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February 22, 2007

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[00:24:25] <rokj> bye
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[01:14:50] <cboos> hello people
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[02:24:19] <Thanatermesis> i have logged in a user on my Trac, but i want to log now in MY user, how i do it ?
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[02:28:00] <Semhirage> Thanatermesis, first suggestion would be to delete the browser cookies
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[02:33:49] <Thanatermesis> nothing :/
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[02:47:34] <tim|mac> hi all, I've got a strange issue with 0.9.4... the timeline displays each wiki entry double...
[02:47:42] <tim|mac> does anyone have any idea on how to solve this?
[02:52:54] <tim|mac> hm... it also has twice the "Wiki changes" button in the sidebar that allows you to select which changes you want to see...
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[04:48:39] <cboos> any tracbofer out there?
[04:49:14] <cboos> coderanger?
[04:49:18] <cboos> alect: ?
[04:55:37] <alect> hi
[05:03:09] <asmodai> alect!
[05:03:12] <asmodai> cboosje!
[05:08:14] <alect> hey asomdai :)
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[05:12:05] <cboos> alect, in TX right now?
[05:12:13] <alect> yep
[05:12:15] <cboos> or midair?
[05:12:17] <alect> just woke up
[05:12:50] <cboos> cool, don't forget to put a chip or two aside for me, tomorrow ;)
[05:13:02] <alect> definitely :)
[05:13:26] <cboos> ok, I heard you (the tracbofers) were planning to work a bit on the ticket system
[05:13:50] <cboos> notably the field support... I thought it would be a good idea if you could do something about the CC: field
[05:14:29] <cboos> a simple special renderer would be enough, to obfuscate the e-mails the same way it's done everywhere else
[05:14:50] <cboos> (nearly everywhere, re #153)
[05:15:30] <cboos> I see some discussion on that ticket about using javascript, but I think it's better to say homogenous with the rest of the interface, and simply display 'name@...'
[05:16:00] <alect> yeah, i think that's a good idea
[05:16:25] <cboos> (using trac.util.text.obfuscate_email_address)
[05:16:31] <alect> was there ever any discussion about displaying just session id's too, rather than email addresses?
[05:17:24] <cboos> actually, that's what the Chrome._format_author helper method does
[05:17:44] <cboos> ah, no
[05:17:47] <cboos> mh
[05:18:03] <cboos> what it /could/ do, then ;/
[05:18:24] <alect> seems like an easy win to me
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[05:18:36] <alect> anyway, got to shower for pycon!!
[05:18:37] <alect> WOOT
[05:18:39] <alect> hey coderanger
[05:18:46] <alect> brb
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[05:23:17] <et> hi, when trac is faced with an invalid date, it says "09/31/07 is not a known date format." - instead of "this date is invalid", is this intended?
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[05:30:24] <alect> yes
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[06:37:23] <hagabaka> is there a way to automatically generate a table of contents on a trac wiki page?
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[06:38:16] <retracile> hagabaka: look for the TOC macro, or the PageOutline macro, I think...
[06:38:27] <hagabaka> oh
[06:40:58] <retracile> @wiki WikiMacros
[06:40:58] <evil_twin> retracile: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiMacros
[06:41:17] <hagabaka> is it not included in trac by default
[06:41:19] <hagabaka> ?
[06:41:51] <retracile> It looks like the PageOutline macro is included; haven't used it in a while.
[06:41:54] <hagabaka> oh, PageOutline seems to be
[06:41:57] <hagabaka> ok
[06:59:51] <hagabaka> does trac have an ability to prevent concurrent editing of the same page?
[07:00:00] <hagabaka> since it can't merge the changes
[07:00:08] <alect> hi
[07:00:16] <alect> pycon!
[07:00:28] <retracile> alect: pycon! ;)
[07:01:09] <retracile> hagabaka: if someone edits the page before you hit submit, it'll tell you and won't overwrite the new page.
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[07:01:47] <retracile> alect: when do you get into town?
[07:03:14] <alect> i am in a tutorial already :)
[07:03:19] <alect> you here too?
[07:05:35] <retracile> alect: I live in the area; I'll be showing up @ pycon tomorrow morning.
[07:06:27] <alect> awesome :)
[07:06:40] <alect> i am doing the zope component architecture tute at the moment
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[07:09:51] <retracile> have fun :)
[07:10:50] <alect> shall do, see you tomorrow :)
[07:10:59] <hagabaka> i think it would be more sensible to prevent concurrent editing, or at least inform the second editor that someone else is already editing the page
[07:11:30] <hagabaka> the best would be the ability to merge changes though
[07:16:05] <cboos> hagabaka: that's a good idea... maybe it's not a big deal to add this feature:
[07:16:30] <cboos> would it be ok to show the diffs of the other person from the original text?
[07:16:53] <cboos> or the diffs between the other with your modified text?
[07:17:11] <cboos> ideally, we'd like to have 3-ways diffs, but that's not yet possible ...
[07:17:37] <hagabaka> i'm not sure which would be useful either
[07:17:41] <hagabaka> more useful
[07:18:09] <cboos> perhaps the first:
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[07:18:25] <cboos> the edit of the other person are meaninful against the original
[07:18:33] <cboos> not necessarily against your version
[07:18:42] <hagabaka> maybe the diff of two editors' diffs :)
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[07:20:38] <cboos> well, it's true that a 3-ways diff would be nice in this case, maybe I should wait until we have that ...
[07:21:49] <hagabaka> but it's already possible to merge two changed versions right? like svn does
[07:22:28] <cboos> show conflicts with conflicts marker? no, not yet implemented
[07:22:51] <hagabaka> i mean it's already possible to implement it
[07:23:23] <cboos> well, this is a broad category ;-)
[07:23:25] <hagabaka> unlike 3-way diff
[07:24:18] <retracile> if we had an svn backend for the wiki, this might be easier... ;)
[07:24:20] <cboos> well, there's nothing preventing a 3-ways diff to be implemented, or what do you mean?
[07:25:09] <cboos> retracile: not necessarily, I'm not sure if the svn code for creating "conflicted" files is reachable from the python bindings...
[07:25:14] <hagabaka> well, there doesn't seem to be an existing algorithm or understanding for 3-way diffs, is what i thought you mean
[07:25:27] <hagabaka> but merging two sets of changes is already implemented by svn
[07:25:49] <retracile> mediawiki allows you to edit just a section of a page, which may side-step the issue somewhat; though supporting a merge would still be a better solution.
[07:26:10] <cboos> no, tools to handle 3-ways diffs are quite common (diff3)
[07:26:21] <hagabaka> oh
[07:26:25] <cboos> Emacs does it too, kdiff as well, etc.
[07:26:37] <hagabaka> still, it's not necessarily helpful for the editor though
[07:27:04] <hagabaka> i think as you said, "the diffs of the other person from the original text" would be more useful
[07:27:53] <hagabaka> because when this happened a while ago, what the other editor asked me was "what did you change?"
[07:28:18] <cboos> yes, it's actually a question of policy... if you want to modify a page after someone else as saved an edit, maybe rather than keeping /your/ edit and showing the diff of the other person,
[07:28:42] <cboos> it's perhaps nicer to keep the other person's edit and show /your/ diffs against the original...
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[07:29:34] <hagabaka> well, if it's allowed to commit changes when another person is still working, then it would make sense to let the changes be commited
[07:30:40] <hagabaka> or one person makes the changes and leaves, but later all the work will be gone when the second editor saves their changes
[07:30:54] <cboos> it's always the first to save who "wins", there's no lock or anything, simply a check that there's no version conflict
[07:31:11] <cboos> i.e. you and me start to edit version 23,
[07:31:32] <cboos> the first to save will get the version 24 and the other will see his attempt fail as version 24 will already exist
[07:32:08] <cboos> that's how it works currenly - the question is how to make life easier after a conflict is detected...
[07:32:16] <hagabaka> oh
[07:33:31] <cboos> currently, after a conflict we simply output an error, then the user has to go back (pray for his changes to be still in the browser's form), eventually copy his text, start over... quite painful actually, yes
[07:34:37] <hagabaka> i think it's better to attempt to automatically merge changes, and show the second editor a preview of the final result. if it can't be merged, let the editor reedit, and show whatever diffs might be helpful
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[07:36:23] <cboos> too bad Trac is not GPL'ed anymore... there would be some nice code to borrow for doing that in Mercurial ;-)
[07:37:38] <hagabaka> hmm
[07:38:13] <retracile> you could ask the developer nicely... *shrug*
[07:39:05] <cboos> have you ever tried such an exercise? ;-) (those with the longer beards are the nastier, of course)
[07:42:43] <alect> cboos: i'm in the zope component architecture tute
[07:42:59] <alect> as you probably know, trac's component architecture is almost identical
[07:43:03] <cboos> ah, great!
[07:43:09] <cboos> anything to steal?
[07:43:12] <cboos> he
[07:43:23] <alect> we're discussing the differences between composition and abstract base classes
[07:43:26] <alect> ala trac vs pocoo
[07:43:44] <rjdave> has anyone ever gotten permission denied when you try to change to a side-by-side diff in a changeset?
[07:43:53] <cboos> alect: I'm all ears!
[07:44:15] <cboos> rjdave: no that's new ;)
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[07:47:24] <rjdave> it doesn't even matter what I have the "View differences" field set to. As soon as i hit Update i get permission denied. and it's Imediate... not even a page loading delay
[07:50:57] <rjdave> dammit. i guess I have to set write access to Models:/changset for normal users?
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[07:54:06] <cboos> rjdave: what version of Trac are you using?
[07:56:33] <rjdave> 0.10.3
[07:57:21] <cboos> I think there was a problem there for checking the VIEW_FILES permission ...
[07:57:56] <cboos> (FILE_VIEW I mean) so probably it's only checked _after_ the diff option update...
[07:59:11] <rjdave> well, I added write permissions to /chageset for my group and it's working...can any damage be done by allowing write access to /changeset?
[07:59:45] <cboos> you mean permission to POST to those URLs?
[08:00:26] <rjdave> I guess, I'm new to trac and I'm not really sure how it's all set up yet
[08:00:31] <cboos> yeah, that must be it... the diff pref panel sends a POST...
[08:00:41] <cboos> rjdave: no, no problem
[08:00:49] <rjdave> ok
[08:01:06] <cboos> (there's nothing yet that gets written in the repository)
[08:01:11] <cboos> in the future, maybe
[08:01:13] <cboos> @ticket 781
[08:01:13] <evil_twin> cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/781
[08:01:16] <rjdave> so if you don't have write permissions you can't even send post variables to a page?
[08:02:01] <cboos> I'm not sure what you mean by "write permissions"?
[08:02:28] <cboos> the Trac permissions are not expressed in terms of read/write ...
[08:02:30] <cboos> see
[08:02:35] <cboos> @wiki TracPermissions
[08:02:35] <evil_twin> cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracPermissions
[08:02:53] <rjdave> in the svn-access-file i have the lines [Models:/changeset] and @roms_dev = rw
[08:03:05] <cboos> ah!
[08:03:10] <cboos> no, that shouldn't matter
[08:03:31] <rjdave> what do you mean?
[08:04:31] <cboos> I mean if even if you did set up the trac_authz stuff, we don't look for the "w" permission at all
[08:04:43] <cboos> did you even setup the trac_authz?
[08:04:49] <cboos> @wiki FineGrainedPermissions
[08:04:49] <evil_twin> cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/FineGrainedPermissions
[08:05:08] <rjdave> the set up was a team effort. let me look
[08:05:35] <rjdave> we must have if adding those lines fixed our problem
[08:07:30] <cboos> alect: so what's the big deal with the composition approach?
[08:08:01] <cboos> (besides the fact you can't easily have default implementation for your methods...)
[08:08:05] <rjdave> cboos: actually a grep for trac_authz came up empty on httpd conf files
[08:08:29] <cboos> rjdave: this must be in trac.ini
[08:08:37] <cboos> ($TRAC_ENV/conf/trac.ini)
[08:09:01] <cboos> but as I said, this should have nothing to do with switching the diff mode...
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[08:13:21] <rjdave> it's set in my apache conf
[08:14:12] <rjdave> I just commented those two lines I added to svn-access-file and it doesn't work again
[08:18:27] <rjdave> on another note. is there a way to make the side by side diffs show all lines instead of just the lines surrounding the differences
[08:19:12] <cboos> rjdave: ok, I think the svn modules are taken care of preventing the post ... .probably
[08:19:44] <cboos> rjdave: for seeing all the lines, simply clear the Show ____ field
[08:20:02] <cboos> (or put 'all')
[08:20:11] <rjdave> i was close... i put 0 in
[08:20:25] <cboos> no, that really gives you 'no' context at all ;)
[08:20:29] <rjdave> is there a way to make that the default?
[08:20:47] <cboos> no
[08:20:53] <rjdave> boo
[08:20:59] <cboos> it's hard coded :(
[08:21:17] <rjdave> i see
[08:21:20] <cmlenz> it's stored as a preference, anyway
[08:21:26] <cboos> and I know some people that would (try to) kill me if I add more config options ;-)
[08:21:35] <cmlenz> indeed ;-)
[08:22:02] <rjdave> cmlenz: what do you mean stored as a preference. you mean on a per user level?
[08:22:12] <cmlenz> yeah
[08:22:25] <rjdave> does it span across sessions?
[08:22:39] <cmlenz> if you authenticate then yes
[08:23:00] <Dwarfoo7> Appart from the html, is there any other way to write in colors on the wiki part of trac?
[08:24:06] <cboos> ... like in teenager blogs you mean? no ;-)
[08:24:17] <Dwarfoo7> grrr >;-)
[08:24:35] <cmlenz> yeah, just use myspace ;-)
[08:24:37] <rjdave> one last thing... for now anyway. can you add additional "Download in other formats:" options? like gzipped tar for example?
[08:24:45] <Dwarfoo7> Actuallz I wanted to write about all my best friends and this in pink!
[08:24:50] <Dwarfoo7> *joke*
[08:26:11] <cboos> rjdave: again, not yet, but this is planned
[08:26:22] <cboos> rjdave: do you already have the "Zip" links?
[08:26:45] <cboos> this can already be activated... by using the adequate option
[08:27:01] <cboos> [browser] downloadable_paths = ...list of glob patterns...
[08:28:27] <rjdave> cboos: yes I have the Zip links
[08:28:34] <rjdave> and Unified diff etc
[08:28:39] <cboos> ok, it's all we have for now ;)
[08:29:34] <rjdave> so adding stuff to the downloadable_paths won't do anything yet?
[08:30:14] * rjdave gets it now
[08:30:19] <rjdave> nevermind
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[08:34:31] <cboos> got to go... see you later
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[08:42:06] <pacopablo> morning
[08:51:36] <alect> lo paco
[08:53:02] <rjdave> is there a way to make changeset page only show the list of changed files?
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[08:59:33] <prock> "DataError: too much data for one table row"
[08:59:34] <prock> ?
[08:59:52] <prock> (trac-admin /var/trac initenv)
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[09:00:47] <Federico2> hi there
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[09:30:58] <DNis> hi
[09:31:16] <DNis> i have a question about a script called "TicketRemindScript"
[09:31:24] <DNis> does anyone use it ?
[09:31:52] <DNis> it's a python based script find on http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TicketRemindScript
[09:33:36] <Federico2> is it possible to run trac on sourceforge?
[09:36:14] <kevc> Federico2: I expect the answer is no
[09:36:20] <kevc> but I'm not sure I understand the question
[09:36:48] <Federico2> I mean installing a copy of trac on sf's web space
[09:37:04] <Federico2> some people around seemed to be successful
[09:38:12] <kevc> it'll be running elsewhere I assume
[09:39:34] <DNis> i think its just a link too
[09:40:02] <Federico2> too easy ;)
[09:41:57] <DNis> do u have a url example ?
[09:43:50] <Federico2> nothing up and running afaik
[09:43:54] <Federico2> http://lists.edgewall.com/archive/trac/2005-December/006069.html
[09:44:12] <Federico2> http://threebit.net/mail-archive/trac/msg00252.html
[09:45:07] <rjdave> is there a way to make changeset page only show the list of changed files and not the actual changes?
[09:45:56] <retracile> rjdave: you can make the timeline show the files in the changesets. (approaching the question from the opposite direction)
[09:46:50] <rjdave> retracile: how do you do that?
[09:47:43] <retracile> rjdave: there's a setting in trac.ini...
[09:47:52] <retracile> @wiki TracIni
[09:47:52] <evil_twin> retracile: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracIni
[09:47:57] <rjdave> retracile: ok, i'll check it out
[09:48:23] <retracile> [timeline] changeset_show_files
[10:01:03] <rjdave> retracile: that doesn't allow you to click the files though... they're not links
[10:03:20] <DNis> does someone use a reminder for the tickets on trac ??
[10:03:27] <DNis> which one ?
[10:03:43] <DNis> for trac 0.10.3
[10:04:31] <rjdave> retracile: [changeset] max_diff_files = 1 works Only show's the diffs if you have only one file changed
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[10:06:08] <rjdave> otherwise it only gives you the links
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[10:09:21] <alect> lo coderanger
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[10:09:41] <coderanger_> alect: Yo
[10:09:49] <alect> pycon!
[10:09:53] <coderanger_> Sitting in Philly waiting for my flight to DFW :)
[10:11:04] <alect> nice :)
[10:11:10] <asmodai> Pffft.
[10:11:12] <alect> imminent nerdfest
[10:11:15] <asmodai> Conference bimbos.
[10:11:32] <asmodai> *real* hackers don't leave their homes!
[10:11:40] <alect> hehe
[10:11:45] <alect> jealous? :)
[10:11:55] <coderanger_> The bed sores were getting too bad ;-)
[10:11:56] <asmodai> Not at all. I go to work daily so ergo I ain't a real hacker.
[10:12:12] <alect> heh
[10:12:12] <asmodai> coderanger_: Hahah, but not from mere sleeping in them oh nooo.
[10:12:18] * asmodai had the craziest weekend
[10:13:36] <Federico2> how can I download the webadmin source code using svn?
[10:14:16] <coderanger_> @wiki WebAdmin
[10:14:16] <evil_twin> coderanger_: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WebAdmin
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[10:14:24] <coderanger_> Should be 2nd or so paragraph
[10:15:03] * pacopablo is rushing to finish work stuff before he leaves for the airport at 3:00 pm PST
[10:15:12] <pacopablo> PYCON!
[10:15:39] <alect> asmodai: what happened? cool stuff?
[10:15:55] <alect> paco: what time are you arriving here?
[10:16:02] <pacopablo> early ;)
[10:16:10] <alect> my mobile is working btw
[10:16:15] <pacopablo> o-dark-thirty
[10:16:24] <alect> good lord
[10:16:30] <pacopablo> but I plan on being at the hotel around 7 am
[10:16:35] <alect> ok cool :)
[10:16:49] <coderanger_> pacopablo: how long a flight is it?
[10:17:07] <coderanger_> Its only 6 hours Albany -> DFW
[10:17:32] <pacopablo> well, direct, or round about?
[10:17:44] <coderanger_> one stop in Philly (where I am now)
[10:18:03] <alect> the marriot is waaaaaaaay nicer than where i'm sytaying
[10:18:13] <pacopablo> I leave portland or at 530 pm and get in DFW at 1am
[10:18:18] <alect> wish i'd gotten off my arse and booked earlier
[10:18:34] <alect> curse my procrastinating arse
[10:18:42] <pacopablo> alect: of course, you're staying at a best western :)
[10:18:58] <pacopablo> may be western, but there is definitely nothing best about it ;)
[10:19:10] <alect> i'm going to move with any luck
[10:19:22] <alect> assuming they can get me a reasonable rate at the marriot
[10:19:46] <rjdave> is there an easy way to rename a trac project?
[10:20:04] <coderanger_> rjdave: What do you mean
[10:20:10] <pacopablo> rjdave: change the name in the ini file ;)
[10:20:39] <coderanger_> Or, if you are doing a TracEnvParentDir thang, mv oldname newname
[10:21:34] <rjdave> ok.. I'll try it.
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[10:26:23] <asmodai> alect: 2 females on different days, one fainting, et cetera.
[10:27:00] <omry> I remember something about an adsense plugin, but I can't find it in trac-hacks...
[10:27:06] <alect> 2 females...? :)
[10:27:41] <coderanger_> @wiki TracInterfaceCustomization
[10:27:41] <evil_twin> coderanger_: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInterfaceCustomization
[10:27:45] <coderanger_> omry: Look there
[10:27:54] <omry> thanks.
[10:28:25] <caitriona> How would I go about getting "depends" and "blocks" links between tickets?
[10:28:37] <caitriona> Is there an existing plugin that provides that?
[10:28:37] <coderanger_> caitriona: MasterTickets plugin
[10:28:47] <caitriona> ahh. thanks.
[10:28:51] <coderanger_> Which I should probably push to trac-hacks at some point
[10:28:59] <coderanger_> In fact, lemme go do that now :P
[10:29:03] <caitriona> oh, it's not on trac hacks?
[10:29:11] <coderanger_> It will be shortly
[10:29:15] <caitriona> no wonder I didn't find it.
[10:29:17] <caitriona> thanks :)
[10:29:44] <coderanger_> Its still somewhat experimental, but seems okay so far
[10:30:13] <remiss> hmm.. how can I find out if a user is logged in in the clearsilver templates?
[10:30:36] <coderanger_> remiss: <?cs if:trac.authname != 'anonymous' ?>
[10:30:49] <remiss> cool, thanks
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[10:35:16] <coderanger_> caitriona: Okay, check trac-hacks
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