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March 13, 2007

[00:15:55] <cboos> alect / matt_good : about the "Reporter:" field in new tickets, I think it should be possible to be able to actually set it to a different value than the reporter
[00:16:16] <cboos> that was requested several times, and IIRC there's an open ticket about that
[00:16:52] <cboos> (I have a fix that does that, currently testing)
[00:17:28] <alect> i thought that was possible already
[00:17:36] <alect> the field shows up for me when i'm admin
[00:17:50] <cboos> yes, but changes there are not taken into account
[00:17:55] <alect> ah
[00:21:33] <cboos> ok, looks like everything works
[00:22:35] <matt_good> cboos: but isn't that something we "fixed" so that people *couldn't* file tickets under someone else's name?
[00:23:08] <cboos> well, the feedback has rather been on the opposite direction
[00:23:24] <cboos> (i.e. that we should re-add the feature)
[00:23:36] <matt_good> but if we change it back people will complain again
[00:23:54] <cboos> no, as it doesn't really address the problem that you could masquerade as someone else anyway...
[00:24:18] <matt_good> huh?
[00:24:20] <cboos> i.e. it only prevented "logged in" people to report tickets on behalf of someone else
[00:24:29] <cboos> anonymous could still enter anything
[00:24:36] <cboos> (the name of a logged in user for example)
[00:24:49] <cboos> the real solution for the problem is discussed in #1890
[00:25:08] <cboos> and imply that we display the "logged in" or "authenticate" info
[00:25:38] <jhulten> One thing I have seen in other systems is a priveledge to limit who can enter stuff for others.
[00:25:54] <jhulten> You see that more in help desk software though.
[00:26:33] <cboos> exactly, Trac is used in this setup as well
[00:26:57] <matt_good> cboos: but that's not really the primary platform
[00:27:36] <matt_good> we at least need to maintain a record of who actually entered the ticket
[00:28:02] <jhulten> A comment perhaps?
[00:29:06] <jhulten> "Ticket entered on behalf of John Doe <jdoe@example.com> by Mike Smith <msmith@trachelpdesk.org>"
[00:29:29] <matt_good> the could just add a custom field for it
[00:29:34] <matt_good> s/the/they
[00:29:50] <cboos> matt_good: well, I don't see why we should make the situation harder for logged in users than for anonymous users
[00:30:16] <cboos> but you're right, when we implement #1890,
[00:30:16] <jhulten> I can also see a can see a case in our shop where a PM might pull comments from many users and create tickets for the ones that get approved for a change.
[00:30:54] <cboos> we should make clear that the declared reporter was not "logged in", even if the actual reporter is authenticated
[00:31:08] <cboos> (but that will probably imply a data model change)
[00:31:38] <cboos> so right now, I'd say that we should remove this somewhat useless restriction
[00:32:47] <cboos> (and it's just for ticket creation, not for the comments)
[00:33:25] <matt_good> cboos: well, I need to go to bed, but post s/t on the ML for discussion
[00:33:31] <cboos> i.e. the "on behalf" I'm talking about is just for the "reporter" field that is editable anyway right now (only the edit is not taken into account)
[00:33:39] <cboos> so it looks more like a bug than anything else
[00:34:25] <cboos> no, it's just a quick fix, if you want to raise the subject on the ML, you're welcome to do so
[00:59:09] <cboos> I've summarized the rationale for the change in the corresponding ticket:
[00:59:11] <cboos> @ticket 4069
[00:59:11] <evil_twin> cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4069
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[01:06:29] <didier> hi
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[01:11:23] <didier> is there a way to have all the comments of the commit when the timeline is displayed ?
[01:14:08] <cboos> yep
[01:14:10] <cboos> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracIni#timeline-section
[01:14:17] <cboos> changeset_long_messages
[01:19:38] <didier> cboos: I have "changeset_long_messages = true" in my trac.ini file but the message is truncated apparently ...
[01:20:06] <cboos> which Trac version?
[01:20:39] <didier> 0.9.6
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[01:22:05] <didier> cboos: timeline from http://trac.edgewall.org/ have truncated messages too
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[01:22:22] <cboos> that's only supported in 0.10
[01:22:32] <cboos> and t.e.o doesn't use that option
[01:22:40] <didier> cboos: ok I understand
[01:23:08] <didier> cboos: I asked my admin to update to the last trac's version :)
[01:23:24] <cboos> 0.9.6 is the last of the 0.9.x serie ;-)
[01:23:33] <cboos> then you have 0.10.3.1
[01:23:44] <cboos> and 0.11dev, trunk
[01:23:50] <eth01> when ive installed trac where can i access it?
[01:23:54] <eth01> port 8000 ?
[01:24:13] <cboos> didier: and even 0.10.4dev of course ;-)
[01:24:51] <didier> cboos: we will update to 0.10.3.1 I think
[01:25:00] <cboos> safe bet ;-)
[01:25:10] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4941 (defect created): [4982] breaks title attributes <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4941> || Ticket #4069 (defect closed): Ability to create a ticket on behalf of someone else (population of Reporter field) when logged in <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4069#comment:11> || Ticket #4069 (defect reopened): Ability to create a ticket on behalf of someone else (population of Reporter field) when logged in <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4069#comment:10>
[01:25:12] <cboos> 0.10.4 should be out soon
[01:25:27] <cboos> It only lacks a bit of testing on the user side...
[01:25:37] <cboos> (hint hint)
[01:26:23] <didier> cboos: is it a question of days or weeks ?
[01:26:43] <cboos> well, probably weeks (1 or 2 I hope)
[01:33:44] <didier> cboos: ok
[01:34:32] <eth01> when ive installed trac where can i access it?
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[01:54:56] <cboos> eth01: sorry, didn't notice earlier.. what kind of installation? using mod_python, tracd... ?
[01:55:59] <cboos> alect: still there?
[01:57:33] <eth01> yes
[01:57:43] <eth01> im using ports with subversion on freebsd ports
[01:57:47] <eth01> yer. lol
[01:57:57] <eth01> trac on ports *
[01:59:35] <cboos> eth01: well well, that doesn't tell me much... probably there's something relevant in the wiki, have you looked already?
[01:59:59] <eth01> yes. im just wondering where will i be able to access it via url?
[02:00:05] <eth01> http://domain/trac ?
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[02:01:01] <eth01> Trac 0.10.3.1
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[02:03:32] <cboos> @wiki TracOnFreeBsd
[02:03:32] <evil_twin> cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracOnFreeBsd
[02:04:20] <eth01> ya its asking for my path to my project well what do i do there?
[02:04:24] <eth01> just create an directory
[02:07:17] <cboos> eth01: AFAICT, the ports install doesn't do much, you still have to go through the "regular" install process
[02:07:30] <cboos> @wiki TracInstall
[02:07:30] <evil_twin> cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInstall
[02:07:41] <cboos> and for your question about creating the project dir, see
[02:07:46] <cboos> @wiki TracEnvironment
[02:07:46] <evil_twin> cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracEnvironment
[02:07:48] <eth01> Thank you for choosing Trac 0.10.3.1. Enjoy your stay!
[02:08:07] <eth01> its installed alright
[02:08:22] <cboos> eth01: well, that means you have at least successfully created the trac environment,
[02:08:36] <eth01> yup.
[02:08:37] <cboos> now you have to configure a server for it
[02:08:42] <cboos> either mod_python, see
[02:08:42] <eth01> with tracd... etc
[02:08:47] <cboos> ah
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[02:08:59] <cboos> for tracd, see
[02:09:05] <cboos> @wiki TracStandalone
[02:09:05] <evil_twin> cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracStandalone
[02:09:08] <eth01> PySQLite 2 (SQLite 3)
[02:09:11] <eth01> im using that ^^
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[02:09:18] <cboos> eth01: that's ok
[02:09:25] <eth01> cool
[02:09:40] <cboos> alect: ? ping !
[02:09:47] <eth01> ok well ive done that :) .... i dont have a path to my project so can i just create an path ?
[02:10:30] <cboos> you /need/ to specify a new directory when creating a new environment
[02:11:10] <cboos> when you have it created at some place, specify that path when running tracd
[02:11:47] <cboos> i.e. trac-admin /srv/trac initenv
[02:11:50] <cboos> blah blah
[02:11:52] <eth01> ok
[02:11:54] <eth01> ;)
[02:12:09] <cboos> then tracd /srv/trac -p 8000 (if you want port 8000 ;) )
[02:12:54] <eth01> yep ok thanks
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[02:31:01] <FreezeS> cboos: I tried using initenv with parameters... couldn't make it work
[02:31:10] <FreezeS> is there some documentation and examples ?
[02:31:51] <cboos> trac-admin help initenv
[02:32:13] <cboos> hm...
[02:32:47] <cboos> doesn't filter for me
[02:32:58] <eth01> damn trac is taking ages to load
[02:33:08] <cboos> maybe a 0.11 issue... anyway:
[02:33:12] <cboos> FreezeS: initenv <projectname> <db> <repostype> <repospath> <templatepath>
[02:33:35] <eth01> it just sticks on the run command
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[02:33:42] <eth01> tracd -p 8080 /trac1/tracenv
[02:34:22] <cboos> well, you should try to access the site ;-)
[02:34:28] <eth01> i have ;)
[02:34:30] <eth01> doesnt load
[02:34:36] <cboos> I have it ;-)
[02:34:47] <cboos> but there's another error:
[02:34:54] <cboos> [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/trac1/tracenv/VERSION')
[02:34:55] <eth01> o.0
[02:35:02] <eth01> heh that does exist
[02:35:07] <eth01> its in the root directory
[02:35:08] <cboos> which suggests that /trac1/tracenv is not a proper environment
[02:35:41] <cboos> well, simply pass the absolute path to tracd
[02:35:42] <eth01> how you accessing it cboos: ?
[02:35:48] <eth01> yer
[02:36:17] <eth01> maybe i need to make
[02:36:22] <eth01> "VERSION"
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[03:03:50] <hsn_> i have question about creating custom reports. I figured that i need to create SQL query but where this query should be placed? somewhere in .ini or trac directory?
[03:10:09] <cboos> hsn_: you need the REPORT_CREATE permission, then you can create new reports (from the view reports page)
[03:10:16] <cboos> or copy an existing report
[03:12:59] * asmodai pats cboos
[03:13:46] <asmodai> cboos: wrt bugzilla2trac.py - want to, but aside from illnesses my mind is lately totally burnt out I think. Can't concentrate shit.
[03:14:05] <cboos> ah, great that you mention it
[03:14:23] <cboos> I remembered having hinted you at something but couldn't remember what ;-)
[03:15:42] <asmodai> the script
[03:15:58] <cboos> yeah, now I can see ;-)
[03:15:59] <asmodai> But I cannot even get myself motivated for my own pet projects, let alone concentrate.
[03:16:20] <cboos> too much IRC? Googling?
[03:17:02] <cboos> internet can damage your health
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[03:23:27] <asmodai> cboos: nah, burnt out I think
[03:27:08] <techie_> how can I sync my trac environment with fresh svn checkout of trac?
[03:27:17] <cboos> no need
[03:27:23] <cboos> (assuming you have 0.10)
[03:27:36] <techie_> u have trunk =)
[03:27:39] <techie_> i have
[03:28:05] <cboos> you might want to do: trac-admin <yourenv> wiki upgrade
[03:28:11] <cboos> but that's all
[03:28:17] <cboos> no database change so far
[03:29:26] <techie_> aha, and it will modify all the pages or only those that left unmodified?
[03:29:43] <cboos> let me check...
[03:30:13] <cboos> it won't touch WikiStart
[03:30:32] <cboos> and will only create InterMapTxt if it's not already there
[03:30:45] <cboos> but the other page will be upgraded, even if modified
[03:31:09] <cboos> (you'll still have your change in previous versions, of course, so you could do a manual merge)
[03:31:36] <cboos> but this is only about the default set of wiki page, i.e. the docs, so better have the latest version, I think
[03:34:32] <techie_> ok. and how can I do the manual merge and how can I know the pages I need to review?
[03:34:38] <techie_> just curious
[03:35:10] <cboos> after the upgrade, you'll see the pages that have changed in the timeline
[03:35:23] <cboos> (as for normal edits)
[03:35:42] <techie_> gr8, 10x ! =)
[03:35:43] <cboos> then look at the diffs, and check that none of your content was removed
[03:57:50] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4933 (defect closed): UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4933#comment:4>
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[04:27:59] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4933 (defect closed): UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4933#comment:6> || Ticket #4933 (defect reopened): UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4933#comment:5>
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[04:58:07] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: SandBox edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SandBox>
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[05:14:37] <Marlun> Is Trac not located at /usr/share/trac/ anymore? I just installed 0.11dev.
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[05:15:31] <cboos> Trac is located where you install it...
[05:15:46] <cboos> and now all the templates, htdocs are _within_ the package itself
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[05:16:09] <cboos> so if you simply do: python setup.py install
[05:16:26] <cboos> then you'll have to look below .../site-packages/trac
[05:16:59] <cboos> of course, those are the source templates, and you're not supposed to modify /those/
[05:17:29] <cboos> you can specify an alternate location for your templates (and htdocs) in trac.ini
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[05:20:12] <Marlun> I wanted to find the global trac.ini =)
[05:20:51] <cboos> you have to specify it explicitly in your trac.ini
[05:20:56] <cboos> [inherit]
[05:21:02] <cboos> file = /etc/trac.ini
[05:21:04] <cboos> for example
[05:21:41] <cboos> see http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/ReleaseNotes/0.11#Setuptoolsisnowusedforthepackaging
[05:23:49] <Marlun> I don't get it. I have to edit trac.ini to set where I can find trac.ini?
[05:24:36] <cboos> you have to edit $TRAC_ENV/conf/trac.ini so that this environment can use your /global/ trac.ini
[05:24:37] <Marlun> or is there one trac.ini for trac itself and in it you set a path to a global trac.ini for all the trac-enviorments?
[05:24:46] <cboos> yes ;-)
[05:24:46] <Marlun> oh
[05:25:08] <cboos> the joy of asynchronous communication ;-)
[05:25:16] <Marlun> hehe
[05:26:19] <cboos> actually, re-reading what you wrote, it was not exactly correct, so I shouldn't have said "yes"
[05:26:53] <cboos> each trac environment has to specify which trac.ini it inherits from ... but I guess you got it by now ;-)
[05:28:18] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4944 (enhancement created): Fulltext commit comments <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4944>
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[05:33:54] <Marlun> cboos: yeah I meant something else when I wrote that but from what you said I understand how it was. So I guess I should have said something too :P However, now everything is working nicely =)
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[05:35:27] <cboos> Marlun: great, so why not stress test a bit your brand new 0.11dev install, and make a few bug reports when you get in trouble...
[05:36:05] <cboos> some testing feedback would be great
[05:40:44] <eth01> hmm i start my tracd... but it just sticks there and doesnt do anything im running it on freebsd
[05:41:37] <cboos> ... it's not supposed to dance around, you know...
[05:48:25] <FreezeS> how can I make apache supply the proper TracEnv variable for all the projects ?
[05:48:33] <FreezeS> I have them all in d:\NewTrac
[05:48:51] <FreezeS> and I don't want to add a different <location> directive to Apache for each project
[05:49:21] <FreezeS> it's installed as apache_mod_python
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[06:02:42] <Marlun> FreezeS: I've got all of my tracenv in /var/tra and I've got this in my apache conf: PythonOption TracEnvParentDir /var/trac
[06:04:25] <FreezeS> Marlun: so, for example, if you have ProjectA in /var/tra/ProjectA and you go to http://server/ProjectA, does it work ?
[06:10:20] <Marlun> I've got it so I have to go to http://server/trac/ProjectA
[06:10:46] <Marlun> If I go to http://server/trac/ I get a list of all the available trac enviorments.
[06:11:11] <FreezeS> solved it :)
[06:11:19] <FreezeS> didn't read the whole documentation
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[06:28:35] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4945 (defect created): TypeError: can't compare datetime.datetime to NoneType <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4945>
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[06:58:44] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4945 (defect closed): TypeError: can't compare datetime.datetime to NoneType <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4945#comment:1>
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[07:28:37] <mad_lord> hello
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[07:48:06] <mad_lord> hello all
[07:48:10] <cboos> retracile: "On to deeper stuff in WorkFlow..."
[07:48:28] <retracile> cboos: Yep.
[07:48:32] <cboos> retracile: what about merging first? ;-)
[07:49:01] <mad_lord> when i try to install the plugin TracThemeEngine it tries to access the url http://www.python.org/pypi/TracWebAdmin/
[07:49:07] <retracile> alect merged the ticket-preview branch (I don't have commit access to trunk)
[07:49:08] <mad_lord> but this url was not found
[07:49:24] <cboos> no, the latest changes from trunk (including ticket-preview) merged into workflow ...
[07:49:26] <mad_lord> so, someone may tell me what to do to solve this? thank you all
[07:50:02] <retracile> cboos: Yeah, that's what I was about to start.... and clean up the work into logical steps too.
[07:50:14] <cboos> ok, fine then ;-)
[07:52:03] <retracile> At the moment, I like workflow-experiment better than workflow; but I still don't like the looks of the .ini config.
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[07:53:08] <cboos> well, I didn't have time yet for that, but I'm sure there must be a way
[07:53:31] <cboos> to make the workflow.ini readable and clear
[07:53:56] <retracile> I think it can be improved, but I'm not sure it'll get very "readable and clear"
[07:55:57] <retracile> I find I'm relying more on the output from contrib/workflow_parser.py + graphviz to read the configuration.
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[07:59:03] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4946 (defect created): Can't create an account... <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4946> || Changeset [4991]: WorkFlow: Remove the ticket-preview branch since it has been merged. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/4991>
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[08:01:11] <joel> HELP
[08:01:32] <joel> need assistance with installing trac 10.3.1 --
[08:12:15] <mitsuhiko> joel: traceback?
[08:12:33] <joel> i'm new at this.. what's '
[08:12:38] <joel> traceback?
[08:13:46] <retracile> joel: Just describe the problem you're running into...
[08:14:10] <joel> ah.. ok..!
[08:15:42] <joel> insatalled svn and trac -- when I try to access "trac-admin" to initinaze the system - i get error messages saying it's not recognized as an internal or external program or batch file.
[08:15:57] <joel> the file name is "trac-admin" withOUT the .py extension.
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[08:16:47] <joel> and the path to my python25/scripts folde is in my system statement.
[08:17:50] <retracile> joel: What OS/distribution?
[08:18:02] <joel> WinXP PRO.
[08:18:45] <Beret> this is driving me nuts
[08:19:21] <retracile> joel: Oh, then I'll bow out and hope someone else can help. Sorry. :/
[08:19:43] <retracile> @wiki TracOnWindows
[08:19:43] <evil_twin> retracile: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracOnWindows
[08:20:18] <retracile> joel, if you haven't read that page, it might help.
[08:20:18] <joel> oh.. i'll try that.. Thank (for now!)
[08:20:52] <Beret> anyone know why /newticket?type=defect wouldn't work
[08:20:57] <Beret> it appears that ?type=defect is ignored
[08:21:16] <Beret> nothing is showing up in debug log
[08:21:27] <Beret> other than Dispatching <Request "GET /newticket">
[08:21:31] <Beret> no reference to the argument
[08:23:04] <retracile> Beret: What version of trac?
[08:23:27] <Beret> 0.11dev
[08:23:51] <Beret> specifically revision 4587
[08:24:41] <retracile> 4_5_87, or 4_9_87?
[08:24:57] <Beret> 4587
[08:25:13] <Beret> was that an issue with this particular revision?
[08:25:21] <Beret> I wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking something or doing something wrong
[08:26:02] <retracile> Beret: I don't know if it was, but trunk is at rev 4992 now...
[08:26:26] <Beret> yeah, so you're saying upgrade and then yell if it doesn't work ;-)
[08:26:43] <Beret> c'est la vie
[08:30:43] <retracile> Well.....
[08:30:50] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [4992]: WorkFlow: Mark workflow_parser executable. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/4992> || Ticket #4946 (defect closed): Can't create an account... <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4946#comment:1>
[08:31:54] <retracile> Ahhh.... I see.
[08:32:04] <retracile> Beret: Use field_type=
[08:32:54] <retracile> But I think that's worth filing a ticket for.... I don't think that should have changed.
[08:34:21] <Beret> ah that was it
[08:34:32] <Beret> thanks
[08:36:38] <retracile> Beret: Do file a ticket though... that's an API change that I think needs to be fixed. It was introduced in r4387
[08:36:48] <Beret> ok will do
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[08:41:55] <Beret> retracile, filed
[08:42:06] <Beret> #4947
[08:42:07] <retracile> Beret: ticket number?
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[08:42:34] <Beret> http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4947
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[10:01:33] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [4994]: WorkFlow: Clean up added trailing whitespace. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/4994>
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[10:57:31] <boorad> pacopabl1, coderanger: embedded forums for wiki page comments... http://www.dsource.org/projects/tango/wiki/Sandbox
[11:03:50] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: VersioningSystemBackend edited by wacky@bourget.cc <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/VersioningSystemBackend> || TracTermsJa edited by trac-ja@i-act.co.jp <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTermsJa>
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[11:05:24] <WhiteHat_OR> does anyone know much about the custom query interface in 10.x? I'm trying to figure out what fields I can order by and can't seem to find anything in the wiki page
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[11:12:59] <corresponder> hi
[11:13:14] <corresponder> some 64studio user around?
[11:16:21] <corresponder> am i able to use a 64studio kernel on my debian etch system?
[11:16:38] <corresponder> did someone know the apt source for that?
[11:17:20] <misc> i think you are on the wrong chan
[11:17:25] <corresponder> k
[11:17:27] <corresponder> sry