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January 11, 2007

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[01:49:23] <alecamused> hi
[01:51:15] <alecamused> is there a way to "secure" tracd (so a visitor hast to authenticate before seeing anything?)
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[02:00:36] <misc> alecamused: juste remove the permission for anonymous
[02:03:45] <alecamused> good point :)
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[03:02:53] <Arme[N]> hi guys I have problem with ticket notification, I found a test script here http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2921
[03:03:11] <Arme[N]> I try that http://rafb.net/p/Iq9uX791.html
[03:03:27] <Arme[N]> but I got this error http://rafb.net/p/yPANw428.html
[03:03:44] <Arme[N]> then I change the test script to http://rafb.net/p/U83H1X41.html
[03:04:03] <Arme[N]> and the test script works well, now
[03:04:52] <Arme[N]> I don't know how to configure trac for this issue, I search google and documentation an I didn't find any thing
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[05:56:12] <alect> evening
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[06:16:42] <raggi> hi, i'm moving my trac from openbsd, trac-0.9.6p0, py-subversion-1.3.0, sqlite-2.8.17p1, py-sqlite-1.0 to trac-0.10.3, subversion-python-1.3.0_4, subversion-1.4.0_1, py24-pysqlite-2.0.7_1, sqlite-3.3.4_1. I dumped the db, and reloaded it, and ran the db upgrade, but I have an issue with teh repository: "SubversionException: ("Expected format '3' of repository; found format '5'", 165005)
[06:17:17] <raggi> Do I need to run subversion-python newer than 1.3 to read the 1.4 repository?
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[06:31:32] <LoPMX> hi, how can I force someone to enter email address in repporter field while creating a ticket?
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[06:37:58] <Arme[N]> hi guys I have problem with ticket notification, I found a test script here http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2921
[06:38:01] <Arme[N]> I try that http://rafb.net/p/Iq9uX791.html
[06:38:07] <Arme[N]> but I got this error http://rafb.net/p/yPANw428.html
[06:38:13] <Arme[N]> then I change the test script to http://rafb.net/p/U83H1X41.html
[06:38:20] <Arme[N]> and the test script works well, now
[06:38:28] <Arme[N]> I don't know how to configure trac for this issue, I search google and documentation an I didn't find any thing
[06:38:39] <Arme[N]> ?
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[07:18:20] <probably_corey> Does trac have anything like a REST api?
[07:18:39] <probably_corey> Or a clean way to make web services with it?
[07:18:57] <FauxFaux> It XML dumps stuff.
[07:19:09] <alect> xmlrpc plugin on trachacks
[07:19:27] <FauxFaux> Or the rss feed. :P
[07:20:08] <probably_corey> Yeah, the csv/tsv files have lots of good information for reading data. But there isn't anything to write data back.
[07:23:18] <coderanger> alect: up late :P
[07:23:37] <alect> yeah :)
[07:23:49] <coderanger> or maybe I'm just early, I can't tell anymore
[07:24:04] <alect> heh
[07:24:08] <alect> bit of both perhaps
[07:25:30] <coderanger> The security stuffs look very cool
[07:26:27] <FauxFaux> probably_corey: Aah.
[07:27:09] <alect> ta. the thing i like about it most is that the core patch is very small
[07:29:26] <coderanger> Once more modules are migrated I should try porting selfdelete and privatetickets over
[07:29:51] <alect> ooh yeah
[07:33:23] <Arme[N]> Hoc can I configure TiketNotification to autenticate in SMTP with "LOGIN PLAIN" method?
[07:33:40] <Arme[N]> how*
[07:37:39] <alect> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracIni#notification-section
[07:41:07] <Arme[N]> alect: I can't see an option for setting authentication method? I want to set it to LOGIN PLAIN
[07:41:43] <Arme[N]> alect: this works for me http://rafb.net/p/U83H1X41.html
[07:42:42] <Arme[N]> alect: but when I removed s.esmtp_features["auth"] = "LOGIN PLAIN" I got auth error (same error that I can find in trac log file)
[07:46:27] <alect> i'm surprised that is not automatically negotiated
[07:48:41] <alect> this: http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t324425-smtp-authentication.html
[07:48:56] <alect> implies that if auth does not work, it's a server configuration error
[07:52:42] <Arme[N]> yeah you right it is, but I found that I can change notification.py, what you think, is it good idea as I cant change any thing in SMTP?
[07:53:12] <alect> i guess so, if you have no other choice
[07:53:49] <Arme[N]> alect: thanks for attention and advance
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[08:14:47] <davedave> is there any way to hook into the notification process in a plugin?
[08:16:09] <davedave> we want to send "Special" notifications based on the value of a field(custom) changing on a ticket
[08:23:00] <raggi> I'm getting an exception on ticket creation: http://pastie.caboo.se/32594
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[08:24:22] <raggi> recently completed an upgrade from 0.96 to 0.10
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[08:54:34] <Hellaenergy> What db does Trac work best with out of the ones listed here: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInstall
[08:56:28] <Hellaenergy> SQLite, PostgreSQL, or MySQL?
[09:22:30] <pygi> sqlite
[09:26:52] <Hellaenergy> pygi, why is that?
[09:27:02] <pygi> because it's used by default xD
[09:27:13] <Hellaenergy> xD?
[09:27:19] <Hellaenergy> what is that?
[09:31:03] <pygi> because devs decided to do so ? xD
[09:31:09] <pygi> oh, the sign
[09:31:12] <pygi> nothing
[09:31:13] <pygi> ignore
[09:44:11] <coderanger> or postgres
[09:44:32] <coderanger> sqlite is easier to manage, postgres is faster if you have a heavily loaded site
[09:45:33] <coderanger> davedave: ITicketChangeListener
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[09:55:42] <Hellaenergy> coderanger, what do you consider high load?
[09:56:18] <coderanger> >5-10 reqs/second
[09:56:44] <coderanger> probably anything over a few hundred users at an average place
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[09:58:50] <coderanger> migrating from sqlite->pg later on, if it is a bottleneck, is also not hard
[10:00:47] <Hellaenergy> Thanks people, you have been very helpful.
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[11:20:48] <retracile> When using an Option, what is the RightWay(tm) to deal with spaces in the value?
[11:20:59] <retracile> double quotes?
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[11:21:47] <retracile> Errm... nevermind... it works without quotes.
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[11:56:54] <retracile> @hack
[11:56:54] <evil_twin> retracile: Error: "hack" is not a valid command.
[11:58:28] <retracile> Ah well...
[12:00:16] <retracile> For those interested in LDAP + AccountManagerPlugin, see http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/1089 for a rough initial implementation.
[12:00:22] <retracile> Comments, feedback welcome.
[12:00:39] * Hellaenergy looks
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[12:03:40] <begood> where do i write my sql-query for a custom report
[12:03:43] <retracile> (And of course, matt_good and coderanger aren't around... just my luck.)
[12:04:42] <retracile> begood: View Tickets has a "Create new report" button near the bottom of the page... if you have sufficient permissions.
[12:05:13] <begood> I dont see it
[12:05:18] <retracile> begood: REPORT_MODIFY, I think.
[12:05:21] <begood> what permissions do i need
[12:05:41] <begood> the documentation never talk about this
[12:06:05] <begood> we see only example of sql-query... it's not very clear
[12:09:14] <retracile> @wiki TracPermissions
[12:09:14] <evil_twin> retracile: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracPermissions
[12:09:43] <retracile> Looks like it's REPORT_CREATE.
[12:10:24] <retracile> @wiki TracReports
[12:10:24] <evil_twin> retracile: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracReports
[12:10:36] <retracile> begood: look at those two wiki pages for more.
[12:10:45] <begood> thx
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[13:02:42] <Eridius> wtf
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[13:02:49] <Eridius> laptop finally connected
[13:03:00] <Eridius> huh, coderanger ain't here. first time I've seen that
[13:05:46] <pygi> xD
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[13:48:19] <pacopablo> retracile: does you ldap patch target a specific LDAp schema?
[13:48:25] <pacopablo> or is is configurable?
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[14:04:59] <retracile> pacopablo: You can set what field to use... In my case I'm using an AD server, so I'm using sAMAccountName.
[14:05:26] <retracile> pacopablo: If that isn't configurable enough, I'll try to improve it, but I won't be in a position to test that.
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[14:16:32] <pacopablo> reason for the question is because I'm going to be wanting to auth against AD also
[14:17:42] <retracile> pacopablo: It's setup to understand an ldapurl like: ldap://server.example.com:389/cn=users,dc=example,dc=com?sAMAccountName
[14:17:58] <retracile> pacopablo: though it ignores the ldap:// part for now.
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[14:19:02] <retracile> pacopablo: I was using the apache AuthLDAPURL format as a guide.
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[14:30:15] <j^> hi, i just updated a site from 0.9 to 0.10.3 and now the directories in /browser are no longer links
[14:30:26] <j^> i can still navigate to the source by putting in the url
[14:30:31] <j^> how can i enable the links again?
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[14:37:52] <maxb> j^: At a guess, perhaps your site isn't properly upgraded, and some 0.9 bits are still being used.
[14:38:45] <j^> maxb: mouse over says access denied
[14:39:04] <maxb> I don't understand
[14:40:56] <j^> ah, indeed it was an old share/trac/templates that was used
[14:41:02] <j^> the egg did not install that
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[15:24:45] <lawnchair> when i get my trac emails for ticket info it's generating a url that i dont want... i dont see a setting in trac.ini though
[15:24:49] <lawnchair> not sure where it's getting this url from :(
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[15:44:26] <bmcquay> aloha
[15:44:35] <bmcquay> i've got a really odd problem
[15:44:44] <bmcquay> when i try to save a ticket, it just hangs
[15:45:07] <bmcquay> the data is saved but nothing is ever returned by trac, the browser just eventually timesout
[15:45:19] <bmcquay> any ideas?
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[15:46:46] <bmcquay> everything else seems to work
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[16:02:12] <alect> hi traccers
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[16:09:58] <pygi> hey alect
[16:17:26] <davecole> alect, do you have some time to discuss the approach for implementing workflow?
[16:17:54] <alect> sure thing
[16:18:05] <alect> fire away. just gonna grab a coffee :)
[16:18:18] <davecole> I had a look at the patch that implemented the workflow in the sandbox.
[16:18:46] <davecole> It is clearly based upon the code that is no longer represented in the trunk.
[16:21:20] <davecole> That means it is beyond my capabilities to adapt the old implementation to the new code - I cannot devote the amount of time necessary to learn both code bases then analyse what changed between them, and then finally work out what it required to implement.
[16:23:05] <davecole> So my question is...
[16:24:32] <alect> ok
[16:24:47] <davecole> Is it worthwhile cleaning up my dodgey implementation.
[16:25:05] <davecole> I can see that the old implementation is way superior.
[16:25:17] <davecole> But is there a middle road?
[16:26:46] <alect> hmm
[16:27:09] <alect> http://www.object-craft.com.au/~djc/trac0.11dev.patch <- this one?
[16:27:19] <davecole> yes
[16:27:54] <davecole> I had a look at the patch you mentioned in email.
[16:28:22] <alect> what specifically are you proposing adding?
[16:28:46] <alect> the roadmap stuff looked good imo
[16:28:51] <davecole> I can turn the dodgey patch on my homepage into a clean implementation.
[16:29:04] <davecole> But it is clearly a very different direction to the old workflow code.
[16:29:05] <alect> implementation of what though? what features?
[16:29:53] <alect> if it's done in an extensible way, i don't think differing from old workflow will matter that much
[16:30:16] <davecole> Our patch is not the way to do things - we understand that. The reason for posting it was to create the basis for some discussion.
[16:30:23] <alect> yeah, definitely
[16:30:37] <davecole> The progress bar stuff is a no brainer.
[16:30:52] <alect> the major hurdle in any workflow code is merging the two ticket modules and templates
[16:31:00] <alect> after that, the rest of the coding is actual fun stuff
[16:31:21] <davecole> It does not conflict with any of the current codebase except some kind of python driven style for colors.
[16:31:54] <davecole> The ticket actions, permissions, and status is a different thing altogether.
[16:32:20] <alect> yeah. your patch looks like it's hard-coded to your workflow?
[16:32:41] <alect> that would not get accepted unless it were generalised
[16:32:58] <davecole> yes, that was just to show what we wanted to be able to express in any generic capability
[16:33:12] <alect> yeah
[16:33:16] <alect> okay
[16:33:23] <davecole> I would not in my wildest dreams expect that crap to go into the Trac code
[16:33:38] <davecole> But it does illustrate a process.
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[16:34:27] <davecole> The old workflow code seemed (to me) to provide a powerful abstraction of the ticket actions, permissions, and status.
[16:34:45] <alect> yeah
[16:34:45] <davecole> Upon which you could implement almost anything in that area.
[16:35:01] <alect> as a first step, you could implement a ticket action extension point
[16:35:06] <davecole> Yes.
[16:35:13] <alect> it would need to be able to:
[16:35:20] <alect> - fetch a list of actions
[16:35:23] <toten> "Note: Do not use this version of Trac if you plan to use a Subversion repository - there are not yet any Subversion-Python v2.5 bindings available." <- is this update information, and is it for linux version?
[16:35:28] <alect> - render the html controls for the actions
[16:35:32] <alect> - process the actions
[16:35:49] <alect> the ITicketActionController interface in the old code did this
[16:36:10] <davecole> So cherry pick parts of the old implementation that would help in recasting our rubbish cleanly.
[16:36:20] <alect> sure
[16:36:37] <davecole> That way we do not need to replace the old implementation, but we produce work that does not conflict with it.
[16:36:53] <alect> hmm
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[16:37:16] <davecole> Let me say that again.
[16:37:19] <alect> you'd also need to implement ITicketFieldProvider
[16:37:34] <alect> to provide alternate ticket "status"es
[16:38:36] <davecole> Cherry pick some of the interfaces implemented in the old workflow - just enough to allow us to reimplement our workflow. But make sure that in implementing those interfaces we respect the "specification" of the old workflow.
[16:38:53] <alect> sounds good
[16:39:00] <davecole> Then at some point someone else can implement some more - get back to where we were incrementally.
[16:39:09] <alect> yeah
[16:39:20] <davecole> OK - that seems a little less daunting.
[16:39:39] <alect> some of them are already in trunk too
[16:39:49] <alect> ITicketManipulator and ITicketChangeListener
[16:40:28] <davecole> I had a bit of a grep around last night to see how much was in the trunk. Did not look that promising from a complete reimplementation perspective.
[16:40:47] <alect> no definitely not
[16:41:12] <alect> i'd svn co the old workflow code
[16:41:13] <davecole> But a stepwise reimplementation seems like something I could get traction with.
[16:41:20] <alect> a fair bit of it should be copy-n-pasteable
[16:41:44] <alect> BuiltinFieldProvider and CustomFieldProvider for example
[16:42:08] <alect> DefaultTicketActions
[16:42:23] <alect> although that might not be a good idea
[16:42:36] <alect> might be better to just recreate it
[16:42:47] <alect> in case any changes from trunk get lost
[16:42:57] <davecole> Something for me to spend my weekend on (modulo family responsibilities :-)).
[16:43:36] <cfedde> perhaps you have some newbie hints? I've pulled down TicketBox.py and dropped it into plugins directory of my environment. I see in the log that it is getting compiled. but [[TicketBox(#1,#2)]] throws a error box into the wiki page. "No macro or processor named 'TicketBox' found". Any hints on what I've left broken?
[16:43:52] <alect> davecole: cool :)
[16:44:10] <alect> cfedde: TicketBox is a macro, not a plugin. put it in your wiki-macros directory
[16:44:29] <cfedde> alect: perfect! thanks.
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[16:47:44] <alect> davecole: jump on irc when you're working if you want
[16:47:54] <alect> davecole: where are you located? i'm in sydney
[16:50:35] <davecole> melbourne
[16:51:21] <davecole> same timezone - very handy
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[16:55:39] <alect> eeeeeexcellent
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[17:13:50] <toten> is it possible to get a debug log for trac?
[17:14:24] <toten> i get this error (but not always, i need to update the browser page like ten times and then i get it): TracError: Unsupported version control system "svn"
[17:14:59] <alect> @logging
[17:14:59] <evil_twin> alect: "logging" is http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracLogging <-- Enable debug logging to file, ensure your environments log/ directory is writeable by your web server user, check for errors.
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[17:44:56] <toten> i get his in the apache log, but not always, only 1/10 pages loads: NameError: global name 'sqlite' is not defined
[17:45:02] <toten> what could be wrong?
[17:51:43] <pacopablo> using mod_python?
[17:52:00] <pacopablo> and have you done any upgrades recently?
[17:52:40] <toten> yep using mod_python, and what do you mean with upgrades?
[17:53:03] <pacopablo> upgraded pysqlite, or trac ?
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[17:53:39] <toten> i installed my copy like 10 minutes ago, after some problems it went fine, then i started surfing the site, and after a couple of clicks i got that error in the apachelog
[17:56:22] <toten> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/PySqlite , i just did this step "Determine actual SQLite and PySqlite version", and get excatly the same result as on that page
[17:56:23] <pacopablo> does restarting apache have any effect?
[17:57:24] <toten> lol it might have done the trick, 20+ pages load, no error
[17:58:20] <toten> thanks mate
[18:03:06] <pacopablo> np
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[18:03:18] <pacopablo> when dealing mod_python, you can never restart apache too much :)
[18:03:32] <pacopablo> it tends to have weird caching issues when things are changed, etc.
[18:05:33] <toten> ok, thansk for the tip :)
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[18:12:53] <pygi> hey mgood
[18:16:07] <matt_good> hey
[18:16:48] <alect> hi mgood
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