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<toten> |
ok |
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<et> |
ascii doesn't suffice for americans either - stuff like dashes, quotation marks etc doesn't fit into ascii ;) |
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<pacopablo> |
alect: read my latest blog entry on pacopablo.com ;) |
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<pacopablo> |
et: um, how do dashes and quotation marks not fit into ascii? |
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<et> |
they are hacked in, somehow |
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<et> |
but you have the same char for minus and hyphen and dash... |
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<pacopablo> |
well, in normal writing, it's near impossible to tell between a minus, hyphen and dash, except for context anyway |
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<pacopablo> |
http://jimprice.com/ascii-0-127.gif |
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<pacopablo> |
looks like pretty much all the necessary english symbols are there ;) |
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<et> |
uhm, it's all but impossible to tell them apart |
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<et> |
there's no opening/closing quotation mark, just one char for both cases... |
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<pacopablo> |
so? how is this a problem? |
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<et> |
it doesn't look right |
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<pacopablo> |
bah, most people's handwriting doesn't look right |
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<et> |
that's no reason to do it wrong too :) |
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<pacopablo> |
come on, everyone is doing it, it doesn't hurt, it's not like anyone is going to know ... ;) |
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<asmodai> |
alect: yeah, I am |
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<asmodai> |
alect: hard to find Python dev jobs around here :( |
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<pacopablo> |
well, I'll have to sleep on it, night all |
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<asmodai> |
Speaking of handwriting, I get compliments from a lot of women on my clear writing :) |
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<otaku42> |
does anyone know a plugin for trac (0.10.x) which allows to trigger the call of external commands for certain events (such as when a wiki page is edited or a comment is added to a ticket)? |
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<alect> |
probably 2-3am :\ |
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<alect> |
agck |
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<alect> |
otaku: nope, but it'd be easy to write |
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<otaku42> |
alect: i vaguely remember that there is a API for plugins to react on various events, but i don't remember where i saw infos about that... |
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<otaku42> |
alect: any hints? |
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<alect> |
yeah I{Wiki,Ticket}ChangeListener |
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<otaku42> |
alect: thx |
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<alect> |
no problem |
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<alect> |
haha, nice blog post paco :P |
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<incorrect> |
hello |
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<alect> |
correct! |
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<alect> |
i bet you get that all the time |
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<incorrect> |
nope |
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<incorrect> |
often someone says, 'thats incorrect' |
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<incorrect> |
and i say, 'no im incorrect' |
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<alect> |
well, at least i was original |
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<alect> |
ish |
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<incorrect> |
indeed you were! :) |
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<incorrect> |
its a pitty trac doesn't have a build manager built in |
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<alect> |
like...continuous integration build tests etc.? |
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<alect> |
or to actually kick off builds |
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<alect> |
? |
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<incorrect> |
it would be great to show builds, against code revisions, against closed bugs |
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<alect> |
have you seen bitten? |
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<alect> |
bitten.cmlenz.net |
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<incorrect> |
nope but i think im about to! |
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<incorrect> |
trac needs to run on the same machine as subversion? |
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<alect> |
yep |
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<incorrect> |
pitty |
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<ehird> |
well, you could use fuse to connect to another servers FS with the repo |
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<ehird> |
but thatd be nasty |
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<incorrect> |
i have many sites, it would have been nice to have a local web project server |
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<incorrect> |
but then id need to replicate the db |
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<incorrect> |
ok forget it, trac is pretty light anyway |
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<incorrect> |
bitten seems to be java and python specific |
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<jMCg> |
Hello boys and girls - Yesternight at a very late hour I decided that it's a great idea to use the PostgreSQL backend for Trac - because backup would seem to go very easy - pg_dump_all |
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<incorrect> |
and..? |
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<incorrect> |
did the world come to and end? |
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<jMCg> |
Now there are several implications to this. First of all: my lazynes. I would like to host each and every project in one database. So I would need something like supplying prefixes, instead of having to create for each project a new one. |
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<jMCg> |
The other is, that I would have to migrate existing Projects from Trac 0.9's SQLite backend to Trac 0.10.3 PostgreSQL backend. |
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<__doc__> |
hi |
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<__doc__> |
does anybody know if page2pdf works with 0.11dev? |
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<__doc__> |
oh and one other question, when there is a data format change to the databases on a trunk version, will the conversions be provided and will trac recognize it needs to execute them upon start? |
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<Arkitect_> |
hi all |
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<Arkitect_> |
I am a newbie to trac |
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<Arkitect_> |
wanted to know if is possible to change the default wiki pages for new projects? |
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<Arkitect_> |
I would like to use the wiki as documentation for the project. The documentation outline is a standard template |
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<Arkitect_> |
is this possible? |
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<alect> |
jmcg: trac's pg support can use "prefixes" in the form of "schemas" |
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<alect> |
doc: database changes should be smooth, but need to be manually performed with "trac-admin <env> upgrdae" |
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<jMCg> |
alect: great thanks - must've missed that somehow out. |
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<jMCg> |
And that answeres my second question.. or actually.. not. |
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<alect> |
there is a migration script on trac-hacks |
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<cerw> |
hi there |
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<cerw> |
can i add custom fields to Ticket (but combo box? ) |
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<mz2007> |
Hi everybody |
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<mz2007> |
I'm new to trac, so can anybody provide me info, if there is a remote http / xml API for Trac to create tickets,....? |
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<__doc__> |
alect: how do I know an upgrade is neccesairy when going from one version to the other? |
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<alect> |
doc: trac will stop serving and will log a message saying it needs an upgrade |
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<__doc__> |
alect: ah, great :) |
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<alect> |
mz2007: xmlrpc plugin on trac-hacks |
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<__doc__> |
so, is there any wiki to pdf conversion working in 0.11dev? |
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<mz2007> |
ok, thanks. because I have to integrate with MS CRM 3.0 |
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<alect> |
arkitect: only under trac trunk: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/PageTemplates |
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<alect> |
doc: no idea |
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<__doc__> |
hrm |
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<__doc__> |
I've downloaded the page2pdf plugin and installed it, but it doesn't show up in the plugins list |
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<Arkitect_> |
alect: thx |
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<alect> |
@logging |
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<evil_twin> |
alect: "logging" is http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracLogging <-- Enable debug logging to file, ensure your environments log/ directory is writeable by your web server user, check for errors. |
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<alect> |
doc: enable logging, check the logs |
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<alect> |
doc: did you enable it in webadmin? |
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<__doc__> |
alect: I would've enabled if it would've shown up in the webadmin. |
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<mz2007> |
ok thanks, by |
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<Arkitect_> |
alect: will this apply to all new projects created or just the project the template was created in? |
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<alect> |
the latter. but you can add them to /usr/share/trac/wiki-default to achieve that result |
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<__doc__> |
alect: ImportError: cannot import name wiki_to_html |
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<Arkitect_> |
alect : cool thanks |
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<mitsuhiko> |
alect: what's wrong if clearsilver does not render to the end? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
<select name="style"> |
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<mitsuhiko> |
<?cs each:s = styles ?> |
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<mitsuhiko> |
<option<?cs if:s == selection ?>selected="selected"<?cs /if ?>><?cs var:s ?></option> |
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<mitsuhiko> |
<?cs /each ?> |
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<mitsuhiko> |
</select> |
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<mitsuhiko> |
it never reaches </select> |
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<alect> |
doc: you running current trunk? there was a compat fix for those functions being moved iirc |
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<mitsuhiko> |
i'm currently backporting the pygments stuff of 0.11 to 0.10 |
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<mitsuhiko> |
therefore my question :) |
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<__doc__> |
what is wiki_2_html? |
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<alect> |
mitsuhiko: hmmm, not sure |
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<alect> |
i think i have seen that before, but i can't remember what caused it :( |
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<alect> |
clearsilver is the devil |
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<mitsuhiko> |
alect: i know |
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<mitsuhiko> |
ARGH |
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<mitsuhiko> |
alect: do you know what fixed the problem? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
renaming selected to current... |
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<alect> |
! |
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<mitsuhiko> |
alect: other question. how can i tell clearsilver that the passed variable is markup? |
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<__doc__> |
alect: I've svn up'ed trac now, the warning's gone, getting a pdf works too, except, there's no content whatsoever put in. |
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<__doc__> |
alect: basically 0 length content carry for the response. |
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<alect> |
mitsuhiko: trac's HDF wrapper should automatically convert Markup iirc |
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<alect> |
doc: confiugred it correctly as per the wiki page instructions? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
alect: so there is a Markup class like in genshi somewhere? |
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<__doc__> |
alect: there isn't a whole lot to configure, and the instructions say the defaults are good. |
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<alect> |
mitsuhiko: yeah. trac.util.html |
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<alect> |
doc: no idea then really. check the bugs reported against pagetopdf, perhaps something will help |
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<mitsuhiko> |
hmm. looks like a bug: http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/tags/trac-0.9b1/trac/About.py |
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<alect> |
ooerr |
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<__doc__> |
alect: htmldoc isn't on my system |
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<__doc__> |
alect: fails silently |
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<alect> |
that'll do it |
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<alect> |
who was after continuous integration systems: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/PluginList#ContinuousIntegration |
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<coderanger_> |
pacopablo: Yes planned, no finished |
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<coderanger_> |
getting closer though :) |
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<alect> |
wb coderanger |
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<coderanger_> |
whee, first day of classes |
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<coderanger_> |
gotta love it |
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<alect> |
heh |
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<mitsuhiko> |
hmm. anyone any ideas how to add a default stylesheet to all requests that render a specific macro? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
IRequestFilter does not work, add_stylesheet does nothing somehow |
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<__doc__> |
okeee now page2pdf works, but the image rendering is "funny" :) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
argh |
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<mitsuhiko> |
i know why |
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<__doc__> |
Error: Macro Image(sc1.jpg) failed |
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<__doc__> |
Cannot reference local attachment from here |
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<__doc__> |
hm :)?` |
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<coderanger_> |
__doc__: Is this a recent version? |
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<__doc__> |
coderanger_: the most recent one |
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<__doc__> |
coderanger_: trac trunk and page2pdf trunc |
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<__doc__> |
these errors apear in the rendered pdf |
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<coderanger_> |
__doc__: Image handling has probably changed in trunk |
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<coderanger_> |
all the context stuffs |
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<__doc__> |
coderanger_: but page2pdf doesn't handle images explicitly... |
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<coderanger_> |
it does |
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<__doc__> |
uh |
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<coderanger_> |
well it renders the wiki text to html, and then does some REs on the images to fix them |
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<__doc__> |
ic |
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<__doc__> |
but that message must originate earlier |
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<__doc__> |
wiki_to_html |
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<coderanger_> |
yes, probably looking for the attachment in the "wrong" context |
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<coderanger_> |
no, pagetopdf needs to be ported to use the new context system |
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<coderanger_> |
which is won't be for a bit |
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<coderanger_> |
combinewiki probably needs the same |
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<__doc__> |
on a sidenote, wouldn't it be better to use that pdf python module to generate a pdf without opening a subprocess that converts html to pdf? |
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<coderanger_> |
Do you know of one? |
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<coderanger_> |
I would love to :) |
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<__doc__> |
yeah, just a sec |
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<__doc__> |
coderanger_: http://vsbabu.org/mt/archives/2002/09/19/reportlab_python_pdf.html |
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<__doc__> |
reportlab |
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<coderanger_> |
reportlab is just a PDF builder |
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<coderanger_> |
it won't do HTML layout |
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<cerw> |
guys can i make custom SELECT box in TIcket? |
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<__doc__> |
coderanger_: I see what you mean, hm, but say if you had a wiki you could do the thing directly from the wiki -> pdf without the html route |
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<coderanger_> |
cerw: Yes, use "select" as the type |
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<coderanger_> |
__doc__: How, something has to do the doument layout no matter the format |
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<__doc__> |
coderanger_: hrm. hrm. :) |
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<__doc__> |
coderanger_: you could re-implement htmldoc as a python package |
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<coderanger_> |
What is needed is a pure-python HTML layout system, but that is a lot of work |
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<__doc__> |
coderanger_: pyglet by richard jones has html layout code. |
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<__doc__> |
and css etc. |
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<__doc__> |
coderanger_: I assume grail has too, but it's a bit ... dated :) |
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<cerw> |
coderanger_: thanks i try that |
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<coderanger_> |
Yeah, but pyglet is still brand new, been waiting to see where it goes before diving in |
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<alect> |
what we really need is a non-sucky wiki renderer |
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<__doc__> |
coderanger_: same here ^^ |
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<alect> |
with an intermediate tree-like form |
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<coderanger_> |
alect: Yeah, like the markdown nanodom |
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<alect> |
yeah |
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<mitsuhiko> |
alect: +sys.maxint |
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<coderanger_> |
maybe thats a good sprintable |
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<coderanger_> |
:) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
yeah. someone could pimp my tekisuto so that it uses regular expressions rather then callbacks |
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<mitsuhiko> |
that could speed it out |
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<mitsuhiko> |
alect: do you have commit access on trac-hacks? |
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<coderanger_> |
I hope so |
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<__doc__> |
coderanger_: though page2pdf should check if htmldoc is available, because it ignores it silently and just delivers a 0 length pdf if missing. got me a bit confused. |
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<alect> |
mitsuhiko: i run trac-hacks :) |
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<coderanger_> |
__doc__: Yeah, should probably move it to using subprocess so the output is captured |
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<alect> |
coderanger also has admin on trac-hacks |
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<mitsuhiko> |
alect: even better :D |
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<mitsuhiko> |
i've backported the pygments plugin from 0.11 to 0.10 |
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<alect> |
ok |
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<coderanger_> |
there already was a 0.10 version :P |
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<mitsuhiko> |
hmm. maybe i'll show it matt_good first |
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<mitsuhiko> |
coderanger_: yeah. but not with the same featureset |
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<coderanger_> |
ahh |
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<alect> |
mitsuhiko: good call. get matt to send me a mail okaying your commit access to it and i'll make it so |
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<cerw> |
ok i added in trac.ini |
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<incorrect> |
are there any other projects like trac? |
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<cerw> |
now do i need to init trac somehow? or how di i make it show in ticket? |
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<coderanger_> |
incorrect: A few attempted clones, JTrac, some ruby thing that never worked |
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<coderanger_> |
incorrect: primo planner (which I think is now orphaned) |
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<alect> |
sprint! |
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<alect> |
man i'm keen |
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<alect> |
BoF! |
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<coderanger_> |
cerw: It should show up instantly |
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<alect> |
you going to the whole conference noah? |
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<incorrect> |
are there any others alternatives to bitten? |
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<alect> |
incorrect: |
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<coderanger_> |
alect: Except the tutorials, yes |
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<alect> |
see the url i pasted earlier |
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<incorrect> |
bitten.cmlenz.net |
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<coderanger_> |
@wiki PluginList |
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<evil_twin> |
coderanger_: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/PluginList |
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<incorrect> |
but none that integrate into trac |
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<coderanger> |
incorrect: There are 2 others on there |
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<incorrect> |
thanks |
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<cerw> |
ok my type.. it is showing now |
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<cerw> |
what is the correct syntax for order? |
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<__doc__> |
coderanger: you could study htmldoc a bit and figure out how to compile it to a .so and then use ctypes :) |
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<coderanger> |
cerw: It should show up in the order you give |
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<coderanger> |
oh, you mean the .order option |
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<coderanger> |
just a number |
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<incorrect> |
does anyone know if its possible to get subversion to use unix system groups in the .authz file? |
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<coderanger> |
Don't think so |
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<coderanger> |
Though you can in Trac :) |
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<incorrect> |
yes i saw |
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<coderanger> |
I think that might have been the first plugin I made |
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<incorrect> |
i saw you name beside it |
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<bottazzo> |
hi, anyone have installed trac on lampp ? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
bottazzo: lampp? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
i have trac on linux + apache + sqlite + fastcgi |
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<mitsuhiko> |
so nearly lamp |
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<bottazzo> |
yes... nearly ... wel.. im gonna try... |
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<otaku42> |
linux + apache + sqlite + mod_python here |
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<bottazzo> |
i need cgi or python to run trac? why not php? =] |
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<coderanger> |
because Trac isn't written in PHP |
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<otaku42> |
bottazzo: because trac is written in python, not in php |
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<mitsuhiko> |
and that's good [tm] |
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<coderanger> |
indeed |
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<coderanger> |
bottazzo: You don't need CGI though, Trac runs with a variety of frontends |
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<coderanger> |
CGI, FastCGI, mod_python, SCGI, WSGI, etc etc |
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<mitsuhiko> |
in fact, i'm running trac over wsgi-fastcgi because the included fastcgi system is slower than flup |
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<bottazzo> |
i have apache2 with cgi .. so if i run apt-get install trac.. maybe its work |
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<coderanger> |
after you set it up |
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<coderanger> |
yes |
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<coderanger> |
there are fairly detailed instructions on the Trac site |
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ehird personally doubts anyone asking "why isn't it php lulz?! php r cool" would be able to maintain a trac site |
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<mitsuhiko> |
ehird: heh. i'm unable to maintain php applications |
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<ehird> |
i can write php; but i refuse to |
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<mitsuhiko> |
especially because "application instance" and "application" are in the same folder |
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<mitsuhiko> |
god i hate that |
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<ehird> |
and i mean, refuse. i haven't written one line of php since i switched to ruby and i never. will. again. |
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<mitsuhiko> |
updating applications is fun then :-/ |
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<bottazzo> |
yeah, im reading the site.. there are some informations that i can run trac without apache.. Running the Standalone Server.. |
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<mitsuhiko> |
bottazzo: you have access to the shell and apache config? |
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<bottazzo> |
yeap..its in my own computer |
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<mitsuhiko> |
then do yourself a favor and use mod_python or fastcgi |
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<coderanger> |
tracd is fine for small setups |
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<coderanger> |
and it basically JFW |
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<ehird> |
On the subject of programming |
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<ehird> |
``Besides, I'm just responding to a previous post that said "this is the best language for beginners". I think if that were true, I wouldn't need to "take a course, buy a book, or find a tutorial.''' -- Some idiot on a forum |
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<mitsuhiko> |
ehird: php isn't for beginners |
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<ehird> |
i wasn't talking about php |
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<mitsuhiko> |
ehird: yeah |
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<mitsuhiko> |
but it's a common argument |
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<mitsuhiko> |
"use php, php is for beginners" |
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<ehird> |
i was mentioning an idiot on a forum thinking he could learn a language without either taking a course, buying a book or FINDING A TUTORIAL |
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<mitsuhiko> |
those beginners have not a clue what an sqlinjection etc is |
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<mitsuhiko> |
because they don't want to know |
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<ehird> |
how can you learn something without reading anything? "Hello computer please do this: - Delete all files. Thank you." <COMPILE> |
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<ehird> |
i started off with php, and i'm still recovering :'( |
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<coderanger> |
ehird: Its simple, make the language yourself :) |
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<ehird> |
hah |
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<mitsuhiko> |
when i was young[sic!] i never thought about why $foo[bar] is the same as $foo['bar'] |
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<mitsuhiko> |
i guess nobody odes |
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<mitsuhiko> |
*does |
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<ehird> |
young is a spelling error done by the person you're quoting? |
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<ehird> |
i think you misunderstand what [sic] means |
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<mitsuhiko> |
but hey, just because stupid php initializes unexisting constants with their same name |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sic means "so" |
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<et> |
it doesn't initialize them, just when you read from them... |
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<mitsuhiko> |
ehird: you not only use [sic] to mark a spelling mistake when quoting but also to emphasize a anomaly or something like that |
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<ehird> |
um no |
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<ehird> |
[sic] = "this is in a quote, this is their spelling mistake" |
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<ehird> |
if you want to show "i dunno if i spelled this right", it's (sp) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
hmm. i guess that's a difference in german and english quoting then |
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<ehird> |
emphazizing something ... um... (!) or something |
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<mitsuhiko> |
if you quote some german text you usually use [sic?] to mark a probably wrong statement and [sic] or [sic!] to mark a spelling mistake to a caveat etc. |
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<mitsuhiko> |
</offtopic> |
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<alect> |
BoF! |
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<alect> |
pycon! |
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<mitsuhiko> |
alect: BoF? |
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<alect> |
us.pycon.org/TX2007/BoF |
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<mitsuhiko> |
alect: i added a tar.gz with the pygments stuff to the TracPygments page. maybe you could ping matt_good and give him the link if you see him |
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<SpComb> |
is there some way to make the "View Tickets" button to link to /query instead of /report? |
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<coderanger> |
SpComb: Disable reports |
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<SpComb> |
or at least show some kind of list of them right away when you click on View Tickets |
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<SpComb> |
hmmk |
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<leefaus> |
ping alect |
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<SpComb> |
hmm |
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<SpComb> |
trac.ticket.report.* = disabled doesn't seem to do anything |
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<SpComb> |
it still goes to /report |
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<SpComb> |
ah right, restart apache2 |
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<retracile> |
alect: Glad to see you're gonna make PyCon & the sprints! |
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<retracile> |
alect: WorkFlow! |
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<leefaus> |
i am a developer at red hat wanting to lend a hand on ticket 886. does anyone know the status? our boss really likes using trac but we need support for master tickets to do scrum, user stories. |
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<coderanger> |
Not much has been going on with workflow lately |
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<coderanger> |
(which is really what is needed for that to work well) |
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<coderanger> |
You could do it as a plugin |
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<leefaus> |
i was hoping that alect could point us in the right direction. |
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<coderanger> |
just sketching it out, one sec |
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<coderanger> |
hmm, yeah |
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<alect> |
retracile: :) |
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<coderanger> |
I assume you are using 0.10.3, correct? |
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<alect> |
leefaus: did you just send me a mail? |
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<leefaus> |
that was one of the developers on the team. |
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<leefaus> |
alect. |
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<alect> |
aha |
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<alect> |
i replied, but check out: |
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<retracile> |
alect: I know there are a lot of things to choose from for the sprints, but I'm planning on working on workflow for that. |
