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January 08, 2007

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[00:39:43] <cobaltsixty> hello
[00:43:45] <Demian> neddy was having fun.
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[01:19:12] <asmodai> heez
[01:19:25] <asmodai> Talk about a steady connection
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[01:55:23] <coderanger> gah
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[02:28:47] <__doc__> hi, is there a way to register users (user/password) for trac by other means then adding permissions by hand and adding an entry in the htdigest file?
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[02:31:13] <coderanger> __doc__: For permissions, use the group "authenticated", for registrations use AccountManager
[02:31:42] <__doc__> coderanger: thx, also just found that on trac hacks
[02:32:06] <__doc__> wee, AccountManager works even on 0.11 :)
[02:32:59] <coderanger> one of the few
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[02:45:33] <asmodai> hah
[02:45:34] <asmodai> http://www.nomoreiehacks.org/
[02:46:53] <__doc__> coderanger: AccountManager links to the wrong handlers. it should go to /mysite/sometrac/register but it links to /mysite/register
[02:47:02] <__doc__> coderanger: any idea?
[02:47:15] <__doc__> (the register works aparts from that)
[02:47:21] <coderanger> __doc__: Is your base_url correct?
[02:48:20] <__doc__> url = http://mysite:myport/sometrac in the trac.ini, also shows on the admin page as such
[02:48:38] <coderanger> url or base_url?
[02:48:44] <__doc__> url
[02:48:46] <__doc__> ah
[02:50:05] <__doc__> coderanger: yeah that does the trick, thx
[03:00:14] <coderanger> asmodai: Now if only Fx didn't suck so much
[03:02:04] <asmodai> coderanger: yea
[03:02:09] <asmodai> coderanger: FF is going that way :S
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[03:02:44] <coderanger> Heh, I still use it for webdev stuff
[03:02:54] <coderanger> but I use Shiira for general browsing
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[03:08:44] <bitsweat> gahh spams in registered usernames
[03:09:11] <bitsweat> can't delete the spam users via webadmin since the name is truncated
[03:09:24] <bitsweat> have to edit htpasswd by hand
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[03:24:17] <__doc__> asmodai: http://digg.com/programming/Web_developers_No_more_IE_hacks
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[04:30:56] <cerw> hello everhone
[04:31:30] <cerw> I have problem using 2 languages in SOurceCode and then viewving it in Trac (Czech/English) Coding is set to utf-8 but still Czech is broken..
[04:32:43] <coderanger> Is the file actually encoded in utf8
[04:33:02] <cerw> well it's HTML and all files are UTF8
[04:33:21] <coderanger> Are you using the latest version?
[04:33:28] <cerw> but i have noticed that Trac was setupo to ISO.. so i change it back to UTF, do i need to resycn something?
[04:33:31] <cerw> 10.3
[04:33:36] <cerw> from gentoo ( not SVN)
[04:34:09] <coderanger> What output are you seeing?
[04:34:24] <cerw> <title>Studentsk?? pe??e??</title>
[04:34:43] <coderanger> what if you view the file directly in subversion?
[04:35:15] <cerw> u mean checkout?
[04:35:24] <cerw> that is fine.. it gets to me nonbroken
[04:35:48] <coderanger> are you using SVN DAV?
[04:36:27] <cerw> yeah apache2+svn dav
[04:36:35] <cerw> i jsut test svn update and i can see the charset well
[04:36:40] <cerw> jsut trac browser srouce can not
[04:36:46] <coderanger> Try opening the file through DAV directly
[04:38:07] <cerw> hmm
[04:38:07] <coderanger> Also, what exactly did you give as the default_encoding
[04:38:15] <cerw> from browser
[04:38:29] <cerw> it is corrupeted as well
[04:39:13] <cerw> default_charset = utf-8
[04:39:27] <cerw> so how do i change default charset for DAV_SVN?
[04:39:28] <coderanger> thats wrong
[04:39:32] <coderanger> "utf8"
[04:39:50] <cerw> aha ok i fix it now
[04:39:53] <cerw> restart apache..
[04:39:53] <coderanger> or "utf_8" or "UTF"
[04:41:00] <cerw> hmm still corrupted
[04:42:33] <cerw> i dont need to use " .. jsut make sure ?
[04:43:09] <coderanger> no
[04:43:19] <coderanger> just default_encoding = utf8
[04:43:27] <cerw> yeah i have just 'default_charset = utf_8 '
[04:43:42] <coderanger> if the browser is grumpy too it may be a file problem
[04:44:37] <cerw> but the browser has no idea in which coding the file is
[04:44:57] <cerw> it displays it as SOURCE not as HTML ..
[04:45:58] <coderanger> either way, if the text isn't decoding correctly it doesn't matter the mime type
[04:47:25] <cerw> so what can i do about it? when i save the file, then it's ok and it display fine.. but from DAVSVN and TRAC it's corupted..
[04:50:44] <coderanger> Try a different encoding
[04:50:59] <coderanger> See if Latin1 works and whatnot
[04:51:12] <coderanger> you can also try to get more information and file a bug report
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[04:51:45] <cerw> but i am really sure it;s UTF8
[04:52:27] <cerw> when i change ti to Latin1 , the corrupted data change but still it's corrupted
[04:53:24] <coderanger> bug report time then :)
[04:53:38] <cerw> yeah i guess
[04:53:44] <cerw> thankf for help anyway
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[05:28:32] <m_g> coderanger, you there?
[05:28:37] <coderanger> yah
[05:28:40] <m_g> cool
[05:29:04] <m_g> i have copied over wiki pages from one project to another using trac-admin and copied the attachments on the command line - but they don't appear in the new project now
[05:29:12] <m_g> how should i copy attachments to make it work?
[05:31:04] <coderanger> Use the patches to datamover that eridus just made :)
[05:31:29] <m_g> please don't tell me that datamover is the only way to do it :/
[05:31:48] <coderanger> No, but its the easiest
[05:31:57] <coderanger> you will need to move the DB entries for them
[05:32:06] <coderanger> which you can do by hand ...
[05:32:36] <m_g> hmm okay.. is it sufficient to install datamover in one of the two projects?
[05:32:50] <coderanger> yes, just the source
[05:33:03] <coderanger> for reference, datamover only works if this is on the same server
[05:33:51] <m_g> ok thank you :)
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[07:07:46] <soenke> hi
[07:08:45] <soenke> is it possible to tell trac 0.10.3 not to try using some php interpreter for displaying? text/plain output is fine for me
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[07:18:03] <soenke> php files aren't rendered anymore since upgrade 0.10.2 => 0.10.3 ...
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[07:42:51] <asmodai> coderanger: #@&*$&@! It's only for Mac OS X. :(
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[08:01:21] <m_g> http://rafb.net/p/1N3v1X91.html do i overlook something or should this config work?
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[08:10:09] <m_g> coderanger, http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/DatamoverPlugin hm the recent changes list doesn't include a change for attachment support.
[08:17:26] <cerw> hi i am having trouble to get HighLighting work in Gentoo
[08:17:32] <cerw> is there some known bug?
[08:17:40] <FauxFaux> Yeah, gentoo.
[08:17:41] <FauxFaux> :P
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[08:18:31] <jokey> hi there :) is there an easy way to get trac to run at / instead of, say, /trac ?
[08:18:42] <cerw> gentoo is JSUT fine :_)
[08:18:52] <cerw> silversity is there
[08:18:57] <cerw> but still seing plain text
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[08:22:17] <jokey> cerw: sure that the media files can be retrieved?
[08:22:42] <cerw> media files ?what do u mean by that?
[08:27:28] <pacopablo> morning
[08:28:05] <cerw> does it cache somewher? do i need to delte the cache?
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[08:29:01] <pacopablo> jokey: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracModPython#VirtualHostConfiguration
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[08:31:08] <RobHu> Where I work we would like to maybe use TRAC for the multiple projects we have, but we would also like a person to be able to see a list of the oustanding tickets there are that have been assigned to them across multiple projects.
[08:31:27] <RobHu> I see that TracForge might do something like this but it's not very clear. Has anyone had any experience in this, or can anyone offer any advice please?
[08:33:54] <RobHu> I mean, we could roll our own thing that read from the databases or something -- but I am expecting that someone else has already done this, and I am concerned about having to maintain something that we write ourselves (especially because the nature of this place is such that people only have limited contracts [its an academic place])
[08:37:16] <jokey> pacopablo: does that work with fcgi as well? can't find something like it there
[08:55:16] <pacopablo> jokey: yeah, same basic principal
[08:56:01] <pacopablo> RobHu: tracforge should do the job
[08:56:52] <RobHu> pacopablo: Which one ? ;-)
[08:57:07] <pacopablo> @faq tracforge
[08:57:07] <evil_twin> pacopablo: "tracforge" is http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracForgePlugin -- Expermiental Trac multi-project support
[08:57:09] <jokey> pacopablo: yeah seems to work on my setup just the remote one is breaking, but found http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2418 in the mean time, thanks anyway :)
[08:57:41] <RobHu> pacopablo: Have you used it to do this?
[08:58:49] <pacopablo> RobHu: no, I haven't used it, but I've talked w/ coderanger enough to knwo what it does :)
[08:59:04] <pacopablo> if you hang around for a bit, coderanger will most likely pop in
[08:59:30] <RobHu> pacopablo: ok, I'll wait around a bit until he's here :-)
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[09:39:58] <simmerz> can someone give me a reference to any docs for the .cs template format?
[09:40:19] <pacopablo> clearsilver.net
[09:40:29] <pacopablo> @faq clearsilver
[09:40:29] <evil_twin> pacopablo: Error: No factoid matches that key.
[09:40:50] <simmerz> ah thanks
[09:41:00] <pacopablo> @learn clearsilver as http://www.clearsilver.net/
[09:41:00] <evil_twin> pacopablo: The operation succeeded.
[09:41:12] <simmerz> pacopablo: I'll dig around there for stuff. many thanks
[09:41:17] <pacopablo> np
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[09:55:58] <cerw> is there way i can have HighligtedSyntax in file wher both HTML & PHP are present?
[09:56:28] <pacopablo> that would just be a php file, no?
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[09:57:05] <cerw> yteah but it only highlted PHP not HTML tags
[09:57:29] <pacopablo> that's a function of the php higlighter
[09:57:46] <pacopablo> as far as I know, you can't have two higlighters higlight a single file
[09:59:59] <cerw> hmm i thought i can do php in <? ?> and rest take as HTML
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[10:01:03] <pacopablo> like I said, that is a function of the php higlighter
[10:01:24] <pacopablo> it obviously only bothers to highlight the php parts of the file
[10:01:45] <cerw> yeah it is done trough php -sn something.. i try to look for more options
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[11:37:22] <RobHu> coderanger: I wonder if you can help me, I'm wondering whether TracForge allows me to have a single unified tickets list where someone can see all the tickets they are responsible for, where the list is composed of the tickets list of several projects?
[11:42:32] <coderanger> Yes, that is the idea
[11:43:36] <coderanger> You make a central Trac that aggregates the data (tickets in this case) of the others
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[11:43:56] <coderanger> so in the aggregation Trac you can see everything
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[11:49:53] <RobHu> coderanger: Awesome, thankyou very much
[11:50:03] <RobHu> coderanger: Are there any limitations I should be aware of? Is there a demo hosted somewhere?
[11:50:40] <coderanger> Attachments aren't handled usefully yet (so they won't be transfered between connected tickets)
[11:50:50] <coderanger> thats the only big one I know of
[11:51:08] <coderanger> no demo at the moment as my servers are down until I get back home
[11:52:27] <RobHu> ok great, thank you very much
[11:53:35] <xamox> anyone here ever use fogbugz? or have a comparasion chart of the similarities/differences between it and trac?
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[11:54:32] <RobHu> I looked at FogBugz awhile ago and it looked like proprietary crap
[11:54:44] <RobHu> Fuelled no doubt by Joel's hot air
[11:56:22] <coderanger> It looks oriented to case tickets
[11:56:36] <coderanger> instead of most Tracs, which are geared toward issue tickets
[11:56:48] <coderanger> (not that its hardwired, just seems to be how most people work)
[11:56:59] <xamox> yeah, see at work I'm trying to convince them to use trac instead, but a guy who works here has a hardon for that guy. We would need like 15 licenses whihc would be like $1500. I told them we should just run trac instead because it won't cost us a dollar. So I'm in the process of setting up trac in efforts to prove to them it's a viable solution but I figured having a comparasion chart or something would help my case as well.
[11:58:54] <xamox> Why is mysql considered experimental for it? What's it's limitations?
[11:59:37] <pygi> xamox, because sqlite was used by default and still is :)
[11:59:54] <RobHu> Joel has his own language that compiles to VBScript... http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/09/01b.html
[12:00:03] <RobHu> Wasabi, that's what he writes all his stuff in.
[12:00:26] <coderanger> xamox: It "should" be okay
[12:00:27] <xamox> so if I use SQLite, how do I do backups?
[12:00:35] <pacopablo> xamox: and because there have been issues with mysql and lengths of indicies I believe
[12:00:41] <coderanger> xamox: Up until recently there were some locking bugs
[12:00:43] <pacopablo> take a look at the bugs on t.e.o re: mysql
[12:00:53] <coderanger> xamox: Just copy the DB file
[12:01:06] <xamox> ahh, awesome.
[12:04:20] <coderanger> xamox: Just as most people tend to ask, make sure you look at ticketdelete if you want to use trac as a bug system ;-)
[12:05:10] <jborg> xamox, simply copying the db file is only safe if you stop the web-server first (concurrency issues)
[12:05:13] <jborg> xamox, http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracBackup
[12:05:20] * pygi wonders why is ticketdelete needed :)
[12:05:40] <coderanger> pygi: Morons and spam
[12:06:14] <pygi> coderanger, I don't remember any spam on any of my trac installations ^_^
[12:06:19] <pygi> but right, it is useful
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[12:10:21] <mitsuhiko> pygi: but i do
[12:10:34] <mitsuhiko> ended up with this today: http://trac.pocoo.org/wiki/NewTicket
[12:10:48] <pygi> oh, pocoo :)
[12:10:53] <pygi> that's that python forum thingy?
[12:11:02] <coderanger> I should really make a patch against trunk for the ticketdelete stuffs
[12:11:08] <mitsuhiko> pygi: jep
[12:11:11] <coderanger> since workflow seems stalled
[12:11:26] <pygi> mitsuhiko, nice :)
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[13:00:08] <davedave> does trac spool emails?
[13:00:30] <davedave> if your mail server goes down will trac know to resend emails that never got sent?
[13:00:34] <coderanger> no
[13:00:44] <davedave> ok thanks
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[13:03:25] <davedave> mitsuhiko: what are you using to display your IRC logs in trac?
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[13:43:36] <mitsuhiko> davedave: see in the trac
[13:43:39] <mitsuhiko> under sandbox
[13:43:41] <mitsuhiko> there is the plugin
[13:43:49] <mitsuhiko> (pocoo trac)
[13:45:40] <davedave> mitsuhiki: thanks i'll keep those in mind
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[13:46:06] <davedave> we use irc for error logging so that might be interesting
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[14:48:26] <alect> hey eblot :)
[14:48:58] <eblot> Hi Alec
[14:49:02] <pacopablo> hey alect
[14:49:11] <pygi> good morning :)
[14:49:27] <pacopablo> alect: can you start postgres on t-h.o ?
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[14:49:35] <alect> hi hi
[14:49:37] <alect> paco: sure thing :)
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[14:49:46] <alect> i think you have access to do that
[14:50:08] <pacopablo> alect: well, can you reset my password then, cus I forgot it :)
[14:50:18] <alect> hehe. ok
[14:50:24] * pacopablo curses key based auth
[14:50:34] <pacopablo> makes you forget passwords
[14:53:00] <alect> op postgres
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