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November 14, 2006

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[00:07:14] <BladeHawke> Well, the request filter I made took a heck of a lot longer than I expected. I didn't read through enough to understand what data IRequestFilters had, so I spent hours trying to figure out why the filter was messing up
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[00:36:17] <otaku42> moin
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[00:38:03] <ico> My trac just broke, message is :'module' object has no attribute 'quote_cookie_value'
[00:38:06] <ico> any ideas ?
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[01:51:16] <fook> I am still struggling with the Nav bar, the navmover plugin seems only allow either metanav or mainnav to be displayed and it is not what I am asking for. What I am trying to do is like this site: https://kashmir.g33xnexus.com/projects/precursors/wiki , I want to move some less frequently used items to the metanav, like the search and tags. Is it possible to do it? I am using Trac 0.10.2.
[02:01:46] <__doc__> so any intentions of redistributing http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracPygmentsPlugin together with trac (for any who are annoyed with silvercity)?
[02:15:24] <cmlenz> yeah
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[02:35:44] <artm> hi. is there a wysiwyg editor for trac?
[02:40:14] <artm> me found TinyMCE plugin...
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[02:44:12] <didier> Hi
[02:44:39] <didier> I would like to change the accesskey of 'New Ticket' but I can't find in which .cs file it is
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[02:49:55] <Wombert> 0.10.2 still doesn't fix that issue where the timeline breaks
[02:50:00] <Wombert> wiki -> browse source -> timeline and baaaaam
[02:50:06] <Wombert> nternal Error
[02:50:06] <Wombert> Repository checkins event provider (ChangesetModule) failed:
[02:50:06] <Wombert> NoSuchChangeset: No changeset 1341 in the repository
[02:53:14] <otaku42> Wombert: i had that with a project i moved on a different server. after moving a more current version of the trac environment there without updating the subversion repository, i had similar problems
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[05:20:17] <mitsuhiko> matt_good: pingeling :D
[05:20:34] <mitsuhiko> __doc__: +1 for the redistribution
[05:20:56] <mitsuhiko> but only if it's possible to use the pygments styles additional to the trac style
[05:21:02] <mitsuhiko> (maybe via config setting)
[05:21:36] <__doc__> well in trac you have a choice between silvercity and that other thing (which never works)
[05:21:47] <__doc__> and silvercity is a C package
[05:22:08] <mitsuhiko> __doc__: that other thing is enscript
[05:22:13] <__doc__> yeah that
[05:22:16] <mitsuhiko> and that works better for me than silvercity
[05:22:51] <mitsuhiko> the problem is that the trac default stylesheet has to few css classes
[05:23:09] <mitsuhiko> __doc__: ruby (^^) for example needs much more tokens
[05:23:16] <mitsuhiko> because of different (and nested) string classes
[05:23:38] <__doc__> you could have a stylesheet for the highlighters
[05:23:45] <__doc__> say for instance with a naming scheme
[05:24:07] <__doc__> .pygments_someclass
[05:24:32] <mitsuhiko> __doc__: or just add a config to switch to the builtin pygments html formatter class
[05:24:45] <mitsuhiko> which generates stylesheets out of pygments style classes
[05:24:51] <__doc__> ya
[05:25:10] <__doc__> anyway, it should switch on once pygments is plugged into trac
[05:25:26] <mitsuhiko> __doc__: do you use myghty?
[05:25:50] <mitsuhiko> we need someone who writes a myghty lexer :D
[05:26:04] <__doc__> nah never used it
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[05:26:32] <__doc__> mitsuhiko: considered looking at vim hl files?
[05:26:55] <mitsuhiko> __doc__: jep. but maybe someone is interested in writing one
[05:27:05] <mitsuhiko> converting vim highlighters is the last thing i do :)
[05:27:15] <mitsuhiko> very boring indeed
[05:28:44] <__doc__> integrate the vim, emacs, etc. format ^^
[05:28:58] <mitsuhiko> haa haa: http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2006/11/13/numbers-show-less-than-one-game-purchased-for-every-ps3-sold.htm
[05:29:09] <mitsuhiko> __doc__: we have a vim colorscheme converter :)
[05:30:09] <__doc__> see ^^
[05:31:16] <mitsuhiko> .oO( the vim color list is very funny :) )
[05:32:18] <mitsuhiko> there are colors like "lightgoldenrodyellow", "lemonchiffon3", "paleturquoise4", "mediumspringgreen" and 200 types of gray
[05:35:23] <__doc__> mitsuhiko: 200 types of gray is good, considering that there's about 56 more types of meaningfull greys that's an abstraction of about 10%!
[05:36:08] <coderanger> And considering that your average terminal can probably display 5 of those ...
[05:36:29] <mitsuhiko> __doc__: gray0 == grey0 == 0 == black == darkgray0 == darkgrey0
[05:36:32] <mitsuhiko> very meaningful :D
[05:36:45] <mitsuhiko> coderanger: jep :D
[05:39:47] <Gruf> ansel adams split grays into 7 zones. use zones.
[05:40:25] <coderanger> ansel adams was also working with a somewhat better medium than an xterm
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[06:08:49] <demianturner> afternoon - can anyone point to a location in the Trac src that uses logging?
[06:09:59] <coderanger> What do you mean?
[06:10:12] <demianturner> i need to debug some code and don't know how to call tlhe logger
[06:10:20] <coderanger> self.log.debug
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[06:10:29] <demianturner> excellent, ta
[06:10:29] <coderanger> its just the normal python logging system
[06:10:37] <demianturner> i'm not a python coder ;-)
[06:10:43] <coderanger> search for 'logging' in the library ref
[06:10:51] <demianturner> ok, thanks
[06:10:52] <coderanger> docs.python.org/lib
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[07:16:28] <otaku42> coderanger: ping
[07:16:34] <coderanger> Yo
[07:17:22] <otaku42> coderanger: howdy :) anything new about tracbl? didn't follow the development and/or discussion over the weekend and yesterday
[07:17:38] <coderanger> nope, been working on schoolwork for the last little while
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[07:23:16] <otaku42> coderanger: ah, ok. i'm currently working on setting up a nameserver for an experimental rbldnsd instance on a server, to have something to play with and learn
[07:23:58] <otaku42> coderanger: i've sent a description of the idea I had (and that you also described here in the channel earlier) about how to improve the recognition rate of such blocklists
[07:24:25] <otaku42> erm... that should read: i've sent ... to surbl-discuss
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[07:24:27] <coderanger> cool
[07:24:53] <otaku42> see: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.rbl.surbl/5313
[07:30:15] <coderanger> looks good
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[07:30:37] <coderanger> though my brain is somewhat fried ATM
[07:35:21] <demianturner> hi again - i've got a strange error in Trac 0.10 after uploading an attachment, any ideas? http://paste.seagullproject.org/172
[07:37:57] <cmlenz> demianturner: that's fixed in 0.10.2 (it's related to a change in the recent python 2.4 security update)
[07:38:06] <demianturner> ouch
[07:38:23] <demianturner> cmlenz, can i upgrade trac easily with debian?
[07:45:19] <demianturner> cmlenz, debian offers trac 0.10.1.svn4235-1, is that enough to fix prob?
[07:45:27] <demianturner> or is there some hack i can do?
[07:45:39] <cmlenz> I think that may work, but am not sure
[07:45:40] <coderanger> grrrr
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[07:45:45] <coderanger> http://www.coderanger.net/tracs/tracdev/wiki/SandBox
[07:45:53] <demianturner> cmlenz, ok, ta
[07:45:59] <coderanger> why is the wiki formatter intercepting that text?
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[07:53:20] <andrewdied> I'm migrating to trac from StarTeam for bug tracking. Is there a way to have QA, rather than the coders, close the tickets? The folks here are used to the two-tiered close system, where a developer says it's fixed, and then the bug is verified and closed by a tester.
[07:53:50] <coderanger> andrewdied: Take a look at the workflow branch
[07:54:10] <demianturner> cmlenz, 0.10.1 has done the trick - thanks ;-)
[07:54:33] <andrewdied> coderanger: Is that branch in the trac svn, then?
[07:54:38] <coderanger> Yes
[07:57:10] <andrewdied> coderanger: Is that one of the branches at http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/branches, or do I break out my commandline svn foo?
[07:57:39] <coderanger> http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/sandbox/workflow
[07:58:16] <coderanger> @wiki WorkFlow
[07:58:16] <evil_twin> coderanger: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WorkFlow
[07:58:36] <andrewdied> Danke.
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[08:04:28] <mitsuhiko> matt_good: pingeling :)
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[08:08:23] <demianturner> just out of curiosity, is anyone a core Trac dev here?
[08:09:34] <coderanger> matt and cmlenz
[08:09:45] <demianturner> ok, ta
[08:10:19] <demianturner> for the record, i upgraded for the record, i upgraded from the ancient 0.9.1 to 0.10.x recently and although the many improvements are wonderful, i noticed quite a big performance hit
[08:11:03] <coderanger> How are you running Trac?
[08:11:17] <demianturner> eyeballing page requests and browser response time, newer version seems perhaps twice as slow
[08:11:20] <demianturner> mod_python
[08:11:29] <coderanger> what mpm
[08:11:40] <demianturner> single-threaded
[08:11:48] <coderanger> so prefork
[08:11:52] <coderanger> don't do that :P
[08:11:53] <demianturner> yes
[08:12:05] <demianturner> everything else i run is PHP ;-)
[08:12:12] <coderanger> worker is much nicer with mod_python
[08:12:20] <demianturner> which falls to pieces on worker
[08:12:28] <coderanger> heh
[08:12:32] <demianturner> ok, good to know
[08:12:50] <coderanger> mod_python keeps things like the code and env cache as thread global
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[08:13:04] <coderanger> so you only need to do the init once per process
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[08:13:37] <demianturner> interesting
[08:14:08] <demianturner> dont' know if others are making similar comments, perhaps PHP devs, but former snappiness was one of Trac's great features
[08:14:23] <demianturner> in PHP world we have too many obese, poorly performing apps
[08:14:23] <coderanger> once all your preforks get loaded, it should be the same speed
[08:14:33] <demianturner> ok
[08:14:48] <coderanger> so the first few requests are slow
[08:14:50] <demianturner> snappiness is a relatively rare and great feature ;-)
[08:15:28] <demianturner> it's a big difference, feels like Trac is written in java or something
[08:15:43] <coderanger> I would play with your server config
[08:15:52] <demianturner> k
[08:16:00] <coderanger> it works very well on my machines under mod_python :)
[08:16:11] <demianturner> is debian still preferred Trac OS, i mean what devs use?
[08:16:21] <coderanger> There isn't one
[08:16:40] <demianturner> i had impression before they all used trac
[08:16:48] <demianturner> damn, debian
[08:16:53] <coderanger> Its a decent mix from what I've seen
[08:17:02] <coderanger> t.e.o runs on debian
[08:17:21] <demianturner> ok
[08:17:22] <coderanger> Alec likes crux (and thats what trac-hacks is on)
[08:17:32] <coderanger> I think cboos develops on windows
[08:17:44] <demianturner> am just getting into trac-hacks, some great stuff
[08:17:48] <demianturner> ouch
[08:18:01] <coderanger> debian is generally pretty bad about keeping things up to date
[08:18:03] <demianturner> he sorted out my last problem ;-)
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[08:23:40] <matt_good> Debian's usually been pretty good about packaging new releases
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[08:24:03] <matt_good> I use Ubuntu now, so there's a 6 month gap between releases
[08:26:28] <matt_good> of course Debian stable will be a long time between updates
[08:26:46] <matt_good> and AFAIK there haven't been backports of the Trac packages
[08:26:50] <demianturner> i just recently switched to debian unstable and find it a nightmare
[08:27:00] <demianturner> am dying to go back to fedora
[08:27:51] <matt_good> I used unstable as my desktop for a few year, and I can't stand Fedora
[08:28:00] <demianturner> hehe
[08:28:04] <coderanger> yay for gentoo
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[08:28:15] <demianturner> desktop is flexible, but things have to work well on the server
[08:28:38] <matt_good> yeah, I wouldn't use unstable on a server, that's what stable's for
[08:28:40] <demianturner> i upgraded trac from 0.10 to 0.10.1 and the bastard forcde me to update around 20 packages
[08:29:00] <demianturner> matt_good, sure find if you dn't mind using trac 0.7 or whatever it is
[08:29:38] <demianturner> my apt-get output: http://paste.seagullproject.org/173
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[08:32:35] <matt_good> hrm, never had XChat crash on me before
[08:32:45] <gordonjcp> irssi + screen ftw
[08:32:47] <matt_good> demianturner: apt-get install trac
[08:32:59] <matt_good> I believe "upgrade" always tries to upgrade everything possible
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[08:34:12] <mitsuhiko> matt_good: ping ping ping :D
[08:34:20] <mitsuhiko> you can't hide :D
[08:34:23] <matt_good> demianturner: though now Ubuntu Dapper might make a good server distro
[08:34:28] <coderanger> http://www.coderanger.net/tracs/tracdev/wiki/SandBox
[08:34:37] <coderanger> needs a bunch of CSS love, but it works :)
[08:34:38] <matt_good> mitsuhiko: heh
[08:34:42] <mitsuhiko> hoi matt :)
[08:34:57] <demianturner> matt_good, 'install' works even if it is an upgrade? good to know, talk about unintuitive
[08:34:59] <mitsuhiko> matt_good: as you probably know i use the TracPygments plugin myself :)
[08:35:07] <mitsuhiko> but i have the builtin trac style disabled
[08:35:16] <mitsuhiko> because there are too few css classes
[08:35:19] <matt_good> demianturner: Dapper's a bit more recent than Debian stable, but they still keep up security updates
[08:35:30] <mitsuhiko> would there be a way to use the styles of pygments itself?
[08:35:36] <mitsuhiko> (without inline styles like i do that now)
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[08:35:50] <mitsuhiko> demianturner: i'm using dapper for all my servers. works pretty well :)
[08:36:03] <demianturner> thanks guys, i'll have to check it out
[08:36:33] <mitsuhiko> something like
[08:36:35] <mitsuhiko> [pygments]
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[08:36:41] <mitsuhiko> use_pygments_style=pastie
[08:36:44] <matt_good> mitsuhiko: well, originally I was putting the stuff inline, but that's ugly
[08:37:00] <Pistos> I'm getting this old error, and I forget how I fixed it in the past:
[08:37:01] <mitsuhiko> matt_good: yeah. but i really would like to use the styles of pygments
[08:37:01] <Pistos> EnvironmentError: The environment options "TRAC_ENV" or "TRAC_ENV_PARENT_DIR" or the mod_python options "TracEnv" or "TracEnvParentDir" are missing. Trac requires one of these options to locate the Trac environment(s).
[08:37:08] <Pistos> (it is being set, AFAICT)
[08:37:51] <matt_good> mitsuhiko: yeah, I look into it
[08:37:56] <mitsuhiko> cool :)
[08:39:01] <Pistos> I'm trying with FastCGI.
[08:39:48] <mitsuhiko> Pistos: probably not set ;)
[08:39:56] <mitsuhiko> paste the server config :D
[08:40:16] <Pistos> mitsuhiko: Actually, I forgot that FastCGI needs specific configuration for Trac.
[08:40:19] <Pistos> I'm setting it up now...
[08:40:22] <Pistos> Will report. :)
[08:41:31] <Pistos> There we go. :)
[08:41:40] <Pistos> Yay for good documentation. :)
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[08:43:57] <joab> Oops... Trac detected an internal error: no such column: var_name
[08:44:04] <andrewdied> I'm using tracd with 0.10 and postgres. To upgrade to 0.10.2, do I just shut down tracd, python ./setup install, then restart tracd?
[08:45:39] <coderanger> joab: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3853
[08:46:53] <joab> thanks coderanger
[08:47:05] <joab> it doesn't help to restart lighttpd though :/
[08:47:22] <Pistos> Hm... I used to be able to restrict which svn dirs are browsable in Trac. Can anyone point me to docs regarding thisg?
[08:47:23] <coderanger> joab: Make sure you kill the fcgi daemons
[08:47:24] <Pistos> -g
[08:47:26] * Pistos searches.
[08:47:41] <coderanger> Fine-grained permissions
[08:48:14] <Pistos> coderanger: Reading now, thanks.
[08:48:31] <Pistos> Ah, I can just point to my existing authz stuff, right?
[08:48:32] * Pistos tries.
[08:49:43] <joab> coderanger: worked, thanks again :)
[08:49:53] <joab> coderanger: but now, different error: http://trac.breaks.se/breaks
[08:50:19] <coderanger> I'd say thats pretty clear ....
[08:50:25] <joab> yeah
[08:50:31] <joab> it was just very long :P
[08:50:37] <joab> so where do i set the locale?
[08:50:41] <coderanger> You can override the system locale with the variable TRAC_LOCALE
[08:51:38] <joab> yay! :D
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[08:52:35] <Pistos> Hrm...
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[08:53:58] <Pistos> Now my trac.fcgi is timing out on /browser, with no helpful errors at all in my Apache error log.
[08:54:11] <coderanger> Pistos: Are you running 0.10.1?
[08:54:14] <Pistos> Yes.
[08:54:24] <Pistos> This was after I tried to introduce the authz file.
[08:54:27] <Pistos> Prior to that, it was working
[08:54:32] <Pistos> (but exposing things I didn't want exposed)
[08:55:02] <Pistos> Does trac itself log errors anywhere that I can snoop?
[08:55:07] <coderanger> Either downgrade to 0.10 or go to 0.10.2
[08:55:09] <coderanger> its a known bug
[08:55:15] <coderanger> fixed in 0.10.2
[08:55:19] <Pistos> I'll go up.
[08:55:26] * Pistos hopes the upgrade process is easy...
[08:55:39] <coderanger> should be transparent, just install the new modules
[08:55:45] <Pistos> k
[08:55:49] <Pistos> I'm on Gentoo,
[08:55:53] <Pistos> so I'm just gonna emerge the next version...
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[08:56:27] <coderanger> It is in portage as of this mornng
[08:56:30] <Pistos> hm
[08:56:39] <Pistos> Cutting edge. :)
[08:56:45] <Pistos> I'll have to sync again, which would be my third in 24 hours. :\
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[08:57:54] <Pistos> Oh, whoops, my mistake, I already have it in my Portage repo...
[09:00:24] <joab> coderanger: i get a weird error... i've made / go to the trac fcgi server but now when i click a project... well see for yourself: http://trac.breaks.se/
[09:01:01] <joab> configuration file: http://breaks.se/trac.breaks.se.conf
[09:01:27] <Pistos> coderanger: k, that seems to have fixed things, thanks.
[09:01:34] <Miek> lighttpd doesn't play nice set as /
[09:01:48] <joab> :(
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[09:03:31] <joab> not much point having a vhost for it then if i have to go to a specific directory anyway :/
[09:05:21] <joab> i dont like the fact that it still says Welcome to Trac 0.9.6 after i upgraded to 0.10.2
[09:05:28] <Pistos> Heh
[09:05:35] <Pistos> joab: But at the very bottom the fine print has changed!
[09:05:36] <Pistos> ;)
[09:06:19] <joab> :)
[09:07:02] <Pistos> Okay, presently we have /cgi-bin/trac.fcgi doing the work... I used to have it as just /something ... Without rewrites, how can I get this going again?
[09:07:05] <joab> is there no workaround for having trac set to / on lighttpd? other than setting it to /trac obviously
[09:08:28] <Pistos> Ah, ScriptAlias...
[09:09:26] <nextime> wait, 0.10.2?
[09:09:35] <nextime> when 0.10.2 was released?
[09:09:36] <nextime> today?
[09:09:37] <Pistos> Heh.
[09:10:19] <matt_good> joab: you could use scgi or http proxy to tracd, since IIRC the bug is specific to fcgi
[09:10:21] <andrewdied> Is upgrading from 0.10 to 0.10.2 just "python ./setup.py install"?
[09:10:36] <matt_good> andrewdied: yes
[09:10:41] <nextime> i have upgraded from 0.9.6 to 0.10.1 just tonight, about 16 hours ago :|
[09:10:47] <andrewdied> I didn't see anything about patch upgrades in the install doc. matt_good: thanks.
[09:10:49] <nextime> *fuck*
[09:11:08] <matt_good> andrewdied: there's a wiki page TracUpgrade
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[09:12:13] <joab> matt_good: so is the problem with fcgi or the link between lighttpd and fcgi?
[09:13:28] <coderanger_> joab: With Lighty
[09:14:15] <joab> thanks matt
[09:14:24] <joab> will go check with the lighty boys then
[09:14:49] <coderanger_> They have an open ticket about it
[09:15:14] <joab> oh
[09:16:46] <coderanger_> http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/ticket/729
[09:19:25] <joab> yeah i just found it, but thanks anyway
[09:20:28] <joab> hey it gets even cooler if you try to set it on "" instead of "/"
[09:20:37] <joab> infinite :)
[09:20:56] <andrewdied> matt_good: thanks, that seemed to work just fine. I backed up the db and did andrew@york:/usr/local > sudo gtar zcvf trac010.tar.gz share/trac trac lib/python2.5/site-packages/trac, just in case. It did upgrade to 0.10.2, according to the footer.
[09:21:40] <Pistos> Hm.
[09:21:51] <Pistos> How can I get trac to alias / to a specific subdir under svn?
[09:22:07] <Pistos> I want to have several Trac projects, but a single svn underneath them all,
[09:22:12] <Pistos> with the projects being in separate subdirs.
[09:22:17] <Pistos> (of the svn repo)
[09:22:31] <coderanger_> /path/to/repo/subpath
[09:22:35] * Pistos tries.
[09:22:41] <coderanger_> subversion figures it out
[09:22:47] <Pistos> Neat.
[09:22:48] * Pistos tries.
[09:23:45] <Pistos> Thou art correct once again!
[09:23:56] <Pistos> Hmm... can we keep you in a box?
[09:23:58] <Pistos> You're very handy!
[09:25:36] <coderanger_> My girlfriend might object
[09:25:58] <Pistos> Well... we can make arrangements for her to have a specific corner.
[09:26:22] <coderanger_> heh
[09:26:29] <Pistos> :)
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[09:28:00] * Pistos sees that although there is an initenv, there does not seem to be an rmenv or destroyenv or anything.
[09:28:06] <Pistos> Can I just rm -rf the target dir?
[09:28:08] <coderanger_> yep
[09:28:10] <Pistos> k
[09:28:16] * Pistos levels cannons ...
[09:43:27] <joab> erm... how do you set up a simple 301 redirect from / to /trac without using php or anything like that?
[09:43:42] <joab> just sending headers
[09:44:25] <coderanger_> http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/Docs%3AModRedirect
[09:44:44] <Miek> url.redirect = ( "^/$" => "http://example.com/trac" )
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