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January 27, 2007

[00:16:19] <pacopablo> night
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[00:40:01] <asmodai> Morning :)
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[00:44:43] <asmodai> mmm
[00:44:51] <asmodai> shall I upgrade my Python 2.4 to 2.5 or not?
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[02:48:59] <pygi> s0undt3ch, ping
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[04:34:54] <s0undt3ch> pygi: read what I told you?
[04:53:29] <pygi> coderanger, I'd go about putting a new theme that is to be used by ThemeEngine in enviroment templates/ folder, right?
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[05:18:22] <s0undt3ch> pygi: nope
[05:18:45] <s0undt3ch> ThemeEngine templates are packages
[05:19:10] <s0undt3ch> installable like eggs
[05:19:52] <s0undt3ch> but there's nothing better that looking at the source :)
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[05:55:43] <pygi> s0undt3ch, source of themeengine or the templates? :)
[05:56:09] <s0undt3ch> pygi: the templates
[05:56:20] <pygi> ah, will look
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[06:09:02] <thm> hi! shouldn't MANIFEST.in include 'recursive-include templates *.html' instead of 'recursive-include templates *.cs' ?
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[07:14:01] <gregburd> Hello, I'm having a bit of trouble with authz.
[07:14:19] <gregburd> When I enable it in the trac.ini the source browser no longer works.
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[10:18:01] <vivekian> Hi , I am trying to install Trac using the instructions given at http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracOnFedoraCore
[10:18:15] <vivekian> But when the browser is fired up , nothing shows up
[10:18:35] <vivekian> Can anyone help ?
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[10:22:27] <omry__> I installed a newer version of a plugin and I want to roll back. when I install the old version I get a version conflict error and the plugin is not loaded.
[10:24:26] <The_Tick> did you leave the newer plugin installed?
[10:25:07] <omry__> probably. I now tried to remove both of them
[10:25:10] <omry__> but I still get it.
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[10:25:43] <omry> the sad thing is that its my plugin :)
[10:25:58] <omry> 2007-01-27 13:09:58,337 Trac[loader] ERROR: Skipping "FireStats 0.9.8" (version conflict: "(FireStats 0.9.7 (/home/omry/trac/lib/python2.4/site-packages/FireStats-0.9.7-py2.4.egg), Requirement.parse('FireStats==0.9.8'))")
[10:26:21] <omry> how do I clean this mess?
[10:27:46] <omry> The_Tick?
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[10:32:12] <The_Tick> probably?
[10:32:15] <The_Tick> heh
[10:32:18] <The_Tick> I have no idea man
[10:34:07] <omry> bah.
[10:34:31] <omry> where does it keep the information about the installed plugins?
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[10:36:19] <coderanger> No where
[10:36:42] <coderanger> setuptools scans the filesystem, and trac works with its data
[10:37:41] <omry> coderanger, I removed the egg files from /home/omry/trac/lib/python2.4/site-packages but it still complains
[10:37:45] <omry> (when I restart
[10:37:56] <coderanger> what about easy_install.pth
[10:38:09] <omry> what about it?
[10:38:15] <coderanger> did you remove things from it
[10:38:22] <omry> no.
[10:38:28] <coderanger> try that ;-)
[10:38:37] * coderanger brb, gotta start some laundry
[10:38:47] <omry> hang on
[10:38:53] <omry> I don't have it
[10:40:00] <omry> ah, easy-install.pth
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[10:43:21] <omry> coderanger, its still knows about 0.9.8 somehow
[10:43:41] <omry> although I removed both 0.9.7 and 0.9.8 from site-packages (and form easy-install)
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[10:46:08] <coderanger> and you don't have them in either of the other plugin folders?
[10:46:24] <coderanger> where does it say it is loading them from
[10:46:55] <omry_> Trac[loader] ERROR: Skipping "FireStats 0.9.8" (version conflict: "(FireStats 0.9.7 (/home/omry/trac/lib/python2.4/site-packages/FireStats-0.9.7-py2.4.egg)
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[10:51:11] <omry_> coderanger, any idea?
[10:51:17] <omry_> even a workaround
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[10:53:08] <coderanger> omry_: But that file doesnt exist and you have restarted python?
[10:53:24] <omry_> coderanger, the file is not there and I have restarted tracd.
[10:54:06] <omry_> omry@fyodor:~$ ls -l /home/omry/trac/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ | grep Fire
[10:54:06] <omry_> omry@fyodor:~$
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[10:56:18] <coderanger> No idea
[10:56:31] <coderanger> "locate FireStats-0.9.7
[10:57:12] <omry_> it claims its in /home/omry/trac/lib/python2.4/site-packages/FireStats-0.9.7-py2.4.egg , but thats no longer true.
[10:57:18] <omry_> the database is not yet updated.
[10:59:21] <pacopablo> updatedb ;)
[10:59:48] <omry_> I have no root there.
[11:00:02] <omry_> hmm, I think the log file I was looking at did not update.
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[11:05:51] <omry_> yup. that was the problem.
[11:06:11] <omry_> after deleting it from the easy-install.pth I was just hunting ghosts.
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[11:19:59] <marlun> Does Trac us some kind of python web framework? After using Trac I've gotten interested to start using Python for web programming but it seems a lot harder then PHP :)
[11:21:44] <pacopablo> trac is a web framework ;)
[11:22:12] <pacopablo> though some of the devs might not be willing to admit it
[11:22:36] <pacopablo> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/ComponentArchitecture
[11:22:44] <pacopablo> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/PluginDevelopment
[11:22:56] <coderanger> Its not what most people are used to though, as it isn't really MVCish
[11:23:00] <coderanger> (which I like :)
[11:24:07] <pacopablo> http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/tags/trac-0.10.3/trac/web/api.py#L472
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[11:28:06] <pacopablo> coderanger: were you a +1 for the trac BoF?
[11:28:16] <coderanger> heckyeah
[11:28:26] <pacopablo> cool
[11:28:32] <marlun> Ah, ok :) Will take a loo.
[11:28:34] <marlun> BoF?
[11:28:40] <pacopablo> Birds of a Feather
[11:28:52] <pacopablo> group meeting @ PyCon
[11:29:38] <unlord> does anyone know when Trac 0.11 will be out?
[11:29:47] <pacopablo> when it's ready ;)
[11:30:00] <unlord> I wouldn't want it any sooner than that
[11:30:12] <unlord> but I hope thats not like DNF
[11:30:26] <pacopablo> but a completely uneducated guess would be: april or may
[11:30:41] <pacopablo> we might be lucky and see a rc release in march
[11:31:02] <pacopablo> but considering what is left to be completed for 0.11, it's a few months away
[11:31:35] <unlord> ahh alright
[11:31:36] <unlord> well, thats okay
[11:34:38] <pacopablo> bbl
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[12:32:07] <Eridius> hey coderanger, DreamHost says one of my trac.fcgi processes was hung and was sucking up CPU and RAM on the server. The admin killed the process, and the CPU/RAM usage dropped back down to normal levels. Any idea what could cause a single trac.fcgi to do that?
[12:32:52] <coderanger> usually its some piece of nasty wiki markup that makes the formatter grumpy
[12:33:21] <coderanger> but it could also be a bug in either trac or one of the libraries, I would need more info than that to tell
[12:33:21] <Eridius> huh
[12:33:32] <Eridius> yeah, unfortunately the admin didn't try and gather any info before killing it
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[13:05:47] <Dmitri_P> hi
[13:05:59] <Dmitri_P> can anyone tell me how to embed css in the wiki?
[13:06:34] <Dmitri_P> the preprocessor is filtering out <style> tags, and i don't know, where to change existing style-files
[13:12:37] <Dmitri_P> cmon guys^^
[13:12:53] <Dmitri_P> no man for this prob avialable, help me ;)
[13:13:43] <Eridius> existing style files are in the chrome
[13:13:53] <Eridius> /usr/share/trac/htdocs is where it exists on the server I'm using
[13:14:06] <Eridius> although I copied this directory into my vhost document root so I could make changes
[13:14:13] <Eridius> that's actually the /chrome/common directory
[13:14:15] <pygi> o.O
[13:14:35] * Eridius copied that into his document root as the folder "common" and set up an alias for /chrome to point to the right location
[13:14:43] <Eridius> so I could add a new image as /chrome/5t.png
[13:15:37] <Dmitri_P> ty a lot
[13:16:12] * pygi thinks thats a hacky way
[13:16:34] * Dmitri_P thinks, that the trac-sys is a big hack ;)
[13:17:40] <Eridius> pygi: I tried adding an alias for /chrome and then one for /chrome/common, but the /chrome/common alias was never used
[13:17:49] <Eridius> and I didn't want to invent a new directory for my chrome
[13:21:18] <coderanger> What are you trying to do?
[13:21:32] <coderanger> also, for that use /chrome/site
[13:21:48] <coderanger> it maps to the htdocs folder in the env
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[13:30:01] <Dmitri_P> i think there's a plugin for such probs, isn't it?
[13:31:34] <Eridius> coderanger: there's an htdocs folder in the env? I've never seen one
[13:31:50] * Eridius goes looking
[13:31:52] <pygi> Eridius, :)
[13:31:55] <pygi> there is, yesh
[13:31:56] <coderanger> Dmitri_P: What is your goal ...
[13:32:17] <Eridius> you're right, there is one
[13:32:21] <pygi> xD
[13:32:46] <Dmitri_P> coderanger: to use a nice css file for a layout in the trac-wiki ;)
[13:33:26] <coderanger> Dmitri_P: SysCss or the site_css.cs file
[13:33:28] <coderanger> or a theme
[13:33:41] <Dmitri_P> that's better thx
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[14:11:10] <mitsuhiko> matt_good: ping
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[17:39:01] <pygi> s0undt3ch, still not around?
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[18:03:44] <s0undt3ch> pygi: I am now
[18:03:51] <s0undt3ch> pygi: I'm having some server problems
[18:04:03] <s0undt3ch> don't know if it's MD, Power, HD
[18:04:12] <s0undt3ch> *MB
[18:05:08] <s0undt3ch> just bought 2 new 250G hitachi's for the new etch installation, my power or my mobo on my amd duron, won't even start if both are attached
[18:05:11] <s0undt3ch> dam
[18:05:35] <pygi> s0undt3ch, heh
[18:05:52] <s0undt3ch> well, I'm pissed that's what it is
[18:06:31] <s0undt3ch> please, please GOD! bring me my PIII back
[18:07:30] <s0undt3ch> why did I even traded my PIII@500Mhz for this Duron@1Ghz, sure, double the speed, but I also doubled the troubles
[18:09:02] <s0undt3ch> what should I do now!? buy a new mobo+cpu!? power supply is new, HD's are new
[18:09:44] <pygi> :-/
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[18:10:04] <s0undt3ch> yeah
[18:10:05] <s0undt3ch> heh
[18:10:18] <pygi> s0undt3ch, what internet access do you have on it anyway?
[18:10:20] <coderanger> s0undt3ch: Buy a Mac ;-)
[18:10:28] <pygi> Here a constant connection is very expensive
[18:10:48] <s0undt3ch> coderanger: sure, you'll endorse me?
[18:11:01] <s0undt3ch> pygi: 4Meg down/256K up
[18:11:22] <s0undt3ch> pygi: ADSL
[18:11:33] <pygi> s0undt3ch, ah, but fixed IP?
[18:11:33] <coderanger> s0undt3ch: Sure thing, I hearby pledge you $0.01US for getting a Mac :)
[18:11:48] <s0undt3ch> coderanger: funny guy ;)
[18:12:17] <s0undt3ch> pygi: nope, dynamic, fixed ip's here is 50 euros month, f*king isp's
[18:12:39] <pygi> s0undt3ch, ehm, doesn't it disconnect every 24 hours then?
[18:12:43] <s0undt3ch> but dnsexit does the trick to keep my domain updated to my ip
[18:12:52] <s0undt3ch> pygi: every 36 hours
[18:12:58] <s0undt3ch> with a brand new ip
[18:13:02] <pygi> prices for fixed IP vary very here: from something like 35$ to a lot lot lot lot :)
[18:13:06] <pygi> s0undt3ch, oh, is 24 hours here
[18:13:26] <pygi> s0undt3ch, but 4Mbit down is very expensive, tho I think our up is a big higher
[18:13:33] <s0undt3ch> I'm not going to buy a fixed ip from those suckers
[18:13:51] <s0undt3ch> I payÂ~ 39 euros
[18:14:05] <s0undt3ch> but should be paying about 50 euros
[18:14:18] <pygi> 39EEuro O.o
[18:14:22] <s0undt3ch> I get a company discount ;)
[18:14:26] <pygi> 1Mbit flat rate is something like that over here
[18:14:33] <s0undt3ch> ouch
[18:14:49] <pygi> agreed :P
[18:14:53] <s0undt3ch> well, my isp is even promissing 8down/512up
[18:15:07] <s0undt3ch> but we have a portuguese intranet
[18:15:15] <pygi> I want optic cables, but only one city has it so far :-/
[18:15:21] <s0undt3ch> I only have 60Gig's international downaloads
[18:15:42] <pygi> heh, intranet is non-existant
[18:15:49] <pygi> entire network collapsed yesterday for two hours
[18:17:30] * s0undt3ch is searching for a used mobo with AMD duron support....
[18:17:53] <s0undt3ch> heh, found a soltek with 2xPIII
[18:18:11] <s0undt3ch> do PIII and 1000Hz exist?
[18:18:32] <pygi> Tualatin
[18:18:33] <s0undt3ch> don't PIII stop at ~700 Mhz?
[18:18:56] <pygi> 1000Mhz used Tualatin core if I'm not mistaken
[18:19:02] <s0undt3ch> ah
[18:19:29] <s0undt3ch> well, there a guy selling 2xPIII@1G plus mobo for ~150 euros
[18:19:46] <pygi> well, buy if you want :-P
[18:20:30] <s0undt3ch> I'll be doubling current server speed, will I even double the doubled troubles?
[18:20:37] <s0undt3ch> :)
[18:20:52] <pygi> :P
[18:21:01] <pygi> but pity it gets disconnected
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[18:21:24] <s0undt3ch> pygi: what my server?
[18:21:32] <pygi> s0undt3ch, yup
[18:21:57] <s0undt3ch> there's only about 3mins unreachable time between hangups, and thateven includes updating DNS
[18:22:15] <s0undt3ch> so it's not that bad
[18:22:40] <pygi> right, but 3 minutes is 3 minutes :P
[18:23:19] <s0undt3ch> yeah, and dedicated server is not 39 euros :)
[18:23:37] <pygi> but vps IS :p
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[18:28:52] <s0undt3ch> hmm, found a mobo for this cpu for about ~25 euros
[18:29:37] <pygi> oh well :)
[18:29:43] <pygi> either that or pay 150Euro :)
[18:30:28] <s0undt3ch> yeah, that deal is really catching my eyeballs
[18:30:47] <s0undt3ch> but the less I spend the better
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[18:33:10] <s0undt3ch> hmmm
[18:33:23] <s0undt3ch> ASUS A7V133 + ATLHON 800MHZ+ 64MG RAM ~ 45 euros
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[18:33:34] <s0undt3ch> that gives me a spare cpu
[18:36:31] <pygi> which will be of no use
[18:37:20] <s0undt3ch> it will, I'll give the cpu and this board to my girl :) well, borrow
[18:37:26] <s0undt3ch> ;)
[18:39:01] <s0undt3ch> I the dual PIII guy doesn't want 100 euros for his pack, I think I'll bid on that one
[18:39:05] <s0undt3ch> *If
[18:39:58] <pygi> ebay?
[18:40:16] <s0undt3ch> consider it a portuguese ebay
[18:40:33] <s0undt3ch> though it's not ebay
[18:40:42] <pygi> ah, ok :)
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[18:45:01] <s0undt3ch> I only need my server to hang for a few more days
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[19:04:12] <pygi> night now
[19:04:16] <pygi> s0undt3ch, will have to talk later
[19:04:54] <s0undt3ch> pygi: sure
[19:05:01] <s0undt3ch> pygi: gn8
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[20:12:05] <kkatzke> Howdy, Trac-ies
[20:13:01] <kkatzke> When someone's around ... I'm a PHP dev, not a Python dev. But I'd like to help out with Trac. Where's a good place to get started learning the hows and whys of the way Trac does Python?
[20:13:11] <kkatzke> (Besides, obviously, reading the codebase.)
[20:13:43] <kkatzke> Also, what's Trac require in the way of a dev environment? I only have my Mac laptop and my webserver, both of which are configured for running PHP apps.
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[20:48:08] <coderanger> @dive
[20:48:08] <evil_twin> coderanger: "dive" is Dive Into Python: A crash course in Python for experienced programmers. http://www.diveintopython.org
[20:48:51] <coderanger> Good general intro
[20:49:05] <coderanger> Then start looking at plugins that are similar to what you want to work on
[20:52:10] <coderanger> Then ask us lots of questions ;-)
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[20:58:31] <kkatzke> Heh! Ok. I think I need to scrounge some parts and get another box working, I can't figure out how to not screw up my live install of Trac on my webserver.
[20:59:57] <coderanger> Use tracd
[21:00:03] <coderanger> (for development)
[21:00:12] <prologic> it's pertty hard to screw up :)
[21:00:18] <prologic> hmm
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[21:00:27] <prologic> Sheri is awesome stuff :)
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[21:09:30] <kkatzke> Ooh. I'd forgotten about tracd. Thanks.
[21:09:52] <coderanger> kkatzke: The --autoreload option is a godsend for development
[21:23:07] <kkatzke> autoreload?
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[21:23:35] <coderanger> Reloads plugin code on any changes
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[21:54:43] <gmoore> hi. just set up trac using lighthttpd and postgres. it's working but the stylesheet/javascript/etc is all broken so i'm guessing it can't serve up the files in /usr/share/trac/htdocs -- any ideas why? the files are chmod 775
[21:55:13] <coderanger> Trying to serve from /?
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[22:00:44] <gmoore> i'm not sure. i'm not used to lighthttpd.
[22:00:59] <coderanger> what should the URL to the site be
[22:01:16] <gmoore> [01:58] <ocean> alias.url = (
[22:01:17] <gmoore> [01:58] <ocean> "^/trac/chrome/common/" => "/usr/share/trac/htdocs",
[22:01:17] <gmoore> [01:58] <ocean> "" => "/usr/share/trac/cgi-bin/trac.fcgi",
[22:01:17] <gmoore> [01:58] <ocean> )
[22:01:54] <coderanger> Yeah, thats a bug in Lighty
[22:04:59] <gmoore> ?
[22:07:28] <coderanger> it doesn't serve FCGI from / correcty
[22:08:24] <coderanger> Actually that looks wrong
[22:08:31] <coderanger> can you pastebin your lighty config?
[22:08:33] <coderanger> lisppaste5: url
[22:08:34] <lisppaste5> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/trac and enter your paste.
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[22:12:43] <lisppaste5> gmoore pasted "Lighty config" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/36010
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