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March 16, 2007

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[01:20:39] <columbo> is there wikiformatting that links to the head revision of one file?
[01:21:34] <columbo> nm got it.
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[02:28:48] <Gasolin_> hello?
[02:31:35] <Gasolin_> I wonder to use trac as some kind of simple CMS, I want to know if trac support multiple level privilige page protection?
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[02:34:07] <misc> i doubt
[02:38:59] <techie_> how can I add alias for already set REMOTE_USER?
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[02:49:40] <asmodai> alect: If I land this new job I get a good chance of pushing Trac in-house. ^^
[02:51:16] <techie_> I have a lot of users authenticated using domain account via SSPI and I want to get them nicknames. Is that possible without patching C:\DevServer\Installed\Python24\Lib\site-packages\trac\web\modpython_frontend.py ? I just need to rewrite REMOTE_USER environment variable before it will be used by Trac.
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[03:12:00] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4957 (enhancement created): Add "last modified" field to the Custom Query <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4957>
[03:24:07] <m_g> does one of you have any reasonable idea why notifications work in one project but not in the other which has exactly the same notification configuration on the same server?
[03:35:12] <kopernikus> m_g, do you share the notification settings from /usr/share/trac/conf/trac.ini?
[03:35:42] <m_g> kopernikus, no, both have their own trac.ini
[03:36:53] <kopernikus> well, if you set loglevel to DEBUG, you'll see quite a bit of info wrt notification in the log
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[03:40:29] <m_g> guess that's the only way to find out something, but i seriously doubt it will tell me something useful :)
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[03:42:12] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [5056]: Ticket preview: enhance the look of the comment/change preview <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5056> || Ticket #4957 (enhancement closed): Add "last modified" field to the Custom Query <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4957#comment:1>
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[03:47:19] <techie_> Is it possible to make Trac ignore some directories in its "Available Projects" page?
[03:48:50] <m_g> you could modify /usr/share/trac/templates/index.cs with some if statements
[03:51:50] <techie_> k, I'll try. I've added Trac environment to config management SVN and now Trac complains about .svn directory without version info.
[03:56:04] <cboos> techie_: it's also something I wanted to do ... what about a .tracignore file in the directories that should be ignored?
[03:59:36] <techie_> cboos: and what are alternatives? trac.ignore file in environment root?
[04:04:00] <techie_> what if .svn or some other program would complain about unknown .tracignore file in their dir?
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[04:04:57] <techie_> but .tracignore is ok for me
[04:06:08] <techie_> there shouldn't be much third-party stuff in environment directory - the only 90% likely files there are that of from version control systems
[04:06:19] <techie_> so .tracignore is ok
[04:08:01] <cboos> techie_: well, the scenario I'm thinking of is e.g. a /srv/trac folder containing only trac environments,
[04:08:12] <cboos> and for some reason you don't want to list some of them
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[04:08:41] <cboos> or there's a subfolder containing other stuff, like an "old" or "Attic" folder containing old environments
[04:09:02] <cboos> if you don't want to see that "old" or "Attic" folder, just put a .tracignore file there...
[04:09:24] <cboos> but I think your scenario was more like this:
[04:09:53] <cboos> rgiht?
[04:09:55] <cboos> /project/trac1, /project/svn1, /project/trac2, /project/svn2 etc...
[04:10:02] <cboos> right?
[04:10:36] <cboos> then, having to put a .tracignore file in /project/svn1 and /project/svn2 would indeed be problematic...
[04:11:54] <cboos> so it makes perhaps more sense to have a .tracignore file in the parent folder, /project/.tracignore, and that would contain glob patterns of stuff to ignore
[04:12:26] <cboos> in my scenario, it would contain, "old\nAttic\n"
[04:12:44] <cboos> in the other scenario, it could contain "svn*\n"
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[04:29:48] <Marlun> I don't get it, I had to reinstall my server and I installed trac exactly as I did a couple of days ago but now when I click "Login" I get this error: UndefinedError: "login_error" not defined
[04:30:22] <Marlun> I've installed 0.11dev and the Account Manager Plugin from trunk.
[04:31:16] <cboos> trunk from today?
[04:31:23] <Marlun> yes
[04:31:29] <cboos> i.e. rev >= 5054 ?
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[04:32:09] <cboos> Marlun: svn up -r5053
[04:32:35] <cboos> there's just too much breakage now due to the latest Genshi change
[04:32:56] <cboos> ah yes, so also revert your genshi trunk to -r509
[04:32:56] <Marlun> I got 5056
[04:34:36] <Marlun> How do I revert Genshi? I installed it using easy_install.
[04:34:57] <Marlun> I reverted the trac source and reinstalled.
[04:35:07] <cboos> ah... I don't know, maybe you can specify the revision with easy_install...
[04:35:18] <cboos> simplest is to install from the repos
[04:35:43] <cboos> svn co -r 509 http://svn.edgewall.org/repos/genshi/trunk genshi
[04:35:55] <cboos> and then "python setup.py install" from there
[04:36:39] <cboos> or try: easy_install http://svn.edgewall.org/repos/genshi/trunk#egg=Genshi-0.4dev-r509
[04:37:11] <cboos> (i just copied the syntax from matt's example, not tried myself)
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[04:37:59] <Marlun> I used the repos way and now everything seems to work again =)
[04:38:24] <cboos> well, wait a few days until you have the "go" from here ;-)
[04:38:25] <Marlun> Will write those revision numbers down if something bad happends again :P
[04:38:30] <Marlun> hehe yeah
[04:38:53] <cboos> I'll note them in the 0.11 milestone page
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[05:00:48] <techie_> cboos: sorry, was afk. yes, I think it is a good idea to have .tracignore file in root directory with projects
[05:02:16] <asmodai> cboosje
[05:03:07] <techie_> but just for consistency maybe name the file like trac.htpasswd i.e. trac.ignore ?
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[05:11:40] <coderanger> asmodai: ::slap:: ;-)
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[05:15:06] <asmodai> hahaha
[05:15:12] <asmodai> coderanger: But seriously? ;)
[05:15:35] <coderanger> asmodai: I responded already saying I'm going to see about that after Eli is done
[05:15:41] <coderanger> Along with TicketDelete
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[05:17:03] <prologic> coderanger, ping
[05:17:08] <coderanger> yo
[05:17:13] <prologic> ahh hi :)
[05:17:18] <prologic> about xmlrpc plugin
[05:17:21] <prologic> know much about it ?
[05:17:33] <coderanger> A fair bit
[05:17:47] <prologic> good :)
[05:18:15] <prologic> problem: I don't like spam, and thus have most of my projects and trac wikis tied wodn to form-based authencation
[05:18:34] <prologic> however, this makes xmlrpc unusable (atm at least, unless I've configured something incorrectly)
[05:18:36] <coderanger> Using AccountManager?
[05:18:42] <prologic> yeap
[05:18:48] <coderanger> HttpAuth plugin
[05:18:56] <prologic> ahh
[05:18:59] <prologic> installing this will ?
[05:19:13] <prologic> for a while I was trying this
[05:19:14] <prologic> http://paste.lisp.org/display/38230
[05:19:17] <prologic> which can't be done :/
[05:19:18] <kopernikus> prologic, it's all on the wiki page for xmlrpc on trac-hacks.org
[05:19:26] <prologic> but they tell me it will be added in apache 3.0 :)
[05:19:30] <kopernikus> prologic, it just works with httpAuth plugin
[05:19:46] <prologic> ok
[05:19:54] <prologic> I shall install it :)
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[05:28:54] <prologic> has anyone attempted to make a compeltely console driven trac interface ?
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[05:33:04] <coderanger> prologic: Not that I know of
[05:33:55] <prologic> good :)
[05:33:58] <prologic> cuase I'm writing one
[05:34:23] <prologic> freature requests welcome now :)
[05:34:47] <coderanger> Most people don't quite have your need for such a thing ;-)
[05:35:04] <prologic> true
[05:35:37] <prologic> however I'll bet closing a ticket ralted to some commit on the console be nice
[05:35:48] <prologic> although - yes I'm aware of hook scripts to do this
[05:35:51] <prologic> and have used them :)
[05:36:16] <prologic> I need to try and get the gitplugin further developed too - the author hasn't done anything in a while :/
[05:36:31] <prologic> I had an email convo with him some time ago, but it seems he's very busy
[05:36:38] <coderanger> prologic: One will probably be written by the end of the summer
[05:36:49] <coderanger> Gitweb is a PITA
[05:37:34] <prologic> yeah it is
[05:37:38] <prologic> GitWeb is orrible :)
[05:37:43] <prologic> and uesless
[05:37:49] <prologic> though useful by itself
[05:38:34] <asmodai> coderanger: Yeah, sorry, only just saw the email
[05:47:00] <coderanger> asmodai: But other than that, what else is needed ;-)
[06:00:33] * asmodai should move his ass and finish this TicketDelete rewrite by now
[06:00:59] <coderanger> asmodai: I wouldn't bother
[06:01:13] <coderanger> For 0.11 its going to be a workflow-based plugin
[06:01:41] <coderanger> Hopefully for 0.11.1 (i.e. once the API has been made somewhat stable) hopefully itl go in core
[06:01:44] <asmodai> oh
[06:02:12] <asmodai> I was pondering this morning, also in light of my possible new job, how hard it would be to create from Trac and incident management system
[06:02:38] <coderanger> Eli already made a basic version for whole-ticket deletion as an example
[06:02:58] <coderanger> asmodai: Helpdesk style?
[06:03:21] <asmodai> coderanger: Yeah, sort of. Was thinking in ITIL terms for change and incident management.
[06:04:07] <coderanger> I keep thinking about trying that here. Then I remember the insane political battle that would be needed to replace our current "ticket system" and go and do something else.
[06:06:46] <asmodai> coderanger: If I land this job I will have to separate development and incident stuff.
[06:06:54] <asmodai> And I get to implement it all from scratch
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[06:37:15] <prologic> well
[06:37:19] <prologic> editpage works nicely :)
[06:37:25] <prologic> primitive - but nice
[06:38:10] <prologic> are there any syntax highlighters for wiki / :)
[06:38:29] <prologic> err for vim
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[06:44:08] <coderanger> prologic: Well pygments has a console tool
[06:44:14] <coderanger> Not sure if you can integrate that
[06:46:11] <cboos> coderanger: hello
[06:46:22] <cboos> guess what I'm going to ask you ;-)
[06:46:31] <coderanger> cboos: More logs?
[06:46:38] <cboos> bingo! ;-)
[06:46:48] <cboos> my daily batch of trac-hacks logs ;-)
[06:47:17] <coderanger> How far back do you need?
[06:47:39] <cboos> well, starting after what you already sent me
[06:47:44] <prologic> coderanger, no I mean a syntax file for trac's wiki
[06:47:45] <prologic> for vim :)
[06:48:03] <coderanger> cboos: What did I send you up to then?
[06:48:20] <cboos> well, I think I throw it away :-(
[06:48:27] <coderanger> heh
[06:48:32] <cboos> but 24 h back should od
[06:48:37] <cboos> do
[06:48:40] <coderanger> roger
[06:48:53] <cboos> no, christian here
[06:48:56] <cboos> :-)
[06:51:01] <coderanger> http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~kantrn/log.gz
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[06:56:24] <cboos> coderanger: thanks, downloaded
[06:56:28] <techie_> prologic: what kind of highlight do you need? I can make one for colorer.
[06:57:38] <prologic> it's ok :)
[06:57:41] <prologic> I stole moinmoin's one
[06:57:47] <prologic> since trac's wiki is basedo nit
[06:58:23] <prologic> thing is, if I write a console version of trac, I doubt there'll be many that'll use it :)
[06:58:29] <techie_> ok. I wonder if it is possible to rename users in sub... yes, using hook scripts! Bingo!
[06:58:33] <prologic> least I'm already finding it useful
[07:01:49] <techie_> prologic: in that case maybe it is better to maintain wiki pages in restructured text? at least it is more readable in console
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[07:03:11] <cboos> damn, it happened again
[07:03:26] <cboos> (the spurious resync)
[07:03:34] <prologic> umm
[07:03:40] <prologic> actually I don't like ReST at all :)
[07:03:48] <prologic> guess I'm too used to wiki
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[07:11:47] <shruggar> trying a fresh install of 0.10.3.1, I get the error "ImportError: No module named trac.web". I am using Apache and have SetEnv PYTHONPATH to [my prefix]/lib/python2.4/site-packages
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[07:12:24] <shruggar> [I was previously on 0.8.4 using python2.3. That install, on the same box, is working]
[07:12:25] <cboos> shruggar: use the PythonPath directive instead
[07:12:32] <cboos> see
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[07:12:41] <cboos> @wiki TracModPython
[07:12:41] <evil_twin> cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracModPython
[07:12:56] <cboos> and more specifically http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracModPython#SettingthePythonPath
[07:14:29] <asmodai> mmm
[07:14:32] <asmodai> this is curious
[07:14:51] * asmodai wonders if he did something wrong or if Python has a buglet
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[07:15:32] <cboos> hello retracile
[07:15:44] <asmodai> prologic: I typically use reST to quickly get a document up and running and then I use the HTML with my own stylesheet to build on.
[07:15:54] <retracile> Hey cboos. :)
[07:16:14] <cboos> the workflow stuff is getting there, as I see ;-)
[07:16:27] <asmodai> ok
[07:16:29] <retracile> :)
[07:16:32] <asmodai> this is curious with python 2.5
[07:16:52] <asmodai> Got two japanese strings: '\xe9\xa0\x91\xe5\xbc\xb5\xe3\x82\x8b' and '\xe5\x88\x86\xe3\x81\x8b\xe3\x82\x8b'
[07:17:07] <asmodai> I strip off 'ru' in hiragana, which is '\xe3\x82\x8b'
[07:17:15] <retracile> cboos: you mentioned something about priorities or something yesterday. What was that?
[07:17:18] <asmodai> (using rstrip()))
[07:17:32] <asmodai> And I end up with: '\xe9\xa0\x91\xe5\xbc\xb5' and '\xe5\x88\x86\xe3\x81'
[07:17:53] <asmodai> It stripped off a \x8b too much on the last.
[07:17:57] <cboos> asmodai: use unicode ...
[07:18:10] <cboos> retracile: well, what was the context?
[07:18:12] <asmodai> cboos: Ya, but it makes me wonder.
[07:18:40] <retracile> cboos: erm.... state changes that did not have a "leave" action.
[07:18:53] <asmodai> cboos: but yea, using u'' solved that issue.
[07:20:21] <cboos> retracile: hm, no, I don't remember.
[07:20:42] <cboos> When I reviewed the code this morning, I had a few additional ideas
[07:20:47] <cboos> I think we could create a workflow subdir in /contrib as well as in /sample-plugins
[07:20:51] <prologic> I prefer to write documentation with trac :)
[07:21:18] <retracile> cboos: Here it is in the logs: http://pacopablo.com/irclogs/2007/03/15#T09:57:58
[07:21:58] <cboos> ah yes, that was one counter-example
[07:22:31] <cboos> retracile: so you said there could be a "dormant" state where any modification would make it go out of this state,
[07:23:07] <cboos> and I said "well, you could simply do a change like change the priority from 'low' to 'lowest' and say "sleep some more..."
[07:23:20] <cboos> then it should obviously stay "dormant" in that case ;-)
[07:24:10] <retracile> cboos: Ah, ok, I follow that. However, I do want to support a workflow that has a state without a "leave" action.
[07:24:56] <retracile> cboos: I may not have a /really/ good example case, but I don't want to eliminate the capability.
[07:25:04] <cboos> well, why not, though I can't think of a practical example
[07:25:22] <cboos> maybe add a way to /remove/ action?
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[07:25:56] <cboos> like: dormant.forbid = leave
[07:26:18] <cboos> so you could still have leave: * -> *
[07:26:33] <cboos> for the general case
[07:27:26] <cboos> so back to my additional ideas.. .the "operations" could be provided by plugins, don't you think?
[07:28:13] <cboos> so you could easily "inject" new side effects / triggers in an existing workflow, simply by adding a new action
[07:29:03] <cboos> e.g. close.operations = backup_ticket
[07:29:26] <cboos> and write small plugin that would provide the callback for that operation
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[07:38:31] <retracile> cboos: Yeah, plugins providing operations would be nice.
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[07:45:17] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracModWSGI edited by Manuzhai <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracModWSGI>
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[07:48:15] <shruggar> where can I find an explanation of the arguments to initenv?
[07:50:22] <coderanger> shruggar: Its the same as the interactive version
[07:52:22] <retracile> cboos: On the other hand.... have you looked at the CodeReview sample plugin?
[07:55:47] <retracile> cboos: Ok, there are now workflow subdirs under contrib and sample-plugins
[08:00:18] <shruggar> anyone know about getting python2.4 bindings for svn on debian?
[08:04:06] <coderanger> shruggar: Look for subversion-python or python-subversion
[08:04:14] <coderanger> (but not pysvn)
[08:05:02] <shruggar> ack, apt-cache search wasn't sorted
[08:05:30] <shruggar> do you know if it's backwards-compatable with python2.3-subversion? (will my existing install break?)
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[08:08:58] <coderanger> shruggar: No, all C extensions are major-version specific
[08:10:30] <shruggar> that is to say: "no, it won't break; yes, it is backwards-compatible"
[08:11:46] <joel> Hi.. anyone have problems getting the trac WebAdmin pluin to work? I'm using WinXP-Pro, Python 2.4.3, Trac 10.3.1 and enabled it in the trac.ini. I gave myself permissions, I believe I've set up everything correctly. When I login - I don't see any new tabs.
[08:12:00] <coderanger> No, python2.3-subversion will not work with Python 2.4
[08:12:17] <shruggar> that's not what I was asking
[08:12:18] <coderanger> joel: Check the log (on DEBUG)
[08:13:12] <coderanger> Do you see it loading the egg
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[08:14:06] <shruggar> I mean: will python2.4-subversion work with an install of trac built with python2.3, or do I need to re-install trac?
[08:14:28] <joel> CR - yes I loaed the egg, as described here: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4895#comment:7
[08:14:33] <coderanger> shruggar: Yes, the API is all the same
[08:14:57] <coderanger> joel: No, do you see a message in the log saying "loading webadmin.<something> from <somewhere>
[08:16:30] <cboos> retracile: yeah, had a closer look at the way operations are handled, so forget about what I said ;-)
[08:17:11] <retracile> cboos: I may have a way to do it afterall... I've got an experiment up my sleeve. ;)
[08:17:54] <cboos> well, sure if you actually come with a good use case. My backup_ticket one was wrong (because of the 'no side-effect' rule)
[08:18:14] <cboos> now, on the quest to have readable workflow in trac.ini, I think it's very important to make clear what's an "action" and what's a "state"
[08:18:22] <cboos> for example, in opensource-workflow, you have:
[08:18:29] <cboos> needinfo_new = new -> needinfo_new
[08:18:44] <retracile> Ah, yeah, good point.
[08:18:57] <cboos> unless there's a mistake in there, it means that you have both an action and a state name "needinfo_new"
[08:19:00] <cboos> which is confusing
[08:19:02] <retracile> Yep.
[08:19:24] <cboos> better have in this case something like:
[08:19:32] <cboos> needinfo_new = new -> info_needed
[08:19:48] <joel> i also can't seem to get my log to work.. here's my settings:
[08:19:50] <joel> [logging]
[08:19:51] <joel> log_file = d:/trac/trac.log
[08:19:53] <joel> log_level = DEBUG
[08:19:54] <joel> log_type = file
[08:20:04] <coderanger> joel: Make sure you restart Apache
[08:20:17] <joel> did that too..
[08:20:26] <retracile> cboos: same issue with needinfo...
[08:22:54] <retracile> cboos: Hrm... but then the action name "infoprovided" sounds more like a state... so I guess that should be "provideinfo"
[08:26:49] <kopernikus> quick question wrt workflow: Isn't the code agnostic wrt state,action names?
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[08:27:27] <retracile> kopernikus: For the most part. But we want the included examples to be as clear as possible.
[08:27:55] <retracile> "new" and "closed" are special
[08:28:22] <kopernikus> yes, but if the thing is generic, the overall priciple is very easy to explain with just the concept of state,action,transition.
[08:28:45] <kopernikus> ppl will come up with what they find useful anyway
[08:28:56] <kopernikus> ah, forgot permissions in the mix ;)
[08:29:08] <cboos> yeah, but as retracile said we need to setup some conventions...
[08:29:09] <retracile> And defaults...
[08:29:19] <cboos> like use verbs for actions
[08:29:28] <cboos> and past tense for states
[08:29:43] <kopernikus> sound reasonable ;)
[08:29:52] <retracile> Also, if we have some useful examples, people may be happy to use them as-is, or just make minor tweaks.
[08:30:36] <retracile> My hope is that hte opensource-workflow example will be usable as-is for most public Trac-run projects.
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[08:30:43] <kopernikus> why are "new" and "closed" special?
[08:31:03] <cboos> retracile: we should also have a "gas-factory-workflow"
[08:31:04] <retracile> I expect the enterprise-workflow example will be just the starting point, and reworked on a per-company basis.
[08:31:09] <kopernikus> It seems there are not "start" or "end" of a workflow
[08:31:12] <retracile> cboos: ?
[08:31:13] <cboos> with 20 states and 50 actions ;-)
[08:31:32] <retracile> heh. Have you looked at the graph for opensource-workflow?!
[08:31:40] <cboos> no not yet
[08:31:49] <retracile> kopernikus: Tickets are expected to start out in the "new" state.
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[08:32:06] <retracile> kopernikus: And tickets in the "closed" state have the strike-through.
[08:32:23] <retracile> So the two "endpoints" of the workflow are "new" and "closed"
[08:32:40] <Lucciano> hello, i am tring to install trac on ubuntu but i can install clear silver
[08:32:46] <kopernikus> hmm, the latter just happens to be a visual representation?
[08:32:59] <Lucciano> y never get the neo_cgi or the neo_util packages
[08:33:12] <retracile> kopernikus: at least. I haven't looked into all the cases that care about the "closed" state.
[08:35:43] <retracile> cboos: actions being verbs... need to change needinfo to "requestinfo"...
[08:36:16] <kopernikus> but why is it special (representation aside), "end of workflow" just means there is a state without transitions right?
[08:37:37] * kopernikus goes checking out workflow...
[08:37:51] <retracile> kopernikus: no, "closed" can be reopened..
[08:39:00] <retracile> kopernikus: We could add a config option to say "cross through tickets in these states"... but that's more than I want to deal with at the moment.
[08:40:01] <kopernikus> yea, that's another issue, I wonder if ticket representation could be tied to states...
[08:40:39] <retracile> Feel free to implement that... ;)
[08:40:57] <kopernikus> with css?
[08:41:26] <retracile> *shrug* I dunno...
[08:41:41] <kopernikus> and state.css = "closed_ticket"
[08:42:03] <kopernikus> closed.css = "closed_ticket"
[08:44:51] <retracile> cboos: Ok, the opensource and enterprise workflows have updated needinfo stuff.
[08:45:36] <joel> coderanger.. any thought on the WebAdmin issue?
[08:46:05] <coderanger> joel: Do you have anything in the log yet?
[08:46:33] <joel> no.. no log file is being created.
[08:46:53] <coderanger> Have you tried logging to the windows system log?
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[09:03:12] <joel> CR.. no errors in the system event viewer
[09:07:46] <coderanger> joel: But do you see it loading
[09:08:58] <alect> hello
[09:09:30] <retracile> Hey alect. :)
[09:10:19] <coderanger> alect: G'morning
[09:10:33] <joel> CR: no events being loaded.
[09:10:56] <retracile> cboos: Ok, I just committed an approach to adding operations from a plugin.
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[09:11:13] <cboos> ok, I'll take a look
[09:11:26] <retracile> cboos: it feels a little awkward at the moment. A operation base class may improve that.
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[09:16:20] <alect> i like that .ini format much better
[09:16:35] <retracile> alect: cool. :)
[09:17:32] <alect> these commands are a bit ugly though: "resolution_set"
[09:17:42] <joel> coderanger..you still there?
[09:17:43] <retracile> agreed.
[09:17:56] <coderanger> joel: Somewhat, I'm VNCing back to my desktop from class
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