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April 02, 2007

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[00:25:26] <jhulten> coderanger: You on?
[00:26:18] <asmodai> wtf
[00:26:21] <asmodai> http://pythononplanes.com/
[00:27:00] <asmodai> That has to be an April 1st leftover
[00:30:49] <_techie> 0.10.4 has permanent troubles with releasing
[00:31:21] <idnar> asmodai: nah, it's been around for a while
[00:31:26] <_techie> Three bugs are actually the same unicode issue.
[00:31:42] <idnar> asmodai: it's a spoof, though
[00:45:52] <asmodai> yeah, saw that
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[00:54:38] <joatweb> hello!
[00:54:44] <joatweb> does trac have subversion too?
[00:56:40] <asmodai> eh?
[00:56:44] <asmodai> What do you mean?
[00:57:07] <joatweb> does it have a feature for subversion?
[00:58:14] <bagu> it has a sourcecode browser component that can brows an existing subversion repository, if that's what you mean
[00:59:56] <joatweb> thanks
[01:00:09] <joatweb> how do I setup that subversion repository?
[01:01:44] <asmodai> Just the normal way.
[01:01:50] <asmodai> Check the subversion documentation.
[01:13:55] <joatweb> cheers
[01:22:54] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5067 (defect closed): Failed to create environment. 'unicode' object has no attribute 'decode' <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5067#comment:5>
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[01:49:52] <joatweb> are there any alternatives to trac?
[01:49:59] <joatweb> it seems to complicated to install it
[01:52:54] <bagu> well.. try reading through the documentation *before* trying to install.. i found it super easy
[01:55:32] <joatweb> thanks bagu
[02:00:00] <bagu> trac is like installing any other web application, in my experience at least, there are a lot of tips for different kinds of deployment in the documentation
[02:00:43] <asmodai> too complicated?
[02:00:52] <asmodai> Takes about 10-15 minutes at most.
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[02:18:44] <Sebastian> Anyone else having spam issues with their Trac installations? Looks like spam bots learned how to self-register with Trac.
[02:23:15] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #3955 (enhancement closed): Timeline needs diff color legend when files shown <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3955#comment:1> || Ticket #3860 (defect closed): Snoopy (command logger) and Trac <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3860#comment:2> || Ticket #5070 (defect closed): Pressing back after reassigning ticket causes python error <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5070#comment:1> || Ticket #5017 (defect closed): Ticket Query grouped by owner causes error <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5017#comment:2>
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[02:53:26] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4161 (enhancement closed): New ticket w/attachment in 1 step <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4161#comment:2>
[02:53:29] <EvilGuru> How, should I ever need to, can I remove something I installed with easy_install
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[03:23:38] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5071 (defect created): Subversion version problem <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5071>
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[03:41:18] <mosez> hello
[03:41:50] <mosez> my trac is broken and i dont know why: http://nopaste.info/043dac0c98_nl.html
[03:42:48] <mosez> can somebody tell whats going wrong?
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[03:47:29] <ascii_> hi! in webadmin. what's the difference between milestones and version ?
[03:47:52] <idnar> milestones are things you are working towards
[03:47:58] <idnar> versions are versions of your project that have already been released
[03:48:19] <ascii_> i see now. thx
[03:55:46] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5071 (defect closed): Subversion version problem <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5071#comment:1>
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[04:25:54] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5073 (defect created): bug when removing a filter <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5073> || Ticket #2683 (defect closed): HTML for Report 6 (All Tickets By Milestone (Including Closed)) (and probably others) is excessively wasteful <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2683#comment:4> || Ticket #5072 (defect created): components aren't escaped correctly in query page <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5072>
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[04:41:49] <m_g> is it possible to change the "component" fields entries based on the user who is accessing the page using a plugin?
[04:47:20] <danderson> so, I'm looking at configuring trac permissions
[04:47:40] <danderson> does granting MILESTONE_ADMIN automatically grant the equivalent of the other MILESTONE_* perms?
[04:56:03] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5074 (defect created): Pound Sterling Symbol Crashes Trac <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5074> || Ticket #5073 (enhancement created): bug when removing a filter <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5073>
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[05:03:39] <bryanl> coderanger: where does this ChangesetMacro live? I searched and all I found is a link to an irc log where you mentioned it.
[05:03:41] <mosez> trac make me going crazy
[05:04:31] <danderson> bryanl: you checked on trac-hacks ?
[05:04:42] <bryanl> danderson: yeah couldn't find it on there either
[05:06:17] <mosez> i get always an 500 internal server error with following error messages on apache log: http://nopaste.info/043dac0c98_nl.html
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[05:08:17] <mosez> with trac-admin i get errors too.. i dont know why, afaik there were no changes on python or trac http://nopaste.info/0dd5a21b83.html
[05:12:25] <mosez> hrm... nobody can help me?
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[05:32:22] <mosez> trac on debian suxx
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[05:51:26] <mosez> grrr... python and trac suxx
[05:52:02] <danderson> insulting good software because you can't get it to work is not the best way to get help or sympathy.
[05:53:06] <mosez> danderson: i have changed nothing and now i doesnt work
[05:53:09] <danderson> from the error you're getting, looks like something has corrupted your trac installation. No idea what that might be, but missing methods in internal trac modules sounds like a debian packaging error.
[05:53:27] <mosez> its not a debian package
[05:53:38] <danderson> I have a 0.10.3 trac installed (manually, using distutils) on debian, and it works just fine.
[05:56:23] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #2236 (enhancement closed): Print ticket Description <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2236#comment:6>
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[06:01:48] <mosez> last week was everything ok, but now i get these errors
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[06:09:54] <_techie> Where is cboos?
[06:10:27] <coderanger> _techie: Physically? France
[06:10:45] <coderanger> bryanl: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/ChangeLogPlugin
[06:11:29] <coderanger> mosez: You have multiple versions of Trac conflicting
[06:11:42] <coderanger> nuke the python modules folder for Trac and reinstall
[06:12:02] <coderanger> Those errors mean it is picking up the code for 0.8
[06:12:20] <m_g> coderanger, do you have the answer? :) (question above)
[06:12:38] <_techie> Should I sent him a missile to wake up? =) I need somebody to enlighten me on the 0.10.4 - seems like this one is getting stale.
[06:12:49] <coderanger> m_g: Check back at the end of tuesday, it will be done then
[06:13:01] <coderanger> _techie: Whats the problem?
[06:13:16] <_techie> Release 0.10.4 =)
[06:13:36] <m_g> coderanger, oh.. 0.10.4 release with this feature included or what?
[06:14:01] <coderanger> m_g: No, plugin that will be done by then
[06:14:13] <mosez> coderanger: remove trac directory form site-packages?
[06:14:18] <coderanger> mosez: Yes
[06:14:24] <m_g> coderanger, cool! is there a page on trac-hacks for it yet?
[06:14:26] <mosez> coderanger: thx, i will try
[06:14:36] <coderanger> m_g: no, right now it only exists in my head
[06:15:05] <coderanger> m_g: But someone put out a bounty for me if it gets done by then since they need it for their company
[06:15:13] <_techie> coderanger: There are three issues including major bug with mysql and unicode what stops release on 0.10.4
[06:15:16] <danderson> some weirdness in trac 0.10.3.1 : giving the MILESTONE_ADMIN permission doesn't let you view the roadmap
[06:15:21] <danderson> you have to also grant MILESTONE_VIEW
[06:15:40] <m_g> coderanger, heh interesting, did the company name start with an e and end with a m?
[06:15:40] <danderson> that doesn't match the behavior of other *_ADMIN permissions, which automatically grant all other perms
[06:15:49] <danderson> is that a known issue that has been fixed?
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[06:15:59] <mosez> coderanger: thabk you very much... now it works fine...
[06:16:02] <mosez> cya
[06:16:05] <coderanger> m_g: No idea, I just know the guys IRC nick (outlaw)
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[06:17:45] <coderanger> danderson: Do you mean ROADMAP_VIEW
[06:18:11] <m_g> coderanger, i got a request from someone who also wants such a plugin (different users should be grouped into groups and based on that they can see components they are assigned to). if that comes close to what you want to code, i can forward him to you so that you can sell the plugin to them, don't think they want it exclusively
[06:18:40] <coderanger> yeah, thats the same request
[06:18:58] <danderson> oops
[06:19:01] <danderson> coderanger: yeah, sorry.
[06:19:01] <coderanger> I don't think any notion of selling was involved, just want to plugin done and available
[06:19:07] <danderson> ROADMAP_ADMIN and ROADMAP_VIEW.
[06:19:30] <coderanger> danderson: ROADMAP_ADMIN is a depecated alias for MILESTONE_ADMIN
[06:19:44] <coderanger> MILESTONE_ADMIN does indeed grant MILESTONE_*
[06:19:52] <m_g> heh ok, just in case it's a concidence and they are not the same people i'll just tell them you are going to code it soon
[06:20:05] <danderson> aha.
[06:21:08] <danderson> coderanger: okay, but trac 0.10.3.1 still requires ROADMAP_VIEW to get to the roadmap :)
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[06:21:21] <coderanger> danderson: Yep
[06:21:28] <coderanger> danderson: Thats by design
[06:22:08] <danderson> hmm. So, I'm confused: why would you get MILESTONE_ADMIN and not be allowed to view the roadmap?
[06:22:19] <danderson> (not that I mind granting an extra permission, I'm just trying to understand :)
[06:22:38] <coderanger> They are two different resources
[06:22:58] <danderson> aah, right. Got it.
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[06:23:22] <danderson> my mind hadn't made the connection. So the roadmap is like the source browser, it is a read-only resource. Whereas milestones are editable, hence the admin perm.
[06:24:25] <coderanger> You can also have the roadmap disabled but leave the milestone module
[06:25:30] <danderson> I see. Thanks for clarifying that.
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[06:34:24] <garrido> hi coderanger
[06:34:32] <coderanger> Alo
[06:34:35] <garrido> do you know anything about this: http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/1169
[06:34:47] <garrido> I'm getting the same here
[06:36:38] * asmodai pats coderanger
[06:37:14] <coderanger> garrido: Are you using Apache?
[06:37:19] <garrido> yep
[06:37:31] <coderanger> Chances are Apache intercepts that header
[06:37:44] <coderanger> pastebin your apache config
[06:37:51] <coderanger> (I do my testing on tracd though)
[06:38:05] <garrido> this is on a shared host, so I have no access to that :(
[06:38:35] <garrido> all I can do is mess with index.cgi, or .htaccess
[06:39:31] <coderanger> How do you have authentication setup? Just through acctmgr?
[06:40:00] <danderson> so, is there any doc on using trac directly from python, to eg. manipulate environment permissions?
[06:40:20] <danderson> (I'm working on a svn+trac project hosting thing, which would need to set permissions like that)
[06:40:34] <coderanger> danderson: Look over existing plugin code
[06:40:42] <coderanger> The APIs are pretty simple
[06:40:49] <garrido> coderanger, yes, acctmgr with htpasswd
[06:41:08] <garrido> the login form works fine through the browser
[06:41:09] <danderson> existing plugin code? I don't want to write a plugin. More like do trac-admin operations without the fork+exec
[06:41:58] <coderanger> garrido: I'll play with it when I get a chance, but you might want to ask in #apache
[06:42:15] <coderanger> danderson: trac-admin is a plugin for all intents and purposes ;-)
[06:42:26] <coderanger> i.e. it uses the same APIs
[06:42:26] <garrido> ok, thnx again coderanger
[06:42:38] * coderanger -> get car fixed
[06:43:38] <danderson> coderanger: ah, okay :-). Cheers.
[06:46:37] <_techie> Does anybody know if latest mod_python is compatible with python 2.4.4 ? It keeps crashing server.
[06:46:48] <_techie> And Trac as a result.
[06:48:03] <_techie> Should we make a separate bugreporting form or template to get users software version numbers?
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[07:21:52] <simmel> Is there an FLOOD setting to log_level? DEBUG isn't helping me.
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[07:24:50] <danderson> okay, if I want to develop a new plugin that completely takes over permission control from trac, where would I start looking?
[07:25:07] <danderson> I think that in the end it'll be simpler for me to just override the permission management with my own
[07:26:48] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracUsers edited by cboos <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracUsers>
[07:28:51] <simmel> http://pastie.textmate.org/51145 this is all I get from the trac log with DEBUG level.
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[07:30:09] <danderson> aha, found it.
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[07:56:58] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [5167]: More Genshi trunk compatibilty fixes (tickets, queries, reports). <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5167> || Changeset [5166]: WorkFlow: Bugfix from Pavel Kourochka for the selected options. (Thanks!) <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5166>
[08:03:04] <tsb> o.O http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracPygmentsPlugin how do you actually use this? I'm looking for the markers to start/end a codeblock
[08:03:14] <coderanger> _techie: Why not use "version"?
[08:03:21] <coderanger> tsb: {{{ }}}
[08:03:42] <tsb> coderanger: hrm, that's what I'm using, and it is enabled.
[08:04:15] <coderanger> tsb: {{{ \n #!python \n print 'hello world' \n }}}
[08:04:16] <coderanger> ?
[08:05:31] <tsb> coderanger: all on one line?
[08:05:47] <coderanger> No, the \n's are actual newlines
[08:06:07] <tsb> coderanger: right, gives nothing
[08:06:21] <coderanger> What do you see in the log
[08:06:34] <coderanger> It should at least give an error or a simple <pre> block
[08:07:23] <tsb> coderanger: http://rafb.net/p/WVJa5j31.html
[08:07:31] <tsb> coderanger: I get the block, it is just empty
[08:07:43] <tsb> Like an enpty quote
[08:07:52] <coderanger> Odd
[08:08:41] <danderson> sorry if this is a little offtopic; I'm trying to build a trac plugin, and I'd like the python setuptools to create an unpacked egg, to make testing easier. How do I tell it to do that?
[08:08:43] <coderanger> I would ping mitsuhiko about it
[08:08:59] <coderanger> danderson: Look at develop mode in setuptools manual
[08:09:08] <danderson> thanks.
[08:09:14] <coderanger> basically do python setup.py develop -md /usr/share/trac/plugins
[08:12:38] <asmodai> was Trac's repo browser inspired by SVN::Web or vice versa?
[08:12:42] <asmodai> http://svn.bestpractical.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi/bps
[08:12:46] <asmodai> this looks awfully familiar
[08:13:03] <danderson> asmodai: likely SVN::Web was inspired by trac
[08:13:19] <asmodai> danderson: What gave that away? :)
[08:13:22] <coderanger> asmodai: Check the dates in each repo ;-)
[08:13:30] <asmodai> coderanger: *grin*
[08:13:32] <danderson> asmodai: the fact that I'm an svn dev, and know some best practical folks
[08:13:42] <asmodai> danderson: Righto!
[08:13:49] <danderson> and that they started developing SVN::Web and other stuff way after trac was born :)
[08:13:51] <asmodai> danderson: Throw some peanuts at cmpilato ;)
[08:14:02] <danderson> heh. We do that all the time
[08:14:10] * asmodai should harass sussman some more in private
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[08:14:36] <asmodai> danderson: Not sure if I ever spoke to you before though. :)
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[08:15:09] <danderson> may have, can't remember
[08:15:21] <coderanger_> danderson: rooneg still doing svn dev stuff?
[08:15:35] <asmodai> coderanger: did we have anything for incident management yet with trac or is that more plugin/workflow?
[08:15:38] <danderson> I used to hang out on #trac a bit, but other than that I'm a fairly new dev. Couple of years.
[08:15:58] <asmodai> coderanger: Thought he did, not 100% sure.
[08:16:00] <coderanger_> asmodai: What do you mean?
[08:16:03] <danderson> coderanger_: as of a few months ago, yes. But I think he's now switching/switched jobs, so less time for svn
[08:16:13] <asmodai> coderanger_: Well, trac's emphasis at the moment is bug tracking
[08:16:22] <asmodai> coderanger_: not incident/trouble management
[08:16:26] <coderanger_> danderson: Gotta bug him to get back on lily, so much easier to pester people
[08:16:37] <danderson> aah, right I remember
[08:16:41] <danderson> he joined Joost
[08:17:15] <danderson> so he's now busy revolutionizing television on the interweb :)
[08:17:35] <asmodai> Sounds like YouTube to me.
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[08:19:26] <danderson> not really, but also kinda sorta.
[08:20:02] <asmodai> heh
[08:20:12] <asmodai> (for the record: I was joking)
[08:20:18] <danderson> :)
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[08:21:28] <coderanger_> asmodai: Well thats mostly a matter of naming, what features are you talking about specifically
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[08:27:33] <asmodai> coderanger_: Think ITIL incident management
[08:28:42] <coderanger_> asmodai: *shudder*
[08:30:21] <coderanger_> Yeah, for that would probably need workflow and a few other plugins (depending on disclosure levels)
[08:35:18] <jhulten> coderanger_: I started a patch to add edit, copy and delete support to PersonalReports. I have attached the patch to the ticket you created about affecting reports. It does not display (did I see something about trac-hacks having issues?) but you can download it. The issues I have now is that editing does not save (something with the href not passing properly to the edit form) and other users reports do not show up in a list (/preport
[08:35:23] <asmodai> >>>> djfiander notes that trac was, at one time a registered TM for a
[08:35:24] <asmodai> macro-processing language
[08:36:02] <coderanger_> jhulten: I saw, I haven't had a chance to look at it yet
[08:36:18] <danderson> have I already mentionned that trac's component system is awesome?
[08:36:31] <jhulten> Trac works a lot better than some for ITIL related control. You can't delete or change other users comments for starters.
[08:37:38] <jhulten> coderanger_: When ever you get a chance would be fine. I will work on the bugs again tomorrow. No time today.
[08:38:48] <jhulten> Thanks for the starting point on that hack. Would have taken me forever without your help.
[08:40:35] <coderanger_> jhulten: A lot of people consider that a bug ;-)
[08:46:29] <jhulten> coderanger_: A lot of people have never had to contend with SOX compliance.
[08:47:23] <coderanger_> A lot of us like it that way
[08:51:12] <jhulten> I am sure. I prefer smaller companies to big companies but even smaller companies want to grow up. For stock options to be worth anything you have to be able to handle the transition to a public company (which means being SOX compliant) or able to be sold to a larger fish (who will probably require SOX compliance).
[08:52:12] <jhulten> I know a lot of geeks that bail once things get 'corporate' and give up chances at the greater reward.
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[08:53:22] <jhulten> I just act as a guerilla behind the scenes preventing my company from becoming too corporate wherever I can. ;)
[08:53:58] <jhulten> Off to work.
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[08:57:15] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [5168]: More Genshi trunk compatibility fixes, this time in the repos browser. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5168>
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[09:06:28] <fre> Hi I have a Problem with the xmlmod of prelude-manager. Can someone help me?
[09:06:37] <coderanger_> fre: Wrong chan
[09:08:24] <fre> where should i look?
[09:09:26] <coderanger_> Not a clue
[09:09:33] <coderanger_> this is for the Trac project management software
[09:09:45] <coderanger_> You probably are look at a project that uses Trac
[09:10:38] <fre> thanks you
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[09:15:11] <pbx> Looking at my open tickets via the query viewer, one is in bold. Why might that be?
[09:15:29] <coderanger_> pbx: Changed since the last time you looked at the query
[09:15:55] <coderanger_> and italics means closed
[09:16:29] <pbx> Ah, cool. Thanks.
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[09:46:15] <JasonB87> hello
[09:46:50] <JasonB87> i'm in need of some help
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[09:47:33] <JasonB87> hello?
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[09:49:15] <kyle> JasonB87: just ask, if anybody's around they'll answer
[09:50:53] <JasonB87> kk
[09:51:21] <JasonB87> after installing subversion where's the rep directory...i know lame question
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[10:07:43] <dosh> Can I ask a newbie question?
[10:07:52] <coderanger> Never!
[10:08:04] <coderanger> We demand instant competence
[10:08:08] <coderanger> ;-)
[10:08:09] <dosh> Sweet.
[10:08:40] <dosh> instant competence acquired. so i don't use IRC that much and i'm totally new to colloquy. i'm in a channel with a couple of buddies and when my mouse goes over their names in the msg window, the names disappear
[10:08:57] <coderanger> This isn't for Colloquy
[10:09:09] <coderanger> Its for the Trac project management software, that Colloquy uses
[10:09:28] <cmlenz> goto #colloquy
[10:09:32] <dosh> okay. thx
[10:09:46] <dosh> oh, i see. thanks very much.
[10:10:17] <coderanger> cmlenz: Youre alive :)
[10:10:28] <cmlenz> yeah, and kicking :-D
[10:10:36] <simmel> Is there an FLOOD setting to log_level? DEBUG isn't helping me. http://pastie.textmate.org/51145 this is all I get from the trac log with DEBUG level.
[10:10:53] <simmel> (I get an 500 when I enter an report)
[10:10:55] <coderanger> simmel: What is your actual problem
[10:11:05] <coderanger> enter as in edit or as in view?
[10:11:51] <simmel> view
[10:11:54] <simmel> edit works fine.
[10:12:05] <simmel> And running the SQL query manually in Postgres works too.
[10:12:12] <coderanger> and is it with all reports or just one
[10:12:14] <simmel> It gives about 60 posts.
[10:12:18] <simmel> Just one.
[10:12:54] <coderanger> That looks custom, do the default reports work?
[10:13:51] <simmel> Yes, but "it worked before"
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[10:14:15] <coderanger> simmel: Anything in the webserver log
[10:14:17] <simmel> And I have no idea what I did to make it not work, I'm afraid (otherwise I wouldn't be here)
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[10:14:42] <simmel> coderanger It just says that trac.fcgi quitted unexpectedly or something like that.
[10:15:45] <coderanger> can you pastebin the SQL as it appears in the report
[10:20:54] <simmel> coderanger It's the same as in http://pastie.textmate.org/51145
[10:21:22] <coderanger> Youre sure no odd characters strayed in?
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[10:29:44] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [5169]: WorkFlow: Reinit svnmerge <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5169>
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[10:34:59] <simmel> coderanger Pretty much, but I will try to "clean" it tomorrow when I get to work. (I'm at home now)
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[10:50:23] <coderanger> alect: How would you feel about a plugin that makes previewing a new ticket on trac-hacks mandatory?
[10:51:01] <ascendvisual> hello—I'm a total noob to Trac and just had it installed on my server by a sysadmin dude along with subversion. is there anyone around that can fill me in on some beginner stuff like environment setup (how/why and if it might already be setup) and how to start getting my existing web app into it?
[10:51:20] <coderanger> Just to cut down on the 'I'm just going to paste this bug diff into a ticket and hit submit'
[10:51:37] <coderanger> ascendvisual: Well what do you have now
[10:53:32] <ascendvisual> coderanger: i'm developing a web app in CakePHP that I want to hook in through Trac
[10:53:48] <coderanger> Thats not possible
[10:53:53] <coderanger> Trac is written in Python
[10:55:05] <ascendvisual> coderanger: i mean i want to use trac to trac my app, that's not possible?
[10:55:12] <coderanger> Ahh
[10:55:20] <coderanger> I thought you meant extending trac using PHP
[10:55:40] <coderanger> Do you have the site running, or just installed?
[10:56:02] <ascendvisual> it's on my server and running, yes
[10:56:32] <Demian> hi
[10:56:39] <danderson> so, I've written a permission store plugin, and I can't get it to activate properly.
[10:57:06] <danderson> I've made an egg that implements IPermissionStore, with an egg entry point that points to the python module containing the component
[10:57:11] <coderanger> ascendvisual: Okay, just import your code into subversion and youre off
[10:57:20] <danderson> but it doesn't appear in the enabled plugins list in the trac instance
[10:57:28] <danderson> how can I