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October 08, 2006

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[02:04:50] <prologic> alect, ping
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[02:25:23] <michele> Hey guys, I'm getting and UnicodeDecodeError in my timeline
[02:25:26] <michele> and source browser
[02:25:35] <michele> 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 20: ordinal not in range(128)
[02:25:51] <michele> how can I tell trac to use utf8 instead of ascii?
[02:26:16] <michele> default_charset doesn't work for me :-(
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[03:04:29] <michele_> ok, I fixed my problem, should submit a patch to the trac-bzr plugin maintainer
[03:05:30] <michele_> see you guys, have a good Sunday
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[03:31:44] <__doc__> anybody noticed that something like http://trac-hacks.org/changeset/latest/tracblogplugin?old_path=/&filename=tracblogplugin&format=zip doesn't work with wget (i.e. trackhacks breaks wget...)?
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[03:46:36] <__doc__> I just installed the trac admin plugin, login as cheery and enjoy :D
[03:47:36] <__doc__> upsi ^^ sry
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[04:05:11] <prologic> Does a macro (a simply def execute(...)) macro get a copy of the req ?
[04:12:58] <The_Tick> __doc__: try curl -O "url"
[04:13:13] <The_Tick> and then mv "filename" "newfilename.zip"
[04:13:21] <The_Tick> and then unzip newfilename.zip
[04:18:21] <__doc__> arghl
[04:19:52] <The_Tick> you downloaded it on a desktop and then uploaded it didn't you?
[04:20:23] <__doc__> The_Tick: sure did
[04:20:28] <The_Tick> heh
[04:20:31] <The_Tick> no worries :)
[04:20:38] <The_Tick> wget "url" might work too
[04:20:39] <The_Tick> btw
[04:21:01] <__doc__> funny though I've never had that kind of problems widely except with all the trac links
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[04:23:07] <The_Tick> you've never had to do a search for a string like "grep -ri "foo bar \z baz" ." ?
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[05:01:49] <__doc__> The_Tick: I think mostly urls are shell compatible
[05:03:12] <__doc__> The_Tick: ?old_path=/&filename=tracblogplugin&format=zip is simply not very restfull
[05:03:55] <__doc__> The_Tick: true you still have the &format=zip
[05:04:15] <__doc__> The_Tick: but I'm not all to convinced that this should be required for download urls anyway
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[05:12:36] <alect> hello
[05:12:46] <Blackhex> hi
[05:13:07] <alect> hey blackhex, how goes it?
[05:13:26] <Blackhex> none time to work on trac :-)
[05:13:42] <alect> doh :)
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[05:19:35] <prologic> Is there a way to list tags from another trac instnace ?
[05:19:45] <alect> hmmm
[05:19:58] <alect> no
[05:20:04] <prologic> ok :)
[05:20:15] <alect> but that would be a good candidate for xmlrpc
[05:20:17] <prologic> is there any way we can save on duplicating pages ?
[05:20:21] <prologic> between trac instnaces
[05:20:27] <prologic> yes it would be
[05:20:38] <alect> datamoverplugin might be what you're looking for?
[05:20:43] <prologic> I don't think any of this will make sense atm untill the security branch is done
[05:20:50] <prologic> as we don't want users to see _all_ pages from the other instnace
[05:20:54] <alect> aah
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[05:21:24] <alect> i think datamover lets you select a set of pages
[05:21:38] <prologic> I think so
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[05:23:19] <prologic> I wrote (borrowing code from tractrags) a [[Tag]] macro
[05:23:26] <prologic> as a temp workaround for my problem :)
[05:23:35] <prologic> have to disable the tractags.web_ui.* though
[05:24:28] <alect> tagging pages for copying?
[05:24:44] <prologic> no different issue
[05:24:52] <prologic> the Tags and TinyMCE plugins don't work well together :)
[05:25:15] <prologic> at least the "tagging" web_ui part conflicts with the tinymce web_ui I guess (they both implement a WikiModule)
[05:25:39] <prologic> so the TagIt macro you deprecated I had to recreate!
[05:25:53] <alect> ah :)
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[05:26:22] <alect> hopefully with genshi imminent, that kind of ugliness will be a thing of the past
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[05:27:16] <prologic> *nods*
[05:27:25] <prologic> I guess no-one thought this would ever happen :)
[05:27:38] <prologic> ie: plugins trying to extend another similar plugin's features
[05:28:37] <alect> definitely thought of it, but there was no real clean way to do it with clearsilver
[05:28:45] <alect> without lots of unpleasant hooks
[05:29:14] <prologic> *nods*
[05:29:23] <prologic> be exciting when 0.11 is out :)
[05:29:39] <alect> definitely :)
[05:29:40] <alect> i'm keen
[05:30:39] <prologic> hrmm
[05:31:06] <prologic> values = map(self._quote, map(str, [x.encode("utf-8") or x for x in values])) <-- I don't want to encode values of type int though :)
[05:31:08] * prologic thinks
[05:31:56] <alect> "... for x in values if isinstance(x, int)]))"
[05:32:08] <alect> or explicitly check for strings might be better
[05:32:14] <alect> isinstance(x, basestring)
[05:32:38] <alect> or do str(x).encode("utf-8")
[05:32:51] <prologic> yeah that'd work
[05:33:01] <prologic> because with sqlite it doesn't matter what the type is right ?
[05:33:22] <prologic> bah this code is ugly, I need to finish migrating to my new library
[05:33:48] <alect> correct, but if it's trac code you shouldn't rely on sqlite being there
[05:34:57] <prologic> it's one of my projects
[05:34:58] <prologic> :)
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[05:35:17] <prologic> [[Tag]] is (I have to say) the first trac macro I've written!
[05:35:24] <prologic> and most of it was a copy form your plugin hehe
[05:35:41] <alect> that's how it starts :)
[05:35:45] <alect> one macro here, another there
[05:35:50] <alect> soon you're writing plugins!
[05:35:54] <alect> then, the world!
[05:35:59] <prologic> yeah
[05:36:00] <prologic> true
[05:36:36] <misc> writing the world ?
[05:37:01] <alect> correct
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[05:48:00] <tuxipuxi> lol
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[06:32:56] <prologic> umm
[06:33:00] <prologic> with the TracAutoWikify plugin
[06:33:03] <prologic> does it take some time to work ?
[06:33:17] <prologic> We seem to be getting a propagation delay in the links being visible as links
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[09:02:53] <wiking> hi, maybe i'm completely blind, but i can't find how can you define new components for tickets
[09:03:38] <misc> using trac-admin ?
[09:03:59] <wiking> oh, could it be? :)
[09:05:10] <wiking> misc: thanx, and sorry again for being so lame :P
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[09:08:20] <matt_good> wiking: yeah, or you can do it with the WebAdmin plugin
[09:08:40] <wiking> hehe, i like console. :P
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[11:03:00] <sgorilla1> there needs to be a lucene hookup to info files
[11:03:07] <sgorilla1> there needs to be a lucene hookup to info files
[11:03:21] <sgorilla1> and trac
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[12:50:52] <coderanger> Ahh the subtle joy of mocking Ilias
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[13:06:19] <The_Tick> coderanger: heh
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[13:14:49] <sgorilla1> is there a way to see when people add comments to tickets in the changeset view?
[13:15:14] <sgorilla1> i want the Timeline to be verbose
[13:15:19] <coderanger> check the "Ticket Details" box
[13:15:34] <sgorilla1> There is no "Ticket Details" box
[13:15:40] <sgorilla1> do i need to add that somewhere?
[13:15:42] <coderanger> trac>=0.9?
[13:15:47] <sgorilla1> im running real current trac
[13:15:50] <sgorilla1> like svn trac
[13:15:52] <sgorilla1> with genshi
[13:16:01] <coderanger> @tracini
[13:16:01] <evil_twin> coderanger: Error: "tracini" is not a valid command.
[13:16:04] <sgorilla1> newest genshi trac also
[13:16:04] <coderanger> grrr
[13:16:10] <sgorilla1> i mean newest genshi
[13:16:18] <coderanger> look for the ticket_show_details option
[13:17:02] <sgorilla1> ok cool, i set it to true
[13:17:13] <sgorilla1> and it automatically figured it out, awesome
[13:19:32] <coderanger> [insert server load disclaimer]
[13:19:34] <coderanger> :)
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[14:09:52] <The_Tick> coderanger: bets on ilias biting on that email from Jeroen?
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[14:10:28] <coderanger> Heh
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[14:57:53] <coderanger> holy 'eff A
[14:58:14] <coderanger> Ilias is now being a jerk in addition to being annoying
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[15:02:21] <neuralis> coderanger: i was about to ask why you put up with him. he's beginning to annoy /me/, and i only look at that folder casually.
[15:03:46] <coderanger> neuralis: http://xrl.us/r56m : Read the last comment
[15:05:23] * X-Rob_ chuckles quietly to himself
[15:05:35] <X-Rob_> The Trac project does not solely exist to meet your requirements only.
[15:05:37] <X-Rob_> SO THERE!
[15:05:54] <neuralis> coderanger: that's what prompted me to ask, yeah
[15:10:27] <coderanger> Now I just hope one of the devs does a good job of tearing him a new one :)
[15:11:06] <coderanger> Because clearly commit access at edgewall.org means they are much smarter than me
[15:12:16] <misc> sure, we should not judge people based on their argument, but on their commit access
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[15:13:15] <coderanger> I should ask Jonas for an account just to mock him
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[15:14:27] <misc> would it be useful ?
[15:14:46] <misc> i think he will them speak of "experienced devs"
[15:15:29] <coderanger> Heh, true enough
[15:17:13] <coderanger> Thats trouble with insane people, you just can't win
[15:27:46] <neuralis> or, phrased more amusingly, never argue with an idiot. they'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. ;)
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[15:34:01] <coderanger> neuralis: The problem with people like Ilias is they occasionally say something intelligent, so its hard to discard them entirely
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[17:01:03] <sineer> hi
[17:01:43] <sineer> anyone know what's up with Bitten web site? I've tried to reach it pretty much every day for the past week and it never answer my requests :(
[17:02:28] <sineer> Someone know a mirror site perhaps? I was considering having a buildbot vs bitten show down this wknd but looks like buildbot is here to stay...
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[17:05:05] <coderanger> I would email cmlenz
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[17:05:32] <coderanger> mailto:feedback@cmlenz.net
[17:08:40] <coderanger> Or wait a few hours for him to be awake
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[17:13:18] <sineer> coderanger, ok.. I'll be around for awile
[17:13:32] <coderanger> Your best bet is probably to do both ;-)
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[17:53:44] <The_Tick> coderanger: http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/TracAudit
[17:55:43] <coderanger> Yeah, he seems to "audit" a lot of open-source projects
[17:56:03] <The_Tick> more like ask for what he wants, heh
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[17:56:57] <coderanger> heh
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[18:04:42] <The_Tick> coderanger: found his phone number and address
[18:04:52] <The_Tick> could easily sign him up for crap
[18:06:31] <coderanger> No reason to be just as bad as him though
[18:06:46] <The_Tick> no reason at all
[18:06:49] <The_Tick> other than boredom
[18:06:58] <coderanger> Go write some code ;-)
[18:07:29] <coderanger> Fix some of my tickets on trac-hacks :)
[18:08:05] <The_Tick> nah
[18:08:11] <The_Tick> I'd rather pester you about them :P
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[18:16:09] <JohnJacob> I'm new to Trac, can anyone point me to some docs on how to setup auth? Esp. HTTP's REMOTE_USER... I've already got access controlled through httpd.
[18:16:28] <JohnJacob> I'd like to be able to have it read the username from that var... can I do that?
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[18:18:29] <coderanger> Thats the default already
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[18:18:51] <coderanger> I assume you mean httpd == Apache
[18:19:27] <coderanger> But in any case, just force authentication (or however else you are populating REMOTE_USER) on the /login path
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[19:04:58] <sgorilla80> is there a way to comment on changesets?
[19:05:48] <coderanger> No
[19:06:04] <coderanger> Well not directly
[19:06:20] <coderanger> Usually one would just open a ticket about whatever you wanted to comment on
[19:06:32] <coderanger> There is also the PeerReview plugin
[19:06:53] <sgorilla80> coderanger: it would be cool if there was a pending changeset
[19:07:05] <coderanger> "pending changeset"?
[19:07:18] <sgorilla80> like have people check off, then if its good, then do svn ci
[19:07:25] <sgorilla80> well actually svn merge
[19:07:29] <coderanger> PeerReview plugin
[19:07:30] <sgorilla80> like merging from branch to trunk
[19:07:39] <sgorilla80> i will check that out
[19:07:47] <coderanger> Its currently b0rked on 0.10
[19:07:54] <coderanger> Feel free to fix it ;-)
[19:08:25] <sgorilla80> =)
[19:08:36] <sgorilla80> i dont need it that much, because i am just coding by myself =)
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[19:10:02] <coderanger> You could also track down the guys who wrote it and smack them upside the head until they take responsibility for their code (award-winning code at that)
[19:10:23] <sgorilla80> how did it win awards?
[19:11:54] <coderanger> http://www.rose-hulman.edu/news/articles/csse_seniorprojects06.htm
[19:11:58] <coderanger> Down at the bottom
[19:12:41] <coderanger> Hmm, that doesn't mention the award, but they got some school thingy for it
[19:13:19] <X-Rob_> I'm gunna have to just give up on fastcgi, I think.
[19:13:23] <X-Rob_> I've perservered.
[19:13:28] <coderanger> ?
[19:13:45] <X-Rob_> Ah, it seems to have locked up
[19:13:48] <sgorilla80> X-Rob_: yo i tried getting that to work also
[19:14:00] <sgorilla80> X-Rob_: and it worked
[19:14:17] <X-Rob_> sgorilla80, you probably don't have quite as many hits as I do 8)
[19:14:24] <sgorilla80> X-Rob_: how many hits you get?
[19:14:31] <X-Rob_> about 12000/day
[19:14:33] <sgorilla80> lighttpd + fastcgi works well
[19:14:37] <X-Rob_> according to google, anyway
[19:14:42] <sgorilla80> X-Rob_: what are you doing it on?
[19:14:47] <sgorilla80> apache or lighttpd?
[19:14:50] <X-Rob_> apache
[19:14:53] <coderanger> X-Rob_: I would ask how they are running t.e.o
[19:14:56] <sgorilla80> you need to do it with lighttpd
[19:14:56] <X-Rob_> gotta use apache for various other reasons
[19:15:02] <sgorilla80> with apache better to go with mod_python
[19:15:08] <sgorilla80> X-Rob_: you can run both
[19:15:11] <X-Rob_> coderanger, "t.e.o"
[19:15:16] <X-Rob_> sgorilla80, not on the same port you can't
[19:15:18] <coderanger> @teo
[19:15:18] <evil_twin> coderanger: Error: "teo" is not a valid command.
[19:15:22] <coderanger> @t.e.o
[19:15:22] <evil_twin> coderanger: "t.e.o" is http://trac.edgewall.org/
[19:15:26] <sgorilla80> X-Rob_: yeah you can =)
[19:15:26] <X-Rob_> oh
[19:15:58] <X-Rob_> Apparently mod_python seems to be the best
[19:16:10] <sgorilla80> well for apache its the best
[19:16:16] <X-Rob_> and I'm _comfortable_ with apache. *grump*
[19:16:21] <sgorilla80> i believe for really large scale lighttpd + fastcgi is the best
[19:16:41] <coderanger> I run ~20 tracs on my mod_python setup
[19:17:31] <sgorilla80> http://www.lighttpd.net/benchmark/
[19:17:58] <X-Rob_> Exception exceptions.AssertionError: <exceptions.AssertionError instance at 0xb7e4560c> in <bound method PooledConnection.__del__ of <trac.db.pool.PooledConnection object at 0xb67b9b2c>> ignored
[19:18:01] <coderanger> sgorilla80: Its all what you make of it
[19:18:08] <X-Rob_> was getting one of them about every 100 or so hits
[19:18:08] <coderanger> X-Rob_: Known issue
[19:18:14] <X-Rob_> coderanger, oh, it is?
[19:18:16] * X-Rob_ looks stupid
[19:18:18] <coderanger> X-Rob_: Theres a ticket for it
[19:18:24] * X-Rob_ looks even stupider
[19:18:29] <sgorilla80> =)
[19:18:38] <X-Rob_> Go on. Say 'fixed in svn' and make me look like a total dick 8)
[19:19:10] <coderanger> #3504
[19:19:14] <coderanger> And the ticket is closed ;-)
[19:24:08] <X-Rob_> Last message: Trying the patch out now. Looks like the first week of good behavior was a slight fluke, the server's back to hanging about once a day now.
[19:25:21] <sgorilla80> hehe
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[19:26:14] <coderanger> Heh, my solution to lockup issues was to run `apachectl -k graceful` every 15 minutes from cron
[19:26:29] <X-Rob_> heh
[19:26:46] <sgorilla80> hahaha
[19:26:49] <coderanger> Sometime when I have free time I should track down why its locking
[19:26:58] <sgorilla80> coderanger: how does it lock up?
[19:27:03] <sgorilla80> coderanger: you should force apache to core dump
[19:27:06] <sgorilla80> when it locks up
[19:27:10] <sgorilla80> then examine its state
[19:27:59] <coderanger> Examining a core dump of an apache worker isn't exactly a walk in the park
[19:28:19] <sgorilla80> coderanger: well its fun =)
[19:28:32] <coderanger> Even more so given my performance tuning
[19:28:44] <sgorilla80> even more fun, optimizations
[19:29:12] <coderanger> I run all requests in a single process, using 50-75 worker threads
[19:29:19] <sgorilla80> coderanger: what type of tuning did you do?
[19:29:29] <sgorilla80> coderanger: ah, ok
[19:29:42] <sgorilla80> i like the multiple processes, with multiple threads thing
[19:29:57] <coderanger> This makes Trac run very fast
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[19:30:08] <sgorilla80> i guess thats better with mod_python
[19:30:15] <sgorilla80> doing one process
[19:30:21] <coderanger> As the mod_python initializations are done once per process
[19:30:34] <sgorilla80> true
[19:31:05] <sgorilla80> coderanger: is the apache on there compiled?
[19:31:09] <sgorilla80> i mean compiled by you
[19:31:14] <coderanger> Yes
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