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March 08, 2007

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[01:18:06] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: SandBox edited by anonymous2 <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SandBox>
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[01:48:16] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4911 (defect created): JavaScript on some ticket form elements not working in Opera 9.10 <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4911>
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[02:03:38] <Macca> trac is using crazy american dates and i want proper dates. how do i fix that? (it's using mm/dd/yy, i want dd/mm/yy)
[02:04:08] <coderanger> @wiki TracFaq
[02:04:08] <evil_twin> coderanger: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracFaq
[02:04:23] <coderanger> Python (and therefore Trac) uses your system locale
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[02:06:26] <Macca> ya
[02:06:27] <Macca> ta
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[02:48:34] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4912 (task closed): Query for accepted tickets only (ambiguous) <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4912#comment:1> || Ticket #4912 (task created): Query for accepted tickets only (ambiguous) <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4912>
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[03:18:42] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4914 (defect created): Internal Server Error with mod_python <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4914> || Ticket #4913 (defect closed): Document how global trac.ini works <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4913#comment:1> || Ticket #4913 (defect created): Document how global trac.ini works <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4913>
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[03:48:52] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4914 (defect closed): Internal Server Error with mod_python <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4914#comment:1> || Ticket #4915 (task created): google summer of code proposal <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4915>
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[04:52:56] <DocTomoe> Hi ... I seem unable to get trac to work as an apache2 vhost. I followed http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracModPython, but all I got was a DirectoryListing and no lousy t-shirt. My vhost configuration is at http://pastebin.ca/386149 (please forgive the double linenubering). Obviously, I did something wrong. Anyone willing to give a helping hand?
[04:53:27] <coderanger> Location is a path in URL space
[04:53:31] <coderanger> not a file system path
[04:53:47] <DocTomoe> ok, so / then?
[04:53:57] <coderanger> If thats what you want
[04:53:59] <DocTomoe> what about pythonOption then?
[04:54:17] <coderanger> TracEnv is the file system path to the Trac environment you made with trac-admin initenv
[04:54:28] <coderanger> TracUriRoot should be the same as the Location
[04:54:57] <DocTomoe> ok. this seems ok
[04:57:42] <DocTomoe> hm, now it throws 500-errors, stating "trac.web.modpython_frontend: ValueError: TracUriRoot set to /home/martin/persofile but request URL is /" in the errorlog
[05:00:58] <DocTomoe> ah, now it does something. Thanks for the cluebrick :)
[05:01:07] <coderanger> Then you didn't change TracUriRoot ;-)
[05:02:32] <DocTomoe> I seem to have it working :)
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[05:20:55] * TinoW is reading the code and wonders how to easily fetch log data with python-subversion
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[05:23:22] <coderanger> You don't
[05:23:31] <coderanger> The SWIG bindings are anything but easy
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[05:28:27] <TinoW> coderanger: yes it boldly seems so ;)
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[05:28:52] <coderanger> I would recommend getting the data via the Trac wrappers
[05:29:04] <coderanger> for logs that will have the added bonus of transparent caching
[05:29:17] <TinoW> coderanger: I'm missing a starting point. I cannot use much of the C examples because I have no idea from where I get the structures
[05:29:46] <coderanger> What are you trying to do?
[05:29:52] <TinoW> coderanger: ah yes, but I doubt I can use it easily in my pre/post commit scripts
[05:30:43] <TinoW> but I dont like the current setup with lounching svn commands and putting into env variables
[05:30:53] <coderanger> TinoW: in a hook script you use svnlook
[05:31:05] <TinoW> coderanger: but I dont want to use svnlook ;)
[05:31:09] <coderanger> TinoW: Why not?
[05:31:43] <TinoW> coderanger: when I call a python script I would rather do it all in the python script. I dont trust the proper escaping in the shell script either
[05:32:03] <coderanger> Why would it ever hit the shell?
[05:32:08] <coderanger> You call the program directly
[05:32:53] <TinoW> coderanger: ok, thats another posibility. But I'd rather do it all in python code and use popen only as last resort ;)
[05:33:10] <coderanger> TinoW: Then why not use the Trac wrappers?
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[05:33:39] <TinoW> coderanger: another thing that bugs me is tracs unability to use remote repositories... from what I understand it should be quite similar
[05:33:42] <Xif> Hi. I wanted to inquire about the state of support for Markdown and Textile in Trac?
[05:33:47] <TinoW> coderanger: can I? How? :-)
[05:34:11] <Xif> Specifically, how well are they supported?
[05:34:14] <TinoW> coderanger: just importing my trac environment?
[05:34:41] <coderanger> TinoW: from trac.env import Environment
[05:34:53] <coderanger> Environment(blah).get_repository()
[05:35:20] <coderanger> Xif: There is a trivial (i.e. doesn't support TracLinks) Markdown implementation in a ticket somewhere
[05:35:28] <coderanger> Don't think there is support for Textile
[05:35:49] <Xif> coderanger: yeah, I've seen that Ticket, doesn't look like a good way to embed Markdown.
[05:36:05] <coderanger> Xif: Basically the only other markup with good support is ReST
[05:36:19] <coderanger> Since it has provisions for being embedded in this fashion
[05:36:33] <Xif> coderanger: actually, Textile seems to be as well-supported as ReST:
[05:36:34] <Xif> https://trac.seekingalpha.com/wiki/WikiProcessors
[05:36:53] <Xif> specifically: https://trac.seekingalpha.com/wiki/WikiProcessors#AvailableProcessors
[05:37:30] <coderanger> Xif: You can try it, but the question is do you need support for TracLinks
[05:38:04] <Xif> coderanger: it seems that Textile, exactly like ReST, is available as a "processor", so if ReST and raw html work with TracLinks, I guess Textile would work too.
[05:38:15] <Xif> and since Textile > ReST, I'd rather use it :P
[05:39:05] <coderanger> Xif: No, they are very different
[05:39:23] <coderanger> see trac.mimeview.rst and trac.mimeview.txtl
[05:39:40] <TinoW> coderanger: thnx, I will try :)
[05:39:50] <Xif> coderanger: is there a simple test I can run to see?
[05:40:03] <Xif> (I already have a Trac instance running)
[05:40:05] <coderanger> Textile markup is just handed off to the textile module for formatting, and the resultant HTML is used
[05:40:24] <coderanger> ReST actually has callbacks to allow for trac:: as a link node type
[05:40:46] <coderanger> TinoW: BTW, Trac does support remote repos, to the degree that they can be supported ATM
[05:49:27] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracTermsSv edited by dayzleaper@poweruser.se <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTermsSv>
[06:00:54] <Xif> coderanger: do you have a URL for installing the necessary library so the Textile support would work?
[06:01:27] <coderanger> easy_install textile
[06:02:07] <Xif> thanks
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[06:10:06] <Beret> anyone awake yet?
[06:10:17] <coderanger> Indeed
[06:11:32] <Beret> figures
[06:11:33] <Beret> I ask that and then I find the problem
[06:11:41] <Beret> but thanks for being around and good morning :)
[06:11:45] <Beret> or good day depending on where you are in the world
[06:12:35] <coderanger> 9AM here, very thoroughly morning
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[06:19:36] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #1809 (defect closed): Component field on ticket keeps resetting itself <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1809#comment:1> || Ticket #1557 (defect closed): Database "locked" when attaching large files <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1557#comment:1>
[06:21:07] <TinoW> coderanger: but it does not follow external declarations?
[06:22:19] <coderanger> TinoW: You mean svn:externals?
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[06:31:40] <asmodai> so here I was writing some python code that was printing HTML stuff. and then I wondered, why ain't I use genshi?
[06:32:08] <idnar> heehee
[06:32:42] <asmodai> Silly me.
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[06:41:44] <coderanger> Working in ASP.NET is so hard after using Trac and Genshi
[06:42:36] <asmodai> coderanger: I can understand.
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[06:44:04] <asmodai> mmm, unbound prefix
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[06:44:10] * asmodai wonders why
[06:47:30] <asmodai> <py:for each="entry in entries">
[06:47:33] <asmodai> <tr><td>${entry}</td></tr> </py:for>
[06:47:39] <asmodai> Am I being blind here?
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[06:49:05] <coderanger> Did you define the py namespace?
[06:49:43] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4594 (enhancement closed): < and > operators in query language <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4594#comment:1> || Ticket #4916 (enhancement closed): Specify percentage complete for a task <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4916#comment:1> || Ticket #2047 (enhancement closed): Add tar, tar.gz, and tar.bz2 formats in addition to zip for changesets... <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2047#comment:2> || Ticket #4916 (enhancement created): Specify percentage complete for a task <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4916> || Ticket #2161 (enhancement closed): Prevent accidental double submissions for new tickets <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2161#comment:1> || Ticket #2370 (enhancement closed): Virtual hosts <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2370#comment:2> || Ticket #1271 (enhancement closed): [patch] Resync handles changeset intervals <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1271#comment:24> || Ticket #1506 (enhancement closed): Make UI tool for admin for resyncing log comments <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1506#comment:6>
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[06:50:52] <asmodai> coderanger: Ah, that's obvious then. *checks* 's what you get for reusing older templates
[06:54:14] <asmodai> coderanger: Right, *sigh*
[06:54:23] * asmodai wonders where his mind is lately
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[07:19:51] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #3255 (enhancement closed): Context-sensitive new ticket prefill <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3255#comment:3> || TracEnvironment edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracEnvironment> || Ticket #4917 (enhancement closed): time estimate per ticket <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4917#comment:2> || Ticket #4917 (enhancement created): time estimate per ticket <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4917>
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[07:28:33] <asmodai> coderanger: ok, how on earth did I get, in one statement, a list of dicts printed? got a list entries, which has per entry a dict with key 'file', want to get it done with the py:for and I am not seeing the simplest way. Using two py:fors doesn't help processing time.
[07:29:04] <coderanger> Say that a little slower
[07:29:18] <coderanger> [{'file': x}, ...]
[07:29:27] <coderanger> you want x?
[07:30:22] <asmodai> yes
[07:30:33] <coderanger> <ul><li py:for="a in mylist">${a['file']}</li></ul>
[07:30:44] * asmodai smacks himself
[07:30:45] <asmodai> DUH
[07:30:57] <asmodai> Now I feel simplistic for not seeing that.
[07:31:44] <coderanger> Gotta live up to my title as guru ;-)
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[07:32:48] <coderanger> mmm
[07:33:00] <coderanger> baguettes in the country are generally awful
[07:33:05] <coderanger> er, in this
[07:33:07] <asmodai> This is French.
[07:33:19] <asmodai> have to bake it off at home
[07:33:30] <coderanger> I know, just wishing you could them like that here ;-)
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[07:34:24] <asmodai> *nods*
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[07:51:14] <liamMT> I'm having a little trouble setting up the authentications on a new Trac install - I'm following the docs at http://dev.makingthings.com/wiki/TracCgi#AddingAuthentication but am hoping to set it up so that access is generally anonymous until Trac asks for some authentication - thought I'd be able to do that following here http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch06s04.html#svn-ch-6-sect-4.4.2 at Example 6.3 but it doesn't seem to like that too m
[07:51:45] <liamMT> I get a "Internal Error Authentication information not available." from Trac when I try to login
[07:52:08] <coderanger> @wiki TracFaq
[07:52:08] <evil_twin> coderanger: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracFaq
[07:52:34] <coderanger> You need force HTTP auth on the /login path
[07:58:37] <liamMT> ok, I see - thanks :) Will this be compatible with the AccountManager Plugin? Or are there other considerations to take into account?
[07:59:17] <coderanger> What do you mean?
[07:59:37] <coderanger> AccountManager can (optionally) use its own form-based system for getting login info
[08:00:23] <liamMT> I guess I'll just worry about that when I get to it, as I'm not sure what the right questions to ask are at this point :)
[08:01:48] <coderanger> Well do you want to use HTTP auth, or form auth
[08:03:19] <liamMT> well, once the AccountManager is in place I was thinking form auth would pretty much be the only one that makes sense...is there a way to automate the creation of new http auths?
[08:04:11] <coderanger> http and form-based are just frontends
[08:04:21] <coderanger> both can use things like htpasswd for the backend
[08:04:48] <coderanger> you can also mix n' match, use AccountManager registration with Apache htpasswd auth for example
[08:05:42] <liamMT> that sounds like that would work just fine for me :)
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[08:22:05] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracEnvironment edited by mark.m.mcmahon@gmail.com <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracEnvironment> || Ticket #3053 (defect closed): favicon in rssfeed broken <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3053#comment:1>
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[09:20:56] <pacopablo> moring vatos
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[09:21:20] <shawn_work> Is the new QA/workflow merged into trac yet?
[09:21:26] <pacopablo> no
[09:21:26] <shawn_work> or backported to the 10.x releases?
[09:21:37] <shawn_work> any eta?
[09:21:41] <pacopablo> it's still in development in the sandbox
[09:21:45] <pacopablo> shawn_work: rsn
[09:22:03] <shawn_work> but even when it is merged, there will not be a release with it yet
[09:22:24] <pacopablo> shawn_work: it will go into the 0.11 release
[09:22:35] * shawn_work looks for the 0.11 timeframe
[09:22:38] <coderanger> It won't be backported, unless Eli goes crazy or something
[09:22:47] <pacopablo> basically, 0.11 will be released sometime after workflow is finished
[09:22:51] <coderanger> shawn_work: Look for an early beta in the next month or so
[09:22:59] <shawn_work> thats good :)
[09:23:16] <coderanger> final release is still probably at ~6-8 months
[09:23:34] * pacopablo hopes closer to 6
[09:23:36] <pacopablo> or less
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[09:25:29] <shawn_work> hmm
[09:25:52] <shawn_work> we'll have to bite the bullet and stick with 0.10.3 for now then
[09:30:16] <retracile> Yeah, i'm not planning on back-porting to 0.10-stable...
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[09:42:50] <alect> hi
[09:43:36] <thatch> yo alec.
[09:43:46] <alect> hey tim
[09:43:48] <alect> hi jonas
[09:44:03] <retracile> greetings alect.
[09:44:38] <jborg> hello
[09:44:50] <alect> lo eli
[09:45:05] <coderanger> jborg: You're alive! :)
[09:45:38] <jborg> Yeah, I guess so ;)
[09:49:30] <pacopablo> morning alect, thatch, jborg
[09:50:30] <asmodai> morning alect
[09:50:35] <asmodai> wow and jborg
[09:50:47] <jborg> heh
[09:50:58] <thatch> has anyone seen cmlenz or mgood around recently?
[09:51:09] <asmodai> matt_good was on earlier IIRC
[09:51:21] <jborg> I have to release 0.10.3.1 today, a security release *sigh*
[09:51:25] <asmodai> cmlenz a few days ago
[09:52:31] <jborg> Anyone here that's able to help me build the win32 installer?
[09:52:47] <asmodai> Depends on what you need for it.
[09:52:48] <pacopablo> jborg: what security hole?
[09:52:56] <asmodai> pacopablo: The one on your live system.
[09:52:58] <asmodai> }:)
[09:54:04] <pacopablo> asmodai: which hole on my live system? I've got so many I lose track ;)
[09:54:07] <jborg> two different XSS vulnerabilites (one is IE only)
[09:54:15] <pacopablo> yummy
[09:54:16] <jborg> See, http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/4946
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[10:18:50] <cboos> howdy
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[10:23:50] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #1859 (defect closed): FastCGI frontend outputs a blank line to stderr on every request <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1859#comment:4> || Changeset [4949]: Preparing to release trac-0.10.3.1 <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/4949> || Ticket #4903 (defect closed): Diggs and Lula link in the THANKS page gives 404 <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4903#comment:4> || Changeset [4948]: remove broken link to picture of Diggs and Lula (fixes #4903) <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/4948> || Changeset [4947]: Creating 0.10.3.1 tag/branch. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/4947>
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[10:54:47] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: SandBox edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SandBox> || TracDownload edited by jonas <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDownload>
[11:04:04] <alect> lo cboos
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[11:24:58] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [4950]: Ported [4946] to trunk. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/4950> || ChangeLog edited by jonas <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/ChangeLog>
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[12:00:32] <matt_good> alect: do you know if there's a place to file change requests for GoogleGroups?
[12:00:52] <matt_good> I thought Gmail had one, but I don't see it for GoogleGroups
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[12:02:36] <alect> i can log an internal bug if you like
[12:02:42] <alect> bug/feature request
[12:02:58] <alect> http://groups.google.com/support/bin/request.py
[12:04:28] <matt_good> alect: yeah, I wanted to file a suggestion about having a simple 1-click way to report a message as spam, ban the user and remove the message
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[12:06:41] <alect> that sounds exceptionally useful
[12:06:48] <alect> ^^ is that link good enough?
[12:06:57] <matt_good> yeah, I'll submit something
[12:09:02] <alect> how many new legitimate subscribers do we get?
[12:09:24] <asmodai> matt_good: and you want to call it 'smite'?
[12:09:43] <matt_good> asmodai: :)
[12:12:41] <matt_good> alect: I don't know, I haven't been watching
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[12:16:56] <alect> ok
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[12:28:25] <matt_good> looks like 45 people since the beginning of the month
[12:29:11] <nick_fn> Has anyone seen a trac plugin that shows mailing list archives?
[12:29:22] <alect> nope
[12:29:37] <retracile> matt_good: since the beginning of March?
[12:29:40] <coderanger> DrProject has one that I really want to port
[12:29:50] <nick_fn> also - is there a simple way to add a new (remote) link to the navigation 'tabs'? Or should I write a small plugin to do that?
[12:29:57] <matt_good> the past 100 registrations averages to 5/day
[12:30:08] <coderanger> nick_fn: NavAddPlugin
[12:30:14] <nick_fn> thanks coderanger
[12:30:21] <matt_good> retracile: yeah
[12:31:48] <nick_fn> coderanger: I see their mail plugin, thanks for the pointer
[12:32:02] <coderanger> nick_fn: DrProject plugins won't work in Trac
[12:32:30] <nick_fn> coderanger: ok, something for me to study, though
[12:32:47] <coderanger> nick_fn: Beware, they use Kid ;-)
[12:33:06] <nick_fn> instead of Geneshi?
[12:33:10] <coderanger> Yeah
[12:33:17] <coderanger> DrProject forked off a while ago
[12:33:24] <coderanger> I want to say 2 years or so
[12:33:32] <nick_fn> I see. oh, long while ago...
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[12:34:38] <nick_fn> our navigation bar has way too many items on already; you have to scroll sideways to see them all. What is the normal solution ? writing a theme that shows them differently?
[12:35:28] <coderanger> You can use the NavMover or NavHider to juggle things
[12:35:59] <nick_fn> I was just reading about NavMover, but I do what them _all_ shown, just maybe on two lines
[12:36:20] <coderanger> That will require a fair bit of template hacking
[12:36:58] <nick_fn> ok
[12:37:21] <coderanger> You could hide a bunch of related ones
[12:37:43] <coderanger> and then add a new button pointing to a wiki page, with links to the grouped items
[12:38:01] <nick_fn> interesting idea
[12:38:34] <nick_fn> I've asked someone to do some work to see if they can improve it, so if they don't get anywhere then we'll look at that instead
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[13:55:39] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracUsers edited by sy@koredesign.com <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracUsers>
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[14:31:54] <WebMaven> Hello. I am getting an odd error when I try and init a trac environment:
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[14:32:22] <WebMaven> from trac.core import TracError
[14:32:22] <