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December 05, 2006

[00:00:51] <major> hmm ..
[00:01:01] <major> 3 pageto* plugins installed now
[00:01:23] <major> maybe I can do a pagetoebonics
[00:02:09] <major> hmm .. pagetomarkovchain
[00:02:12] <major> that would be fun
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[00:03:10] <coderanger> lovely
[00:03:33] <coderanger> I managed to generate some weird markup, and now tiddlywiki is sitting in an infinite loop of some kind
[00:05:50] <major> nice
[00:09:26] <coderanger> mental note: do web development in firefox
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[00:59:04] <m_g> is there any news regarding the restricted mode problem? or any reliable way to fix it?
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[01:07:57] <blackbird> cmlenz, ping :D
[01:09:01] <cmlenz> hi
[01:10:46] <blackbird> hoi
[01:10:56] <blackbird> cmlenz, arn't you working on the tracpygments stuff at the moment?
[01:11:01] * blackbird == mitsuhiko at school
[01:12:23] <cmlenz> yeah
[01:12:45] <cmlenz> merged it into trac yesterday
[01:13:01] <cmlenz> http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/4399
[01:13:15] <blackbird> aaah
[01:13:22] <blackbird> cmlenz, and i looked at trac-hacks all the time
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[01:13:34] <blackbird> wow. wicked :D
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[01:13:37] * blackbird checks out the changes
[01:13:57] <cmlenz> heh, yeah, the plugin is basically untouched
[01:14:10] <cmlenz> s/basically/
[01:14:18] <cmlenz> gotta drive to work, bbiab
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[01:21:49] <blackbird> lol: http://ohloh.net/projects/3052
[01:21:54] <blackbird> 12% csharp xD
[01:23:51] <coderanger> probably the templates
[01:23:53] <coderanger> .cs
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[01:25:21] <blackbird> coderanger, jep
[01:25:30] <blackbird> nevertheless it's funny :D
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[01:26:20] <coderanger> oh jeez does the wiki formatter need an overhaul
[01:29:14] <asmodai> :)
[01:30:40] <coderanger> its alive!
[01:30:44] <asmodai> Who is?
[01:30:46] <asmodai> What is?
[01:31:21] <prologic> hey coderanger ever heard of Text_Wiki ?
[01:34:23] <coderanger> asmodai: http://www.coderanger.net/~coderanger/test.html
[01:34:28] <coderanger> prologic: Nope
[01:35:27] <prologic> google it up
[01:35:38] <coderanger> prologic: yeah, just did
[01:35:38] <prologic> it's a wiki formatter written in php (from pear I think)
[01:35:43] <prologic> I ported it to python a while back
[01:35:45] <prologic> and works really well
[01:36:16] <coderanger> what needs to be done is to split parsing and output
[01:36:37] <major> coderanger, is the page rename wiki supposed to require Ctxtnavadd?
[01:36:39] <prologic> I believe text_wiki does this
[01:36:42] <coderanger> so Trac parses the wiki text into some in-memory structure, and then passes it to an output plugin
[01:36:45] <prologic> you wanna have a look at my python port ?
[01:37:07] <coderanger> major: "No", however Trac doesn't support optional dependencies, so I have to list it
[01:37:19] <coderanger> prologic: Not right now, I am very brain fried
[01:37:26] <asmodai> TiddlyWiki? :)
[01:37:28] <prologic> nps
[01:37:31] <major> so I just comment out the import attempt or something?
[01:37:32] <coderanger> its 4.5 AM over here, last week of classes
[01:37:46] <asmodai> It appears that this TiddlyWiki has been incorrectly saved.
[01:37:47] <prologic> git://git.shortcircuit.net.au/sahriswiki if you get a change later - might be sometthing that trac could use *shrugs*
[01:37:51] <coderanger> major: It should test for it being installed I thought
[01:38:01] <coderanger> asmodai: Yeah, still working on that
[01:38:18] <asmodai> coderanger: So what it this?
[01:38:19] <coderanger> asmodai: still works fine though
[01:38:28] <coderanger> asmodai: New output format on combinewiki
[01:38:37] <asmodai> oh
[01:38:48] <asmodai> Seems pretty clear
[01:38:51] <coderanger> translates a given set of trac wiki pages into a single tidllywiki
[01:38:59] <major> coderanger, it just skips it
[01:39:10] <major> skips loading it that is
[01:39:12] <coderanger> major: I'll look tomorrow
[01:39:20] <coderanger> major: You could also just install ctxtnavadd ;-)
[01:39:28] <coderanger> its nice to have the button
[01:41:02] <major> starting to worry about the sheer number of plugins I have running on here
[01:41:17] * prologic counts his
[01:41:22] <coderanger> major: My dev server runs most of the plugins I've made (so quite a few)
[01:41:31] <prologic> # ls *.egg | wc -l
[01:41:31] <prologic> 57
[01:41:33] <coderanger> not noticible hit
[01:42:22] <prologic> admittedly my box is an AMD Sempron 2400+ 1G ram
[01:43:23] <coderanger> 46 over here
[01:43:36] <major> o.O
[01:43:42] <blackbird> coderanger, working on the wiki formatter stuff?
[01:44:04] <blackbird> i stumbled about that some time ago. it's even worse than the moin moin solution xD
[01:44:15] <coderanger> blackbird: The Trac wiki -> tiddly wiki syntax conversion is done with a subclass of Formatter
[01:44:35] <blackbird> prologic, Text_Wiki looks like a darn hackish and slow solution to me
[01:44:48] <blackbird> coderanger, ah
[01:45:05] <blackbird> anyway. have to go offline
[01:45:18] <blackbird> but a text parsing (just parsing, not rendering) package for python would be really nice
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[01:45:32] <coderanger> *cough*pyparsing*cough*
[01:46:06] <coderanger> not sure if it would be too much overhead for the Trac is the problem
[01:46:15] <coderanger> one of these days I should just try it I guess
[01:48:03] <major> coderanger, whats the prospects looking like on tracforge btw?
[01:48:20] <coderanger> major: Its going
[01:48:32] <coderanger> more slowly lately as school is in full-tilt insanity mode ATM
[01:48:35] <prologic> hrmm
[01:48:43] <prologic> I don't agree with blackbird
[01:48:50] <prologic> I've ran tests on it and it's quite fast
[01:49:00] <coderanger> but I have a solid 4 weeks to work on it after Friday (end of classes)
[01:49:22] <major> coderanger, fun
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[01:51:16] <major> was pondering installing that one and playing with it
[01:51:31] <coderanger> major: The features that are there, work
[01:51:55] <coderanger> major: I have been trying to work on it in somewhat manageable chunks
[01:53:27] <major> any idea if tossing the ldapplugin in with it at the same time is realistic? :)
[01:53:44] <coderanger> they don't overlap AFAIK
[01:53:49] <coderanger> they just do different things
[01:54:25] <coderanger> I suppose it does the same job as tracforge's certral perms, but they should still play nice together
[01:54:58] <major> k, will set up an env and find out
[01:55:01] <major> should be a hoot
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[01:57:26] <pygi> prologic, ping
[01:57:45] <prologic> pong
[02:01:23] <major> so long as the LdapPlugin is only used to define group permissions .. it has a remotely decent chance of working :)
[02:08:59] <coderanger> major: I think so
[02:11:11] <major> i take it tracforge isn't going to work with multiple existing env's
[02:11:20] <coderanger> sure it will
[02:11:41] <major> bonus
[02:13:04] <major> it automagicly add the various env's to the intertrac links list?
[02:13:38] <coderanger> not yet
[02:13:55] <coderanger> what is listed in the instructions is literally everything
[02:14:04] <major> cool
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[02:27:48] <pygi> night coderanger
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[02:58:43] <wkornewald> hi, how can I instruct trac.fcgi to load its modules which resite in a separate path?
[02:59:10] <wkornewald> I'm using sys.path.insert(0, ...), but this only gets Trac to load. the modules don't load although they are in the same path
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[03:22:13] <wkornewald> so, does nobody want to give me suggestions for the user store (was: IUserDirectory)? shall I upload what I have? it's not finished, but you could at least comment on the API and what would be needed to get it integrated into Trac
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[04:59:32] <frepe> I have a problem with the timingandestimate plugin. I've installed the plugin so that the trac start page has a "Billing and estimate" tab, but if I click that tab, I'm sent to the URL http://<myip>/Billing which does not exist. What am I doing wrong?
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[05:16:54] <bryanl> is there a simple way to bulk close a group of tickets?
[05:21:19] <bryanl> update ticket set status = 'closed';
[05:21:21] <bryanl> simple enough
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[08:33:08] <Leentje> hello peops
[08:33:26] <Leentje> got a prob with TOC macro...
[08:33:31] <Leentje> Loading egg plugin tractoc.macro from /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/TracTocMacro-1.0-py2.4.egg
[08:33:44] <Leentje> thats in log, but then on page:
[08:33:45] <Leentje> Error: Failed to load processor TOC
[08:33:45] <Leentje> No macro or processor named 'TOC' found
[08:33:52] <Leentje> any ideas? :)
[08:35:03] <cmlenz> enabled it?
[08:35:19] <cmlenz> see the trouble-shooting section on the TracPlugins page
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[08:50:31] <Leentje> well, what more should i enable... its loaded right?
[08:50:46] <cmlenz> loaded != enabled
[08:51:00] <Leentje> then how can i enable it...
[08:51:10] <cmlenz> that's documented on the TracPlugins page, no?
[08:51:20] <Leentje> tocmacro.* = enabled
[08:51:22] <Leentje> i got that
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[08:53:13] <Leentje> so i would guess its enabled too...
[08:53:36] <cmlenz> looks like the name should be "tractoc"
[08:53:46] <cmlenz> that doesn't seem to be documented though
[08:53:51] <cmlenz> http://trac-hacks.org/browser/tocmacro/0.10
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[08:53:55] <cmlenz> is that what you're using?
[08:54:00] <Leentje> yep
[08:54:23] <cmlenz> tractoc.*
[08:55:16] <Leentje> that works, thanks... couldnt find it on that page... figured since it was called tocmacro i'd add that
[08:55:38] <cmlenz> yeah, stuff like that needs to be documented
[08:55:47] <cmlenz> by the individual plugins
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[09:40:39] <Wombert> cmlenz: y000 you're there
[09:40:51] <cmlenz> yeah
[09:40:54] <Wombert> some questions about spamfilter
[09:41:01] <Wombert> (if you don't mind)
[09:41:05] <Wombert> (and if you have a minute
[09:41:06] <Wombert> )
[09:41:09] <cmlenz> shoot
[09:41:33] <Wombert> the monitoring list in webadmin
[09:41:41] <Wombert> how do I know which items I marked as spam or ham already
[09:42:15] <Wombert> because right now I mark all items (a "mark all" button would be great :D) and then do "mark as spam"
[09:42:17] <Wombert> then mark all again and delete them
[09:42:33] <cmlenz> the only indication is when there's a discrepancy between the karma and the row color (red or not)
[09:42:51] <cmlenz> hmm, you should be careful not to overtrain the filter I think
[09:43:02] <Wombert> well I don't have 25 trainings yet so...
[09:43:06] <cmlenz> just feed it the items where it got it wrong, or where it wasn't so certain
[09:43:25] <Wombert> yes but those that got catched by askimet or so won't ever be fed to bayes, right?
[09:43:30] <Wombert> or will they after a week?
[09:43:39] <cmlenz> you can lower the minimum, spambayes works pretty well if you have 5-10 ham/spam
[09:44:09] <cmlenz> all filters get a submission, even if one of them thinks it's spam
[09:44:18] <cmlenz> the overall score determines the outcome
[09:44:41] <cmlenz> after a week?
[09:44:44] <Wombert> well
[09:44:54] <Wombert> spambayes won't work before it has 25 tranings by default, right
[09:44:59] <Wombert> so I have to feed it items
[09:45:44] <cmlenz> (or lower the minimum)
[09:46:35] <cmlenz> to clarify: if akismet rejects a submission, it is still fed to bayes and all the other filters
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[10:04:24] <coderanger> cmlenz: syn
[10:04:42] <cmlenz> yo
[10:04:50] <coderanger> http://paste.lisp.org/display/31262
[10:04:54] <coderanger> whadya think
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[10:06:37] <cmlenz> cboos sent out a mail along those lines today, although only to the feeders, not the troll himself
[10:06:54] <coderanger> ahh, okay
[10:06:55] <cmlenz> personally, I think banning is an option
[10:07:36] <coderanger> things are just getting silly at this point
[10:08:14] <misc> coderanger: where you the one who posted the link on producingfoss.com some days ago ?
[10:08:24] <coderanger> misc: That was eblot
[10:08:40] <cmlenz> manuzhai, actually
[10:08:41] <tpollari> and, as a recent addition to the community, I can say the whole interaction just drags the project down
[10:09:00] <cmlenz> (manuzhai != eblot)
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[10:09:11] <coderanger> ahh, misremembered
[10:09:13] <cmlenz> (even though both ~= "manu")
[10:09:19] <bmcquay> aloha
[10:09:23] <misc> hi
[10:10:02] <bmcquay> i've got a strange problem
[10:10:05] <misc> coderanger: because if i am not wrong, the book explain you need to give strong evidence about the problem, and i do not feel the mail you pasted is showing sufficient "proof"
[10:10:25] <coderanger> misc: I think this is well beyond proof
[10:10:39] <bmcquay> my plugin only allows you to publish if the ticket['ticketaction'] is set to Publish
[10:10:45] <misc> coderanger: can't you simply ignore him ?
[10:10:50] <coderanger> misc: Several people have looked at the number of posts he has made, but it isn't about quantity
[10:11:38] <bmcquay> in the ticket (and i verified in the database) the ticketaction = Publish
[10:12:05] <bmcquay> and i can see the correct ticketaction in some tickets
[10:12:15] <coderanger> misc: Its also not just about me. Every ticket he files that is useless takes someone's time to go and look it over, and then usually deal with a few cycles of you closing it and him repoening it
[10:12:33] <misc> coderanger: well, i mean you and the devs
[10:12:34] <bmcquay> but if i take a ticket and i change the ticketaction and save, then try to publish, it lists the old ticketaction
[10:12:48] <bmcquay> it looks like its something strange with cacheing the old ticketaction to me
[10:13:04] <coderanger> bmcquay: Is the code online somewhere?
[10:13:05] <bmcquay> does that sound familar to anyone?
[10:13:08] <misc> coderanger: i have read some ticket, and i have already faced this type of people, and i know how "exhausting" they can be
[10:13:16] <bmcquay> one sec and i'll commit
[10:13:36] <misc> and i remember the day someone said here "beware, illias is in the place"
[10:13:49] <misc> coderanger: but he will not stop if you send such email
[10:14:03] <coderanger> misc: Which is what bans are for
[10:14:26] <misc> coderanger: bans make you appear hostile
[10:14:41] <coderanger> misc: But even now I think it would be good to take the high road and at least give him a chance to stop on his own
[10:14:53] <coderanger> by making it clear that his comments are no longer desired
[10:15:02] <coderanger> if that doesn't work, then move to the next level
[10:15:36] <misc> and if it still doesn't work, then use the secret trac orbital ray :) ?
[10:15:51] <coderanger> Well Alec does work for Google ........
[10:16:21] <misc> i have heard the google laser was still in beta
[10:16:33] <coderanger> Early beta test ftw
[10:16:36] <bmcquay> http://trac-hacks.org/browser/publishrevertplugin
[10:17:14] <coderanger> bmcquay: You don't need to check in the build, dist, or egg-info folders
[10:17:21] <bmcquay> sure
[10:17:33] <coderanger> or pycs or backup files :P
[10:17:50] <bmcquay> i know i know
[10:18:01] <bmcquay> easier to just do svn add * though
[10:18:01] <coderanger> hmm
[10:18:11] <coderanger> ticketaction is a custom field?
[10:18:14] <bmcquay> yeah
[10:18:24] <bmcquay> setcahngeset.py is what i'
[10:18:29] <bmcquay> i'm calling
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[10:18:57] <bmcquay> it should just list the set of changesets with the ticket and display a link to svnpublish if ticketaction = clonepublish
[10:19:52] <bmcquay> 185 of setchangeset.py i set req.hdf[ticket'] = ticket.values
[10:20:46] <bmcquay> 5 of setchangeset.cs is where it is being funny
[10:20:57] <coderanger> what if on line 99 of svnpublish you add self.log.debug('PublishRevert: %r', ticket['ticketaction'])
[10:21:18] <bmcquay> but it messes up before i ever get to svnpublish
[10:23:58] <bmcquay> i call setchangeset first
[10:24:34] <coderanger> ahh
[10:25:14] <bmcquay> if i look at the ticketaction while looking at a ticket its set right
[10:26:33] <coderanger> dump repr(ticket.fields) to the log
[10:26:41] <coderanger> make sure the field name shows up there
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[10:33:25] <bmcquay> self.log.debug('PublishRevert: %r', repr(ticket.fields)) ?
[10:34:15] <coderanger> you can lose the repr()
[10:34:18] <coderanger> %r does it for you
[10:35:58] <bmcquay> mm, nothing related to that is showing up in the logs
[10:36:04] <bmcquay> i have it on DEBUG
[10:36:18] <bmcquay> i see other crap in there about loading the plugins
[10:36:31] <coderanger> so its never getting to that point
[10:37:09] <bmcquay> i hope so its in render_html
[10:38:36] <coderanger> you restarted the server and whatnot?
[10:38:54] <bmcquay> yep
[10:39:18] <coderanger> dunno then
[10:42:58] <bmcquay> strange, it worked
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[10:44:24] <bmcquay> name': 'ticketaction', 'value': '1',
[10:46:12] <bmcquay> ok, this is weird
[10:46:34] <coderanger> what type is it?
[10:46:37] <bmcquay> i added req.hdf['message'] = 'poop' and it started logging
[10:46:47] <bmcquay> i removed it since i don't really need it
[10:47:09] <bmcquay> restarted and everything i usually do
[10:47:14] <bmcquay> and its still there
[10:47:22] <bmcquay> its like its caching the old egg
[10:48:05] <coderanger> er you using develop mode?
[10:48:15] <bmcquay> i've just been running the same thing each time i build up to now, python setup.py bdist_egg; cp dist/TracPublishRevert-0.2-py2.4.egg /var/www/localhost/htdocs/trac_project_env/plugins/; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[10:48:24] <coderanger> ouch
[10:48:30] <coderanger> use develop mode :P
[10:48:45] <coderanger> setup.py develop -md /var/www/localhost/htdocs/trac_project_env/plugins/
[10:48:53] <coderanger> then you just need to HUP apache
[10:49:11] <cmlenz> (better yet use tracd --auto-reload)
[10:49:18] <coderanger> alias ahup="sudo killall -HUP apache2"
[10:49:22] <coderanger> that too
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[10:51:37] <bmcquay> develop mode gives me a warning about being installed with --multi-version or --install-dir
[10:51:53] <bmcquay> is that something i should worry about
[10:51:55] <coderanger> just ignore it
[10:52:03] <coderanger> trac will handle it for you :)
[10:53:46] <bmcquay> yeah its still loading the old one
[10:53:54] <bmcquay> still have the poop message that isn't in the code anymore
[10:54:26] <coderanger> also remove all egg versions of it
[10:54:27] <bmcquay> oh, i should delete the egg out of the plugin dir then
[10:54:28] <coderanger> from all folders
[10:54:41] <coderanger> also check site-pacakges
[10:54:47] <coderanger> and the global plugins folder
[10:56:14] <bmcquay> now i have no handler
[10:56:38] <bmcquay> TracPublishRevert.egg-link is in the project plugin directory
[10:56:48] <coderanger> did you activate it?
[10:57:11] <coderanger> publishrevert.* = enabled
[10:57:16] <coderanger> in [components]
[10:57:41] <bmcquay> yeah
[10:57:51] <bmcquay> that's how i got the egg to work
[10:58:09] <bmcquay> i think this is why i was cooking eggs each time
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[10:58:20] <bmcquay> heh
[10:58:27] <bmcquay> halfass work
[11:00:39] <bmcquay> oh, this is with 0.9.4 if that matters
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[11:19:04] <bmcquay> ok, i've install the plugin in develop mode to the project env and globally and neither work
[11:19:13] <bmcquay> trac.ini has publishrevert.* = enabled
[11:19:23] <bmcquay> the logs don't show the plugin being loaded at all
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[11:21:45] <bmcquay> hmm, i moved the directory out of /root and into my user home and magic
[11:21:55] <bmcquay> ok poop message is gone
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[11:26:48] <bmcquay> alrighty, that look like it cleaned up those strange caching problems
[11:26:56] <bmcquay> thanks, you gu