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April 04, 2007

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[01:38:25] <locus> hi, I'm running trac with apache(v2.2)+mod_python (python v2.4) and a svn (v1.4.2) bdb backend. The apache process seems to corrupt the dbd every now and then resulting in a trac error ("Berkeley DB error for filesystem '<svn_path>/db' while opening environment:..").
[01:39:16] <locus> if restart the apache daemon it works again...
[01:42:27] <locus> did anyone else experience such problems?
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[01:54:46] <alect> evening people!
[01:55:45] <asmodai> alect!
[01:56:19] <alect> yo :)
[01:56:24] <asmodai> alect: Sup dudE?
[01:58:16] <locus> looks like im not the only one, although this ticket is very old: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/93
[01:59:03] <alect> locus: i've not seen that particular error but switching to fsfs usually fixes svn problems like that
[01:59:49] * asmodai switches alect to fsfs
[01:59:51] <alect> asmodai: not a lot. just got home
[01:59:58] <alect> pfft!
[02:00:01] <asmodai> :D
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[02:00:14] <asmodai> Oh shhhh
[02:00:19] <asmodai> it's that blot guy again
[02:00:31] <locus> strange thing is that I run several trac installations and all others run without any probs...
[02:00:43] <locus> well I'll give fsfs a try I guess
[02:05:49] <asmodai> alect: ey dude?
[02:06:44] <asmodai> alect: What parts of trac need looking at?
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[02:08:58] <alect> open tickets are probably the best bet
[02:09:37] <asmodai> alect: k
[02:09:45] * asmodai goes to update the FastCGI docs first
[02:09:55] <alect> docs is the other thing
[02:09:57] <alect> funfun
[02:10:26] <asmodai> alect: They need updating.
[02:10:34] <asmodai> alect: Which is what I am doing now ;)
[02:12:30] <asmodai> Still, the cgi/fcgi scripts being in site-packages now makes things a bit sucky.
[02:13:07] <alect> maybe they should be in /usr/bin/trac.{f,}cgi
[02:13:45] <asmodai> these are my current configs
[02:13:53] <asmodai> "bin-path" => "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Trac-0.11dev_r5182-py2.5.egg/trac/web/fcgi_frontend.py",
[02:13:59] <asmodai> "/trac/chrome/common" => "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Trac-0.11dev_r5182-py2.5.egg/trac/htdocs",
[02:14:11] <asmodai> So you can see, a config change every new trunk install
[02:14:22] <asmodai> Not to mention god awful paths
[02:15:02] <alect> good lord that's ugly
[02:15:35] <asmodai> :D
[02:15:37] <alect> as a workaround, a wrapper script would take care of that for you
[02:15:48] <alect> for the bin-path at least
[02:15:53] <alect> not for the htdocs :\
[02:15:57] <asmodai> Sure, but the fcgi_frontend.py is already a wrapper script
[02:16:16] <alect> you should send a mail
[02:16:31] <alect> that doesn't negate what i said :)
[02:16:39] * asmodai grins
[02:25:58] <asmodai> alect: sent to -dev
[02:29:36] * asmodai sighs
[02:29:41] <asmodai> back to Bugzilla dependency hell
[02:29:51] * asmodai checks which open bugzilla2trac reports there were
[02:30:23] <asmodai> alect: btw: Google personal homepage themes ROCK!
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[03:01:50] <asmodai> alect: I have to give these guys an perfect 10 for marketing: http://www.songbirdnest.com/
[03:03:01] <alect> interesting, i've not seen that before
[03:03:03] <alect> is it commercial?
[03:03:06] <asmodai> nope
[03:04:03] <alect> i note they don't say "like firefox, it crashes at least once a day"
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[03:36:38] <asmodai> alect: Some days I don't crash firefox or hang it, other days are notorious
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[04:06:12] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5087 (enhancement created): CVS Plugin for Trac !! <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5087>
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[04:36:23] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5087 (enhancement closed): CVS Plugin for Trac !! <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5087#comment:1>
[04:42:45] <hackeron> hi, I'm trying to upload a file to my brand new trac installation, and it says "500 Internal Server Error (Maximum attachment size: 262144 bytes)" dispite me having 'max_size = 5242880' in trac.ini -- any ideas?
[04:52:58] <otaku42> hackeron: are you using apache + mod_python?
[04:53:35] <hackeron> otaku42: nope, cgi
[04:54:51] <otaku42> hackeron: hmm, ok, then the idea i had in mind is void :)
[04:55:10] <hackeron> what's the idea? :)
[04:55:25] <otaku42> hackeron: are you sure that your trac instance is using the exact trac.ini you did modify?
[04:55:36] <hackeron> otaku42: yep, absolutely
[04:55:46] <hackeron> otaku42: if I have a syntax error in trac.ini, trac throws a fit :)
[04:55:46] <otaku42> hackeron: it would have been: restart apache, so that trac reloads the configuration.
[04:55:58] <hackeron> otaku42: tried restarting apache, no help
[04:56:45] <otaku42> hackeron: could it be a typo in the configuration directive name?
[04:57:26] <hackeron> [attachment]
[04:57:27] <hackeron> max_size = 5242880
[04:57:31] <hackeron> can you see a typo?
[04:57:59] <otaku42> hackeron: nope
[04:58:07] <hackeron> the no typo :(
[04:58:38] <otaku42> hackeron: did you change the global trac.ini, or a local one?
[04:58:44] <hackeron> otaku42: local one
[04:59:09] <otaku42> hackeron: ok, that was my last idea. no clue, sorry.
[04:59:17] <hackeron> :(
[04:59:21] <hackeron> guess I'll file a bug
[05:07:03] <locus> hackeron, are sure you didn't modify max_preview_size instead of max_size?
[05:07:18] <hackeron> <12:48 hackeron> [attachment]
[05:07:18] <hackeron> <12:48 hackeron> max_size = 5242880
[05:07:19] <hackeron> <12:48 hackeron> can you see a typo?
[05:08:40] <locus> nope, looks good
[05:08:53] <hackeron> :(
[05:09:08] <hackeron> probably still a configuration issue, but filed a bug here: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5088
[05:09:43] <locus> well, adjusting max_size works without problems on my Trac 0.10.3dev installation
[05:10:09] <hackeron> I'm on 0.10.3 - latest on ubuntu
[05:19:01] <locus> what happens if you change any other .ini configuration variable...something like [project] name = ... ?
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[05:29:34] <hackeron> locus: hmm, where is the name supposed to show?
[05:31:59] <locus> in browser's title
[05:32:29] <hackeron> doesn't show
[05:34:26] <locus> what file are you edititing exactly?
[05:34:29] <hackeron> but the file is definitely being used, just the config seems to be ignored - if I add a syntax error, I get this:
[05:34:32] <hackeron> ParsingError: File contains parsing errors: /etc/trac/trac.ini [line 8]: 'this-is-a-syntax-error\n'
[05:34:45] <locus> hold on
[05:34:54] <locus> /etc/trac/trac.ini is the global config file
[05:35:18] <hackeron> oh?
[05:35:19] <locus> it gets overridden by config params in <path_to_trac>/conf/trac.ini
[05:35:28] <hackeron> I don't have another trac.ini
[05:35:39] <hackeron> the trac.ini in /etc/trac is the only trac.ini I have
[05:36:13] <hackeron> oh, actually, you're right
[05:36:18] <hackeron> trac created on in /var/lib/trac
[05:36:23] <hackeron> doh!
[05:36:27] <hackeron> I've been using dpkg -L trac
[05:36:43] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5088 (defect created): max_size under [attachment] ignored <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5088>
[05:37:53] <locus> your welcome ;)
[05:38:28] <hackeron> ok, closed ticket :)
[05:38:29] <locus> and dont forget to close the ticket ;)
[05:38:32] <locus> eheh
[05:42:59] <hackeron> trac is pretty nice :) - http://hackeron.dyndns.org/trac2
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[06:06:50] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5088 (defect closed): max_size under [attachment] ignored <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5088#comment:1>
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[06:15:37] <joel> Hi -- has anyone had problems with trac NOT logging you out? I have this issue on both IE and FF
[06:16:19] <alect> not logging you out, or when you log out then log back in it doesn't prompt for a password?
[06:16:41] <alect> the latter is a http auth "feature"
[06:17:05] <joel> no, it just keeps the login state.
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[06:17:50] <joel> i have to close the browser to re-log in
[06:17:59] <alect> heh
[06:21:28] <locus> joel, do you require apache authN for all trac locations or only for the login urls?
[06:22:02] <joel> use apache auth for initial login
[06:22:57] <locus> how does your apache <Location ..> directive look like?
[06:23:30] <joel> i'll paste it..one sec
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[06:25:29] <lisppaste5> joel pasted "login" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/39190
[06:27:42] <joel> locus, looks ok??
[06:27:59] <locus> first of all..the directive <Location "/trac/login"> is redundant...you dont need it since you already require authN on /trac
[06:29:10] <locus> its caused by what alect mentioned
[06:29:39] <locus> joel, what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
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[06:30:24] <joel> well, when the user hits "logout' - it should log them out.
[06:30:49] <joel> it currently keeps the usere loged in until the browser is closed.3
[06:32:14] <locus> well, but you dont allow unauthenticated access since you 'Require valid-user' on location /trac
[06:32:45] <locus> are you trying to log out and relogin with a different user without closing the browser?
[06:33:52] <locus> that wont work with apache authN...
[06:34:25] <joel> yes, what do i need to do so it will function?
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[06:39:56] <locus> joel, you might try http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TrueHttpLogoutPatch
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[06:48:39] <joel> trac-hacks is slow.. finally got to the page.. will check it out.
[06:51:06] <EvilGuru> How would I go about making my own table of contents block (like the TracGuide has)
[06:52:15] <nod> [[PageOutline]] plugin
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[06:57:16] <joel> totally didn't work -- caused the site to not let anyone log in.. After reflection, it's better if the users remain loged in to keep their status for tickets, etc.. and force them to log in again.
[06:58:05] <joel> (do you agree?)
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[07:06:27] <otavio> Hello
[07:06:54] <otavio> I've noticed that Trac 0.11dev isn't highlighting ruby files if them do not end with .rb
[07:07:08] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5084 (defect closed): "query" tag can't be used with parameter values containing spaces <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5084#comment:2>
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[07:12:36] <The_Tick> is that "Genshi <= r509" thing on the wiki?
[07:13:02] <The_Tick> me is trying to find it
[07:13:07] <The_Tick> ugh, /me
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[08:07:27] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5089 (defect created): 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0x96 in position 18: unexpected code byte <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5089>
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[08:37:35] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5090 (defect created): Error Method not implemented, POST ... <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5090> || Ticket #5089 (defect closed): 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0x96 in position 18: unexpected code byte <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5089#comment:1>
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[10:08:06] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #3921 (enhancement closed): [PATCH] Permissions - update sort + compact permissions display <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3921#comment:8>
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[10:12:25] <Henryx> hi all
[10:12:40] <coderanger> alo
[10:12:53] <Henryx> anyone uses Account Manager Plugin ?
[10:13:09] <coderanger> Indeed
[10:13:58] <Henryx> is it possible to remove (via configuration) delete user option?
[10:14:59] <coderanger> No
[10:15:21] <coderanger> Not without some code hacking anyway
[10:15:42] <Henryx> mmm... ok, thanks
[10:15:59] <coderanger> why?
[10:16:08] <coderanger> Just tell you admins to not delete accounts
[10:17:26] <Henryx> I admin myself :)
[10:18:08] <Henryx> because this plugin is a good method to permit users to change their passwords
[10:19:46] <coderanger> Any user can change their own password without admin access
[10:21:31] <Henryx> yes, but in "My account" page (added by Account Manager Plugin) user is able to remove itself from the system
[10:22:17] <Henryx> I must remove this option
[10:23:47] <coderanger> Why? Are you users really that dumb
[10:25:07] <misc> well....
[10:25:55] <misc> i have heard that someone on a french linux news website posted a story about "if you try to erase your account today, the system will not let you do it and show reason to not do it"
[10:26:10] <misc> and several users decided to try, and erased their account
[10:26:29] <misc> ( it was on 1st of april )
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[10:34:27] <Spanko> Trying to get Trac working on Dreamhost by following http://cactuswax.net/blog/articles/2006/07/installing-trac-on-dreamhost.html. When I "make install" for clearsilver (some dependency), I get: "usr/bin/install -c neo_cgi.so ; /usr/bin/install: too few arguments" etc (http://pastie.textmate.org/51681). Any ideas?
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[10:43:50] <kojiro> Does anyone have any thoughts on using Trac as an alternative to Sharepoint? Would it be too hard for nontechnical users?
[10:44:37] <misc> afaik, sharepoint can be integrated with word, so for non technical user
[10:46:48] <kojiro> I'm eternally optimistic about the trainability of nontechnical staff
[10:47:02] <kojiro> but I probably need to stifle that urge :/
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[11:11:54] <The_Tick> the word integration kinda sucks
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[11:35:34] <kojiro> The_Tick: I knew what he meant
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[11:42:34] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5086 (defect closed): Error occured during log-in <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5086#comment:1>
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[12:05:34] <Spanko> Trying to get Trac set up on Dreamhost. Seems I've managed to install a Python 2.3.5 and Clearsilver, but after installing Trac, running trac-admin gives me this: "ImportError: No module named trac.scripts.admin" Any ideas?
[12:05:49] <The_Tick> google for natmaster's howto
[12:05:52] <The_Tick> it's very specific
[12:05:55] <The_Tick> and very easy to follow
[12:06:01] <The_Tick> follow it exactly
[12:06:06] <The_Tick> be sure to use the .10.x one
[12:07:44] <Spanko> The_Tick: That's what I'm using :/ With this deviation: I installed my own Python because otherwise Clearsilver installation would fail. Could try again…
[12:08:03] <The_Tick> I've seen that with people who deviated
[12:10:14] <Spanko> The_Tick: :) Will try again, then.
[12:10:20] <Spanko> From this one: http://natmaster.com/articles/installing_trac_0.10.php
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[12:13:34] <The_Tick> right
[12:13:38] <The_Tick> I did the .9x one
[12:13:43] <Spanko> I assume {username} here is a placeholder that I should replace myself? Or do I leave it as is? PYTHON_SITE=`/home/{username}/packages/bin/python
[12:13:54] <The_Tick> username is a placeholder
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[12:15:22] <Spanko> So after that step, I get 'zsh: no such file or directory: /home/henrik/packages/bin/python' and then a bunch of output. Is that to be expected? Oh, and I put the env stuff in the beginning in .zshenv (and .bash_profile too, just in case).
[12:16:46] <Spanko> Right. This is where following that tutorial goes wrong. "make install" for clearsilver gives a bunch of output and then this: "/usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file `/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/neo_cgi.so': Permission denied"
[12:16:56] <The_Tick> cd ~
[12:17:00] <The_Tick> cd bin
[12:17:05] <The_Tick> ls python
[12:17:07] <The_Tick> oops
[12:17:12] <The_Tick> cd packages/bin
[12:17:26] <The_Tick> see if it's there
[12:17:44] <Spanko> Right. No python there.
[12:18:14] <Spanko> But the tutorial says "I found installing a local copy of python to be unnecessary, …" and never mentions installing it.
[12:18:16] <The_Tick> that's your problem
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[12:18:30] <The_Tick> either you'll use a custom python or you won't
[12:18:37] <The_Tick> I think I went with a custom python
[12:18:56] <Spanko> Right. That's what I was doing when I deviated a few mins ago ;)
[12:19:39] <Spanko> So http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Trac says to get Python 2.3.5 since 2.4 has issues with Trac. Still valid?
[12:20:07] <The_Tick> forget that wiki page
[12:20:10] <The_Tick> it's useless
[12:22:03] <Spanko> The_Tick: OK. Well, I got 2.3.5, "./configure --prefix=$HOME/packages", did "make". Got "INFO: Can't locate Tcl/Tk libs and/or headers", but I suppose that doesn't influence Trac.
[12:25:34] <The_Tick> do ./configure --help | grep -i tcl
[12:25:39] <The_Tick> and see if they have a no tcl option
[12:27:11] <Spanko> Now Clearsilver installed fine, it seems.
[12:27:14] <Spanko> The_Tick: Ah, OK.
[12:27:28] <Spanko> So I need to install my own Subversion, too? Huh.
[12:28:15] <Spanko> When installing swig, I suppose I should do "./configure --prefix=$HOME/packages --with-python=/home/myname/packages/bin/python" rather than /usr/bin/python ?
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[12:31:00] <whereami> I would like to get email notifications working, but I don't know of any smtp servers I can use on the network. What's the easiest to set up on my server? can I use sSMTP? It's installed, but I don't think it's set up correctly.
[12:31:30] <The_Tick> Spanko: I use the one from the panel
[12:32:39] <Spanko> The_Tick: Ah, yeah, so you never installed SVN from the tutorial?
[12:33:22] <Spanko> Bleh. As before, when I do "trac-admin" I get "ImportError: No module named trac.scripts.admin".
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[12:40:28] <matt_good> Spanko: you don't need to build most of the stuff on your own like the wiki tells you to
[12:41:14] <matt_good> my connection is being weird right now, but I'd recommend using virtualpython
[12:41:31] <Spanko> matt_good: Thanks. What do I need to build? It seems like I do need my own python (unlike what natmaster says), or installing clearsilver won't wokr.
[12:41:32] <Spanko> work
[12:41:51] <matt_good> it uses the system python, but it installs symlinks from your home dir so you can add any new packages
[12:43:12] <matt_good> http://peak.telecommunity.com/dist/virtual-python.py
[12:44:15] <matt_good> actually IIRC the Python 2.3 on Dreamhost has the required modules for Trac
[12:45:17] <zooko> Whee, I'm hacking trac and or the darcs plugin for trac to make current darcs work with current trac.
[12:47:29] <Spanko> matt_good: Thanks.
[12:47:50] <Spanko> matt_good: How would I check for the required modules?
[12:48:43] <Spanko> Hm, yeah, "import neo_cgi" works in /usr/bin/python, which I _think_ suggests clearsilver is working.
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[12:56:52] <The_Tick> matt_good: I believe it does
[12:57:11] <The_Tick> matt_good: we ended up fixing that authentication problem without going with the database option
[12:57:25] <The_Tick> it was some stupid line enabled in the components section of trac.ini
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[12:58:57] <oUtlaw-> question
[12:58:58] <oUtlaw-> in the timeline
[12:59:09] <oUtlaw-> if a user has the timeline view, they dont see any tickets... just wiki changes
[12:59:23] <The_Tick> make sure they have the ticket changes checkbox checked
[12:59:26] <oUtlaw-> i actually would prefer the timeline for regular users just show tickets, and not wiki changes
[12:59:33] <oUtlaw-> it doesnt even show
[12:59:38] <oUtlaw-> just has the wiki checkbox
[13:00:00] <whereami> oUtlaw-, make sure the user has TICKET_VIEW permission?
[13:00:10] <Spanko> With virtual Python, too, I only get "ImportError: No module named trac.scripts.admin" when I try trac-admin.
[13:00:11] <The_Tick> are these users logged in?
[13:00:11] <oUtlaw-> yeah - i see thetimline
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[13:00:17] <oUtlaw-> yeah
[13:00:34] <oUtlaw-> ohh wait
[13:00:37] <oUtlaw-> im using private tickets
[13:00:40] <oUtlaw-> i think that has a timeline feature
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[13:01:16] <oUtlaw-> ok
[13:01:18] <oUtlaw-> maybe not ;)
[13:01:21] <oUtlaw-> hmm
[13:01:23] <oUtlaw-> wierd
[13:01:31] <The_Tick> give the virtual user 'authenticated' these
[13:01:33] <The_Tick> (sec)
[13:01:35] <synic> for some reason {{{#!html}}} is trying to render the html, instead of display it highlighted
[13:01:42] <synic> #!python works
[13:01:52] <synic> leaving the #!html out works
[13:02:32] <The_Tick> grr
[13:02:35] <The_Tick> stupid firefox
[13:02:50] <oUtlaw-> wow
[13:02:52] <oUtlaw-> this is wierd
[13:03:04] <oUtlaw-> and timeline_view is the only permission for the timeline, right?
[13:03:37] <The_Tick> LionsMane: help
[13:03:41] <The_Tick> oops
[13:03:43] <The_Tick> lisppaste5: help
[13:03:44] <lisppaste5> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/trac and enter your paste.
[13:04:12] <lisppaste5> The_Tick pasted "anonymous perms" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/39218
[13:04:20] <The_Tick> give authenticated all of those
[13:04:23] <The_Tick> and see what happens
[13:04:31] <oUtlaw-> k
[13:05:19] <oUtlaw-> that did it
[13:05:25] <oUtlaw-> it needed the ticket_View permission
[13:05:36] <oUtlaw-> which the user didnt have because im using the private ticket plugin
[13:05:37] <oUtlaw-> thx
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[13:10:29] <nDuff> Can one change the available available ticket states (ie. ASSIGNED->VERIFYING->CLOSED as opposed to ASSIGNED->CLOSED)?
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[13:12:22] <LionsMane> What's up The_Tick?
[13:14:29] <The_Tick> mistyped your nick
[13:14:36] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: ErweiterteNetzwerkKonfiguration edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/ErweiterteNetzwerkKonfiguration> || ErweiterteNetzwerkKonfiguration edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/ErweiterteNetzwerkKonfiguration> || ErweiterteNetzwerkKonfiguration edited by cboos <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/ErweiterteNetzwerkKonfiguration> || Ticket #5091 (defect created): email problem!!!!!!!!!!! <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5091>
[13:14:46] <The_Tick> nDuff: you'll have to change the database manually in order to do that
[13:14:51] <The_Tick> it's in a table that starts with an e
[13:14:55] <The_Tick> I forget which it is
[13:15:47] <nDuff> it's possible without code changes? great!
[13:15:54] * nDuff gets into sqlite and pokes around
[13:19:30] <nDuff> referring to enum? I don't see it in there.
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[13:28:26] <nDuff> ahh; looks like what I want is http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WorkFlow
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[13:33:44] <The_Tick> nDuff: no, it's in enum
[13:33:46] <The_Tick> I forget where
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[13:40:27] <JDahl> Is there an easy way to use frames in the trac wiki pages?
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