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February 16, 2007

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[01:18:11] <GingerDog> Hi; can I use one SQL database for all trac projects?
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[01:31:03] <Dwarfoo7> Hi!
[01:32:18] * GingerDog spots the appropriate wiki page (TracMultipleProjects/MultipleEnvironmentsSingleDatabase)
[01:33:42] <Dwarfoo7> Could anyone help me on the following:
[01:33:50] <Dwarfoo7> I would like to use this part of code:
[01:33:51] <Dwarfoo7> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInterfaceCustomization#ProjectList
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[01:34:04] <Dwarfoo7> but not in index.cs but in header.cs (for instance)
[01:34:13] <Dwarfoo7> Unfortunatelly it does not work
[01:35:03] <Dwarfoo7> I don't know much about clearsilver and therefore I don't understand what and where this 'projects' come from and how it is initialised
[01:35:17] <Dwarfoo7> Can someone help me on this ? Cheers
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[03:20:19] <jonasn> On http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTicketsCustomFields there is an example of how to insert one custom field in a report. Can I find an example of how to display more than one custom field in a report anywhere?
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[03:43:04] <Dwarfoo7> is there a forum related to trac questions?
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[04:21:17] <jonasn> There is a mailing list: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/MailingList
[04:29:05] <jonasn> And since I am also a newbie, I have a question too: Can anyone post to the mailing lists through nntp (gmane.org). I get an error saying that I have to use google groups every time I try ?
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[05:47:56] <De_Mon> coderanger_ specify a argument in the URL and reference that argument in the wiki itself. ?foo=bar for example in the code as [[foo]] or something like that...
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[07:11:39] <Demian> hi
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[07:39:09] <coderanger_> De_Mon: You can't do that
[07:39:32] <coderanger_> De_Mon: Not without making your own macro or something, but why
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[09:35:23] <technomancy> so i removed features from the mainnav pref in trac.ini, and now they're showing up on the end of the navbar. any idea how i can banish them permanently?
[09:35:38] <coderanger1> NavHider
[09:35:43] <technomancy> (this is trac 0.9, so i'm kinda expecting the answer is "get a reasonably recent version")
[09:35:58] <coderanger1> The mainnav stuff in trac.ini is for controlling order only
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[09:36:06] <coderanger1> and yes, navhider will only work with 0.10.x
[09:36:07] <technomancy> oh... that's weird
[09:36:23] <technomancy> kinda misleading if you ask me, but whatever
[09:36:29] <coderanger1> In 0.9, your only option is to disable the component generating the button
[09:36:47] <technomancy> oh, i should just do that... of course
[09:36:48] <coderanger1> technomancy: How is it misleading, the docs are quite clear about it
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[09:37:26] <technomancy> coderanger: it's counterintuitive if you don't look at the docs. not a big deal.
[09:37:39] <coderanger> technomancy: Not reading the docs is never a good idea ;-)
[09:38:13] <technomancy> but just making uninformed changes to trac.ini has always worked for me in the past. =)
[09:38:53] <coderanger> heh
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[09:39:45] <technomancy> so can i just say: trac.(timeline|roadmap|browse).* = disabled
[09:40:04] <coderanger> well if you expand it out, yes
[09:40:06] <technomancy> (in three lines, of course)
[09:40:07] <technomancy> yeah
[09:40:09] <technomancy> cool
[09:40:28] <coderanger> though those are the wrong names
[09:40:41] <coderanger> trac.versioncontrol.web_ui.* = disabled
[09:41:39] <coderanger> trac.ticket.roadmap.* = disabled
[09:41:47] <coderanger> trac.timeline.* = disabled
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[09:41:54] <technomancy> awesome; thanks
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[09:42:22] <technomancy> yay; works. much abliged.
[09:42:26] <technomancy> *obliged.
[09:58:28] <mitsuhiko> where is cboos when you need him? :)
[10:02:53] <coderanger> Hiding
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[10:05:49] <Blackhex> hello all
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[10:11:41] * technomancy digs Trac... =)
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[10:28:51] <Honza> Hi, I need to export the content of some of the Trac Wiki pages. I know how to extract the contect from the database, but I would also like to have it rendered from the wiki syntax to HTML. Is there a easy way to do so? I tried to figure out myself by looking at the Trac source code, but I failed miserably. :(
[10:29:18] <coderanger> CombineWiki plugin over on trac-hacks
[10:29:39] <coderanger> exports to PDF, PS, HTML, and TiddlyWiki
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[10:32:27] <Honza> Thanks, coderanger, I will take a look on that one, but I don't think I need a plugin. Rather I need to figure out which of the Trac API function I need to call to convert a wiki-syntax text to HTML.
[10:32:41] <coderanger> wiki_to_html
[10:32:58] <Honza> Yes, I know, but how do I setup the params correctly?
[10:33:18] <coderanger> env is Environment object, req is a Request object
[10:34:02] <Honza> I tried something like:
[10:34:18] <Blackhex> Honza: ahoj :-)
[10:34:29] <Honza> env = trac.env.Environment('/path/to/my/trac/project')
[10:35:12] <Honza> trac.wiki.formatter.wiki_to_html("""'''foo bar''' abc CamelCase""", env, None)
[10:35:24] <Honza> and it failed on the CamelCase
[10:35:37] <Honza> without it the conversion went fine
[10:35:46] <coderanger> Honza: Becuase you need a Request object ..
[10:35:52] <coderanger> And None isn't a request object
[10:36:01] <Honza> coderanger, ok, that makes sense :)
[10:36:02] <coderanger> I would highly recommend you use the export plugin
[10:36:53] <Honza> OK, I'll give it one more try with the Request object and if it goes wrong I will look at the plugin. Thanks.
[10:37:05] <coderanger> You can't just fabricate a Request
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[10:37:23] <coderanger> You can make a mock of it, but you would have to look through the formatter system and know what to fake
[10:37:34] <noahslater> Is there anyway to get Trac to work with trailing slashes?
[10:37:48] <coderanger> noahslater: Where?
[10:38:01] <noahslater> I have looked at mod_python but it cannot alter the request line so I cannot fool Trac into thinking the trailing slash is missing.
[10:38:05] <Honza> ok, I will look at the plugin then
[10:38:20] <noahslater> coderanger, I would like to force trailing slashes in Apache but Trac baulks on them.
[10:38:28] <coderanger> Why ...
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[10:38:47] <noahslater> Why?
[10:39:07] <noahslater> Because that's the way I like it.
[10:39:16] <coderanger> It would require a lot of hacking
[10:39:31] <coderanger> And is incorrect from a semantics PoV
[10:39:38] <noahslater> You're wrong on that one...
[10:39:50] <coderanger> Look at the match_request function in each request handle
[10:39:50] <noahslater> ... the semantics of a URI space are governed entirely by the owner of said space.
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[10:40:21] <coderanger> Ending in a / indicates a container, a wiki page or a ticket isn't a container
[10:40:29] <coderanger> It is a resource
[10:40:29] <noahslater> Who sais it does?
[10:40:33] <noahslater> says
[10:40:42] <coderanger> Every modern OS
[10:40:49] <noahslater> You mean as in a filesystem?
[10:40:59] <noahslater> URIs are not related to filesystems.
[10:41:06] <noahslater> They just look similar.
[10:41:20] <retracile> ...and you're trying to break that similarity.
[10:41:26] <coderanger> And when things look similar, it is usually for a reason
[10:41:36] <noahslater> I'm not trying to break anything.
[10:41:52] <noahslater> What reason is that?
[10:42:17] <coderanger> That FS paths and URI paths share similar semantics when it comes to hierarchies?
[10:42:25] <noahslater> A URI is a resource is a resource is a resource. A trailing slash has absolutely no semantic value.
[10:42:28] <coderanger> Why do you think / is used as a hierarchy separator
[10:42:35] <noahslater> Unless you specificaly give it one for YOUR site.
[10:42:40] <coderanger> The rest of the Internet begs to differ
[10:42:59] <noahslater> I think it's used as a seperator because it's conveniet.
[10:43:08] <Honza> coderanger, I don't quite understand how to use the plug-in for my purpose. What I actually need is a my_wiki_to_html function which accepts two params: path_to_my_project and name_of_the_wiki page and returns the contents of the wiki page in HTML.
[10:43:10] <noahslater> s/conveniet/convenient/
[10:43:22] <noahslater> I could just as well use ":"
[10:43:43] <coderanger> noahslater: Okay, but they didn't, and you deciding to change the convention followed by the rest of the world is a bad idea
[10:44:07] <coderanger> Honza: What is your end goal
[10:44:11] <noahslater> I never for one second proposed to use ":" as a separator, I simply stated that I could, I liked.
[10:44:52] <retracile> noahslater: the change he's talking about is the use of a trailing / for a non-container
[10:45:08] <noahslater> What is a container?
[10:45:15] <noahslater> Is this a Trac specific word?
[10:45:42] <coderanger> noahslater: No
[10:46:00] <coderanger> This is a general paradigm on the internet
[10:46:31] <coderanger> If a URL ends in / that generally means it is a structural resource only there to contain other "real" resoures
[10:46:33] <noahslater> Container? I have never heard that before, how would you define it? Any references?
[10:46:45] <coderanger> "Teh Intarwebs"
[10:46:51] <Honza> coderanger, I'm creating a web application and I would like to have all the texts on its interface as wiki pages so that they are easily edited by multiple users and so that changes can be tracked. Then when I generate a web page in that application there will be places where the text from one or more wiki pages needs to be inserted. Does it make sense?
[10:46:57] <retracile> noahslater: Don't force trailing /'s with Trac. The rest of the discussion is noise.
[10:47:38] <noahslater> I would like to however, dispite your views (which of course you are entitled to) and was want to know the best way to do it.
[10:47:58] <coderanger> Honza: Yes, but there is no good answer other than "dive in and learn how the wiki formatter works" :-/
[10:48:04] <noahslater> coderanger, all resources are REAL resources.
[10:48:08] <noahslater> No matter how you look at it.
[10:48:15] <coderanger> Honza: It isn't well designed for reuse outside of Trac
[10:48:40] <coderanger> noahslater: And as I said, the best (only?) way to do it is to change every match_request
[10:49:01] <coderanger> and probably a few other things as they come up, like the wiki system redirect from blah/ -> blah
[10:49:05] <Honza> coderanger: Ok, that's what I was afraid of. Thanks anyway.
[10:49:18] <noahslater> Or patch WSGIRequestHandler.raw_requestline directly?
[10:49:26] <coderanger> And no, there different types of resources online
[10:49:36] <noahslater> coderanger, such as?
[10:50:09] <coderanger> noahslater: A listing of blog entries for example, it serves as a container for the "real" resources, the posts
[10:50:19] <noahslater> Yes, but that listing is still a resource.
[10:50:20] <coderanger> It has no meaning outside of the posts as it is just a list
[10:50:38] <noahslater> Meaning is subjective. It's still a resource that I make a request for and parse.
[10:50:55] <noahslater> I might like to collect lists of things, and in my world the list is a first order resource.
[10:50:59] <noahslater> It's all subjective.
[10:51:06] <coderanger> Resource from a semantics PoV and resource from a web server PoV have little to do with each other
[10:51:10] <noahslater> In my world all resources public identifiers end in "/"
[10:51:34] <coderanger> And yes, it is subjective, but other people already made the subjective judgements for you
[10:51:36] <noahslater> But the semantics of public identifiers (URIs) is subjective.
[10:51:42] <coderanger> You would do well to listen to them
[10:51:45] <noahslater> Um, no - I don't think so.
[10:51:52] <noahslater> I'm not the only one who likes trailing slashes.
[10:52:12] <coderanger> The doesn't make you, or anyone else, right :P
[10:52:24] <noahslater> The converse is true.
[10:52:31] <noahslater> Is there a point to this?
[10:52:46] <noahslater> We disagree... there's enough room on teh web for us to coexist.
[10:52:47] <coderanger> "Trying to this is probably a bad use of your time"
[10:52:52] <noahslater> I asked about the WSGIRequestHandler?
[10:53:00] <coderanger> As I think Eli said several times already
[10:53:21] <coderanger> noahslater: Well that would be lying about the URI, which may cause secondary problems
[10:53:34] <coderanger> But you can try it
[10:53:35] <noahslater> Such as? Is that not the premise of mod_rewrite?
[10:53:45] <noahslater> I can't see any repecussions?
[10:53:56] <coderanger> It is, and is there not a huge warning box saying "Know what you are doing" on the mod_rewrite page ;-)
[10:54:14] <noahslater> I do know what I'm doing, so lucky on that point.
[10:54:18] <noahslater> :)
[10:54:35] <noahslater> coderanger, are you a Trac developer?
[10:54:48] <coderanger> Nope
[10:54:48] <retracile> Ah, then you needn't bother us with questions. ;P
[10:54:58] <coderanger> Just the local plugin guru
[10:55:26] <noahslater> I know what I am doing in respect to URL rewriting. Thanks, retracile, for your sacasm. I had come here for some Trac experts.
[10:55:31] <retracile> (not to mention a good source of answers.)))))
[10:56:01] * coderanger -> next class
[10:56:05] <noahslater> retracile, are you a Trac developer?
[10:56:21] <retracile> Nope.
[10:56:22] <noahslater> Or rather, are there any active here at the moment?
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[10:57:16] <noahslater> I will take that as a no and file a bug for this then.
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[11:12:29] <Blackhex> coderanger_: please I just trying DiscussionPlugin with PostgresSQL and this error http://www.trac-hacks.org/ticket/1192 occurs to me too. Do you have any idea what causes it (in psycopg) and If there is posibilty how to avoid this?
[11:13:54] <mitsuhiko> i wonder if it would make sense to add pygments filter support to the trac pygments layer
[11:13:59] <mitsuhiko> would anybody use that?
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[11:20:46] <Blackhex> or anyone?
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[12:04:23] <calculus> coderanger_: thanks for the input about trac 0.9 dependencies, i have webadmin installed globally and i am trying to get wikirenameplugin working
[12:04:45] <calculus> i installed the .egg file to the plugins directory
[12:05:08] <calculus> is there anything to change in trac.ini to enable it?
[12:05:26] <calculus> also i am using tracd to serve the webhosting
[12:05:40] <Blackhex> I'm not sure about 0.9 but in 0.10 you have to enable plugins in trac.in in [components] section
[12:06:05] <Blackhex> apropriate info should be included at plugin's page
[12:06:27] <calculus> well i have wikirename.* = enabled there but nothing is showing up under the plugins menu on webadmin
[12:06:48] <calculus> yeah, but there isn't
[12:07:21] <calculus> just a download source and browse repository
[12:07:43] <Blackhex> so try to look in debug log if enabled if there is something telling reason
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[12:10:46] <oblio_> hola
[12:10:59] <Blackhex> hi
[12:11:03] <oblio_> off hand - is it possible to have trac always display the "name" field instead of the user id?
[12:11:53] <Blackhex> where?
[12:12:10] <oblio_> everywhere.. owner, reporter, for assignment
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[12:12:30] <Blackhex> possibly by editing template
[12:12:32] <calculus> Blackhex: the log doesn't say anything about trying to load plugins
[12:12:40] <oblio_> blackhex: i was just looking at those...
[12:12:45] <oblio_> i think it requires a code modification
[12:12:55] <Blackhex> oblio_: maybe
[12:13:01] <oblio_> i was wondering if it was a setting and/or a trachack
[12:13:03] <calculus> would tracd have to be restarted?
[12:13:08] <Demian> oh. where can i get a list of country codes and names in spanish?
[12:13:13] <Blackhex> calculus: just shooting: what about permission of new installled eggs?
[12:13:35] <Blackhex> calculus: yes
[12:14:18] <calculus> so far, just 600, changing permissions now
[12:14:27] <Blackhex> oblio_: no as I know but I don't know much :-)
[12:16:01] <retracile> oblio_: looks like there are a couple of tickets related...
[12:16:04] <retracile> @ticket 3737
[12:16:04] <evil_twin> retracile: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3737
[12:16:10] <retracile> @ticket 3667
[12:16:10] <evil_twin> retracile: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3667
[12:16:23] <retracile> @ticket 4553
[12:16:23] <evil_twin> retracile: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4553
[12:16:49] <retracile> oblio_: maybe that will give you a starting point...
[12:16:54] <oblio_> retracile: thanks
[12:19:02] <calculus> Blackhex: thanks, I will see if i can get the admin to restart it
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[13:10:18] <Blackhex> anyone from trac developers around?
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[13:17:01] <davedave> we just rebuilt our trac server and everything seems to be working accept the notification mails. has annyone seen anything that would cause this error message in the logs: trac.server.com [127.0.0.1] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA
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[13:44:49] <davedave> does anyone know if 10.4 is stable for prod use yet?
[13:45:06] <coderanger_> It isn't actively developed, so it should be
[13:45:10] <coderanger_> its just bugfixes
[13:45:21] <coderanger_> Or at least it should be no worse than 0.10.3
[13:47:23] <davedave> ahh
[13:52:27] <coderanger_> Unless a backported bug fix breaks something, but hopefully that wouldn't happen
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[14:41:58] <Macca> ok sooooooo
[14:42:05] <Macca> pygments still isn't highlighting my C#
[14:43:26] <Macca> this is the debug log: http://www.pastebin.ca/358439
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[14:48:47] <mitsuhiko> Macca: which pygments version?
[14:48:56] <Macca> 0.7
[14:50:19] <mitsuhiko> hmm. looks like trac isn't recognizing .cs as application/x-csharp
[14:50:27] <Macca> my thought precisely
[14:50:32] <mitsuhiko> Macca: sec
[14:50:46] <mitsuhiko> you can override mimetypes locally
[14:51:10] <Macca> in trac.ini ?
[14:51:25] <coderanger_> .cs is probably still ClearSilver templates by default
[14:51:30] <mitsuhiko> Macca: jep
[14:51:40] <Macca> where bouts in trac.ini do i putit ?
[14:51:43] <mitsuhiko> i just forget the syntax all the time
[14:51:54] <mitsuhiko> Macca: grepping chatlogs. matt_good posted it some time ago here
[14:52:18] <mitsuhiko> Macca: trac 0.11 or 0.10?
[14:52:23] <Macca> 0.10
[14:52:33] <coderanger_> look at mime_map
[14:52:43] <coderanger_> there should be an entry to show you the syntx
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[14:53:02] <Macca> so just add ,text/x-csharp:cs ?
[14:53:30] <coderanger_> yep
[14:53:44] <coderanger_> or is it application/?
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[14:53:50] <Macca> nah text
[14:53:56] <mitsuhiko> coderanger_: pygments has it as text/x-csharp
[14:54:16] <mitsuhiko> Macca: are you using matt_goods version or my backport?
[14:54:24] <coderanger_> mitsuhiko: You said app/ a few lines up, which confused me ;-)
[14:54:28] <Macca> i think yours
[14:54:33] <mitsuhiko> i wonder why the latter still isn't in the repo
[14:54:40] <Macca> but nossure
[14:54:41] <mitsuhiko> coderanger_: i just guessed :)
[14:55:02] <mitsuhiko> matt_good: poke
[14:55:22] <Macca> yay
[14:55:24] <Macca> i think that worked
[14:55:32] <Macca> http://projects.maccasoft.com.au/TSMUploader/browser/trunk/Uploader/TimeSheet.cs
[14:55:43] <Macca> i don't like the styling though :S how do i change what things appear as ?
[14:55:55] <Macca> like see how 'using' is black & bold, i want it blue and not bold
[14:56:09] <mitsuhiko> Macca: looks like you're using my backport. sec
[14:58:11] <mitsuhiko> Macca: locally this way: http://projects.maccasoft.com.au/TSMUploader/pygments
[14:58:50] <Macca> thanks :)
[14:58:54] <mitsuhiko> and the default style using
[14:58:58] <mitsuhiko> [mimeviewer]
[14:59:04] <mitsuhiko> pygments_default_style=foobar
[14:59:27] <mitsuhiko> Macca: to add new styles yourself just have a look at the already existing styles in pygments/styles
[14:59:44] <Macca> mmkay. thanks :)
[15:00:38] <mitsuhiko> it's a pity that pygments is unable to highlight c# properties right now
[15:00:44] <mitsuhiko> maybe there is a way to fix that
[15:01:17] <Macca> just need to add get/set as keywords
[15:01:35] <mitsuhiko> Macca: those are already. but the property name isn't highlighted
[15:01:46] <mitsuhiko> mainly because matching properties is not that easy
[15:01:54] <Macca> ahh kay
[15:02:17] <Macca> pretty.
[15:02:22] <mitsuhiko> Macca: oh. and i would add text/xml:csproj to the mimetypes mapping :D
[15:02:30] <Macca> mmkaaaaay
[15:02:38] <Macca> how do i add these to global trac stuff so it's not limited to each project ?
[15:03:15] <mitsuhiko> Macca: you're hosting multiple tracs?
[15:03:20] <Macca> yeah
[15:03:27] <mitsuhiko> there is afair a plugin by coderanger_ that helps syncing stuff
[15:03:43] <coderanger_> USe the global trac.ini
[15:04:18] <mitsuhiko> wicked. something that simple i didn't know before xD
[15:04:25] <Macca> where is that ? :S
[15:04:54] <mitsuhiko> i guess in the share folder
[15:05:00] <mitsuhiko> /usr/share/trac
[15:07:07] <mitsuhiko> what the hell=
[15:07:10] <mitsuhiko> ?
[15:07:33] <Macca> ??
[15:07:48] <mitsuhiko> Macca: i just noticed the ZERO WIDTH NO-BREAK SPACE at the beginning of many of your files
[15:07:58] <Macca> ? :S
[15:08:02] <mitsuhiko> is that the "utf-8 bom" by notepad?
[15:08:14] * mitsuhiko investigates
[15:08:14] <Macca> i have no idea what you're talking about :S
[15:08:36] <mitsuhiko> Macca: http://projects.maccasoft.com.au/TSMUploader/browser/trunk/Transfer/Style.css
[15:08:41] <mitsuhiko> first char in that document
[15:08:47] <mitsuhiko> that little dot
[15:08:53] <Macca> i don't see it ?
[15:09:00] <mitsuhiko> yeah. because it's zero width :D
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