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<alect> |
coderanger: you're a bit of a setuptools nut...is there a way to make it recognise existing non-setuptools packages? |
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<alect> |
eg. PIL is installed without setuptools |
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<coderanger> |
Is it an egg? |
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<alect> |
no... |
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<alect> |
thus my question |
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<coderanger> |
Well distutils can install eggs too |
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<coderanger> |
Other than that, not that I know of |
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<alect> |
since when? |
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<coderanger> |
I think it can |
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<alect> |
makes it difficult to use setuptools dependencies |
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<alect> |
a lot of systems will have modules installed via the o/s packaging system |
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<alect> |
and the setuptools dependency checks fail |
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<coderanger> |
Yeah, with 2.5 distutils has rudimentary provides/requires support |
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<alect> |
uncool |
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<coderanger> |
But compared to setuptools its almost useless |
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<alect> |
haven't had any spam recently |
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<coderanger> |
You could do a try: import Image except: in the setup.py |
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<coderanger> |
but thats not nearly as nice |
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<alect> |
unless you've been deleting it all :) |
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<alect> |
no it's not :( |
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<coderanger> |
alect: Nope, and I have been checking very often since I was expecting a flood |
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<alect> |
same here |
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<alect> |
bizarre |
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<coderanger> |
I guess trac-hacks just isn't that high-profile ;-) |
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<alect> |
although two people have complained about a backtrace in the regex filter |
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<alect> |
so perhaps the spambots are hitting that as well |
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<alect> |
one can only hope ;) |
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<coderanger> |
It's also probably not linked to from many places, so less spiders will hit it |
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<alect> |
it has quite a high page rank on google |
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<coderanger> |
(as compared to t.e.o and such) |
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<coderanger> |
link:trac-hacks.org shows ~1k links |
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<alect> |
pr 5, t.e.o has pr 8 |
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<coderanger> |
for t.e.o its 164k |
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<alect> |
link: is not reliable |
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<alect> |
"trac-hacks.org" is a better option |
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<coderanger> |
heh, you should go fix that ;-) |
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<coderanger> |
In any event, lets not jinx it :) |
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<alect> |
yeah |
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<coderanger> |
At some point maybe all us uber-nerds should just make our own version us askimet |
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<alect> |
i've thought that myself |
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<alect> |
a collaborative one |
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<coderanger> |
Yeah |
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<coderanger> |
At the point that I try integrating ticketdelete into trac itself (probably after workflow), there really needs to be a "flag as spam" checkbox |
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<alect> |
hell yes |
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<alect> |
though that will also depend on some method of template manipulation |
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<alect> |
iniadmin is my friend |
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<coderanger> |
Well if its part of the core, it can probably part of the template |
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<coderanger> |
I should look at the active-plugins-only patch again and see if theres a better way to do it |
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<alect> |
yeah true |
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<alect> |
coderanger: can you edit http://swapoff.org/wiki/SandBox |
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<alect> |
see if the captcha works okay |
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<coderanger> |
I see no edit button |
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<alect> |
hrm |
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<coderanger> |
unless I am supposed to log in |
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<alect> |
okay try now |
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<alect> |
i enabled captcha, and it intercepted iniadmin...whoops |
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<alect> |
worked though |
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<coderanger> |
askimet rejected |
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<alect> |
wtf |
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<alect> |
fucking akismet |
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<coderanger> |
I did get a captcha though |
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<alect> |
awesome |
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<alect> |
one sec |
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<alect> |
okay try again |
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<alect> |
last time i promise |
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<coderanger> |
Worked |
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<alect> |
sweet |
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<alect> |
danke |
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<coderanger> |
Though the captchas are pretty hard to read |
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<alect> |
it's true |
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<alect> |
it keeps refreshing though |
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<alect> |
so eventually you'll get one that doesn't suck |
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<coderanger> |
I maintain that the only good solution to spam is a crowbar, and flame-thrower, and a lot of plane tickets |
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<alect> |
yeah |
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<coderanger> |
Time for me try in vain to sleep |
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<coderanger> |
Gnite y'all |
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<alect> |
hey cboos |
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<cboos> |
hello |
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<blinx> |
hi |
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<cboos> |
good morning! |
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<kelmo> |
trac.edgewall.org ticket spam filter is a bit aggressive ;-) |
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<cboos> |
yeah, but no more than spammers are ;) |
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<kelmo> |
too right |
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<cboos> |
kelmo: the trick is to go in the "Settings" |
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<alect> |
that trick won't last long i suspect |
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<cboos> |
and save your name there (at least the name, possibly also your e-mail) |
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<alect> |
spammers will catch on to that |
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<cboos> |
yeah, that's why we should put the captcha in place too ;) |
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<cboos> |
btw alect, why did you feel that every POST had to be intercepted, |
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<cmlenz> |
the settings thing is only a temporary workaround |
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<cmlenz> |
kelmo: see http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users/browse_thread/thread/934d8d6f3abf0928/3274c97b04f45ec6 |
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<cboos> |
as opposed to only protecting the settings? |
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<alect> |
well, requiring user settings is a bit hackish right? |
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<alect> |
but actually it's mainly because i haven't written the code to only intercept certain modules |
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<kelmo> |
cmlenz: hmm, interesting |
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<cboos> |
I mean, if the "Settings" thing would be the only way to earn (+) points, protecting that with a captch should be enough, no? |
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<cboos> |
and requiring to have "Settings" doesn't seem to be hackish for me, it's like a "light" registration, basically "tell us you're not a bot before" |
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<cmlenz> |
cboos: you want to enable people to submit stuff without them having to enter settings |
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<kelmo> |
more humane than captcha imho |
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<cboos> |
no I don't want to ;) |
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<cmlenz> |
so ideally the captcha would kick in on the settings page, or if the user has no session, on the individual submission pages |
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<cboos> |
getting the submission rejecting and telling the people to go identify themselves would also work, IMO, and would probably be simpler... |
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<cboos> |
s/rejecting/rejected/ |
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<cboos> |
cmlenz: have you seen the updates on #4043? |
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<cboos> |
... scary, isn't it? ;) |
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<cboos> |
I think I'll post a mail asking for hints on the psycopg2 ML ... what are the version of PostgreSQL and psycopg2 that we use, btw? |
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<bethor> |
hello, short question: Are all uploaded files stored in the database? |
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<coderanger> |
No |
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<coderanger> |
The files themselves end up in the attachments folder in the trac env |
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<coderanger> |
Though there is some metadata in the DB |
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<bethor> |
thanks coderanger . So my jail for trac has to be a little bit bigger than I thought... |
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<coderanger> |
You can restrict the size of attached files in trac.ini |
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<bethor> |
that is probably a good idea. |
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<kelmo> |
can attachments be disabled alltother? |
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<kelmo> |
+ge |
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<coderanger> |
Set the upload size to 1? |
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<coderanger> |
You could also make a filter plugin to intercept uploads and reject them |
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<cmlenz> |
cboos: psycopg2-2.0.5.1 on python2.4 |
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<cboos> |
ok, thanks. And PostgreSQL? |
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<alect> |
<cmlenz> so ideally the captcha would kick in on the settings page, or if the user has no session, on the individual submission pages |
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<alect> |
^^ i could add that behaviour to the captcha plugin |
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<cmlenz> |
yeah |
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<alect> |
actually, question |
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<cmlenz> |
hm? |
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<alect> |
i did some research on POST redirects, and it seems that it's not possible in a 100% reliable fashion. is that true? |
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<alect> |
because at the moment, i'm pickling the req.args, preserving it in the session, then unpickling and manually calling handle_request() after the captcha |
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<cmlenz> |
you mean redirecting so that the requested to the redirected location is a POST? I don't think that's possible |
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<alect> |
which, as you can imagine, is not ideal |
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<cmlenz> |
s/requested/request |
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<cmlenz> |
right |
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<alect> |
yeah that's exactly what i meant |
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<cmlenz> |
well, a solid implementation isn't really possible with 0.10 I think |
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<alect> |
hmmm, i could probably have the captcha page POST to the original URL, with all the args as hidden form variables |
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<alect> |
yeah :( |
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<cmlenz> |
with 0.11 you could use the manipulator APIs to add fields to the form |
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<cmlenz> |
that would work as long as you don't have file upload fields |
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<cmlenz> |
(the hidden form fields idea) |
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<alect> |
hmm yeah |
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<alect> |
are the manipulator apis in place yet? |
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<alect> |
i mean the genshi ones |
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<cmlenz> |
genshi manipulators? |
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<cmlenz> |
nothing happened on the manipulator front... I thought that was part of workflow to some extent? |
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<alect> |
ah, nm. i thought you were referring to the "template manipulation" |
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<alect> |
but you are referring to ITicketManipulator et al |
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<cboos> |
(about the POST issues: that's why I think that a simple workflow like: submit -> rejected as spam -> "please go identify yourself" -> settings + captcha, would perhaps be the cleanest solution for now) |
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<alect> |
wouldn't you still have the same problem though? of preserving the form contents? |
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<cboos> |
well, you'll lost it, unless you go 'Back', one time inconvenience (i.e. no better but no worse than what we currently do) |
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<cboos> |
s/lost/loose/ |
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<alect> |
yeah |
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<alect> |
using the manipulator apis to add verification would be ideal, but it's not there yet |
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<omry|work> |
check out this spam: http://firefang.net/projects/firestats/ticket/30#comment:6 |
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<omry|work> |
passed the spam filters |
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<omry|work> |
the bastard changed all sorts of fields, I think this is why it passed. |
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<omry|work> |
is it possible to delete a ticket comment? |
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<alect> |
ticketdelete plugin on trac-hacks |
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<alect> |
it will revert all those fields too |
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<alect> |
invaluable |
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<omry|work> |
my first ticket spam. |
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<omry|work> |
thanks |
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<alect> |
if you're brave, you could also try the captcha plugin ;) |
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<omry|work> |
I don't like captchas.. |
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<omry|work> |
its not citical enough yet, if it gets bad I`ll install the captcha |
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<cboos> |
well, what about the "mathematical" captcha, simple, not intrusive, effective (for now...) |
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<omry|work> |
well, I still don't like them. |
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<cboos> |
may I ask why? |
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<alect> |
haha |
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<alect> |
i'm curious as well |
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<alect> |
the only decent reason i've heard is accessibility |
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<omry|wor1> |
ticketdelete works great |
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<omry|wor1> |
thanks. |
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<omry|wor1> |
about the reason - I don't think we should bother humans to prove their identity if we can identify bots automatically. |
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<cboos> |
obviously we can't ;) |
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<alect> |
heh |
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<alect> |
so true |
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<cboos> |
I mean, even if you improve spam detection, it's an arm race, so attacking the problem from different front seems to always a winner |
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<cboos> |
s/to /to be/ |
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<cboos> |
i.e. check that you're not a bot _and_ prove you're a human |
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<cboos> |
even with that, we won't reach 100% |
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<omry|wor2> |
cboos: so its just a matter of percentage. |
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<omry|wor2> |
if I can get good enough results without bothering the user, I will. |
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<omry|wor2> |
if its not good enough, I`ll bother the user. |
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<cboos> |
not only that, I think the user is much more bothered by seeing his input rejected as spam than being shown a simple way through... |
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<omry|wor2> |
cboos: this can be solved by challenging the user with a captcha IF he is detected as a bot. |
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<cboos> |
... that's what I'm arguing for, actually ;) |
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<alect> |
that was suggested by cboos about 1 minute before you joined |
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<omry|wor2> |
its a good suggestion in my opinion. |
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<omry|wor2> |
99% of the users will never be bothered with the captcha, and the 1% that would will have an easy way to say: hey, I`m a human! |
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<cmlenz> |
captchas are still an arms race |
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<omry|wor2> |
cmlenz: well, only if you use humans to solve them. |
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<alect> |
people are solving them algorithmically |
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<cmlenz> |
well, machines will get there |
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<alect> |
neural nets etc. |
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<cboos> |
he, the 2+2 = ? (hint: 4) is there since ages on CvsTrac ... |
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<omry|wor2> |
alect: not any time soon. |
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<alect> |
there are a couple of sites dedicated to it |
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<omry|wor2> |
alect: besides, if spammers will push AI and improve it, maybe its a good thing. |
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<alect> |
omry: sooner than you think: http://sam.zoy.org/pwntcha/ |
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<alect> |
just need to make sure the captchas are difficult enough, but even those will be cracked eventually :( |
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<omry|wor2> |
alect: this site seem to be able to solve specific captchas. |
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<omry|wor2> |
its not a real challenge to fight it. |
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<omry|wor2> |
well, use images. |
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<omry|wor2> |
I mean, pctures |
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<cmlenz> |
erm, difficult image captchas |
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<cmlenz> |
that's what I mean |
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<cmlenz> |
where you have to guess what the text is, and get it wrong 2 times |
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<alect> |
somebody has to classify the pictures though, and there can only be a limited set because they have to be done manually |
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<omry|wor2> |
for example, show a picture, and have a question like : how many trees are in that picture. |
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<omry|wor2> |
thats double captcha. |
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<alect> |
ah |
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<omry|wor2> |
you need visual recognision, and natural language decoding |
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<cmlenz> |
so what about visually impaired users |
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<alect> |
you'd need to make it say "ten trees" |
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<omry|wor2> |
have a voice capcha for them |
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<alect> |
effort |
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<cmlenz> |
oh come on |
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<omry|wor2> |
thats a general problem with capchtas |
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<alect> |
tough luck if you don't speak english :) |
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<omry|wor2> |
not just this one. |
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<alect> |
i'll be interested to see how well a bayesian filter works with trac spam |
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<omry|wor2> |
to remind you, I don't like captchas at all. |
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<cmlenz> |
alect: well, then help out on SpamFilter... it has an experimental bayesian filter and desperately needs testing |
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<alect> |
cmlenz: how do you train it? |
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<cmlenz> |
from webadmin |
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<alect> |
aah |
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<alect> |
does it still work with 0.10? |
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<cmlenz> |
but you currently only can use existing submissions |
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<cmlenz> |
yes |
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<cmlenz> |
still need to add better ways for training, it's all pretty basic right now |
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<alect> |
cool, happy to test |
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<alect> |
does it train+delete or just train? |
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<cmlenz> |
just train |
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<cmlenz> |
have a look... it has a separate logging table |
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<alect> |
ok |
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<alect> |
cmlenz: did you consider divmod's reverend? |
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<cmlenz> |
nope |
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<cmlenz> |
didn't even know about that one |
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<alect> |
it has a nice api |
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<alect> |
but spambayes works, so ... :) |
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<cmlenz> |
well, I'll look into reverend |
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<cmlenz> |
looks pretty simple |
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<alect> |
very much so |
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<alect> |
what version of spambayes are you using? |
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<cmlenz> |
1.1a3 |
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<alect> |
ok. 1.0.4 does not work |
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<cmlenz> |
oh |
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<cmlenz> |
didn't even try that |
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<alect> |
ohmm |
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<alect> |
maybe it's not that... |
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<alect> |
http://paste.lisp.org/display/29086 |
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<cmlenz> |
hmm |
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<alect> |
cmlenz: i'm going to whip up a patch integrating those captcha methods as a fallback when spam detection matches |
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<cmlenz> |
yeah, that may be nice |
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<cmlenz> |
you mean for the spamfilter plug, right? |
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<alect> |
yeah |
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<Arnar> |
hi folks.. |
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<Arnar> |
cmlenz: busy? |
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<cmlenz> |
sort of... what's up? |
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<Arnar> |
I upgraded my trac a few days ago.. and now I can't see the source of python files in my repository.. |
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<Arnar> |
they look like binary files would |
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<Arnar> |
just the last commit message |
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<Arnar> |
I have to click "plain text" or "original format" to get them |
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<Arnar> |
is there some configuration I need to change.. perhaps wrt to mime-types or similar |
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<Arnar> |
just ignore me if you're too busy - it's not a showstopper for me :) |
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<cmlenz> |
definitely check the log |
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<cmlenz> |
@logging |
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<evil_twin> |
cmlenz: "logging" is http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracLogging <-- Enable debug logging to file, ensure your environments log/ directory is writeable by your web server user, check for errors. |
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<Arnar> |
nice.. thanks |
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<sam`> |
hi |
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<sam`> |
building trac svn fails with : error: package directory 'trac/scripts' does not exist |
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<cmlenz> |
oh |
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<cmlenz> |
thanks sam` |
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<cmlenz> |
I'll ix that |
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<cmlenz> |
fix, even |
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<sam`> |
webadmin is now in the core, right ? i can safely remove the TracWebAdmin egg ? |
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<sam`> |
btw, i was wondering : is edgewall a company or just a developers group name ? |
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<sam`> |
the about page is kinda ... 404 :) |
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<cmlenz> |
edgewall.org is "edgewall.org is a place where a community of software developers collaborate on creating exciting open source software based on the Python programming language. It is best known for the popular web-based project management tool Trac." |
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<cmlenz> |
"Edgewall" itself is a one-man company in Sweden run by jonas |
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<cmlenz> |
which basically only does edgewall.org hosting and adsense |
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<alect> |
what happened to the other edgewall people? |
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<alect> |
(.com) |
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<cmlenz> |
there was only daniel lundin, and he moved on to other things (music, mostly) |
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<alect> |
aha |
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<sam`> |
ok |
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<cmlenz> |
sam`: fixed now in svn |
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<sam`> |
i'm looking for a 6 months internship, edgewall sounded interesting, but i don't think it employs interns :) |
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<cmlenz> |
yeah, webadmin is now integrated |
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<sam`> |
cmlenz: thx |
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<cmlenz> |
heh, you'd probably be sitting alone in jonas apartment all day long ;-) |
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<sam`> |
:P |
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<sam`> |
cmlenz: sweet, works much better now :) |
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<cmlenz> |
hmm, I'm gonna try and disable akismet on trac.edgewall.org for a couple hours |
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<cmlenz> |
with ip blacklisting and limiting of external links we're catching a lot of spam without akismet' help |
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<sam`> |
cmlenz: timeline's giving me a 500 ISE here, but only on a particular env |
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<alect> |
it's been disabled on th for 2 or 3 days |
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<alect> |
haven't had much spam at all |
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<cmlenz> |
I suspect th may be getting a different level of spam than teo ;-) |
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<alect> |
assuredly |
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<cmlenz> |
teo has a page rank of 8, making it very attractive to link spammers |
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<alect> |
but it was getting at least a couple a day |
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<alect> |
yeah. th is 5 |
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<alect> |
one annoying thing about setuptools is that for its dependencies to work, all packages have to be installed with it |
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<alect> |
which fails with typical system packages |
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<sam`> |
damn, don't understand, there's no error in the log |
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<sam`> |
even in DEBUG mode |
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<cmlenz> |
what about the apache error log? |
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<sam`> |
nothing much, not even a tracback |
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<sam`> |
[Wed Nov 01 14:23:32 2006] [notice] mod_fcgid: process /usr/share/trac/cgi-bin/trac.fcgi(13419) exit(communication error), terminated by calling exit(), return code: 0 |
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<sam`> |
ticketdelete refuses to work too, now that webadmin is in the core |
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<cmlenz> |
ah yeah... ping coderanger about that one, or asmodai |
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<sam`> |
2006-11-01 14:22:19,422 Trac[__init__] ERROR: Skipping "TracTicketDelete 1.1" ("TracWebAdmin" not found) |
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<sam`> |
coderanger: ping ? |
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<sam`> |
TicketDelete has TracWebAdmin as a dependency |
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<sam`> |
but it won't find it as an egg since it's in trac |
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<sam`> |
here |
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<Arnar> |
cmlenz: I enabled logging.. it says the mime type is text/x-python and that it's trying to render a html preview with SilverCityRenderer.. then there is no error -- just to make sure I downloaded SilverCity 0.9.5 again and installed it but that didn't help.. |
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<Arnar> |
there's no error in the log however.. |
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<sam`> |
asmodai: you should consider removing install_requires = ['TracWebAdmin'] from ticketdelete's setup.py |
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<cmlenz> |
sam`: TicketDelete will need to be changed to work with the webadmin in core |
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<cmlenz> |
simply removing the dependency won't be enough |
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<alect> |
sam: log a ticket on trac-hacks.org |
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<sam`> |
damn :D |
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<asmodai> |
sam`: k |
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<sam`> |
asmodai: read up |
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<sam`> |
might not be enough apparently |
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<asmodai> |
yeah, but regardless it can be removed anyway |
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<cmlenz> |
obviously the package names changed, from webadmin to trac.admin |
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<cmlenz> |
and then some names in the interface changed, too |
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<cboos> |
cmlenz: |
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<cmlenz> |
asmodai: have a look at the tracspamfilter/admin.py which supports both 0.10 and 0.11 |
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<asmodai> |
cmlenz: I got a small meeting in a few minutes, but should be able to hack a bit after that |
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<asmodai> |
cmlenz: That's the sandbox is it? |
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<cmlenz> |
yeah |
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<cboos> |
@wiki TracDev/ApiChanges/0.11 |
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<evil_twin> |
cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/ApiChanges/0.11 |
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<sam`> |
i'll be looking for updates tonight, thx |
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<cboos> |
