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February 24, 2007

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[00:15:46] <alect> done
[00:15:49] <alect> fast too
[00:22:23] <asmodai> alect: Hush
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[01:42:09] <rgl> hello
[01:42:32] <cboos> hi
[01:43:05] <rgl> is there a macro/something that allows one to make wiki page relashionships, like, "parent page", "next page", "related pages"?
[01:43:49] <cboos> a few things are close to that
[01:45:12] <cboos> in 0.11, you can easily get a link to the parent page [.. see upper level], sibling pages [../OtherTopic], sub-pages [./Child]
[01:45:50] <cboos> on trachacks, there's also a plugin which does and a bit more for 0.10
[01:46:17] <cboos> mh, trachacks seems to be down right now
[01:46:51] <rgl> organize stuff using nested pages, instead of flat ones?
[01:47:19] <cboos> yeah, we try to make that easier
[01:47:42] <cboos> I'll give you a few links, wait...
[01:48:15] <rgl> is there a macro for generating the toc os nested pages? :)
[01:48:44] <cboos> that's on the todo list ;-)
[01:49:18] <cboos> @ticket 4654
[01:49:18] <evil_twin> cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4654
[01:49:48] <cboos> there's also this more general one:
[01:49:56] <cboos> @ticket 4507
[01:49:56] <evil_twin> cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4507
[01:50:13] <cboos> and for automatic parent link, see
[01:50:16] <cboos> @ticket 2150
[01:50:17] <evil_twin> cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2150
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[01:50:53] <cboos> rgl: if you have additional requirements/ideas don't hesitate to comment on the above tickets
[01:51:30] <rgl> cool, thx for the links :)
[02:00:06] <rgl> cboos, its this one you were talking about: http://www.trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracNav ?
[02:00:34] <cboos> no
[02:01:44] <cboos> it was a plugin written by coderanger
[02:01:56] <rgl> now you'll have to tell me which one :)
[02:02:03] <rgl> ah ok. I'll search :D
[02:02:07] <cboos> yeah, I'm looking ;)
[02:03:01] <cboos> http://www.trac-hacks.org/wiki/HierWikiPlugin
[02:04:20] <cboos> the ParentWiki is obsoleted in 0.11 by the use of [.. parent] (also [../.. grand-parent])
[02:04:53] <cboos> and TitleIndex hopefully will be able to do what the SubWiki macro does
[02:05:15] <cboos> but those macros are quite useful in the meantime for 0.10
[02:07:06] <rgl> indeed, that plugin seem nice.
[02:07:12] <rgl> thxxx :D
[02:07:36] <cboos> + don't forget to thxz coderanger when you see him ;)
[02:08:27] <rgl> :D
[02:08:32] <rgl> coderanger, thhxxxxxx :)
[02:09:01] <rgl> humm, the roadmap for 0.11 seems juice :)
[02:11:04] <cboos> was it updated already since yesterday?
[02:11:13] <cboos> yep
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[04:10:33] <cboos> cmlenz: online?
[04:11:53] <cboos> forget it, it's ok now (got temporarily a "could not connect to server (https://svn.edgewall.org)" while committing)
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[06:02:19] <PauloEE> hello. What is the best way for displaying images in wiki? At the moment I am uploading images through 'Attach File' Button and then I use [[Image]] macro.
[06:09:06] <thatch> that's a reasonable method. You could also put them on the web or in your VC system and use the image macro
[06:09:54] <thatch> PauloEE: I've used that before. The only downside is it doesn't seem conducive to caching them images... when they're huge I put them somewhere served by Apache and reference them.
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[06:11:15] <itrebal> I'm trying to install Trac on my debian system, and it apears to be all setup properly ,but I get an error: "PythonHandler trac.web.modpython_frontend: ImportError: No module named web"
[06:12:08] <thatch> itrebal: what version of Trac did you get? Is it the one available on Debian?
[06:12:16] <itrebal> yea
[06:12:47] <PauloEE> thatch: thanks for the tip.
[06:15:11] <thatch> itrebal: just a sec. I think the handler shown in the docs is for "something recent".
[06:15:24] <itrebal> ok
[06:16:11] <itrebal> ah! I found a comment here: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracOnDebian about the error
[06:17:21] <thatch> itrebal: yes, it did change. The instruction version for you is http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracModPython?version=38
[06:17:39] <itrebal> yeathanks
[06:18:17] <thatch> itrebal: good luck. There are a bunch of features added in more recent versions too, just in case you want to upgrade to something newer :)
[06:19:55] <itrebal> thatch: I may go to backports...
[06:20:10] <itrebal> I hate how slow debian is to update :P
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[06:45:14] <Blackhex> hello everyone
[06:45:52] <Blackhex> please which plugin provides news on t-h-o?
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[06:46:51] <cboos> use the ''Plain Text'', luke!
[06:47:04] <itrebal> when I click the "login" link, it redirects me to the wiki, with no error, why?
[06:47:37] <cboos> it's apparently a mix of html(div ..) and the BlogShow macro
[06:48:48] <Blackhex> according to html page source there is NewsFlash macro too...
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[06:49:49] <cboos> hm, I don't see it, you mean on WikiStart page?
[06:49:58] <Blackhex> yes
[06:50:57] <cboos> hm, do we read the same thing? http://pastie.caboo.se/42645
[06:52:29] <Blackhex> I don't have rights to see WikiStart wiki syntax I read it from html
[06:53:01] <cboos> oh, am I priviledged on trac hacks? that's new ;-)
[06:53:34] <cboos> he, I was not even logged in ...
[06:53:54] <Blackhex> but that div wrapper provides NewFlashMacro too
[06:55:27] <Blackhex> even with css
[06:57:56] <thatch> cboos: when you get a second can I pick your brain?
[06:58:21] <itrebal> ah! hehe, I found a bug in my Trac version *chuckles*
[06:58:36] <cboos> well, yes, it's available ;-)
[06:59:41] <cboos> btw, tim, very nice picture of Guido getting his green minilaptop
[06:59:43] <thatch> itrebal: a bug in 0.8... was probably fixed a year ago
[07:00:32] <cboos> ... and for the other pictures, well, it's a bit hard to put a name on the faces for now ;-)
[07:01:08] <cboos> Ah, and I've seen this lovely Trac banner :-)
[07:01:32] <thatch> cboos: the banner is on John (pacopablo)'s laptop
[07:01:39] <thatch> the guy helping him is Alec
[07:02:03] <itrebal> thatch: hrm.. :/ I'm really confused then, because when I go to my trac site, login with a valid user it takes me to back to th previous page but I'm not logged in.. and then when I click "login" it redirects me tomy previous page
[07:02:36] <thatch> itrebal: hmm. if you shift-refresh are you logged in
[07:03:10] <thatch> cboos: my question is re: #1781. Can you elaborate on what you think we need to do -- will there be a new interface?
[07:03:15] <itrebal> thatch: nope
[07:04:29] <cboos> thatch: no, ideally we'd need only a content converter
[07:04:49] <cboos> thatch: think about the image content converter
[07:05:07] <cboos> you have the resource, but you produce a link to it
[07:05:11] <cboos> same thing here
[07:05:29] <cboos> content is the node, we produce simply an alternative link to it
[07:06:02] <cboos> but that needs part of the stuff in #3332, updated with the Context stuff
[07:06:54] <cboos> thinking about doing it progressively, you can have a look at the existing ticket content renderers (ask Alect ;-) )
[07:07:06] <cboos> and transpose that to the browser module
[07:08:17] <thatch> cboos: ok, I will when he wakes up. We talked about it at dinner last night and were all +1 on at least getting a link hacked into the browser module to close that.
[07:09:02] <cboos> thatch: what about some pics of yourself and Noah?
[07:09:35] <cboos> (picture of Noah while he's writing a new plugin, of course)
[07:10:13] <thatch> cboos: I have some pics from dinner...
[07:10:26] <cboos> ah, great, eager to see them ;)
[07:11:03] <thatch> cboos: Noah has a lot going on, wait till he announces it because I don't know if it's still secret
[07:11:49] <cboos> oh, a secret project, nice ;-)
[07:11:59] <thatch> cboos: we did request a plugin to request plugins though :)
[07:12:33] <thatch> cboos: among other things it might close #1.
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[07:12:44] <thatch> that's the secret project.... not the plugin-for-plugins
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[07:13:15] <cboos> well, you spoiled it then ;-)
[07:13:24] <Blackhex> bye...
[07:13:34] <cboos> bye!
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[07:25:06] <alect> morning
[07:27:16] <cboos> hi alect
[07:27:44] <cboos> what's the program for today?
[07:29:12] <alect> sqlalchemy, numpy
[07:29:19] <alect> then a bit of a tossup i think
[07:29:24] <alect> eggs
[07:29:30] <alect> getting $5 million from python ;)
[07:29:38] <alect> good stuff :)
[07:30:03] <alect> cboos: i was wanting to take a shot at refactoring the context stuff during the sprint, you cool with that?
[07:30:27] <cboos> how so, for the security related stuff or in general?
[07:30:32] <alect> mmm, my laptop hard disk is making an unpleasant clicking noise
[07:30:42] <alect> in general, but in preparation for the security stuff
[07:31:09] <cboos> the security branch badly needs a merge... I could do that before monday
[07:31:42] <alect> mmm, well afte rthe refactoring of ctx it will need a fair bit of rewriting
[07:32:17] <cboos> do you already have something precise in mind?
[07:32:42] <alect> yep. pretty much what we talked about the other day, with decoupling ctx from everything else
[07:32:59] <alect> so formatters would take a ctx object, rather then it having the wiki_* methods
[07:33:12] <cboos> you've noticed that I already did this, hopefully ;-)
[07:33:30] <alect> the permission cache/system would take a ctx object, rather than being in the ctx
[07:33:36] <alect> hah, no i hadn't actually ;)
[07:33:48] <alect> and href as well
[07:34:04] <alect> eg. Href.from_ctx(ctx, absolute_urls=False)
[07:34:34] <cboos> href, that's a bit more problematic, as you loose the possibility to override the method
[07:34:55] <cboos> ah ok
[07:34:57] <cboos> .href
[07:35:09] <cboos> not .resource_href
[07:35:12] <cboos> ok
[07:35:54] <thatch> oh, alect is awake!
[07:36:38] <alect> cboos: where is href/resource_href overriding being used?
[07:36:43] <alect> thatch: hi :)
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[07:36:58] <alect> need shower
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[07:37:07] <cboos> alect: well yes we could try to see how well the "which" and "how" sides of the context could be split...
[07:37:59] <cboos> alect: currently in attachment, probably for changesets in the future as well (introduction of the Revision information with path/rev in one)
[07:39:13] <cboos> alect: but take your shower first, turn off the heat, and after that we'll see if you still want to refactor the Context :-)
[07:45:05] <alect> heh
[07:45:07] <alect> yeah, definitely
[07:45:20] <thatch> my schedule is probably scaling, testing tools, lessons from django, then.. hmm eggs? dateutil, then I dunno.
[07:45:53] <thatch> alect: looks like I'll be in different sessions for at least the first half of today
[07:46:26] <alect> yeah...dunno after that
[07:46:30] <alect> not too fussed
[07:47:24] <alect> not too fussed on the talks after that
[07:47:27] <alect> i mean :)
[07:47:30] <alect> how's the keynote?
[07:47:34] <alect> didn't sound super exciting
[07:50:04] <coderanger_> alect: Eh
[07:50:27] <coderanger_> alect: Not python related for one :P
[07:53:08] <alect> yeah :\
[07:53:20] <coderanger_> Plus I think she is just wrong
[07:53:24] <alect> how's the wifi this morning?
[07:53:25] <alect> haha
[07:53:29] <alect> what's she syaing?
[07:54:11] <thatch> alect: I haven't yet had trouble with the wifi
[07:54:34] <alect> eeeeeexcellent
[07:55:02] <thatch> alect: check #pycon for what people are saying about her... generally she's giving information on how bad the american school system is, as an argument that OLPC should start with the private sector, I think? Also she hasn't defined 'elearning' yet
[07:55:29] <itrebal> thatch: any idea why I can't login?
[07:55:37] <alect> heh
[07:56:06] <itrebal> thatch: (I got it to work once, but it was weird, I could click login and then I'd be logged in, without my credentials, then logout & I'd be logged out, repeat)
[07:56:27] <thatch> itrebal: I am not familiar with what kind of issues might be available on 0.8. I haven't been around that long. coderanger?
[07:56:27] <coderanger_> itrebal: Sounds like HTTP auth caching
[07:56:32] <alect> i have had that happen a lot
[07:56:40] <alect> wifi keeps assosciating, then dropping
[07:56:42] <alect> quite annoying
[07:56:51] <thatch> everyone: he's using the version out of debian-stable
[07:57:30] * cboos self-congratules: ''Review Changes'' while editing a wiki page is amazingly useful ;-)
[07:57:34] <coderanger_> itrebal: What is your exact problem
[07:57:36] <itrebal> coderanger_: when I clear the "private data" (including auth.) then I can't login, it wont even take me to the login page
[07:58:12] <itrebal> coderanger_: the current problem is that when I click the "login" link, or type in /login, it takes me to /wiki
[07:58:17] <itrebal> (or my previously accessed page)
[07:58:36] <coderanger_> itrebal: It redirects or the URL still says /login?
[07:58:43] <itrebal> it redirects
[07:59:15] <coderanger_> Grab LiveHTTPHeaders for Fx
[07:59:23] <coderanger_> And check what response it is sending back
[07:59:26] <itrebal> ok
[08:01:26] <itrebal> hrm.. as soon as I installed live http headers, it started working.... very weird :/
[08:02:21] <coderanger_> Heh, that sounded like a browser issue, thats why I wanted to check
[08:02:32] <coderanger_> maybe the restart was enough
[08:05:06] <itrebal> yea
[08:05:17] <itrebal> thanks :)
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[08:18:48] <thatch> cboos, coderanger: have you tried running tracd w/o clearsilver?
[08:19:14] <cboos> yes, but not the very latest revs
[08:19:26] <cboos> why? is there a problem?
[08:20:10] <thatch> cboos: I'm getting a traceback in web/main.py line 488 while trying to render project index. req.hdf is not set unless it finds a clearsilver template?
[08:20:13] <itrebal> coderanger_: do you know when enscript syntax highlighting was introduced?
[08:20:35] <coderanger_> itrebal: I think it was in 0.8, but I don't really remember
[08:20:43] <itrebal> mmk
[08:20:44] <cboos> thatch: ok, I'll try to reproduce, one sec...
[08:21:28] <cboos> right
[08:21:36] <cboos> that used to work, must be very recent
[08:21:59] <thatch> I actually went to t.e.o to run annotate... but ended up laughing at myself, it's still 0.10
[08:22:14] <cboos> ;D
[08:22:18] <itrebal> hehe, and if I'm upgrading from v. 0.8.1 -> 0.10.3, is there an automated upgrade?
[08:22:22] <cboos> 0.10.3 even ...
[08:22:32] <cboos> itrebal: yes, no problem
[08:22:50] <cboos> (well, in theory ;-) )
[08:22:55] <thatch> cboos: it looks like the setuptools merge broke it.
[08:23:10] <thatch> itrebal: yes, if you don't use any wiki macros it's quite straightforward
[08:23:37] <cboos> I think it's because the index.html is not found anymore...
[08:23:55] <cboos> weird, it's still there in trac/templates ...
[08:24:39] <thatch> cboos: r4819 moved the req.hdf = bit to inside the clearsilver if. It used to be set regardless.
[08:24:57] <cboos> ok
[08:25:32] <thatch> cboos: I guess if req.hdf isn't required anymore then we just need to make line 488 conditional.
[08:25:38] <cboos> so let's do the same for the project assignement
[08:25:40] <cboos> right
[08:25:51] <cboos> 488?
[08:26:07] <thatch> line 512 is actually the one I hit, but 488 is also an issue.
[08:26:13] <cboos> ah, yes that one as well
[08:26:15] <thatch> 2957 cmlenz req.hdf[key] = val
[08:26:30] <thatch> and the one I hit...
[08:26:31] <thatch> 2015 mgood req.hdf['projects'] = projects
[08:26:40] <thatch> those are revs, not lines.
[08:28:24] <cboos> (btw, I'm fixing it)
[08:28:56] <itrebal> no beans on going to Backports
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[08:29:50] <thatch> cboos: ok, go for it, I'll wait
[08:30:20] <cboos> won't be long ;)
[08:31:49] <cboos> http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/4825
[08:32:01] <cboos> hope the fix was not /too/ quick, aka buggy ;)
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[08:32:36] <jwiles> how many of you guys are at PyCon?
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[08:33:18] <cboos> lots! thatch, coderanger, alect, pacopablo, retracile ... not me :-(
[08:33:59] <jwiles> ok. cool. i was at the BOAF last night and wanted to tie nicks to faces
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[08:37:25] <thatch> jwiles: coderanger is the one with the cool beard and master tickets. pacopablo was the one at the front. alect is the Australian, and mgood is the one in the back. retracile is Eli, towards the front left in the BoF, who we keep bugging about workflow, I was in front of alect.
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[08:46:16] <alect> lo cmlenz
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[08:53:09] <cboos> thatch: are you describing a new picture? I haven't seen that one...
[08:55:16] <thatch> cboos: this was at the BoF
[08:55:42] <jwiles> thatch: cool. i was the guy who asked about master tickets and better wiki parsing.
[08:58:06] <thatch> jwiles: in the back?
[08:58:12] <thatch> cboos: I'll have a picture ready in a bit...
[08:58:20] <cboos> cool ;-)
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[09:05:17] <alect> paco: http://swapoff.org/files/irclogs-plugin-pacopablo.tar.gz
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[09:06:14] <dsch04> Afternoon all.
[09:06:27] <dsch04> I'm install trac-11dev for the first time.
[09:06:33] <dsch04> GOt a few questions.
[09:06:57] <dsch04> I've read the release notes: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/ReleaseNotes/0.11
[09:07:44] <dsch04> I'm not clear about the global trac.ini
[09:08:42] <dsch04> The example given is:
[09:08:42] <dsch04> [inherit]
[09:08:42] <dsch04> plugins_dir = /etc/trac/plugins/
[09:08:43] <dsch04> templates_dir = /etc/trac/templates/
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[09:10:17] <dsch04> So, even in the global trac.ini, I use an [inherit] block ?
[09:10:27] <coderanger_> dsch04: That stuff is brand new
[09:10:43] <coderanger_> Probably no one by cmlenz knows much about it :P
[09:10:55] <coderanger_> er, no one but
[09:10:57] <dsch04> Ah, so perhaps not a good idea to deploy in production?
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[09:11:07] <coderanger_> Hell no
[09:11:21] <dsch04> Heh, OK. Back to 0.10.4 then.
[09:11:25] <coderanger_> Do you ever use development versions of software in production?
[09:11:38] <dsch04> Yeah, quite a lot.
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[09:11:54] <coderanger_> You like living dangerously ;-)
[09:11:57] <dsch04> For small values of "production" :)
[09:15:39] <cmlenz> dsch04: yeah, that's how it's supposed to work... have you tried it and it doesn't?
[09:16:05] <dsch04> No, just trying familiarising.
[09:16:12] <dsch04> er, just familiarising myself with it
[09:16:25] <jodok> cboos, coderanger: here's the fix for my yesterdays emailfilter.py / non-utf8 problem: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4835
[09:16:47] <dsch04> I've had second thoughts and am sticking with 0.10.4 for now.
[09:16:52] <dsch04> At least, for my clients production site
[09:17:35] <cboos> cmlenz: isn't that [trac] instead of [inherit] for the templates_dir and plugins_dir options?
[09:17:48] <dsch04> That was what I was getting to.
[09:17:54] <cboos> when I saw it, thought it was a typo...
[09:18:04] * ^BuGs^ has joined #trac
[09:18:06] <cboos> forgot to mention it until now ;)
[09:18:27] <dsch04> And then, the release notes say:
[09:18:28] <dsch04> # The [trac] base_url setting is now mandatory for generating correct URLs outside the context of a user request.
[09:18:28] <dsch04> # The [trac] templates_dir setting is considered harmful... You probably need to remove that setting when you browse Trac and get the following plain text error:
[09:18:55] <cboos> ok, the "[trac] templates_dir setting is considered harmful" part can probably be removed
[09:19:01] <cboos> or nuanced now
[09:19:41] <dsch04> Is there an "easy_uninstall" command?
[09:19:55] <cboos> rm -fr ? ;-)
[09:19:56] <dsch04> Or do I just remove the .egg file and dir?
[09:20:18] <cboos> probably remove the entry in the easy_install.pth as well
[09:20:24] <dsch04> Do I need to fixup the ... hah!
[09:20:51] <cmlenz> [trac] templates_dir is basically a different thing
[09:20:52] <cboos> but I'm not a setuptools wizard, so maybe there's an uninstall command
[09:20:58] <cmlenz> not sure it still works, even
[09:21:07] <cmlenz> there's no uninstall so far
[09:21:45] <cboos> ok, so it was not a typo... the templates_dir should really be in [inherit] section
[09:21:56] <cboos> hm
[09:22:12] <cmlenz> yeah, but the naming is likely to change, I'm not happy with it :-P
[09:22:49] <cmlenz> [inherit] templates_dir sets an additional dir in between the builtin templates and the environment templates... i.e. it does not replace the builtin ones
[09:23:20] <cmlenz> it's where you'd put a global site.html file, for example
[09:23:28] <cmlenz> s/global/shared
[09:23:55] <cboos> I think we shouldn't encourage /replacing/ builtin templates anymore, so in that way this is good
[09:24:25] <cboos> why not [share] then ?
[09:24:26] <dsch04> Is there any LDAP integration in 0.11 ?
[09:24:41] <thatch> dsch04: I think there's an ldap auth plugin...
[09:24:46] <coderanger_> dsch04: No, its a plugin
[09:24:47] <dsch04> There is.
[09:24:59] <dsch04> Was just wondering if it's got into mainstream yet.
[09:25:02] <dsch04> Like webadmin
[09:25:11] <coderanger_> I don't remember if there is an auth plugin, but there is stuff for perms
[09:25:18] <coderanger_> I can pacakge my auth plugin if needed
[09:25:24] <coderanger_> and no, it won't go into mainstream
[09:25:31] <dsch04> Why ?
[09:25:37] <coderanger_> building pyldap is a pain :P
[09:25:41] <dsch04> heh
[09:26:06] <cboos> jodok: the fix you contributed on #4835 should probably be reported on trac-hacks
[09:26:18] <coderanger_> Also the entire point of a plugin system is make it so things don't need to be in the main system
[09:26:59] <dsch04> I'm happy with plugins, but there's no reason plugins can't be included in the main distribution.
[09:27:36] <coderanger_> Sure there is
[09:27:41] <dsch04> I think LDAP integration is a core issue.
[09:27:47] <coderanger_> it would be a maintenance nightmare
[09:27:50] <coderanger_> It isnt
[09:28:04] <dsch04> You're thinking from a coder's perspective.
[09:28:07] <coderanger_> Plugins that should be bundled are things like 99% of users would need
[09:28:17] <dsch04> I'm talking from a user-perspective.
[09:28:31] <kevc> dsch04: not that many people use ldap
[09:28:36] <kevc> it's fairly niche
[09:28:39] <coderanger_> dsch04: Most projects don't need LDAP
[09:28:46] <dsch04> With trac? That's because it's a PITA. :p
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