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April 10, 2007

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[00:51:37] <nslater> Does anyone know of a way to have the Wiki "sourced" from the repository, so to speak?
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[00:55:33] <coderanger> nslater: "not really"
[00:55:50] <coderanger> You can use the IncludeMacro to include a file from the repo
[00:55:59] <coderanger> and have it processed as wiki text
[00:56:11] <coderanger> but you need to make each page as you add them to the repo
[00:56:26] <nslater> coderanger, yes - thanks for that plugin. Great work.
[00:56:30] * nslater smiles
[00:56:51] <nslater> I was kind of hoping it might be possible to do it recursively and just point at a directory in the repository.
[00:56:54] <coderanger> which? ;-)
[00:56:56] <nslater> How hard would that be to do?
[00:57:04] <coderanger> very
[00:57:16] <nslater> Really... NOT what I wanted to hear.
[00:57:33] <coderanger> The best way would probably be to make a post-commit hook that add/remove the include page on commit
[00:57:46] <coderanger> actually thats not that hard now that I think about it
[00:57:46] <nslater> Hmm... Okay. Well, thanks for the help.
[00:57:59] <nslater> Nah, I don't want a post-commit hook to do this... Gah.
[00:58:22] <nslater> That just *sounds* hackish.
[00:58:29] <coderanger> I have a concept to the do allow that, but I haven't coded it yet
[00:59:07] <nslater> Although... the more I think about it.
[00:59:32] <coderanger> wow, that was farther from English than I usually manage
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[00:59:55] <nslater> Heh, I wasn't going to say anything.
[01:00:12] <coderanger> The dangers of asking questions at 4AM :P
[01:00:17] <nslater> Oh, wow.
[01:00:19] <nslater> Yeah.
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[01:08:51] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5118 (defect created): Syntax error when using the AccountManagerPlugin <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5118>
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[01:28:04] <coderanger> nslater: http://dev.coderanger.net/src/tracwiki.py
[01:28:10] <coderanger> 185% untested
[01:29:56] <coderanger> but it should get ya started
[01:30:42] <nslater> Looking now...
[01:31:26] <nslater> Nice.
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[02:09:22] <Macca> is it possible to get rid of all the initial pages that get created when a project is initialized ?
[02:09:27] <Macca> http://projects.maccasoft.com.au/Bersirc/wiki/TitleIndex
[02:09:33] <Macca> all i really want is WikiStart
[02:09:39] <Macca> well really Wiki*
[02:11:10] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5118 (defect closed): Syntax error when using the AccountManagerPlugin <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5118#comment:1>
[02:19:03] <coderanger> Macca: Just delete them like any other page
[02:19:26] <coderanger> Remember that all the help links will lead to 404s though
[02:19:43] <coderanger> (or "make me" pages)
[02:41:22] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #3059 (defect closed): Assertion with environments which directory names contain hyphens or underscores. <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3059#comment:6>
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[03:11:31] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4003 (defect closed): Chinese Folder or the file inclued Chinese Characters access fail <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4003#comment:1> || Ticket #3907 (defect closed): /login broken with Apache mod_include <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3907#comment:3>
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[03:41:41] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4013 (task closed): Make trac use database namespaces or available equivalents <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4013#comment:7> || Ticket #4147 (defect closed): Problem with authentication on multiple projects under mod_python. <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4147#comment:2>
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[04:11:51] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5119 (enhancement created): zip source download link should support "current version" <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5119> || Ticket #4262 (defect closed): trac-devel Group on gmane does not remove the tag <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4262#comment:2> || Ticket #3733 (task closed): Please verify Gmane Tag Filtering functionality (mailinglist archive / nntp access) <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3733#comment:8> || newpage edited by Ilya_Sharin <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/newpage>
[04:15:51] <mooch> yo
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[04:41:58] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5120 (defect created): mysql_backend should parse parameters <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5120> || Ticket #4295 (enhancement closed): CORE - Provide a mechanism to use custom ini files <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4295#comment:13>
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[05:12:09] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4446 (enhancement closed): CORE - Implement Ability to Provide Trac "Products" (plugin bundles) <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4446#comment:1> || Ticket #4375 (defect closed): Login doesnt work <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4375#comment:5> || Ticket #4328 (defect closed): Unable to delete custom report <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4328#comment:2>
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[05:42:18] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4634 (defect closed): trac-admin does not work in bacth mode <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4634#comment:1>
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[06:12:28] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5121 (defect created): trac-admin tool stdout flush problem <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5121>
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[06:42:40] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #3577 (enhancement closed): support logout for Basic/Digest Authentication <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3577#comment:3> || Ticket #4921 (defect closed): Please Verify the Moderation Queue on trac-dev Group <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4921#comment:3> || Ticket #4889 (task closed): uploading files to admin. location <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4889#comment:2>
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[07:13:01] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5122 (enhancement closed): Add a difficulty field to tickets <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5122#comment:1> || Ticket #5122 (enhancement created): Add a difficulty field to tickets <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5122>
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[07:41:12] <vrcngtrx> code ranger, areyou there?
[07:50:05] <ErikRose> I have an H3 containing "...to this site". Trac was smart enough to prepend an "a" to make a valid anchor name: "a...tothissite". Bravo!
[07:50:25] <ErikRose> It's the little things. :-)
[07:50:46] <ErikRose> And yes, I am still planning on getting back to WikiwygPlugin.
[07:50:59] <ErikRose> But it'll probably use FckEditor instead, since the Moinmoin people have already done almost all the work necessary.
[07:51:12] <ErikRose> Moin's Fck adaptation supports macros and everything.
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[08:15:08] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5123 (defect created): cannot display source which ' ' tag in it <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5123> || Changeset [5191]: Genshi trunk compat: setup title template variable for internal errors <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5191>
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[08:45:19] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5065 (defect closed): authz isn't working when repository_dir isn't root <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5065#comment:1> || Changeset [5192]: Fix a few diff related template errors (see #5099) <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5192>
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[09:46:30] <slak> hi. how do i uninstall trac?
[09:46:40] <slak> i want to reinstall it via apt-get
[09:46:49] <slak> currently install via downloaded sources
[09:49:12] <ErikRose> slak: Just make sure you save anything you changed: trac.ini's, environment directories, etc.
[09:49:21] <slak> i hven changed anything
[09:49:28] <ErikRose> Do you have any existing environments?
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[09:53:19] <ErikRose> Anyway, if you don't, then just throw away what you have and do the "aptitude install trac".
[09:53:21] <ErikRose> It's a good package.
[09:53:26] <ErikRose> (in Etch, anyway)
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[10:07:27] <flazz> are there any issues with trac having multiple svn projects (like the whole repos)?
[10:09:02] <ErikRose> flazz: I'm not sure what you mean. There's certainly no problem having a bunch of Trac environments, each with its own svn repo.
[10:09:43] <flazz> one trac env, but not pointing to the project that trac manages, but to its parent
[10:10:17] * ErikRose tries to understand.
[10:10:27] <flazz> ok
[10:10:36] <flazz> say we have a repos with projects a,b,c
[10:10:40] <ErikRose> ok
[10:10:49] <flazz> and trac that manages 'a'
[10:10:52] <ErikRose> k
[10:11:14] <flazz> b and c are small insignificant projects but we want the source browser to let people see them
[10:11:28] <flazz> so we point trac at the root of the repos instead of just 'a'
[10:11:39] <flazz> so in browse source we see a, b, and c
[10:13:57] <ErikRose> Okay.
[10:14:11] <ErikRose> I see no problem so far.
[10:14:24] <ErikRose> You might say I do something like that.
[10:14:31] <ErikRose> (Depending how you construe it)
[10:14:59] <ErikRose> The downside is you'll see B and C's changes in the Timeline.
[10:15:13] <pacopablo> hmm, this is very disconcerting
[10:15:20] <ErikRose> What's up, paco?
[10:15:22] <ErikRose> :-)
[10:15:31] <pacopablo> the restrictedareaplugin doesn't seem to exist anymore on t-h.o
[10:15:41] <pacopablo> except it doesn't ever seem to have existed
[10:16:02] <pacopablo> except that the ChangeLog macro shows changes
[10:16:06] <ErikRose> I had a wiki page go missing on my site. Is it th epage that's missing?
[10:16:21] * ErikRose checks his ChangeLog
[10:16:52] <ErikRose> Oh, is the source code missing?
[10:16:58] <ErikRose> I see the page.
[10:17:02] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5081 (defect closed): Minimum priority order climbs <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5081#comment:1>
[10:17:03] <pacopablo> yeah, the code is gone
[10:17:08] <ErikRose> Eeek.
[10:17:41] <pacopablo> problem is that the repos isn't even at the rev that is listed in the Change log
[10:17:53] <pacopablo> alect: what did you do to your t-h.o repos?
[10:18:01] <ErikRose> Sounds like somebody did a questionable dump/reload.
[10:18:11] <pacopablo> very questionable
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[10:30:12] <pacopablo> woah, wtf? it's fixed now
[10:30:23] <pacopablo> and it's there
[10:30:33] * ErikRose boggles.
[10:30:37] <pacopablo> I wonder if I caught it during a resync
[10:30:45] <pacopablo> and the resync just takes a loooong time
[10:30:54] <ErikRose> COuld be.
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[10:37:19] <m4lu6> Would someone mind showing me what is the proper way of using pygments markup tags, [[php]], [[irc]], etc??
[10:37:26] <m4lu6> I can't seem to find any working examples.
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[10:47:54] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #2333 (defect closed): Control Expiration of the Auth Cookie <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2333#comment:2> || Ticket #1871 (defect closed): TracMultipleProjectsWindows - 3rd RewriteRule not reached? <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1871#comment:4>
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[11:04:34] <coderanger> m4lu6: The same way you use any processor block
[11:04:55] <coderanger> {{{ \n #!python \n print 'hello world' \n }}} \n
[11:09:34] <tag-> delivered
[11:09:35] <tag-> YES
[11:10:12] <tag-> #!c
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[11:18:02] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #3147 (defect closed): subversion problem <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3147#comment:3> || Ticket #2438 (defect closed): Safari and multiple trac projects with different authentication <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2438#comment:4>
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[11:21:56] <coderanger> Can someone with WIKI_DELETE please nuke http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/newpage
[11:24:37] <retracile> coderanger, I figure you'd know how to do this: I have a plugin with a page with an html form. Click the button, POSTs, everything's fine. But hitting refresh wants to repost the data. Do I do a redirect back to the same page or something?
[11:25:26] <coderanger> Yep
[11:25:38] <coderanger> Thats the general method used anyway
[11:25:47] <coderanger> at the end of the if req.method == 'POST:
[11:25:59] <coderanger> req.redirect(req.href.plugin())
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[11:27:02] <retracile> Great! I'll give that a try.
[11:27:42] <xmt> are there reliable trac/subversion/project hosting companies?
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[11:28:50] <xmt> got it: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/CommercialServices
[11:29:50] <coderanger> Not all of those are what I would "reliable" ;-)
[11:30:30] <xmt> coderanger, any recommendations?
[11:31:06] <coderanger> avoid tracos and host-projects
[11:31:14] <coderanger> both have had huge spam issues
[11:31:26] <xmt> coderanger, thanks a lot!
[11:34:31] <retracile> coderanger: Hm... it's still trying to repost the form data...
[11:35:05] <retracile> coderanger: does the new href have to be a different page than the one it's coming from or something?
[11:35:35] <coderanger> shouldn't be
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[11:37:47] <retracile> hrm...
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[11:41:22] <retracile> coderanger: If I make it redirect to a different URL, it doesn't try to repost, but if it redirects to the same URL as it came from, it does want to repost.
[11:41:39] <retracile> (This is 0.10)
[11:42:43] <coderanger> retracile: Maybe add a # to the end or something?
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[11:43:37] <retracile> coderanger: that works once, then you do a post from there and you hit the same issue. Well, if it's myplugin/# ... umm...
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[11:46:09] <retracile> Yeah, it works once....
[11:46:23] <retracile> I think I'm going to put a 2nd redirect in and see what happends.
[11:46:30] <retracile> s/happends/happens/
[11:48:08] <retracile> Ok, If I redirect to another url that redirects to the original one, it does what I want.
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[11:48:15] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4463 (defect closed): AssertionError: HDF dataset not available. Check your clearsilver installation <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4463#comment:3>
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[12:01:06] <seemant> does anyone know how to use the svn api to figure out the files that changed in a particular revision?
[12:01:11] <seemant> the python api
[12:03:26] <coderanger> seemant: Look at the Changeset object
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[12:03:54] <seemant> coderanger: thanks again :)
[12:05:34] <seemant> coderanger: perfect!
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[12:09:45] <seemant> coderanger: oh wait NotImplementedError
[12:10:06] <coderanger> seemant: How are you getting the changeset?
[12:11:12] <seemant> coderanger: well, that's what I'd like
[12:11:24] <seemant> coderanger: I'm just getting the repo, the revision number
[12:11:38] <coderanger> env.get_repository().get_changeset(1)
[12:12:21] <coderanger> or something similar
[12:12:21] <coderanger> env.get_repository(req.authname).get_changeset(1)
[12:25:07] <seemant> coderanger: you are my hero
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[12:47:45] <zooko> Is anyone interested in working on the trac darcs plugin?
[12:47:57] <zooko> I have it working up to a point.
[12:48:06] <zooko> The current thing that it doesn't do is show diffs.
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[12:51:25] <idnar> zooko: I'm sort of interested
[12:51:31] <idnar> zooko: are your changes so far available anywhere?
[12:58:40] <zooko> Just a minute...
[12:58:51] <zooko> Try http://zooko.com/repos/trac-darcs
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[13:10:06] <pacopablo> coderanger: have any brilliant ideas on how to use a ListOption for arbitrarily named ini values?
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[13:18:08] <pioto> is it possible to delete individual comments from a support ticket?
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[13:18:25] <pioto> we're having spam issues, even after requires users to be registered to submit tickets
[13:18:35] <pioto> *after requiring
[13:18:35] <pacopablo> pioto: look at the ticket delete plugin on trac-hacks.org
[13:18:54] <pioto> well, i can delete whole tickets with the trac-admin command....
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[13:19:16] <pacopablo> pioto: look at the ticketdelete plugin on trac-hacks.org
[13:19:18] <pacopablo> trust me
[13:19:23] <pioto> ok
[13:20:02] <retracile> and once you've tried it, thank coderanger. ;)
[13:20:07] <pacopablo> yeah
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[13:22:04] <bhuricha> I am pretty newbie at trac installation and dev, can someone please walk me through it?
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[13:22:52] <bhuricha> I followed the instruction on Trac but got some error since I don't have much experience on postgres
[13:23:03] <pacopablo> bhuricha: what are the errors?
[13:23:24] <bhuricha> i have some general question tho. like should i use SQLite or Postgress
[13:23:31] <pacopablo> bhuricha: depends
[13:23:33] <bhuricha> i just like to create development version of trac.
[13:23:43] <bhuricha> somthing that i can test my code on.
[13:23:54] <pacopablo> if you're not experienced with postgres, and you have a small number of developers, use sqlite
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[13:24:06] <[2ge]> hi all
[13:24:11] <pacopablo> jello
[13:24:13] <bhuricha> thanks, Pac.
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[13:24:43] <bhuricha> I plan to just be faimilar with the code base and how to admin trac at the minimal then hopefully move to MySQL once it is fully function.
[13:24:51] <ErikRose> Small scales quite big, btw. At least to a hit a second.
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[13:25:02] <[2ge]> I installed trac (first time user...), I had problems with rights, but now it works. 2nd problem I have is weird paths (css not displaying corectly) and so on
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[13:25:09] <[2ge]> you can check it at: http://trac.opensubtitles.org/
[13:25:37] <pacopablo> bhuricha: you'll want to avaoid MySQL and trac for the time being
[13:25:44] <ErikRose> bhuricha: Might I recommend Postgres if you don't have a particular affinity for MySQL already? It had much better concurrency when I last looked (2 years ago) and sees more testing with Trac than MySQL.
[13:25:45] <pacopablo> as MySQL is lame
[13:25:56] <bhuricha> oh..
[13:25:59] <bhuricha> good to know..
[13:26:28] <bhuricha> so what DB should I aim for? Postgres?
[13:26:37] <ErikRose> Ultimately, postgres.
[13:26:40] <pacopablo> bhuricha: for large installation, yes
[13:26:45] <ErikRose> SQLite is fine for a good while, though.
[13:26:58] <ErikRose> weblion.psu.edu still uses SQLite, and we move 40GB a month worth of Trac.
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[13:27:00] <bhuricha> yap I should start with SQLite.
[13:27:11] <[2ge]> I use SQLite :)
[13:27:23] <pacopablo> [2ge]: my guess is that you're apache config is a bit off, or your base_url isn't set properly
[13:27:31] <ErikRose> 39GB of which is Googlebot. I wonder if we could do something with the Cache headers....
[13:27:42] <[2ge]> pacopablo I use light httpd
[13:27:57] <pacopablo> [2ge]: well, still, your web server config
[13:28:00] <ErikRose> (No need to spider the old revisions over and over)
[13:28:47] <pacopablo> it can't access
[13:28:55] <pacopablo> er, http://trac.opensubtitles.org/css/trac.css
[13:29:07] <pacopablo> which means that you've set your base_url, correct?
[13:29:45] <coderanger_> pacopablo: http://trac-hacks.org/browser/tracforgeplugin/0.10/tracforge/subscriptions/config.py
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[13:30:11] <[2ge]> pacopablo http://www.pastebin.sk/en/1291/
[13:30:13] <pacopablo> I don't bother with lighttpd, so you'll have to ask someone else, but basically that path should be handled by trac, or point to the htdocs dir of the trac installation
[13:30:27] <pacopablo> coderanger_: I knew you'd have something, thanks ;)
[13:30:51] <coderanger_> pacopablo: Won't work with IniAdmin very well though
[13:30:59] <bhuricha> ah then can you please suggest what would be great Trac configuration for Dev? Would this configuration be resonable Trac + SQLite + Apache2
[13:30:59] <pacopablo> oh well
[13:31:12] <pacopablo> bhuricha: that's the most common
[13:31:18] <bhuricha> I started from Debian's package installer
[13:31:22] <bhuricha> everything is default
[13:31:43] <bhuricha> dont' even have anything on apache2/httpd.conf
[13:32:05] <[2ge]> pacopablo ok, I will ask someone else. I think '"/" => (' is wrong here
[13:32:10] <bhuricha> let me try to follow instruction again.
[13:32:15] <[2ge]> but I dont know what to put there. I tried "" too
[13:32:24] <pacopablo> bhuricha: look at the installation instructions, there are sample apache configs for mod_python, fastcgi, or cgi there
[13:32:30] <bhuricha> I am also trying to create instruction for newbie like me :P
[13:32:38] <bhuricha> alright ty.
[13:32:45] <pacopablo> [2ge]: definitely a lighttpd question, any one else want to take a shot?
[13:32:48] <ErikRose> bhuricha: I use Trac on Debian with apache2.
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[13:33:09] <slak> hei
[13:33:15] <slak> anyone get this on trac-admin initenv command
[13:33:16] <slak> Failed to create environment. (1071, 'Specified key was too long; max key length is 1000 bytes')
[13:33:25] <slak> i know it was reported a s abug
[13:33:34] <bhuricha> Erik: Do you have any advice before I jump in? ^^
[13:33:35] <[2ge]> pacopablo http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracFastCgi here they are using server.tld/trac so it should work...
[13:33:37] <slak> the bug report says its fixed in the new source
[13:33:44] <slak> im using the latest.
[13:33:47] <[2ge]> ok, I will ask in lighttpd forum. thank you!
[13:33:48] <slak> anyone know a solution?
[13:33:57] <ErikRose> bhuricha: Just that if it seems hard, you should ask. It shouldn't be that hard.
[13:34:01] <slak> using mysql.
[13:34:03] <pacopablo> slak: don't use mysql
[13:34:09] <ErikRose> bhuricha: Also, I used FastCGI, for what it's worth.
[13:34:11] <slak> how come
[13:34:16] <pacopablo> it can't support arbitrary length indexes
[13:34:20] <ErikRose> bhuricha: The Debian FastCGI package is fine.
[13:34:22] <bhuricha> so no Mod_python then?
[13:34:26] <pacopablo> and hence it borks
[13:34:38] <ErikRose> bhuricha: I am afraid of mod_python, mod_perl, o