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March 26, 2007

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[01:30:00] <didier> hi
[01:30:13] <coderanger> alo
[01:31:48] <didier> do you know if I can set "Comment about this change (optional):" on a wiki page obligatory ?
[01:32:23] <coderanger> You could make a quick plugin
[01:36:46] <didier> coderanger: so it's not an option :(
[01:36:57] <coderanger> Not out of the box
[01:37:04] <coderanger> it would be a ~10 line plugin
[01:37:12] <didier> coderanger: ok, thanks
[01:37:15] <coderanger> one sec
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[01:40:16] <Dwarfoo7> Hi all
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[01:41:41] <lisppaste5> coderanger pasted "Force comments" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/38712
[01:41:49] <Dwarfoo7> coderanger: about the TracForge plgin, is it normal that I can only login trough the master environement and if I try to login via a client env I get an error "Internal Error. Authentication information not available." ?
[01:41:55] <coderanger> didier: Totally untested, but enjoy
[01:42:43] <coderanger> Dwarfoo7: No
[01:42:53] <Dwarfoo7> hmpf
[01:43:04] <coderanger> Dwarfoo7: Try adding trac.web.auth.LoginModule = disabled
[01:43:10] <coderanger> in the client
[01:43:11] <Dwarfoo7> I did it
[01:43:17] <Dwarfoo7> I check again
[01:43:41] <coderanger> The Login link on the client should point to the master
[01:44:30] <Dwarfoo7> yes I have the trac.web.auth.LoginModule = disabled
[01:44:49] <coderanger> In the client, whats the URL for the Login link?
[01:45:11] <Dwarfoo7> http://link/to/client/login
[01:45:19] <coderanger> Thats wrong
[01:45:28] <Dwarfoo7> wht could be the reason ?
[01:46:05] <didier> coderanger: thanks, but I'm with 0.9.6 version and I can't find IWikiPageManipulator in the python files ... never minds, I will wait until I can install the 0.10.4
[01:46:21] <coderanger> didier: Ahh, yeah. In 0.9 you are SOL
[01:46:31] <coderanger> Dwarfoo7: Can you pastebin your trac.ini for the client
[01:46:37] <Dwarfoo7> ok
[01:46:44] <Dwarfoo7> only components or akk
[01:46:47] <Dwarfoo7> all
[01:47:54] <coderanger> all
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[04:12:14] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4274 (enhancement closed): IE7 display problems <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4274#comment:1>
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[04:42:27] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #2862 (defect closed): TypeError: iteration over non-sequence <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2862#comment:8> || Ticket #2416 (defect reopened): Trac internal error when parsing svn history <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2416#comment:14>
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[05:12:34] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #3286 (defect closed): ticket remove fails <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3286#comment:8>
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[05:37:24] <techie_> How to limit standalone Trac to listen to one network interface only?
[05:39:36] <coderanger> -b
[05:39:45] <coderanger> Just run tracd -?
[05:39:51] <coderanger> for an explanation of all the options
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[05:40:54] <dsch04> Afternoon
[05:41:11] <techie_> coderanger: Thanks. I was reading http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracStandalone
[05:41:23] <dsch04> Can anyone tell me where the initial reports are defined?
[05:41:34] <dsch04> I want to change the default reports for New Projects.
[05:41:46] <dsch04> i.e. modify a couple and add some new reports.
[05:41:47] <coderanger> dsch04: You can't easily, its in the code
[05:41:58] <dsch04> I know - anywhere in particular?
[05:42:11] <coderanger> dsch04: I would recommend you look at how the SiteWikiDefault plugin works, and modify it
[05:42:19] <coderanger> dsch04: It should be a trivial change
[05:42:26] <dsch04> OK, will look at that.
[05:42:31] <dsch04> Thx
[05:42:43] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [5143]: 0.10.4dev: ported r5142 (Repository.sync() doc fix, #5014) <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5143> || Changeset [5142]: Revised Repository.sync() API doc, see #5014. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5142> || Ticket #4469 (defect closed): A nested progress bar was not 'finished' correctly <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4469#comment:3>
[05:43:45] <dsch04> Is that on trac-hacks?
[05:43:57] <coderanger> Yes
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[05:54:00] <dsch04> Hmmm - go on, give me a clue... :
[05:54:33] * dsch04 knows little if any python and is not familiar with the internal workings of trac.
[05:54:58] <coderanger> one sec
[05:55:03] <dsch04> k
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[05:57:54] <techie_> coderanger: "tracd -h" is not fully correct. For binding it says to use -b HOSTNAME, --hostname=HOSTNAME but tracd also works with --host HOSTNAME
[05:58:47] <dsch04> Another question: some of my clients are not happy that they can lose changes if there is a "mid-air collision" when submitting ticket changes.
[05:58:56] <dsch04> Is there a way to prevent this?
[05:59:08] <coderanger> dsch04: There is an open ticket about it, at the moment the answer is "get a better browser"
[05:59:19] <dsch04> Huh?
[05:59:26] <dsch04> What ticket #?
[05:59:42] <coderanger> techie_: Thats not in the parser list, so it sounds like getopt is being smarter than expected
[05:59:44] <dsch04> I use Firefox2 - is that not a "good enough" browser?
[06:02:08] <coderanger> dsch04: http://trac-hacks.org/browser/sitewikidefaultplugin/0.10/sitewikidefault/api.py#L36 Change that block to load reports instead of wiki pages
[06:02:23] <coderanger> dsch04: There are greasemonkey scripts to save form data
[06:03:09] <dsch04> Is this #4100 ?
[06:03:44] <coderanger> Thats one of them
[06:03:58] <coderanger> there have been many tickets about it
[06:06:27] <dsch04> Looks like we get bitten because we use https
[06:06:57] <coderanger> yes, thats why you need browser-level enhancements
[06:07:12] <dsch04> I disagree
[06:07:48] <dsch04> That's shifting things into the browser.
[06:08:19] <coderanger> I'm not saying its the best solution, but thats the only one right now
[06:08:25] <dsch04> When I use a web app I expect that it manages my data safely and securely and doesn't rely on non-standard browser-level solutions.
[06:08:34] <dsch04> Ok, understand
[06:09:13] <dsch04> It's one of the major annoyances with Trac that I'd like to see fixed.
[06:09:26] <coderanger> free software, you get what you pay for ;-)
[06:09:36] <dsch04> Yeah yeah. :)
[06:12:08] <dsch04> Can you point me at the scripts you mentioned?
[06:12:18] <coderanger> which one?
[06:12:27] <dsch04> to save form data
[06:12:51] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracStandalone edited by techtonik <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracStandalone> || TracUsers edited by macke@yar.nu <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracUsers>
[06:13:24] <coderanger> A quick check on google finds http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/userscripts/auto_save_forms.user.js
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[06:18:41] <dsch04> Er, how would I implement that script?
[06:18:57] <coderanger> greasemonkey ...
[06:19:05] <coderanger> Its a Fx extension
[06:19:34] <dsch04> Also, Firefox has an option to "Remember what I enter in forms and the search bar" - is this something similar?
[06:19:49] <coderanger> Never used it, so no idea
[06:20:31] <dsch04> OK, I get it. Install greasemonkey which is a framework to allow you to customise Firefox behaviour using javascripts.
[06:20:41] <coderanger> Yes
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[06:41:20] <thomasvs> I did not quite follow the discussion - are you saying that there is a known bug that people can lose data they entered on a page if the trac site is using https and the user is going back in history ?
[06:42:40] <dsch04> If you are entering changes to a ticket, for example, and someone modifies the ticket while you're editing then trac detects the ticket has changed and doesn't apply the changes.
[06:43:03] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracModPython edited by nkantrowitz <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracModPython> || Ticket #2577 (defect closed): TracD (Windows): Trac URL not resolved after Login, Logout,, Settings Submit <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2577#comment:6> || Ticket #3442 (defect closed): High latency with tracd <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3442#comment:1>
[06:43:19] <dsch04> If you then use "back" to return to the edit page the form is reset, i.e. you lose your changes
[06:44:33] <thomasvs> and here I thought we were doing something special to trigger this
[06:44:47] <thomasvs> thanks for the pointer to the bug
[06:45:06] <thomasvs> I don't see why this is not more of a priority for trac - it is probably the biggest complaint I get from my developers
[06:45:27] <thomasvs> at the very least it could show you, in the page mentioning the conflict, the stuff you were trying to add, so you can cut and paste from it.
[06:45:38] <coderanger> thomasvs: Because time is very short for developers lately
[06:45:46] <thomasvs> coderanger: how come ?
[06:46:03] <coderanger> thomasvs: Because we all do this in our free time?
[06:46:05] <thomasvs> coderanger: too many commercial contracts on trac development stealing time ?
[06:46:15] <thomasvs> ah, you do ? I thought edgewall was doing commercial services around it
[06:46:45] <coderanger> thomasvs: No, edgewall was a two person consulting gig, and daniel hasn't been involved in Trac in a while
[06:46:52] <coderanger> Jonas is still around, but not often
[06:47:02] <thomasvs> hm, that's too bad
[06:47:12] <thomasvs> it sounds like that could mean trac is not going to evolve much in the future ?
[06:47:33] <coderanger> Nah, it just goes in waves it seems
[06:51:03] <coderanger> thomasvs: As I said earlier: Free software, you get what you pay for.
[06:51:19] <thomasvs> coderanger: yes, I fully understand, in the same boat
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[06:53:07] <TPABKA> re
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[06:57:53] <garrido> Hi all
[06:58:20] <garrido> i've got my tracforge working (thnx coderanger), now I want to understand how it should work
[06:58:28] <garrido> i have added anoter env in there
[06:59:11] <garrido> what now? i expected to see a list of projects, or being able to choose a particular project to post tickets to
[06:59:22] <garrido> maybe i'm missing something
[06:59:32] <coderanger> garrido: No, all the envs are seperate
[06:59:43] <coderanger> you file a ticket like you normally would
[07:01:14] <garrido> ok, the envs being separate is not a problem, but I need some way of getting users to reach the other envs, cause i'm running this as cgi so it just points at the main env
[07:01:31] <garrido> so right now http://domain goes to the main env
[07:01:58] <coderanger> You would need to make a second path that uses TRAC_ENV_PARENT_PATH
[07:02:27] <coderanger> Or use TRAC_ENV_PARENT_PATH at the root, but thats less convenient
[07:02:46] <coderanger> Just beware the CGI sucks as far as performance
[07:02:50] <garrido> and I would do that in http://domain/projects/index.cgi
[07:03:02] <garrido> or something like that
[07:04:02] <garrido> as for performance, there's nothing i can do about it, i can only use cgi or fcgi - but it's no big deal, these are very small projects
[07:07:24] <coderanger> yes
[07:08:01] <coderanger> I have been meaning to make a plugin in tracforge to do the listing and dispatching, but haven't gotten to it
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[07:11:20] <garrido> i can help you test that, if you get around to it
[07:12:38] <coderanger> Heh, maybe one of these days
[07:15:51] <garrido> ok, i've put a index.cgi and .htaccess in the second path, with export TRAC_ENV="$HOME/dev.garridovaz.com/trac_sites/jobs" and export TRAC_ENV_PARENT_PATH="$HOME/dev.garridovaz.com/trac_sites/garridovaz"
[07:16:24] <garrido> when i go to http://dev.garridovaz.com/trac_sites/jobs i get a 500 error
[07:17:38] <lisppaste5> garrido pasted "apache logs with 500 error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/38732
[07:18:41] <garrido> looks like it still looks for stuff at the root directory for the domain, not at TRAC_ENV ?
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[07:29:40] <sineer> hi everybody!
[07:30:02] <coderanger> garrido: You don't want both TRAC_ENV and T_E_P_P, just the parent one
[07:31:17] <sineer> say, I'm looking for a BTS that will complement TRAC here.. I would like one written in python... I got to replace trac ticket system (and keep trac for everythong else) because it doesn't support multiprojects yet and my boss want everything centralized (we have many projects, many trac sites...)
[07:33:57] <coderanger> BTS?
[07:35:11] <asmodai> bug tracking system
[07:35:41] <coderanger> Trac does support multiproject bug tracking via tracforge
[07:36:23] <sineer> coderanger, hi!.. well, I tought tracforge was in "re-thinking"
[07:36:32] <coderanger> sineer: Wrong tracforge
[07:36:32] <sineer> would tracforge work with .10.3 ?
[07:36:50] <coderanger> In about 30 seconds it will, need to fix an API change
[07:37:00] <sineer> oh.. eh ok :)
[07:37:12] <sineer> you want me to be your ginypig?
[07:37:42] <garrido> coderanger, no good... took out that line, I still get 500... same error, [Mon Mar 26 07:26:51 2007] [error] [client 201.47.78.91] Premature end of script headers: index.cgi[Mon Mar 26 07:26:51 2007] [error] [client 201.47.78.91] File does not exist: /home/garrido/dev.garridovaz.com/internal_error.html
[07:38:08] <coderanger> sineer: I've had many, garrido for example ;-)
[07:38:18] <garrido> :)
[07:38:44] <garrido> btw, i'm on 0.10.3 - would this be related?
[07:39:50] <coderanger> garrido: No, the issue I mentioned is specific to the ticket subscription system
[07:39:53] <sineer> excellent! garrido, does it works for you? :)
[07:40:30] <coderanger> garrido: I haven't ever setup a parent path install using CGI, so I'm not the best one to ask
[07:40:39] <garrido> well, I am trying to sort out some things yet, but I expect they are mostly related to apache config
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[07:42:04] <garrido> coderanger, ok, I think i need to check this with the webhost, I know they have some specific restrictions on cgi
[07:42:36] * garrido is dreaming about the day when he will have his own dedicated server in a data center somewhere
[07:42:41] <coderanger> garrido: As a quick check, change the PATH in the main .htaccess to a PARENT_PATH
[07:42:58] <coderanger> (and change the path)
[07:44:08] <sineer> coderanger, would your TracForge plugin works with the accountmanager plugin and be able to "link" trac sites that are on different servers (same lightty setup, different servers) ?
[07:45:07] <sineer> coderanger, do you have a test site that's running TracForge that I could look at ?
[07:45:10] <sineer> :)
[07:48:29] <coderanger> sineer: All the sites must be running on one machine
[07:49:28] <coderanger> It has to move a lot of data around, doing it between remote servers would add a level of complexity I don't want to handle yet
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[07:52:46] <coderanger> If by server you mean lighty's internal stuff, then sure, as long as they are all mutually accessible
[07:53:09] <coderanger> I suppose you could do silly stuff with NFS to link remote envs, but I haven't tried anything like that
[07:54:21] <coderanger> and no, there isn't a public test site
[07:55:11] <lisppaste5> garrido pasted "with TRAC_ENV_PARENT_DIR in main index.cgi set" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/38734
[07:55:41] <coderanger> garrido: You need to fix the path
[07:55:46] <coderanger> remove the last part of it
[07:56:09] <coderanger> TRAC_ENV_PARENT_DIR works the same way as SvnParentPath
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[07:59:13] <garrido> brb, lunchtime ;)
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[08:02:54] <sineer> coderanger, sorry, got pulled in a meeting for a sec. Thanks for your answers! I will consider trying it and doing the NFS trick... I will test it on a test server first :)
[08:04:37] <coderanger> Why do you have your envs on different machines?
[08:04:52] <sineer> load balancing
[08:05:16] <sineer> and they are all virtual servers..
[08:05:47] <sineer> also I had to because of storage needs for some projects, ie the Release server that have a huge ass repos
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[08:07:11] <coderanger> odd way to do it, but to each their own I suppose
[08:09:55] <sineer> I first decided on the repositories need... then realized that some repos like the Debian Baseline repos would also require some "services", ie www mirror for deb pkgs, buildbot master process, build process, .... so some repos have special needs => dedicated virtual server... Then I insist on having one trac per svn repos.. so that's why I have trac sites on 5-6 servers.
[08:27:42] <m_g> hm what's report {4] "assigned, active by owner" supposed to show? i have a list of tickets which have both, an owner and an assigned person but the report is empty
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[08:46:28] <joesb> Hi
[08:47:00] <sineer> hi joesb
[08:49:04] <joesb> How do I rename bug id? I wanted to increment all the bug id by 10 so that it matches external bug id of my company.
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[08:51:34] <coderanger> joesb: SQL UPDATE
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[08:53:16] <joesb> coderanger: What tables, are there more than one tables/foreign keys involved?
[08:54:47] <coderanger> joesb: ticket, ticket_change, ticket_custom
[08:54:53] <coderanger> Trac uses no foreign keys
[08:55:17] <joesb> alright, thanks.
[08:57:47] <m_g> anybody? :/
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[09:31:48] <retracile> m_g: the problem is that Trac's current workflow is.... confusing.
[09:32:12] <retracile> m_g: reassign a ticket, and it's in the "new" state. accept a ticket, and it's in the "assigned" state
[09:32:45] <retracile> m_g: "assigned, active by owner" will show those that have been accepted
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[09:33:31] <m_g> retracile, hmm but the report sql query says "WHERE status = 'assigned'" .. won't it be in the state as soon as somebody assigns a user to that ticket?
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[09:34:11] <coderanger> m_g: Just imagine that when it says "assigned", it means "accepted"
[09:34:13] <retracile> No, that's what I'm saying. The current workflow is.... confusing.
[09:34:28] <retracile> (to use a polite term)
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[09:35:54] <m_g> ahh
[09:36:01] <m_g> just saw what you mean
[09:36:16] <m_g> so when the ticket is assigned, the assigned user needs to 'accept' it before it shows up, right?
[09:36:40] <retracile> m_g: right
[09:37:02] <m_g> thanks :)
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[09:49:54] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #1892 (enhancement reopened): No feedback during "Indexing repository" phase of environment initialization <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1892#comment:7>
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[10:19:12] <cfedde> is there a way to automate ticket creation/update?
[10:19:24] <coderanger> yes
[10:19:30] <coderanger> There is a Python API for it
[10:19:41] <coderanger> and for remote access there is the XML RPC plugin
[10:20:06] <cfedde> cool! thanks.
[10:20:15] <cfedde> but not via trac-admin I take it.
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[10:20:38] <coderanger> No, trac-admin is just for administrative tasks, not general scripting
[10:21:26] <cfedde> very good. thanks.
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[11:10:01] <retracile> Urgh. Looks like python setup.py develop has ruined my ability to run tracd from the base system....
[11:10:22] <retracile> which means I've probably done something stupid.
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[11:17:51] <lisppaste5> retracile pasted "tracd failure" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/38749
[11:18:47] <retracile> I can't figure out where it's getting the Trac==0.11dev-r4965. I thought I'd removed that, and I can't find references to it anywhere.
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[11:20:37] <retracile> It appears that 0.10.x and 0.11 work completely differently when it comes to this stuff... so pointers as to what's what would be appreciated....
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[11:34:17] <cfedde> In the ticket table, what's the difference between severitiy and priority? In my database severity appears to be null for all tickets.
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