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October 19, 2006

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[00:20:40] <jave> moin
[00:21:24] <jave> does rac have some sort of mailing list interface? that is, send in bugreports to a mailinglist, and they wil becocme bugs. follow-ups, will be appended to the bug history
[00:22:13] <coderanger> email2trac
[00:22:23] <coderanger> available on trac-hacks
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[00:42:51] <Guardian> morning
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[00:45:34] <groton> hello. is there a way to delete a ticket? :)
[00:46:22] <coderanger> groton: TicketDelete plugin on trac-hacks
[00:46:45] <coderanger> as of 0.10 you can also delete whole tickets from trac-admin
[00:46:57] <coderanger> (but not specific changes)
[00:47:58] <groton> ah, i would use track admin then, i do not have an idea on what trachack is and how does a plugin would be installed into trac
[00:48:08] <coderanger> @plugins
[00:48:08] <evil_twin> coderanger: "plugins" is http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracPlugins
[00:48:36] <coderanger> I prefer having a web interface to it, but then I'm probably biased ;-)
[00:48:51] <coderanger> @forget plugins
[00:48:51] <evil_twin> coderanger: The operation succeeded.
[00:49:27] <coderanger> @learn plugins as http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracPlugins <-- How to install and activate Trac plugins
[00:49:27] <evil_twin> coderanger: The operation succeeded.
[00:50:46] <coderanger> groton: I would highly recommend you look through trac-hacks.org though
[00:51:00] <coderanger> its got lots of useful plugins, macros and scripts
[00:51:27] <groton> coderanger, i will, but not now, deadlines are always in front of an employee
[00:52:51] <coderanger> `easy_install TracTicketDelete` ftw :)
[00:53:20] <coderanger> really need to trick someone into fixing hackinstall for me :-/
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[01:04:32] <janhaa> hi
[01:04:41] <Blackhex> hello
[01:04:48] <janhaa> is there a way i can edit changes in tickets? i need to remove all this spam: http://trac.flodhest.net/eAdmin/ticket/32
[01:06:32] <Blackhex> I thing that this one deletes only whole tickets http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TicketDeletePlugin
[01:07:58] <Blackhex> this one is usefull but not your case too http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/BatchModifyPlugin
[01:08:17] <janhaa> okey :/
[01:09:19] <janhaa> better add permissions for the tickets then :(
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[01:12:09] <The_Tick> ticketdeleteplugin can give you delete on comments too
[01:13:20] <janhaa> thanks The_Tick :) i'll give it a try
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[01:18:27] <Blackhex> do you know this error "(70014)End of file found: Error attaching to shared memory" usig trac with mod_python?
[01:19:10] <Blackhex> trac is somewhat locked and take forever to load in browser
[01:19:18] <The_Tick> coderanger: around?
[01:19:38] <The_Tick> or cmlenz
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[01:20:33] <coderanger> The_Tick: Yo
[01:21:44] <The_Tick> resyncing, if that doesn't work then I'll be pinging you about this :)
[01:22:13] <coderanger> The_Tick: Heh, going to sleep actually
[01:22:19] <coderanger> its 4AM over here
[01:22:33] <The_Tick> it's 3 here
[01:22:35] <The_Tick> big deal :P
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[02:11:37] <jave> coderanger: Thanks
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[02:19:29] <row> Does trac work with python2.4?
[02:20:02] <coderanger> row: Yep
[02:20:07] <coderanger> 2.3 or 2.4
[02:20:15] <coderanger> and as of the current trunk, 2.5
[02:20:44] <row> k, debian needs to sort itself out then :P
[02:23:56] <coderanger> row: Thats not uncommon ;-)
[02:24:23] <row> :P
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[02:38:35] <coderanger> the LED jackass is hitting trac-hacks
[02:44:45] <cmlenz> oh, that one is simple to block using BadContent :-)
[02:45:14] <cmlenz> and do you *ever* sleep?
[02:45:46] <coderanger> "occasionally"
[02:46:38] <cmlenz> really, it's what, 5am? GO TO BED ALREADY :-P
[02:46:51] <coderanger> been trying
[02:47:23] <coderanger> every hour or so I decide to get up and be useful, work about about 20 minutes, then get sleepy again
[02:48:28] <cmlenz> that doesn't sound very effective ;-)
[02:48:48] <coderanger> for sleeping: probably not, but I'm getting work done on TracForge :)
[02:52:42] <asmodai> coderanger: heh
[02:52:43] <asmodai> coderanger: btw
[02:52:50] <asmodai> coderanger: I am closer with conversion of ticketdelete :)
[02:53:19] <coderanger> asmodai: Have you looked at some of the bugfixes from a week ago?
[02:53:32] <asmodai> coderanger: Not yet :(
[02:53:37] <coderanger> asmodai: should make the change delete screen more genshi friendly
[02:53:44] <asmodai> coderanger: I 'forked' it from a recent svn update
[02:53:55] <asmodai> coderanger: I will svn up and check to see how large the diffs are
[02:54:18] <coderanger> heh, want commit access for a 0.11 folder?
[02:54:29] <asmodai> coderanger: I haven't done much with the actual code yet, was working on properly converting the template
[02:55:05] <asmodai> coderanger: Sure, or I can email you the files. Whichever you prefer.
[02:55:15] <coderanger> whats your t-h username?
[02:55:30] <asmodai> t-h?
[02:55:42] <coderanger> trac-hacks
[02:55:44] <asmodai> Oh.
[02:55:50] * asmodai wonders if he even has one.
[02:56:06] <asmodai> Don't think I do.
[02:56:16] <coderanger> Go register ;-)
[02:57:39] <asmodai> coderanger: asmodai
[02:57:53] <asmodai> }:)
[02:57:57] <coderanger> Done
[02:58:43] <asmodai> ta
[03:01:15] <coderanger> okay, 6AM, time to try sleeping again
[03:01:25] <asmodai> Will upload later. Going into a meeting soon which will last like 3 hours :(
[03:01:46] <asmodai> coderanger: sleep well :)
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[03:02:51] <cboos> coderanger: hey! it's 6AM! Wake up!!!
[03:04:34] <asmodai> lol
[03:04:47] <asmodai> cboos: mean!
[03:04:47] <asmodai> :)
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[06:06:13] <cboos> cmlenz, when you move things around on setuptools, that may be the occasion to get rid of the wiki-macros legacy stuff...
[06:06:40] <cmlenz> yeah, I thought about that too
[06:07:03] <cboos> the hello.py macro could be disposed of, and a better example for a standalone plugin macro should be added to contrib
[06:07:31] <cmlenz> all old-style macros are going to break... we should try to get people to port their stuff to the new API
[06:07:44] <cboos> deprecate those in 0.10.1?
[06:08:08] <cmlenz> and we need a way to provide the same functionality
[06:08:40] <cboos> well, single file plugins, that's simple enough
[06:08:44] <cmlenz> hmm, deprecate but avoid filling server logs with deprecation warnings somehow
[06:09:03] <cboos> (esp. when you inherit from WikiMacroBase)
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[06:09:13] <cmlenz> cboos: but macros were previously able to get some info about the context from req.hdf... that's no longer possible
[06:09:34] <cmlenz> for example, to get the current page name, you'd have to look at req.path_info
[06:10:08] <cboos> @ticket 3958
[06:10:08] <evil_twin> cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3958
[06:10:09] <cmlenz> so maybe it's time to do those pass-context-to-wiki-formatter stuff you've been thinking about
[06:10:21] <cmlenz> oh
[06:10:59] <cboos> exactly, but still, I'm undecided wheter we should give access to the template data or not. What do you think?
[06:11:15] <cmlenz> to template data? why that?
[06:11:41] <cmlenz> the context should really be enough
[06:11:43] <cboos> ... for various misuses ;)
[06:11:57] <cboos> yes, that's what I thought.
[06:12:02] <cmlenz> you have the request, that's enough for misuse ;-)
[06:12:16] <cmlenz> why do you want the context to be a stack?
[06:12:43] <cboos> alect asked me about that, he brought some complex examples
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[06:13:31] <cboos> like a macro on one page being called from within an other page, btw of a WikiTemplateInclude
[06:15:16] <Fastly> hmm... trac is working fine using tracd to serve the page, however is seg faulting when accessing via apache using mod_python
[06:15:27] <cboos> cmlenz: but that's not a fundamental part of the thing, I agree
[06:15:40] <Fastly> any ideas? the mod_python test seems to work fine
[06:17:01] <cboos> Fastly: various reasons for that.. in the end it's nearly always incompatible libraries being mixed together. Having a stacktrace will help here, to show you the dll which segfaulted
[06:17:01] <Fastly> i followed the advice at http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracModPython
[06:17:24] <Fastly> how can i generate a stack trace?
[06:17:38] <cboos> with a segfault ;)
[06:17:54] <Fastly> i'm currently looking at the apache error_log and it just says: child pid 30238 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)
[06:18:05] <Fastly> yeah, was that a dumb question?
[06:18:19] <cmlenz> cboos: okay, a stack probably makes sense just to be safe for the future
[06:18:33] <cboos> Fastly: no, sorry, just the formulation made me think about a dumb answer ;)
[06:19:02] <cmlenz> cboos: we'll need to enhance the macro API for that, right? would be good if we could get that in 0.10.x so that macro writers could update their plugins earlier
[06:19:52] <cboos> ok... I'll think about that. Didn't get much time since Sunday to work on the wiki-refact, but the ideas abound, and my approach looks promising
[06:30:15] <Fastly> do you think it's a good idea to try and serve trac over apache using cgi?
[06:30:53] <cboos> no, that's probably the worst solution
[06:31:03] <cboos> as you said tracd was working for you,
[06:31:16] <cboos> you could setup a tracd and use ProxyPass on apache
[06:31:29] <cboos> I used that in the past, and it was working quite well
[06:32:01] <cboos> (by doing, you can still serve all the static data from apache)
[06:32:13] <cboos> (by doing *that* I meant)
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[06:52:33] <Getty> do i see right that there are no hooklinks in the trac wiki?
[06:55:15] <Getty> buh?
[06:56:28] <Fastly> does anyone here know how to generate a stack trace for the segfault?
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[06:56:51] <Fastly> all i have in apache error_log is Segmentation Fault in 30244, waiting for debugger
[06:57:05] <asmodai> w14
[06:57:21] <Fastly> ?
[07:07:11] <cmlenz> Getty: if you want hooklinks, try http://www.fishingwarehouseshop.co.uk/
[07:07:17] <cmlenz> ;-)
[07:08:06] <Getty> hehe
[07:08:09] <Getty> but you know what i mean?
[07:08:17] <Getty> aehm aehm anker? oder how its called exactly
[07:08:19] <Getty> #
[07:08:28] <mad_lord> to make authentication in mod_python with apache, is needed the mod_dav_svn.so module?
[07:08:56] <mad_lord> or this is just another way?
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[07:19:18] <Fastly> what's the best way to keep tracd running in the background?
[07:21:14] <alect> getty: trac has anchor support. headings are given anchors which can be linked to
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[07:23:17] <cboos> ya, even with [#anchor] since 0.10 ;)
[07:23:28] <cboos> (or [#anchor see that])
[07:23:40] <cboos> hi alect,
[07:23:55] <cboos> any news about the branches?
[07:25:42] <Getty> ok thx
[07:26:46] <Getty> its not in the wikiformatting thats why i asked
[07:26:48] <blurfle> is there a way to import tags with trac-admin wiki dump or otherwise?
[07:26:53] <blurfle> import/export, rather*
[07:27:01] <Getty> so just CamelCase#headline in the wiki?
[07:27:53] <cboos> Getty: that's the general syntax for it, what I wrote above are shortcuts for anchor _on the same page_
[07:28:18] <Getty> yeah ok
[07:28:20] <Getty> clear
[07:28:25] <mad_lord> Fastly: if you run tracd it's in stand alon mode
[07:28:33] <Getty> aehm
[07:28:42] <Getty> MasterJobStatus#1 just made a link out of #1
[07:28:48] <mad_lord> Fastly: i'm trying to configure in mod_python mode, w/ apache
[07:28:49] <Getty> to ticket 1....
[07:28:50] <Getty> yeah clear..
[07:28:55] <Getty> if the headline is.. a number....
[07:28:56] <Getty> ok...
[07:30:46] <cboos> can't be
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[07:31:22] <cboos> = 1 = will give you "a1" as the anchor
[07:31:33] <cboos> note that you can specify explicitely the anchor to be used:
[07:31:42] <cboos> = 1 = #One
[07:32:25] <cboos> (and no, "= 1 = #1" is not valid ;) )
[07:33:04] <akano1n> hi, i heard about trac to use for web-app dev, i would like to know if its possible to use a framework + trac, im reading about trac so i dont know much about it
[07:33:08] <Getty> ah its no problem i switched to the text that stands for the number
[07:33:14] <Getty> i mean in the concept
[07:37:48] <Fastly> how could i prevent non-authenticated users from viewing the wiki or source?
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[07:39:09] <akano1n> Fastly, set permission
[07:39:19] <cmlenz> akano1n: can you elaborate? trac pretty much is it's own framework (minus ORM and fancy features)
[07:40:08] <Fastly> from where?
[07:40:19] <cmlenz> @permissions
[07:40:19] <evil_twin> cmlenz: "permissions" is See http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracPermissions for information on built-in permissions
[07:41:29] <akano1n> cmlenz, i want to make a project using PHP+PGSQL, and im looking for some frameworks, and trac is for web-dev to trace milestones and things like that + svn, so i would like to use a php framework to work with trac, is it possible? i dont understand much about trac, but in teory in think it is
[07:42:30] <cmlenz> still don't get it ... why would you want to use a php framework to work with trac? what would that do?
[07:42:54] <cmlenz> and why would you ever use php? ;-)
[07:43:00] <cmlenz> (okay, strike that last question)
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[07:43:04] <s0undt3ch> aha!
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[07:43:18] <s0undt3ch> that's the major question :)
[07:43:31] <s0undt3ch> sorry akano1n... :)
[07:43:38] <cboos> akano1n: IIRC, there are a some people which did something like that, reused parts of Trac within a PHP framework (I think they added time tracking).
[07:45:09] <cboos> found it: http://teamtrac.org/
[07:45:32] <cboos> (quite interesting in fact)
[07:47:58] <akano1n> i dont want use PHP with TRAC, hehehehe.. i was justing asking if there is a way to work with all 2, trac + framework, but as i can see now trac is totally independent of anything, just a tracking system
[07:48:40] <cboos> Trac's NOT just a tracking system, how dare you?
[07:48:48] <cboos> ;)
[07:48:51] <akano1n> =P
[07:49:33] <akano1n> im installing trac here to work with
[07:49:43] <akano1n> im reading the documentation
[07:50:52] <akano1n> my project has python as language like trac, but its too dificult to find ppl with python knowlege, that i have no choice to switch to PHP... =/
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[07:51:41] <akano1n> but its a concept model anyway... hehehe =P
[07:58:00] <akano1n> does i need to create trac-admin /path/ initenv, the path inside htdocs? then run the daemon
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[08:04:57] <simmerz> if i move a repository to a new location, how do I update the trac environment?
[08:07:28] <akano1n> as i know, trac-admin /path/ initenv, it will ask you for configuration
[08:07:50] <akano1n> this include repository
[08:10:08] <blurfle> does anyone use tractags? I migrated a project with trac-admin wiki dump, but lost all the tags. is this a known problem?
[08:10:18] <Fastly> when i try "trac-admin /path/to/trac permission add developer *" the name of all files in the directory get added!
[08:10:43] <Fastly> ... as permissions (or actually probably permission groups)
[08:14:46] <simmerz> akano1n: that is for creating new envs. I want to modify an existing one
[08:15:24] <m_g> http://rafb.net/paste/results/lEEuKv64.html is that an error or does it mean that silvercity fails and enscript has been used successfully? i'm asking because it doesn't highlight PHP code
[08:23:12] <cypromis> hmmm tracforge and the billing ticket extensions seem to be incompatible
[08:23:23] <cypromis> at least when you try to comment on a ticket :(
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[08:38:13] <cboos> he, found my first bug in Python ;)
[08:38:43] <cboos> in list comprehesions, if I have:
[08:38:45] <cboos> [x for a in [1,2,0,3] for x in [a,a] if a]
[08:38:54] <cboos> I get: [1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3]
[08:38:58] <cboos> (expected)
[08:39:10] <cboos> but: [x for a in [1,2,0,3] for x in [a,a] if x]
[08:39:24] <cboos> gives also: [1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3]
[08:39:40] <cboos> where I would have expected: [1, 1, 2, 2, 0, 0, 3, 3]
[08:39:57] <cmlenz> hmm, is that maybe just due to loop variables leaking into outer scopes (a known issue)
[08:40:02] <cboos> (oops, stupid me, of course, pacopablo please erase that from the archive)
[08:40:24] <cboos> cmlenz: no it's because I somehow misread x being [a,a]
[08:40:40] <cboos> and of course, it's a, then a, in turn
[08:40:48] <cboos> so some result expected,sorry for the noise;)
[08:40:54] <cmlenz> ah okay
[08:40:56] <cboos> s/some/same/
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[09:03:41] <cboos> he, soon rev. 4000
[09:04:21] <Fastly> how do i give the permissions group 'developer' all permissions?
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[09:08:29] <Fastly> using trac-admin...
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[09:14:19] <cmlenz> I got [4000] :-D
[09:15:21] <cmlenz> cboos: btw, did you see http://www.linuxawards.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=32 ?
[09:16:10] <The_Tick> hrmph, that's weird
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[09:16:30] <The_Tick> simple ticket would work if you switched httpd's right?
[09:17:50] <cmlenz> switched httpds?
[09:18:12] <The_Tick> cmlenz: that box you were working on genshi with the other night
[09:18:28] <The_Tick> moved to lighty
[09:18:34] <cmlenz> yeah
[09:18:45] <cboos> cmlenz: no wasn't aware ... but that's only UK, so much for world domination ;)
[09:18:50] <The_Tick> ya, so everything works except simpleticket
[09:18:52] <The_Tick> it's weird
[09:18:59] <cmlenz> what is simpleticket?
[09:19:08] <The_Tick> hides fields in a new ticket
[09:19:12] <cboos> (sorry, Free World domination :) )
[09:19:18] <The_Tick> no worries
[09:19:29] <cmlenz> btw, imajes also upgraded to trac trunk, which can result in a number of issues ATM
[09:19:43] <The_Tick> heh
[09:19:46] <The_Tick> no comment :)
[09:20:05] <The_Tick> but I'm thinking that's what's up
[09:20:06] <cmlenz> simpleticket is pretty much guaranteed to need an update
[09:20:36] <cmlenz> you'll want to ping coderanger about it
[09:20:51] <cmlenz> but actually you should be able to do that now in the site customization template
[09:20:54] <cmlenz> I'll try it here...
[09:21:17] <The_Tick> kk
[09:21:28] <The_Tick> I'll play around with it on my ibook if you don't get it to work
[09:23:04] <cmlenz> which fields were you hiding?
[09:24:03] <The_Tick> hide = milestone, owner, priority, severity
[09:24:07] <cmlenz> oh, this might be a bit messy
[09:24:11] <The_Tick> heh
[09:24:27] <The_Tick> I can disable simpleticket for now and give them ticket_create
[09:24:56] <cmlenz> yeah
[09:25:16] <cmlenz> I think this isn't going to work right now, but it's an excellent use case that I should try to get working :-P
[09:25:27] <The_Tick> dude, honestly
[09:25:33] <The_Tick> I don't see why this functionality isn't built in
[09:25:44] <cmlenz> are you still allowing other people to use the full ticket form?
[09:25:49] <The_Tick> yes
[09:25:54] <The_Tick> devs get full tickets
[09:25:59] <The_Tick> so do trusted folks
[09:26:06] <cmlenz> okay
[09:26:10] <The_Tick> and the people who register via the account management stuff
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[09:26:16] <The_Tick> they get nozing
[09:26:36] <The_Tick> somehow I think that sentence should have had a !, but I felt that would be confrontational, heh
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[09:27:50] <cmlenz> all that would be most appropriately addressed with a fine-grained permissions systems... unfortunately that's still a bit far off
[09:28:02] <cmlenz> I don't think alect's proposal handles field-level permissions
[09:28:30] <The_Tick> right
[09:28:58] <The_Tick> I could probably come up with an idea of where permissions could go if you guys wanted
[09:29:25] <The_Tick> no way I could implement it, but would possibly give you some idea of the requirements
[09:29:31] <The_Tick> if you want
[09:29:36] * The_Tick doesn't want to be the next ilias
[09:29:44] <cmlenz> sounds good
[09:30:23] <The_Tick> is alect's proposal on the mailing list?
[09:30:32] <The_Tick> trac-dev or what?
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[09:35:14] <cboos> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/AboutTrac?action=diff&version=4
[09:35:53] <The_Tick> launchpad?
[09:36:25] <cboos> The_Tick: https://launchpad.net/
[09:36:57] <The_Tick> like an updated sourceforge
[09:37:03] <cboos> Open-source project hosting from the Unbutu guys
[09:37:20] <The_Tick> oh oh, do they host christian ubuntu?!
[09:37:22] <The_Tick> hehe
[09:37:35] <misc> well, trac code is avaliable, launchpad is not
[09:37:51] <The_Tick> heh, ya
[09:37:57] <The_Tick> big deal
[09:37:59] <The_Tick> if it works, it works
[09:38:17] <cboos> oops, I already corrected myself from typing unbuntu, wasn't enough ;)
[09:39:45] <The_Tick> wait
[09:39:56] <The_Tick> I thought plugins were supposed to be backwards compatible with genshi
[09:40:39] <cboos> we leave the Clearsilver infrastructure in place, this means that the templates can continue to be Clearsilver ones
[09:40:51] <cboos> that doesn't mean we won't screw the plugins from other ends ;)
[09:41:09] <cboos> ... like API changes
[09:41:12] <cmlenz> the problem is the simpleticket assumes the main ticket modules uses clearsilver
[09:41:16] <cboos> we try to minimize that of course
[09:41:18] <cmlenz> the simpleticket plugin, even
[09:41:30] <The_Tick> evil simpleticket then
[09:42:07] <cmlenz> I'm sure you can talk coderanger into providing an update
[09:42:13] <The_Tick> oh I'm sure
[09:42:16] <cmlenz> he takes every chance he gets to avoid having to actually sleep :-P
[09:42:24] <The_Tick> dude, you know
[09:42:29] <The_Tick> I can completely relate to that
[09:42:40] <cboos> The_Tick: you were asking about alect's proposal for the permission policy I think, here it is: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/PermissionPolicy
[09:42:44] <asmodai> heh, sod that, sleep > *
[09:42:58] <The_Tick> I believe in that as well asmodai
[09:43:03] <The_Tick> unfort