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September 27, 2006

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[07:15:53] <Elephantium> hi all
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[07:34:14] <zzzeek_> does the PageOutline macro work in 0.9 ?
[07:34:27] <coderanger> Yes
[07:34:48] <__doc__> coderanger: then what is wrong with http://www.sqlalchemy.org/trac/wiki/ExperimentalOutline ?
[07:35:42] <zzzeek_> its my anchor tags
[07:35:45] <zzzeek_> i think they are not supported
[07:36:00] <__doc__> hrm, but how would you get anchors without anchor tags?
[07:36:12] <zzzeek_> well the trac faq has these #tags like this
[07:36:21] <zzzeek_> im taking those out and it seems to work
[07:36:27] <cboos> __doc__: that's a 0.10 feature
[07:36:31] <cboos> time to upgrade ;)
[07:36:48] <zzzeek_> to a beta....meeeeebe not quite yet
[07:36:49] <coderanger> __doc__: Specifcying the anchor name is trunk only
[07:36:51] <coderanger> heh, yeah
[07:36:53] <matt_good> zzzeek_: yeah, Trac generates the anchors for you
[07:36:55] <zzzeek_> ok
[07:37:13] <zzzeek_> how come the trac FAQ has those "#" tags in it ?
[07:37:26] <coderanger> zzzeek_: Because t.e.o run 0.10 ;-)
[07:37:51] <zzzeek_> here we go florian: http://www.sqlalchemy.org/trac/wiki/ExperimentalOutline
[07:38:04] <__doc__> zzzeek_: right :D
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[07:43:35] <cboos> matt_good: did you see my update on #3781 ?
[07:49:06] <matt_good> cboos: WTF, stupid Windows
[07:49:40] <matt_good> ok, at least there's a verifiable reason for it
[07:50:24] <cboos> so we can close it...
[07:51:32] <matt_good> yeah, one sec
[07:52:32] <matt_good> done
[07:52:42] <cboos> ok...
[07:52:48] <cboos> And what about #3774, we should throw that away to 0.10.1, no?
[07:57:34] <DILLIGAF> coderanger: you around?
[07:57:46] <coderanger> DILLIGAF: Indeed
[07:58:38] <DILLIGAF> coderanger: i think i got the backtraces working right now. i needed to be doing the gdb on python not the trac-admin or tracd files
[07:58:43] <DILLIGAF> im an idiot, heh
[07:58:51] <DILLIGAF> coderanger: http://paste.uni.cc/10422
[07:59:07] <DILLIGAF> all points to the same thing, my apr is borked
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[08:01:09] <DILLIGAF> my employer blocks irc, and im dialed off my cell right now.. irc isnt to fond of it right now....
[08:02:57] <coderanger> DILLIGAF: Looks like it, or something in SWIG
[08:03:07] <coderanger> maybe try remaking the bindingings with the newest swig?
[08:03:26] <DILLIGAF> ill try to make sure apache and subversion are speaking the same language there..
[08:03:30] <DILLIGAF> can do that too
[08:06:06] <DILLIGAF> coderanger: remaking the bindings is from a "make clean" "make" "make install" "make swig-py" and "make install-swig-py" correct?
[08:06:33] <coderanger> no, that uses the premade bindings subversion includes
[08:06:46] * coderanger has never mucked with SWIG
[08:06:47] <DILLIGAF> ahhh, what am i missing?
[08:06:51] <DILLIGAF> doh
[08:08:13] <DILLIGAF> i have SWIG Version 1.3.27 but i did try 1.3.29 recently as well
[08:08:44] <DILLIGAF> ill dig up the info on completely rebuilding the bindings against the new swig then
[08:10:38] <coderanger> swig.org seems to be having issues
[08:13:19] <coderanger> Someone really needs to make a subversion-ctypes library
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[09:02:51] <pacopablo> morning
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[09:19:55] <s0undt3ch> good afternoon
[09:20:19] <s0undt3ch> is trac's notification aware of attachements?
[09:20:26] <s0undt3ch> ie, can it add attachments?
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[09:24:47] <hfreanzr> how can i disable anonymous access to browse trac repository?
[09:24:59] <hfreanzr> is there any standard way or it has to be done trough .htaccess?
[09:25:18] <s0undt3ch> hfreanzr: trac permissions
[09:26:19] <hfreanzr> s0undt3ch, ok i was trying but is there any permission set to disable everything? or i should remove one by one all the permissions?
[09:26:34] <nextime> trac-admin permission remove anonymous BROWSER_VIEW
[09:26:38] <s0undt3ch> hfreanzr: trac-admin /path/to/env/ ...
[09:26:43] <s0undt3ch> k, nextime got there first
[09:27:39] <nextime> hfreanzr : oh you want to remove all permission, so you have to remove all of them one by one
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[09:28:33] <s0undt3ch> hfreanzr: got webadmin installed?
[09:28:38] <nextime> i really have to find some time to upgrade to 0.10
[09:28:42] <s0undt3ch> it eases things
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[09:29:09] <thomasvs> is there a trac plugin that rolls back a change to a ticket, instead of just deleting the change but keeping the changed items ?
[09:29:54] <s0undt3ch> thomasvs: there's TicketDelete, dunno if it enables rollback
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[09:30:31] <thomasvs> the one I have doesn't
[09:30:33] <thomasvs> damnit
[09:30:41] <thomasvs> that's it, I'm closing my trac off
[09:31:06] <nextime> thomasvs : the one that i have on 0.9.6 do it, it enable on webadmin a "Delete changes" on ticket system menu'
[09:31:30] <thomasvs> nextime: yes, and it deletes the history of the change, but the end result of that change is still applied
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[09:31:45] <thomasvs> ie, if the change was "change title from A to B", the title remains B when you delete the change
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[09:32:12] <nextime> oh, ok, i never tryed it as i don't have anonymous enabled trac, so, i have no spam problem at all
[09:32:29] <s0undt3ch> nextime: I had user who registred just to spam
[09:32:51] <nextime> s0undt3ch : rotfl, in my tracs users can't register :)
[09:33:04] <s0undt3ch> ok, then your safe :)
[09:33:31] <thomasvs> I don't get why bugzilla doesn't seem to be so much under attack
[09:34:18] <s0undt3ch> thomasvs: because bugzilla's are normally closed, while trac's are normally open
[09:34:44] <s0undt3ch> so, if I was a spammer I'd invest on trac rather than bugzilla
[09:35:35] <thomasvs> while I originally I thought it was a nice idea of trac to be open by default, I'm starting to think it's a wrong default
[09:36:04] <thomasvs> 0.10 has a spamfilter plugin - is it coming out any time soon ?
[09:36:36] <matt_good> thomasvs: yes, the RC is out, final should be this week
[09:38:09] <s0undt3ch> matt_good: how would I extend trac's notification to include an attachment?
[09:39:11] <s0undt3ch> I'd like to include a diff file with the changes for my wiki notification plug?
[09:40:03] <hfreanzr> s0undt3ch, no but i will try it
[09:40:14] <s0undt3ch> matt_good: I've been looking at some examples found on web, and they use MimeWriter and base64
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[09:40:44] <s0undt3ch> trac's notification doesn't seem to use the MimeWriter
[09:41:24] <matt_good> s0undt3ch: I'm not sure, I haven't dealt with that part of the Python mail APIs
[09:41:39] <s0undt3ch> hmm, who added that to trac?
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[09:42:40] <matt_good> originally probably jonas or daniel, I've done a little work, though eblot has done most of the notification related stuff lately
[09:43:16] <thomasvs> grrr, I have sixty bugs modified like this :/
[09:43:26] <thomasvs> I guess I need to code some rollback into the delete plugin
[09:44:11] <s0undt3ch> matt_good: dam, none of there are arround
[09:47:01] <matt_good> thomasvs: the TicketDelete plugin should revert field changes that you delete
[09:47:07] <matt_good> on trac-hacks.org
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[09:54:53] <thomasvs> matt_good: are you sure ? that's the one I have installed, and it definately keeps whatever the spammer set here
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[09:58:21] <thomasvs> ah - even though both claim to be version 0.1, the current zip file there does contain code to roll back too
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[10:18:56] <omry> matt_good, here?
[10:20:18] <omry> what's up with http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3779 ?
[10:20:28] <omry> you guys need more info or anything?
[10:20:32] <omry> its really killing me
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[10:22:26] <matt_good> omry: yeah, I don't know what would cause that
[10:22:52] <matt_good> if you're able to attach a DB dump it may help
[10:23:00] <omry> matt_good, it sounds to me like some logic in python does not like my db content
[10:23:16] <omry> how do I dump it?
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[10:27:53] <omry> matt_good, a simple copy of trac.db will do the trick?
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[10:35:06] <matt_good> omry: it should be ok, but be sure to indicate what SQLite format it's in
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[10:40:28] <omry> how do I link to a specific revision of a file?
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[10:43:44] <wereHamster> what's the difference between a milestone and version in a ticket?
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[10:44:24] <wereHamster> version = in which version the bug is and milestone = where it will be fixed?
[10:44:33] <pacopablo> more or less
[10:45:03] <paulproteus|quad> Is it possible to move from a SQLite 0.9.x Trac to a 0.10.x MySQL-based trac?
[10:45:16] <pacopablo> anything is possible :)
[10:45:44] <pacopablo> though if you switch to postgresql instead of mysql, there already exists a script for doing so
[10:46:16] <coderanger> paulproteus|quad: Look at the datamover plugin
[10:46:35] <paulproteus|quad> Sweet, a plugin for moving data!
[10:46:38] <coderanger> Should work across databases
[10:47:41] <paulproteus|quad> We're getting some Trac spam now, so I figured it'd be a good time to move to 0.10rcwhatever.
[10:48:00] <coderanger> You may want to wait
[10:48:09] <coderanger> the final release should be in the next few days
[10:48:10] <cmlenz> MySQL is still pretty experimental
[10:48:18] <coderanger> That too
[10:48:18] <cmlenz> well, the Trac support for MySQL is
[10:48:21] <paulproteus|quad> cmlenz, I've been saying that for years. (-;
[10:48:24] <pacopablo> postgresql! :)
[10:48:29] <coderanger> sqlite!
[10:48:34] <coderanger> :)
[10:48:41] <pacopablo> bring it coderanger :)
[10:48:47] <paulproteus|quad> coderanger, I figure I can 'svn switch' to the release when it happens.
[10:49:05] <coderanger> paulproteus|quad: Just a few more bits of work :P
[10:49:11] <coderanger> pacopablo: its on!
[10:49:46] <omry> coderanger, can I link directly to the download of a file@revision in raw format?
[10:49:58] <pacopablo> download: I believe
[10:50:13] <coderanger> omry: If nothing else, use an http link
[10:50:25] <coderanger> omry: But on 0.10 you can make an interwiki format for it
[10:50:43] <wereHamster> is it really that bad with spam? I have a small project that is known to very few people, but the trac page was indexed by google so if someone will be googling for 'trac' he'll find my webpage..
[10:50:45] <omry> what do you mena, interwiki?
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[10:51:03] <coderanger> wereHamster: Do you have anonymous editing turned on?
[10:51:14] <omry> pacopablo, [download:/i18n/firestats-es_ES.mo Spanish translation for FireState 0.9.5] does not turn to a link.
[10:51:21] <coderanger> omry: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/InterWiki
[10:51:27] <pacopablo> omry: oh well
[10:51:36] <paulproteus|quad> wereHamster, We've had our Trac up for nearly a year and only started getting spam.
[10:51:37] <coderanger> pacopablo: download is a interwiki link alec made for t-h
[10:51:46] <wereHamster> no, but someone offered me help with the wiki and I don't know whether I should open it or not
[10:52:08] <coderanger> wereHamster: As long as logins are needed you are fine
[10:52:10] <pacopablo> coderanger: ahh :)
[10:52:16] <omry> coderanger, how does that make any sense in my case? I need a resource in my own trac..
[10:52:30] <coderanger> AccoutnManager offers public registration, and that seems to stop most of it for now
[10:52:49] <coderanger> Though we are seeing reports of people/bots automating that now too
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[10:53:25] <omry> oh, I get it
[10:53:26] <omry> I think,.
[10:53:31] <coderanger> omry: "
[10:53:59] <wereHamster> I gave him a login but it would be nicer if anyone could contribute (it's a small project and every single person who helps is welcome)
[10:54:06] <coderanger> "download http://www.mytrac.com/browser/$1&format=raw"
[10:54:10] <coderanger> or something like that
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[10:54:28] <coderanger> wereHamster: I would go with AccountManager+SpamFilter for now
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[10:55:03] <omry> coderanger, where would that configuration line go?
[10:55:07] <omry> straight into the page?
[10:55:57] <coderanger> yep, inside the {{{ }}}
[10:56:26] <omry> cool, trying.
[10:56:27] <wereHamster> coderanger, are those plugins available for trac 0.9.* ?
[10:56:44] <coderanger> wereHamster: AcountManager is
[11:01:31] <wereHamster> http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/AccountManagerPlugin sais I need to download it separately ?
[11:01:48] <coderanger> It is a plugin
[11:02:07] <wereHamster> ah.. ok
[11:02:53] <coderanger> @plugins
[11:02:53] <evil_twin> coderanger: "plugins" is http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracPlugins
[11:05:46] <wereHamster> what's the chance that AccountManager will become part of trac?
[11:05:51] <coderanger> 0
[11:06:00] <wereHamster> :)
[11:06:15] <coderanger> The plugin system was designed to keep things out of the core code
[11:07:36] * cmlenz dreams of the day when we move ticketing and versioncontrol out into plugins... imagine the release cycles that'd enable :-)
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[11:08:02] <coderanger> cmlenz: Someone will need to make HackInstall work much better before that will happen ;-)
[11:10:15] <cmlenz> heh "This plugin is pretty totally broken" :-P
[11:10:44] <s0undt3ch> what's the diference between hdf['foo'] = bar and hdf.set_unescaped('foo', bar)?
[11:10:51] <coderanger> It depends on having the /<pluginname>/<tracversion>/ layour
[11:10:56] <coderanger> er, layout
[11:10:58] <s0undt3ch> what get's escaped?
[11:11:10] <cmlenz> bar
[11:11:23] <s0undt3ch> yeah
[11:11:27] <s0undt3ch> but what in bar
[11:11:38] <cmlenz> < > & "
[11:11:40] <cmlenz> :-)
[11:11:45] <s0undt3ch> k, thanks
[11:12:26] <cmlenz> which is almost always what you want
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[11:34:36] <s0undt3ch> matt_good: if a wiki page is deletes is it's history still available?
[11:34:55] <s0undt3ch> I'm now following your advise:
[11:34:55] <cmlenz> no
[11:35:00] <s0undt3ch> version, time, author, comment, ipnr = page.get_history().next()
[11:35:09] <s0undt3ch> hmm, k
[11:35:11] <s0undt3ch> thanks
[11:35:23] <cmlenz> but you can delete a page *version*
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[11:37:50] <The_Tick> hrmph
[11:38:13] <The_Tick> so I've got a trac install that's not showing ticket changes, except for one change
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[12:00:14] <coderanger> cmlenz: Can a build master/slave do multiple Tracs worth of builds?
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[12:00:29] <cmlenz> yeah
[12:00:47] <cmlenz> bitten-master ... /var/trac/proj1 /var/trac/proj2 etc
[12:00:55] <coderanger> awesome :)
[12:01:47] <cmlenz> did you work out the issue with the one platform not building?
[12:04:17] <matt_good> coderanger: or bitten-master ... /var/trac/*
[12:04:34] <coderanger> cmlenz: I just left --build-all on
[12:04:40] <matt_good> at least on *nix the "*" will expand into the arguments
[12:04:46] <coderanger> matt_good: I have a weirder setup than that
[12:05:08] <coderanger> /var/www/<vhost>/tracs/<tracname>
[12:05:39] <matt_good> /var/www/*/tracs/* ?
[12:05:58] <coderanger> I think I need a for loop in there
[12:06:28] <coderanger> Nope, looks like that works actually
[12:06:34] <coderanger> didnt know bash would parse that
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[12:08:58] <DILLIGAF> coderanger: i found a way to compile the bindings, but not how to remake them yet
[12:09:30] <DILLIGAF> i was able to test a simple python script and got some output, but there were errors
[12:09:44] <DILLIGAF> there is an svnlook.py script and it half worked
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[12:15:44] <s0undt3ch> cmlenz: I know I can delete a version, I'm just trying to get as much info to include on a IWikiChangeListener
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[12:17:01] <s0undt3ch> coderanger: your tracforge plug only works for sqlite DBs right?
[12:17:11] <coderanger> s0undt3ch: Should work for ane
[12:17:32] <coderanger> s0undt3ch: All DB ops are via the Trac db
[12:17:37] <s0undt3ch> coderanger: so trac's handled by tracforge use the tracforgfe db?
[12:17:46] <coderanger> hmm?
[12:17:54] <s0undt3ch> k, from start
[12:18:01] <s0undt3ch> tracforge has it's own db
[12:18:04] <coderanger> no
[12:18:12] <s0undt3ch> for new trac's ..
[12:18:13] <s0undt3ch> no?
[12:18:14] <coderanger> Its is a Trac plugin, so it uses the Trac db
[12:18:25] <s0undt3ch> ok, yes
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[12:18:48] <s0undt3ch> the other trac envs created by tracforge, use a new db, or the main db?
[12:19:16] <coderanger> It doesn't handle creating projects yet, but when it does they will just use what you give to initenv like any other project
[12:20:07] <s0undt3ch> coderanger: oh, it doesn't :|
[12:20:23] <coderanger> Haven't written that much yet
[12:20:42] <s0undt3ch> well, creating new DB's for PG or MySQL is way much diferent than sqlite
[12:21:07] <coderanger> You can't just initenv them?
[12:21:18] <pacopablo> no, initenv won't create the db
[12:21:23] <pacopablo> it will create the tables
[12:21:24] <s0undt3ch> yes, but the DB needs to be created
[12:21:31] <coderanger> Ohh that
[12:21:36] <s0undt3ch> yeah, that
[12:21:46] <coderanger> You just use a creation step for those
[12:21:50] <s0undt3ch> so, how do you currently "join" projects?
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[12:21:58] <pacopablo> see, postgresql is a REAL database management syste :)
[12:22:21] <coderanger> The project creation system will esentially biol down to plugins providing creation steps,
[12:22:34] <coderanger> then the "user" picks which and what order to use those in
[12:22:39] <s0undt3ch> ie, of tracforge does not yet create new projects, how do all they thighten together?
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[12:22:55] <coderanger> s0undt3ch: Right now you just make them normally and then add thm to the projects table
[12:23:35] <s0undt3ch> coderanger: where can I see it action? any public site of your?
[12:23:45] <coderanger> sdd.coderanger.net
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[12:23:55] <coderanger> But you can't see any of the admin stuff
[12:24:03] <s0undt3ch> of course :)
[12:24:07] <coderanger> So i guess there isnt much to see :P
[12:24:55] <s0undt3ch> so you handle project urls like http://dom.com/projects/<project>
[12:26:55] <coderanger> Thats done by the server
[12:28:39] <s0undt3ch> yes, but if you don't stay within the same base url, how do you handle authentication?
[12:28:54] <coderanger> What do you mean?
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[12:29:16] <coderanger> Auth on there is AccountManager's form-based logins
[12:29:20] <s0undt3ch> authentication is done by the base trac project, the one running tracforge right?
[12:29:29] <coderanger> The master, yes
[12:29:43] <s0undt3ch> image that at http://dom.com
[12:30:06] <s0undt3ch> If I then select a proj at http://proj.dom.com, will I still be logged in?
[12:30:24] <s0undt3ch> won't the diferent urls cause me to be logged out? or something like that?
[12:30:27] <coderanger> There is already some cookie munging to alter paths
[12:30:39] <coderanger> Not sure if it will handle that, but it would be trivial to add
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[12:31:45] <s0undt3ch> coderanger: that cookie munging is done by the tracforge plug?
[12:31:53] <coderanger> yep
[12:32:44] <s0undt3ch> hmm, I think I'm going to give it a try
[12:32:53] <coderanger> heh<