

you can get lo mein and stuffed jalepenos for instance

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<blake_>

4x4s

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<The_Tick>

which sounds weird but is awesome

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<blake_>

Mmm

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blake_: Amen

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<blake_>

I'm in Seattle and we don't have In-n-Out, but we have Fatburger.

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<blake_>

Which is pretty darn tasty too.

well whatever

im from alaska

and we had mcdonalds

so there!

PWNT!

anyone know how to hunt down the author of the TinyMCE plugin ? :)

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60¢ cheesemurder FTW!

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what for lol

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prologic: File a ticket on trac-hacks

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prologic: That will trigger an email to him if he has one on file

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<blake_>

coderanger: I get a kick out of this guy. http://www.chezmeowmeow.com/burger.html

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<blake_>

"*we* get to pick the burger"

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blake_: Thats just ridiculous

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coderanger, yeah k will do :)

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I'll submit patches for the plugin too

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<blake_>

Yeah, not sure I'd do it.

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I've gotten it working with 0.10 (r3549)

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<The_Tick>

that's sick

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prologic: If the author doens't respond after a while and you/we can't find him, you can ask Alec for commit access probably

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coderanger, k nps

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TinyMCE is working great, but there are some issues with the Tags plugin and the Blog plugin

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1. The field that allows you to tag a page disappares 2. the BlogShow macro fails 3. Sometimes you get two "Plain Text" formats on the page.

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perhaps I should attach the patch and someone can help me identify those issues ?

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prologic: the 3 is easy

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I'm listening :)

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have you changed a web_ui.py?

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or better

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lemme check

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does tinymce implemets ITimelineEventProvide

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ITimelineEventProvider

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errr

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# svn diff | grep "working copy"

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+++ setup.py (working copy)

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+++ tinymcewiki/tinymcewiki.py (working copy)

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+++ tinymcewiki/trachtml.py (working copy)

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sorry not that one

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see if you find any IContentConverter methods, ie, get_supported_conversions() and convert_content()

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*nods*

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and what am I looking for ?

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those methods

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simply remove them or do I need to modify it somehow

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comment them out to try

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if all works good, remove them, hmm, lemme see that plugs source

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