Team Chat Logs

2006 10
Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su
    1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30      

November 06, 2006

[00:00:06] <mat> http://pastebin.ca/241513
[00:03:15] <mat> ah, this error is because of my quick switch from cgi to fastcgi
[00:04:25] <mat> ah, nice
[00:04:30] <mat> it works without authentification
[00:05:22] <mat> my session table is probably borked somehow
[00:09:16] <sanmarcos> yep
[00:09:32] <mat> better way to reproduce the error:
[00:09:35] <mat> # trac-admin /var/trac/test permission list
[00:09:35] <mat> Command failed: Cannot operate on a closed database.
[00:09:43] <mat> I've emptied the session table, same result
[00:10:25] <mat> # trac-admin /var/trac/test2 permission list
[00:10:25] <mat> Command failed: Cannot operate on a closed database.
[00:10:32] <mat> and I just initenv'ed trac2 :\
[00:10:36] <mat> s/trac2/test2/
[00:13:27] <mat> and I just realized tracd worked earlier because I hadn't set up auth with it. so it's really just the sessions/permissions that are problematic...
[00:17:53] * Guardian has quit IRC
[00:19:58] * cmlenz has joined #trac
[00:37:12] * Guardian has joined #trac
[00:41:10] <alect> evening
[00:42:57] <alect> cmlenz: do you have the scripts you used for the sqlite->pg conversion on edgewall?
[00:43:23] <cmlenz> dunno, jborg did that
[00:49:42] * asmodai pats cmlenz and alect
[00:49:53] <alect> hey asmodai :)
[00:51:35] <asmodai> How's tricks?
[00:51:45] <alect> not too bad, you?
[00:51:48] * flox has joined #trac
[00:52:11] <asmodai> Being single again and all that, since last night.
[00:52:59] <Getty> dont cry
[00:53:16] <alect> uncool asmodai :(
[00:53:58] <asmodai> Getty: Oh I don't;
[00:56:06] <sanmarcos> man, I feel so existentialist
[00:56:34] <asmodai> alect: But yeah. Basically her own fault.
[00:56:57] <asmodai> alect: Got told, not directly but distilled it from the logic of it all, that she is placing a temporary job above being with me.
[00:57:36] <alect> aah. not a good sign
[00:57:44] <asmodai> alect: nope
[00:58:13] <asmodai> alect: plus some other nonsense that really didn't cut anything.
[00:58:34] * angrymike has joined #trac
[00:58:36] * l0wkey has quit IRC
[01:01:07] * l0wkey has joined #trac
[01:08:46] * mat|work has joined #trac
[01:11:49] * otaku42_away is now known as otaku42
[01:13:45] <otaku42> moin
[01:20:38] * tkp has joined #trac
[01:25:13] * tkp has quit IRC
[01:29:59] * tkp has joined #trac
[01:41:07] * dm8tbr has joined #trac
[01:42:22] <dm8tbr> I've got a strange issue I can't find the source for: Installed plugins appear and disappear every few minutes/seconds. As if they would have <blink> tags around ;)
[01:42:43] <dm8tbr> pointers to FAQ/RTFM appreciated
[01:44:47] <misc> dm8tbr: running mod_python ?
[01:45:02] <dm8tbr> misc: I think so, let me check
[01:45:56] <dm8tbr> silly me, yes of course it's running mod_python. i checked minutes ago the apache config
[01:46:17] <misc> with apache2 ?
[01:46:21] <dm8tbr> yes
[01:46:51] <misc> prefork, worker ?
[01:47:48] <dm8tbr> ii apache2-mpm-prefork 2.0.55-4.1
[01:48:35] <cmlenz> you need to restart the server after installing/activating plugins
[01:48:52] <cmlenz> otherwise not all the server processes "get" that something changed
[01:48:57] <dm8tbr> i thought i did so. I'll try again.
[01:48:59] <dm8tbr> ah, ok
[01:49:53] <misc> the good stuff with thread is that you do not start a server each time
[01:49:58] <misc> the bad stuff with thread is that you do not start a server each time
[01:50:03] <mat|work> anyone for my problem ? :) I still can't see what's wrong :\
[01:50:43] <mat|work> even with a clean project I still get "Cannot operate on a closed database." errors
[01:52:27] <dm8tbr> misc: now i get the picture :)
[02:00:20] <asmodai> mmm
[02:04:56] * hikozaemon has quit IRC
[02:07:09] <asmodai> oww oww
[02:07:31] * asmodai gets an evil idea for a trac hack
[02:07:32] <asmodai> errr
[02:07:41] <asmodai> coderanger / alect: trac-hacks.org down?
[02:08:17] <alect> yeah
[02:08:27] <alect> just tuning the search engine blocks
[02:08:34] <alect> they're spanking the site
[02:09:35] <asmodai> *spank!*
[02:10:28] <alect> it's not as fun as it sounds
[02:11:49] <asmodai> It isn't?
[02:12:32] * asmodai pouts
[02:13:43] * Arnar_ has joined #trac
[02:17:41] * Arnar has quit IRC
[02:19:28] <asmodai> mmm
[02:20:04] <asmodai> is it possible to generate an image on the fly and show that in a webpage, or does the image have to exist on the filesystem before you can even show it off?
[02:22:27] <misc> you can do it using php, so technically yes, but maybe i didn't understood the question
[02:24:12] <asmodai> misc: a webpage, which is a cgi process, which I want to let generate an image on the fly based on current data
[02:24:52] <asmodai> misc: I wonder if I really need to generate a filesystem level object (file) or if I can generate it on-the-fly and push it out.
[02:25:12] <asmodai> Transient use, so to speak.
[02:25:20] <misc> well, you can generate it on the fly, afaik
[02:26:02] <asmodai> misc: I am just wondering how that hooks into <img src="" /> or whether I need to make the location src points to another url/cgi page that generates the image
[02:27:24] <asmodai> Guess I cannot escape pointing to an url though
[02:29:33] <asmodai> *digs*
[02:48:03] <cmlenz> asmodai: you can use the "data:" URL scheme to pack image data inline
[02:49:12] <alect> asmodai: check out the captcha plugin for on-the fly image generation
[02:49:23] <alect> accessing /captcha/image generates a new captcha
[02:50:16] * idnar has quit IRC
[02:50:19] * idnar_ has joined #trac
[02:50:47] <asmodai> cmlenz: oww
[02:50:58] <asmodai> alect: is that edgewall or trac-hacks?
[02:51:17] <asmodai> cmlenz: If this works out I will have a very evil thing :)
[02:51:22] <alect> tth
[02:51:44] <asmodai> Oh sure, IE still doesn't support it
[02:51:46] <asmodai> THE BITCH
[02:53:12] <asmodai> oh schweeeeet
[02:58:40] <otaku42> asmodai: care to let us know about the evilness of your thought? :)
[02:58:51] <otaku42> s/let us know/tell us/
[02:58:53] <asmodai> gimme a while to work this out ;)
[02:58:57] <otaku42> ok
[02:59:02] * otaku42 holds breath
[02:59:17] * otaku42 turns red
[02:59:25] * jesterKing tickles otaku42
[02:59:29] <asmodai> haha
[02:59:30] * otaku42 turns purple
[02:59:43] * otaku42 tries hard not to laugh and breath...
[02:59:49] * otaku42 fails
[02:59:50] <otaku42> :)
[03:03:07] <asmodai> hahah
[03:04:34] <asmodai> mmm, now to fix the apparent bug
[03:07:43] <asmodai> one fixed, time for the next
[03:11:40] * prologic has quit IRC
[03:11:49] <Rica> How works BadContent on trac-hacks ? Is it possible to implement such engine on our TRAC ?
[03:12:04] <asmodai> Just edit a wiki page BadContent
[03:12:12] * rsalveti1 has joined #trac
[03:12:29] <Rica> what is the result asmodai ?
[03:12:46] <Rica> all submissions containing this url are dismissed ?
[03:13:56] <asmodai> BadContent is a page with values that will be used in regexp matches
[03:13:57] <asmodai> w00t
[03:14:04] <asmodai> http://labs.in-nomine.org/
[03:14:09] <asmodai> see the bottom graphic :)
[03:14:13] * asmodai has it working
[03:14:21] <Rica> going there , ty for tips :p
[03:14:24] <asmodai> errh
[03:14:30] <asmodai> that's not for you :)
[03:14:40] <Rica> oh :p lol ok :)
[03:15:07] <asmodai> Rica: http://trac.tendra.org/wiki/BadContent - here you can also see how I use Python regexps
[03:15:24] <asmodai> Rica: the spamfilter will use these to see if postings contain these regexps
[03:15:33] <asmodai> otaku42: that's what I was working on :)
[03:16:52] <otaku42> asmodai: what's the purpose of that?
[03:17:33] * dm8tbr has left #trac
[03:19:17] * DepretioN has quit IRC
[03:22:10] <asmodai> otaku42: never heard of sparklines?
[03:23:03] <otaku42> asmodai: that doesn't ring a bell
[03:23:10] <otaku42> asmodai: let me google...
[03:25:13] <otaku42> asmodai: ok, now i know what they are, but i don't understand the context you plan to use them...
[03:29:58] * DepretioN has joined #trac
[03:34:31] * rsalveti has quit IRC
[03:34:34] * rsalveti1 is now known as rsalveti
[03:35:23] * gans20|malchik has joined #trac
[03:35:27] <gans20|malchik> hello
[03:35:58] <gans20|malchik> is it possible to show svn's blame command result in trac's browser?
[03:40:02] * jesterKing is now known as amino
[03:44:57] * jnoon__ has quit IRC
[03:45:45] <otaku42> gans20|malchik: no, but that's work in progress for 0.11 or later. see http://trac.edgewall.org/milestone/0.11 and http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/branches/cmlenz-dev/blame
[03:47:41] <gans20|malchik> thats cool
[04:02:11] * DepretioN has quit IRC
[04:10:33] * s0undt3ch_ has joined #trac
[04:21:05] <asmodai> otaku42: Imagine these for a milestone view
[04:21:17] <asmodai> otaku42: tickets closed per day or so
[04:21:58] <asmodai> Or for a svn browser view, commits per day, in one view you can see how 'alive' something is ;)
[04:24:07] <otaku42> asmodai: oh, yes, indeed... cool idea
[04:24:18] * s0undt3ch has quit IRC
[04:24:19] * s0undt3ch_ is now known as s0undt3ch
[04:35:44] * sam` is now known as sam`ut
[04:47:11] <otaku42> ah, done with the waiting tasks in the office. now i finally can spend some time on the spam filter plugin idea i carried with me during the last two months or so
[05:12:58] * divya has quit IRC
[05:14:08] * amino is now known as jesterKing
[05:22:41] <exarkun> so trac leaks memory now I guess
[05:23:04] <exarkun> my server doesn't segfault every day anymore, which just means that it runs out of memory while rendering pages instead
[05:29:18] * m_g has joined #trac
[05:32:05] * s0undt3ch_ has joined #trac
[05:32:18] * idnar_ is now known as idnar
[05:43:09] <asmodai> ok
[05:43:30] <asmodai> is it me or am I the only one to consider fcgi's PATH_INFO and SCRIPT_NAME to be the exact opposites of each other?
[05:45:51] * s0undt3ch has quit IRC
[05:45:51] * s0undt3ch_ is now known as s0undt3ch
[05:45:59] <cmlenz> exarkun: you're running trunk?
[06:09:40] * Gruf has quit IRC
[06:10:26] * Gruf has joined #trac
[06:13:15] * jesterKing is now known as amino
[06:21:17] <asmodai> Oh nice, someone added a patch for the fcgi PATH_INFO/SCRIPT_NAME messup with lighttpd.
[06:21:20] <asmodai> http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/ticket/729
[06:35:05] * d7rt has joined #trac
[06:37:46] * groton has joined #trac
[06:38:11] <groton> hello. anyone could tell me how to put the sources of my project on the Browse Source feature of Trac?
[06:39:33] <Rica> !g trac template macro
[06:39:39] <Rica> oups wrong channel
[06:40:15] <Rica> groton: hmm commit them on your svn
[06:40:49] <groton> i have a svn repo where i store all the sources, but i cant find how to set Trac to be a front end of my svn repo
[06:41:38] <Rica> configure your trac.ini with your repos path... but better read again trac installation on wiki
[06:42:07] <groton> well, maybe i missed that part
[06:43:22] <Rica> I used in fact this ressource to install svn/Trac http://www.destination-linux.org/article52.html , unluckily for you perhaps it's in french but was very usefull
[06:43:26] <groton> in this page it is not clear what to do to : /Trac/wiki/TracBrowser
[06:44:33] <Rica> take look in commands from the link above perhaps it will help you
[06:46:20] * entreprenerd has quit IRC
[06:46:22] <exarkun> cmlenz: r4045
[06:46:27] <exarkun> cmlenz: I filed a ticket
[06:46:57] <groton> i guess i just have to change this setting i did when i created the environment, but dunno how: Path to repository [/var/svn/test]> /home/svn/monprojet
[06:47:09] <cmlenz> exarkun: which genshi version?
[06:47:32] <exarkun> trunk@395
[06:48:01] <cmlenz> hmm
[06:48:49] <Rica> groton: locate trac.ini and edit path there
[06:49:48] <groton> i read this in the Trac.ini file: "repository_dir = C:\svn_root
[06:49:48] <groton> " COuld i change that without upside effects ?
[06:50:33] <Rica> yes you need to
[06:50:40] <Rica> and restart apache also
[06:50:49] <groton> ok, lemme try
[06:55:01] * rsalveti has quit IRC
[06:55:23] <groton> Rica, thanks a lot ;)
[06:55:33] <Rica> yw
[06:57:50] * gans20|malchik has quit IRC
[07:01:04] * rsalveti has joined #trac
[07:03:38] * danbeck has joined #trac
[07:16:34] * amino has quit IRC
[07:20:50] * converter has joined #trac
[07:35:40] <asmodai> mmm
[07:35:52] <asmodai> is it me or does Ryan not seem to do much with lesscode.org anymore?
[07:39:14] <asmodai> http://naeblis.cx/weblog/2006/09/04/i-hate-this-place - seems he's doing more with RoR nowadays
[07:52:48] * agile has quit IRC
[08:00:51] * marc2marc2 has joined #trac
[08:09:42] * LarstiQ has joined #trac
[08:13:04] * frankg has quit IRC
[08:13:44] * sanmarcos has quit IRC
[08:14:32] * chandlerc has joined #trac
[08:30:44] * flox has quit IRC
[08:32:26] * don-o_ has joined #trac
[08:32:44] <don-o_> how can i get trac to tell me the URL of the svn repo?
[08:35:05] * agile has joined #trac
[08:36:07] <m_g> can I somehow order the results of a report by the last modified date. I'd like to get a list of the tickets that were fixed last week
[08:36:11] <coderanger> don-o_: You can't
[08:36:15] * chandlerc has quit IRC
[08:37:05] <don-o_> coderanger: duo!
[08:37:17] <don-o_> coderanger: i mean dou!
[08:37:57] <coderanger> don-o_: Trac only sees the repo as a local directory, it doesn't know what remote access methods you have setup
[08:38:17] <coderanger> Most projects make a wiki page with that info
[08:40:52] <don-o_> coderanger: in this case it the url turned out to be the trac url with /trac/ replaced with /svn/. thank for the help.
[08:43:19] * entreprenerd has joined #trac
[08:43:52] <don-o_> entreprenerd: nice nick. /me laughs
[08:53:59] * otaku42 is now known as otaku42_away
[08:53:59] * ekimus has joined #trac
[09:00:09] * phoenixz has joined #trac
[09:00:41] * sven_oostenbrink has joined #trac
[09:22:36] * hpnadig has quit IRC
[09:24:01] * hpnadig has joined #trac
[09:24:17] * phoenixz has quit IRC
[09:24:18] * sven_oostenbrink has quit IRC
[09:28:20] * flox_ has joined #trac
[09:28:26] * flox_ is now known as flox
[09:32:25] * phoenixz has joined #trac
[09:32:52] * sven_oostenbrink has joined #trac
[09:41:05] * groton has quit IRC
[09:42:54] * hpnadig_ has joined #trac
[09:49:37] * hpnadig has quit IRC
[10:05:10] * hpnadig_ has quit IRC
[10:05:53] * hpnadig_ has joined #trac
[10:14:51] * d7rt has quit IRC
[10:20:28] * d7rt has joined #trac
[10:27:00] * jborg has joined #trac
[10:31:12] * don-o_ has left #trac
[10:35:15] * ekimus has quit IRC
[10:40:58] * Guardian has quit IRC
[10:41:20] * dkg0 has joined #trac
[10:42:04] <dkg0> i notice that the trac installation about trac itself has a big fat warning above the ticket submission form: http://trac.edgewall.org/newticket
[10:42:19] <dkg0> what's the cleanest, most upgradeable way to do something similar in my own installation?
[10:42:49] * o_cee has quit IRC
[10:45:49] <jborg> dkg0, Just add some html to your $env/templates/site_newticket.cs file
[10:46:31] <dkg0> jborg: thanks, i don't know why i didn't see that before. that does the trick for me.
[10:48:25] <nextime> mumble, i' using tracscreenshot plugin on a old 0.9.6 trac env, and i call it with a proxypass done via rewrite on apache with mod_python, but when i click the screenshot navbar button, it redirect me on the "real" url, not in the rewrited one
[10:48:32] <nextime> any idea on how to solve this?
[10:49:36] * gans20|malchik has joined #trac
[10:51:22] <gans20|malchik> is it possible to make private pages in trac? so that only me could view it?
[10:51:56] <gans20|malchik> s/it/them
[10:52:13] <pacopablo> gans20|malchik: not really
[10:52:42] <gans20|malchik> thats bad
[10:53:02] <dkg0> gans20|malchik: that's not really the use case that trac is going for, i think.
[10:53:39] <pacopablo> gans20|malchik: you can wait until the security branch is merged
[10:53:43] <gans20|malchik> imaging that you creating some document but its still not ready to be pudlished - draft
[10:53:43] <pacopablo> then you can do it, but not currently
[10:54:04] <gans20|malchik> s/imaging/imagine
[10:54:23] <gans20|malchik> pacopablo, for how long its planned to be merged?
[10:54:42] <pacopablo> not sure if it's planne dofr 0.11 or 0.12
[10:54:49] <pacopablo> er, planned for
[10:55:23] <gans20|malchik> okay
[10:56:57] * cmlenz has quit IRC
[10:58:54] * hotte has joined #trac
[11:00:10] * o_cee has joined #trac
[11:01:36] * imajes has quit IRC
[11:02:32] * imajes has joined #trac
[11:03:03] * Guardian has joined #trac
[11:03:09] * rsalveti has left #trac
[11:10:06] * sam`ut is now known as sam`
[11:12:15] * Hydra^WRK has quit IRC
[11:13:48] * hpnadig_ has quit IRC
[11:14:57] * hpnadig_ has joined #trac
[11:16:55] * xp_prg has joined #trac
[11:21:21] * dkg0 has quit IRC
[11:33:11] * cmlenz has joined #trac
[11:51:45] <pacopablo> hmm, am I right in assuming that it would be hard to get at the req object from a wiki syntax provider?
[11:52:06] * IamLordV1ldemort has joined #trac
[11:52:22] * Getty has quit IRC
[11:52:49] * Getty has joined #trac
[11:53:51] <pacopablo> hmm, maybe not. it loks liek the formatter object has a reference to the req object
[11:54:03] <pacopablo> anyone know under what circumstances that wouldn't be set?
[11:54:27] <pacopablo> rather, normal viewing of pages would have that set, correct?
[11:57:01] <coderanger> "never"
[11:57:12] <coderanger> it needs it to pass through to macro invocations
[11:58:01] <coderanger> it is possible to call wiki_to_html without it, but any macros in the wiki text will case an error
[12:01:18] * iXce has joined #trac
[12:01:25] <iXce> hi
[12:01:52] <iXce> cmlenz : any chance to reach you here? ^^
[12:06:56] <coderanger> jborg/cmlenz: RSS feeds work again, thanky :)
[12:07:15] <cmlenz> iXce: yeah
[12:07:19] <iXce> cmlenz : great :)
[12:07:41] <iXce> i'm trying to get your shiny new SpamFilter up, since Akismet gives me so many false positives >.<
[12:08:01] <jborg> coderanger, yeah, I committed cmlenz's patch that only tries to add form tokes when outputting html.
[12:08:46] <iXce> but i'm getting a bad error from trac, telling me to upgrade the environment.. i just did it, but there's nothing to update (that's what trac-admin said). it sounds like (as described on the wiki) the webadmin stuff needs to have some database updates
[12:08:55] <iXce> (i'm using trac 0.10)
[12:09:00] <coderanger> jborg: It should probably add tokens to 'application/xhtml+xml' too
[12:09:54] <imajes> cmlenz: hey there
[12:10:11] <imajes> cmlenz: do you know if it is safe to convert from trac to 0.10 ?
[12:10:26] <imajes> er, s/trac/trunk/
[12:11:16] * matt_good has joined #trac
[12:11:35] <asmodai> jborg: Aften!
[12:11:54] <jborg> asmodai, howdy
[12:12:01] <asmodai> jborg: How's the weather? And you too? :)
[12:12:23] <jborg> coderanger, I don't think we have any application/xhtml+xml output with forms.
[12:12:31] <cmlenz> imajes: depends... database-wise it's no problem
[12:12:45] <imajes> cmlenz: the guys i host have made comments about it
[12:12:53] <coderanger> jborg: A plugin might use it though
[12:13:04] <cmlenz> iXce: make sure trac-admin and the webserver are using the same trac version
[12:13:24] <cmlenz> imajes: what comments?
[12:13:32] <imajes> it is more broken then before
[12:13:35] <imajes> plugins don't work
[12:13:35] <imajes> etc
[12:13:46] * The_Tick has joined #trac
[12:13:54] <iXce> looks like it's the same version, both are 0.10
[12:13:56] <imajes> tick can tell you the gripes
[12:14:09] <The_Tick> hmm?
[12:14:45] <cmlenz> iXce: then probably trac-admin isn't loading the spamfilter plugin
[12:14:57] <cmlenz> iXce: do some debug logging
[12:14:59] <cmlenz> @logging
[12:14:59] <evil_twin> cmlenz: "logging" is http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracLogging <-- Enable debug logging to file, ensure your environments log/ directory is writeable by your web server user, check for errors.
[12:15:22] <imajes> The_Tick: as for why you guys want to downgrade
[12:15:33] <iXce> okay
[12:15:33] <The_Tick> because it's a production machine
[12:15:34] <iXce> yeah
[12:15:44] <The_Tick> and it's fucking stupid to run development code on a production machine
[12:15:48] <The_Tick> it fucking crashes all the time
[12:15:50] <The_Tick> and everything
[12:16:20] <The_Tick> adium trac and growl trac and virtu trac are not playtoys for us to go and just implement things all willy nilly
[12:16:22] <imajes> most of the crashing was other stuff, and i'm not sure it'd stop if we switched
[12:16:32] <The_Tick> I don't care
[12:16:43] <The_Tick> we shouldn't use .11dev without a good reason
[12:16:48] <The_Tick> .10dev was for spam filtering
[12:16:51] <The_Tick> which was the only good reason
[12:16:59] <The_Tick> because trac is fucking useless without it
[12:17:09] <iXce> oh yeah
[12:17:11] <The_Tick> at least for us
[12:17:27] <iXce> trac-admin is using python 2.4 while webserver is using 2.3...
[12:17:32] <The_Tick> we NEED .10 though
[12:17:38] <The_Tick> simpleticket is a requirement
[12:17:41] <The_Tick> .11dev won't work with it
[12:17:42] <The_Tick> period
[12:18:03] <The_Tick> you know, unless someone fixes it, but that's not the point
[12:18:10] <coderanger> I should probably do that :P
[12:18:18] <The_Tick> it's just an example
[12:18:24] <The_Tick> we don't need to be running a development build
[12:18:29] <The_Tick> unless it's absolutely necessary
[12:18:33] <The_Tick> it's not
[12:18:45] <The_Tick> you know, unless you have a convincing argument
[12:18:50] <The_Tick> but genshi won't cut that
[12:19:03] <coderanger> There is a possible justification for 0.10-stable (the recent csrf stuff), but thats about it
[12:19:20] <The_Tick> not to mention the fact
[12:19:29] <The_Tick> who the fuck is running .11dev besides trac devs and us?
[12:19:33] <The_Tick> and ilias
[12:19:45] <The_Tick> maybe not even him
[12:19:50] <coderanger> A fair number of people, as I keep getting requests to port stuff to Genshi
[12:20:01] <The_Tick> and do they have 6k tickets?
[12:20:19] <The_Tick> or users who get confused at ANYTHING other than a version and component drop down?
[12:20:29] <The_Tick> there's no reason for it
[12:20:49] <iXce> cmlenz : it worked! thank you so much :)
[12:21:04] <cmlenz> iXce: what was the problem?
[12:21:05] <The_Tick> the fact that imajes isn't sure that it'd stop crashing if we'd switch is a problem
[12:21:26] <iXce> cmlenz : webserver was using python 2.3, trac-admin python 2.4
[12:21:34] <The_Tick> but it's a much bigger problem to have a roadmap that doesn't work
[12:21:39] <The_Tick> to have tickets that are filed incorrectly
[12:21:50] <The_Tick> to have the template broken
[12:22:03] <The_Tick> and all sorts of random weirdness based on the fact that we're running .11dev
[12:22:30] <The_Tick> is it only templates that got changed with the upgrade?
[12:22:39] <The_Tick> or is there some other breakage we're going to need to be concerned about?
[12:27:06] <matt_good> The_Tick: you mean breakage if you downgrade?
[12:27:49] <The_Tick> yes
[12:28:18] <matt_good> no, the only other problem would be database upgrades, but there haven't been any since the 0.10 release
[12:28:26] <The_Tick> ok, great
[12:28:32] <The_Tick> then we're going back to .10
[12:28:54] <The_Tick> we have too many users to run experimental, sorry guys
[12:31:14] <cmlenz> np, understood
[12:31:55] <cmlenz> 0.11dev has been very fast-paced so far, and there's been quite a bit of breakage on trunk in this cycle, unfortunately
[12:32:02] <The_Tick> aye
[12:32:59] <cmlenz> what other plugins are you relying on?</